As someone who has written a 50k+ word fan fic with Satin as a POV character through all 5 books... I am completely unbiased when I say Satin should be a pov character.
The idea of Satin being a POV is tempting indeed, hopefully with some kind of “happy ending” since most of the LGBT characters really go nowhere with their plots :,(
I think it could be really fun to see Bran through Meera's perspective. To see his transformation from an external perspective, possibly also confirming the Jojen paste theory.
Agreed, great idea. Seeing Three Eyed Bran from outside his head (and providing confirmation of Jojen Paste!) would be perfect from Meera's POV. In fact, now that Bran's linked up with the Weirwood Net, do we need his POV, or would it be better to keep the mysteries in his head?
@@EnvojusThat's absolutely true but I also wonder if maybe thats not the whole point. We start out with a child's mind but over time that child comes to be the source of much of the important info we get, if not the most important source in the end.
It makes perfect sense for Meera to be a POV if (like in the show) Bran becomes lost in the weirnet for a duration of time; she could offer perspective on their journey as she escapes from the Others and/or Bloodraven. It can also give us a perspective for Greywater Watch and the Neck if/when Howland Reed is introduced. People need to remember that GRRM introduced POVs in ADWD out of narrative necessity and if he is having difficulty tying knots in TWOW, it would not be surprising to see him do the same thing again.
Bronn married Lolys Stokeworth. Heir to Castle Stokeworth now that her mother and older sister are dead. If he takes over a castle, it will be that one not Rosby, where he has no claim.
I would like to see either Garlan or Willas Tyrell. The Tