I lived in Marion during the sixties, what a rail mecca...this is a great trip down memory lane, so much of this gone now. I miss EL.....thanks for the video.
Thanks so much for this great historical video. I grew up in the 1960s and first part of the 1970s, as a railroad buff, and I thought trains were so much more interesting back then compared to today. And the beautiful and diverse passenger cars, I rode many as a kid and young adult. And I also was a big train watcher, not so today. Thanks also for just having no music in the background and just the sound of the projector. Your video evoked many memories, thanks again!
A very nice historical video of the railroads in Marion from the 1960’s! It is very interesting to see a good variety of motive power and paint schemes, especially the GP30s for motive power, which are my favorite diesel/EMD locomotives of all time, plus the NYC paint schemes, whether it is the Lightning Stripe paint scheme from the 1950’s, or the Cigar Herald paint scheme from the 1960’s, and the N&W navy blue & gold/hamburger logo paint scheme! Even though I was born in the late 1990’s, it is still very cool to see what railroads were like long before my time. Awesome! 😎🚂
One of the things that I enjoy most about these vintage videos is that they were recorded in a time in history where most people respected private and public property and did not think they had the right to deface property…in other words…no graffiti!!
Btw…if spray painting vulgar or anti-American messages on railcars, walls, bridges while your fatherless children live on food stamps is indicative of “our” culture, God help us.
That NYC/PC move backing up at 24:22 would likely be one of the 2 Marion switch jobs that worked out of Galion. One was called in the very late evening/early morning, and the other returned in the early afternoon.
To me, this is priceless. So very glad you posted this bit of history. My Grandfather worked for Pennsylvania and Father and Uncle with Erie Lackawanna.. great to see all the different box car names rolling through!
Incredible film, I love what you are able to bring us. I enjoy seeing these classic recordings from areas around my home town of Toledo. Marion still is a hot spot. I was born in 1975 so seeing these films and the old facilities and lines that are now pulled up is really awesome. Thank You again and as of this time I am entering this....Happy New Year to you All!
My grandfather worked for the Erie railroad his whole working life after his time in the Army during WW2. He worked in the Marion area, so this is really cool seeing what this part of Marion looked like back then. It looks WAY different today! I grew up on the West side of Marion during the late 80s and into the 90s. It's crazy how vastly different this side of Marion looked.
For those not in the know, at :14 the track to the left under the NYC GPs is the long gone Dayton, OHIO branch of the ERIE(EL). This line(that is parts of it) made it a few years into CR and(the switch here) was torn out in the early 90s. A few miles remain around Springfield and a small section is used to access the Honda plant Marysville. A shame that EL could not develop the branch into something more useful, with trackage rights to Cincy(and Indy) being ignored. What a waste.
The dates of this film vary from probably late Summer 1964 to late Spring/early Summer 1968 at the end. I'm not that familiar with EL power but those new GP 35s were probably less than a month old as clean as they were, so whenever they were delivered is about when that was shot. The vehicles on the auto racks in the distance looked to be Chrysler products from the 1965 model year, as do the Lincoln Continentals with suicide doors. About the EL "Lake Cities", near the end of service the sleeper came off Westbound at Youngstown to turn for the Eastbound that night, and the diner/lounge turned at Huntington, Indiana for that evening's Eastbound. Only the coaches went all the way to Chicago. So while the sleeping car porter got some sleep during the day in Youngstown, it looks like the dining car crew was up and on duty until they finished dinner on the return trip that night. I had a chance to ride that train as a child a couple of times out of Akron, on outings with the Akron Railroad Club in the last year or so of service. They ran a class food service operation up to the end.
The BAR geep on the Pennsy must have been before October 1964, since that's when the sale of the Sandusky Branch from the PRR to the N&W was completed. Also, I presume the "LBJ" on the two cars in the opening shot were scrawled on there by a Lyndon Johnson supporter. He was running for president then and won the election in November of 1964. Don't blame me, I was only 7 years old. I would have pulled the lever for Goldwater.
Most diesel models I believe are on the mark, but some harder to identity, i.e. Alco road models and EMD switcher models. Any corrections with this or anything in the list appreciated. Time RR Consist Caboose Unique Railcars and Scenery ------ ----- ------------ -------------- ---------------------------------------------- 0:12 NYC GP9 Long Hood Likely Train #316 - mail train - Indianapolis to Cleveland [Railroad Media Archive] 0:49 NYC Caboose (L&N) 1:00 EL F7 Caboose (C&O) Train #5 - "Lake Cities" or "World's Fair" (renamed during '64 World's Fair in NYC) [Railroad Media Archive] 1:45 EL SW? / F7 / F7 / F7 2:15 C&O GP35 / GP30 / GP35 Caboose TOFCs, Monon, SP, CN, NYC, State of Main Products Boxcars 3:13 PRR Bangor & Aroostok GP40 3:47 NYC F7 Caboose L&N, Rock Island, NYC Boxcars 4:09 EL C425 Caboose Rio Grande, MILW Boxcars 4:38 N&W Caboose 4:46 C&O GP30 Open Autoracks 5:16 NYC GP9 Long Hood Caboose C&EI Boxcars 5:41 N&W GP30 Long Hood Caboose 6:08 EL GP35 WM Boxcars 6:22 EL GP7 Long Hood NYC Boxcars 6:42 EL F7 Passenger train with AC Tower in background 7:30 C&O GP7 Caboose 7:40 EL GP35 7:58 EL GP35 Brakeman at switch 8:33 EL GP35 Coaling tower in background 8:44 EL GP35 Caboose B&O Boxcars 9:26 EL RS? / F7 AC Tower in background 9:55 EL GP35 / F7 10:08 EL F7 10:31 C&O GP35 Caboose 10:47 NYC F7 Caboose L&N, RIRR, NYC Boxcars 12:03 NYC GP9 Short clips of SD7, AC Tower, and semaphore signals working 12:26 EL SW? 12:37 EL C425 Caboose C&NW, NP, ICRR, Ann Arbor, PRR, EL, SOU Boxcars, Fruit Growers Express Fridge Car 13:15 PRR RS? Caboose 13:32 NYC FA? Several nice late afternoon shots with AC Tower, bridge signals, passenger depot, and trains against sunset 13:53 NYC FA? Another late afternoon shot with passenger depot and train heading toward sunset 14:11 NYC SW? Location west of Marion on Route 95 [Railroad Media Archive] 14:35 NYC C425 Caboose L&N Boxcars. Switcher leading consist. 14:49 EL C425 Shot taken from AC Tower. Odd looking passenger car*, TOFCs 15:17 NYC GP9 Long Hood 15:28 PRR GP35 / F7 E Caboose PRR kept getting trackage rights after N&W ownership began [Railroad Media Archive]. Fairbanks Morse Switcher DPU*, PRR, Soo Line, Cotton Belt, CP, L&N, SOU Boxcars 16:20 PRR GP7 / GP35 Caboose (N&W) Alloy Cast Steel steel mill in the background. DT&I Jumbo 17:06 PRR GP7 Caboose (N&W) Virginian, N&W Hoppers, Wabash Hopper, US Army tanks OFC, Autoracks, L&N Jumbo 18:40 C&O GP30 / GP9 / GP35 Caboose C&O Coal Hoppers 18:57 N&W SW? 19:18 Building Shot of nearby factory 19:30 NYC F7 / GP9 / GP9 / GP9 19:44 NYC GP30 / F7 / F7 / F7 Caboose NYC Jumbo 20:06 PRR F7 E / F7 Cab / F7 Cab B&O Gondola 20:16 C&O SD18 / SD18 / SD35 Caboose N&W Hoppers 20:48 Building Closeup shot of AC Tower with workers on steps 20:57 EL F7 / F7 Cab / F7 Caboose Burt Tower [Railroad Media Archive]. DT&I Hopper 21:29 N&W GP9 / GP7 / GP7 / GP9 Caboose N&W and L&N Coal Hoppers 21:59 EL C425 / C425 / C425 Caboose B&M Jumbo, NYC, KCS, PRR Boxcars 22:36 Various Short collage, last clips feature Brakeman's shack and AC Tower and CPL signal 22:59 C&O GP9 / GP9 / SD18 Caboose N&W and L&N Coal Hoppers. Opposing train - CN, Santa Fe, NYC, SP, Great Northern, B&O, Open Autorack (look like Ford Mustangs), C&O Caboose 24:19 NYC GP9 with Penn Central placard NYC Caboose with train crew on porch. EL, PRR, SOU, NP, RI Boxcars, Potacan Hopper 24:55 EL SW 25:11 N&W GP7 Caboose N&W Jumbo 25:38 NYC C425 / C425 / F7 Over the road train
I'm curious about the yard engine moving the head end power of No.5. Perhaps this was part of the move adding/removing the diner? Quite abit of this footage was used in the first volume of Vignettes of the Erie Lackawanna.
Sadly, the cameraman cut the shot just as the Alco PA came into view, in both the arrival scene and the clip of the switcher pulling the locomotive consist from the train.
Interesting because I was just through Marion a few days ago to visit family and then on the way back home we stopped at the Buckeye Express Diner in Bellville.
I love these old diesel locomotives. However, it does look like some of the track is not in the best condition at Marion back then. How about the exposed car carriers?
Is it my imagination, or are the EL trains departing the yard moving at an excessive speed through the plant? Also, another question, did the NYC/PC and EL share tracakage since their lines ran paralell northwest of Marion?
@@richardburdick9430 I was told the speed limit on the diamonds was 30 as late as the 1960s. Yes on trackage rights from Marion to Galion. One track was NYC>PC owned, the other Erie>EL, but each other's trains used both tracks.
@@RailroadMediaArchive Thanks for the quick reply. I was under the impression that any train departing a yard had to adhere to yard limit speeds until the rear of the train was clear of the yard. I will acknowledge though, it is impossible for an observer like me to know where the yard limit is.
@@ThatKentonRailfan Don't count on it. With the proximity of hotspots like Marion, Lima and Toledo, Kenton was not a destination for photographers and railfans who wanted the most out of a day out.
''The Penn Central Transportation Company, commonly abbreviated to Penn Central, was an American class I railroad that operated from 1968 to 1976. Penn Central combined three traditional corporate rivals (the Pennsylvania, New York Central and the New York, New Haven and Hartford railroads), all united by large-scale service into the New York metropolitan area and (to a lesser extent) New England and Chicago. The new company failed barely two years after formation, the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history at the time.''
Notice the 2 Army tanks at 18:00, probably from the Lima Tank Plant...
I lived in Marion during the sixties, what a rail mecca...this is a great trip down memory lane, so much of this gone now. I miss EL.....thanks for the video.
@@EL-sp5zi You lucky devil!😄 All that old motive power, AC Tower, Alco switchers everywhere...Mecca is right!
Thanks so much for this great historical video. I grew up in the 1960s and first part of the 1970s, as a railroad buff, and I thought trains were so much more interesting back then compared to today. And the beautiful and diverse passenger cars, I rode many as a kid and young adult. And I also was a big train watcher, not so today. Thanks also for just having no music in the background and just the sound of the projector. Your video evoked many memories, thanks again!
Except for heritage units today's trains are boring.
A very nice historical video of the railroads in Marion from the 1960’s! It is very interesting to see a good variety of motive power and paint schemes, especially the GP30s for motive power, which are my favorite diesel/EMD locomotives of all time, plus the NYC paint schemes, whether it is the Lightning Stripe paint scheme from the 1950’s, or the Cigar Herald paint scheme from the 1960’s, and the N&W navy blue & gold/hamburger logo paint scheme! Even though I was born in the late 1990’s, it is still very cool to see what railroads were like long before my time. Awesome! 😎🚂
One of the things that I enjoy most about these vintage videos is that they were recorded in a time in history where most people respected private and public property and did not think they had the right to deface property…in other words…no graffiti!!
Literally graffiti on the first NYC train, lol
Or is that just 'nostalgia'?
Not sure what you’re so hyped up about, graffiti is a wonderful expression of culture and art
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Btw…if spray painting vulgar or anti-American messages on railcars, walls, bridges while your fatherless children live on food stamps is indicative of “our” culture, God help us.
I always think of that. I hate graffiti on the modern freight cars.
Sweet video. Nice to see those brand new Erie Lackawanna GP35s at 8:30. Great footage as always. Thank you!
I love all the mis-matched motive power, too. I'm sorry the ALCO PA on he Lake Cities got cut off.
That NYC/PC move backing up at 24:22 would likely be one of the 2 Marion switch jobs that worked out of Galion. One was called in the very late evening/early morning, and the other returned in the early afternoon.
Great post 👍👍,80 yrs old raailfan in MN 🥶
Super film. I love it.
To me, this is priceless. So very glad you posted this bit of history. My Grandfather worked for Pennsylvania and Father and Uncle with Erie Lackawanna.. great to see all the different box car names rolling through!
Incredible film, I love what you are able to bring us. I enjoy seeing these classic recordings from areas around my home town of Toledo. Marion still is a hot spot. I was born in 1975 so seeing these films and the old facilities and lines that are now pulled up is really awesome. Thank You again and as of this time I am entering this....Happy New Year to you All!
My grandfather worked for the Erie railroad his whole working life after his time in the Army during WW2. He worked in the Marion area, so this is really cool seeing what this part of Marion looked like back then. It looks WAY different today! I grew up on the West side of Marion during the late 80s and into the 90s. It's crazy how vastly different this side of Marion looked.
Thank you for sharing. Very much enjoyed👍
Fascinating. Wish we could see railroading like this again. Love the 59 Impala Convertible at 16:00!
If I would have such a car, I would always parked the rear to the front. Not much cars have a better backside than this one!
@@Keikdv I've always loved 59s. You can't touch one today unless you sell your house.
Thanks for video!
For those not in the know, at :14 the track to the left under the NYC GPs is the long gone Dayton, OHIO branch of the ERIE(EL).
This line(that is parts of it) made it a few years into CR and(the switch here) was torn out in the early 90s.
A few miles remain around Springfield and a small section is used to access the Honda plant Marysville.
A shame that EL could not develop the branch into something more useful, with trackage rights to Cincy(and Indy) being ignored. What a waste.
The line you reference here would have been former Erie.
At 2:16, the C&O is sporting the new paint skeam from Chesapeake and Ohio to the new C&O in 1968 on the sides of their Diesels.
Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing.
Outstanding
Awesome scenes... sans graffiti!
The dates of this film vary from probably late Summer 1964 to late Spring/early Summer 1968 at the end. I'm not that familiar with EL power but those new GP 35s were probably less than a month old as clean as they were, so whenever they were delivered is about when that was shot. The vehicles on the auto racks in the distance looked to be Chrysler products from the 1965 model year, as do the Lincoln Continentals with suicide doors. About the EL "Lake Cities", near the end of service the sleeper came off Westbound at Youngstown to turn for the Eastbound that night, and the diner/lounge turned at Huntington, Indiana for that evening's Eastbound. Only the coaches went all the way to Chicago. So while the sleeping car porter got some sleep during the day in Youngstown, it looks like the dining car crew was up and on duty until they finished dinner on the return trip that night. I had a chance to ride that train as a child a couple of times out of Akron, on outings with the Akron Railroad Club in the last year or so of service. They ran a class food service operation up to the end.
The BAR geep on the Pennsy must have been before October 1964, since that's when the sale of the Sandusky Branch from the PRR to the N&W was completed. Also, I presume the "LBJ" on the two cars in the opening shot were scrawled on there by a Lyndon Johnson supporter. He was running for president then and won the election in November of 1964. Don't blame me, I was only 7 years old. I would have pulled the lever for Goldwater.
Most diesel models I believe are on the mark, but some harder to identity, i.e. Alco road models and EMD switcher models. Any corrections with this or anything in the list appreciated.
Time RR Consist Caboose Unique Railcars and Scenery
------ ----- ------------ -------------- ----------------------------------------------
0:12 NYC GP9 Long Hood Likely Train #316 - mail train - Indianapolis to Cleveland [Railroad Media Archive]
0:49 NYC Caboose (L&N)
1:00 EL F7 Caboose (C&O) Train #5 - "Lake Cities" or "World's Fair" (renamed during '64 World's Fair in NYC) [Railroad Media Archive]
1:45 EL SW? / F7 / F7 / F7
2:15 C&O GP35 / GP30 / GP35 Caboose TOFCs, Monon, SP, CN, NYC, State of Main Products Boxcars
3:13 PRR Bangor & Aroostok GP40
3:47 NYC F7 Caboose L&N, Rock Island, NYC Boxcars
4:09 EL C425 Caboose Rio Grande, MILW Boxcars
4:38 N&W Caboose
4:46 C&O GP30 Open Autoracks
5:16 NYC GP9 Long Hood Caboose C&EI Boxcars
5:41 N&W GP30 Long Hood Caboose
6:08 EL GP35 WM Boxcars
6:22 EL GP7 Long Hood NYC Boxcars
6:42 EL F7 Passenger train with AC Tower in background
7:30 C&O GP7 Caboose
7:40 EL GP35
7:58 EL GP35 Brakeman at switch
8:33 EL GP35 Coaling tower in background
8:44 EL GP35 Caboose B&O Boxcars
9:26 EL RS? / F7 AC Tower in background
9:55 EL GP35 / F7
10:08 EL F7
10:31 C&O GP35 Caboose
10:47 NYC F7 Caboose L&N, RIRR, NYC Boxcars
12:03 NYC GP9 Short clips of SD7, AC Tower, and semaphore signals working
12:26 EL SW?
12:37 EL C425 Caboose C&NW, NP, ICRR, Ann Arbor, PRR, EL, SOU Boxcars, Fruit Growers Express Fridge Car
13:15 PRR RS? Caboose
13:32 NYC FA? Several nice late afternoon shots with AC Tower, bridge signals, passenger depot, and trains against sunset
13:53 NYC FA? Another late afternoon shot with passenger depot and train heading toward sunset
14:11 NYC SW? Location west of Marion on Route 95 [Railroad Media Archive]
14:35 NYC C425 Caboose L&N Boxcars. Switcher leading consist.
14:49 EL C425 Shot taken from AC Tower. Odd looking passenger car*, TOFCs
15:17 NYC GP9 Long Hood
15:28 PRR GP35 / F7 E Caboose PRR kept getting trackage rights after N&W ownership began [Railroad Media Archive].
Fairbanks Morse Switcher DPU*, PRR, Soo Line, Cotton Belt, CP, L&N, SOU Boxcars
16:20 PRR GP7 / GP35 Caboose (N&W) Alloy Cast Steel steel mill in the background. DT&I Jumbo
17:06 PRR GP7 Caboose (N&W) Virginian, N&W Hoppers, Wabash Hopper, US Army tanks OFC, Autoracks, L&N Jumbo
18:40 C&O GP30 / GP9 / GP35 Caboose C&O Coal Hoppers
18:57 N&W SW?
19:18 Building Shot of nearby factory
19:30 NYC F7 / GP9 / GP9 / GP9
19:44 NYC GP30 / F7 / F7 / F7 Caboose NYC Jumbo
20:06 PRR F7 E / F7 Cab / F7 Cab B&O Gondola
20:16 C&O SD18 / SD18 / SD35 Caboose N&W Hoppers
20:48 Building Closeup shot of AC Tower with workers on steps
20:57 EL F7 / F7 Cab / F7 Caboose Burt Tower [Railroad Media Archive]. DT&I Hopper
21:29 N&W GP9 / GP7 / GP7 / GP9 Caboose N&W and L&N Coal Hoppers
21:59 EL C425 / C425 / C425 Caboose B&M Jumbo, NYC, KCS, PRR Boxcars
22:36 Various Short collage, last clips feature Brakeman's shack and AC Tower and CPL signal
22:59 C&O GP9 / GP9 / SD18 Caboose N&W and L&N Coal Hoppers.
Opposing train - CN, Santa Fe, NYC, SP, Great Northern, B&O, Open Autorack (look like Ford Mustangs), C&O Caboose
24:19 NYC GP9 with Penn Central placard NYC Caboose with train crew on porch. EL, PRR, SOU, NP, RI Boxcars, Potacan Hopper
24:55 EL SW
25:11 N&W GP7 Caboose N&W Jumbo
25:38 NYC C425 / C425 / F7 Over the road train
@@Nethanel773 GP7s & 9s. No SDs of that model are seen. Erie Lackawanna didn't have GP40s. Those are GP35s.
@@RailroadMediaArchive Thanks for the corrections. I changed them.
I'm curious about the yard engine moving the head end power of No.5. Perhaps this was part of the move adding/removing the diner?
Quite abit of this footage was used in the first volume of Vignettes of the Erie Lackawanna.
Sadly, the cameraman cut the shot just as the Alco PA came into view, in both the arrival scene and the clip of the switcher pulling the locomotive consist from the train.
Interesting because I was just through Marion a few days ago to visit family and then on the way back home we stopped at the Buckeye Express Diner in Bellville.
I love these old diesel locomotives. However, it does look like some of the track is not in the best condition at Marion back then. How about the exposed car carriers?
Whats up with the red/orange(primer?) EL bay window caboose?
Never seen one of those.
What was going on with the tractor in the auto rack? I’ve seen that before in these films.
Looked like a Ford tractor in an autorack of Lincolns
There were a few of those. Ford tractors, coming out of Detroit with other FoMoCo vehicles.
Is it my imagination, or are the EL trains departing the yard moving at an excessive speed through the plant? Also, another question, did the NYC/PC and EL share tracakage since their lines ran paralell northwest of Marion?
@@richardburdick9430 I was told the speed limit on the diamonds was 30 as late as the 1960s. Yes on trackage rights from Marion to Galion. One track was NYC>PC owned, the other Erie>EL, but each other's trains used both tracks.
@@RailroadMediaArchive Thanks for the quick reply. I was under the impression that any train departing a yard had to adhere to yard limit speeds until the rear of the train was clear of the yard. I will acknowledge though, it is impossible for an observer like me to know where the yard limit is.
hopefully there's more kenton footage from around this time. i mainly hope there's footage from the US 68 Near Hayes Ave
@@ThatKentonRailfan I don't currently have any more Kenton footage.
@@RailroadMediaArchive That sucks. Hopefully later on this year we hopefully can see more
@@ThatKentonRailfan Don't count on it. With the proximity of hotspots like Marion, Lima and Toledo, Kenton was not a destination for photographers and railfans who wanted the most out of a day out.
Wasn’t Pen Central in the 60s
''The Penn Central Transportation Company, commonly abbreviated to Penn Central, was an American class I railroad that operated from 1968 to 1976. Penn Central combined three traditional corporate rivals (the Pennsylvania, New York Central and the New York, New Haven and Hartford railroads), all united by large-scale service into the New York metropolitan area and (to a lesser extent) New England and Chicago. The new company failed barely two years after formation, the largest bankruptcy in U.S. history at the time.''
@@jimihendrix991 Really sad. Erie-Lackawanna fared a bit better, but ultimately couldn't stay out of Conrail.
No dynamic brakes!
There were a lot of units with dynamic brakes in this film. I suggest you go back and watch it again.
@@salguy Was speaking about one.
Not one rail car had graffiti on it!!!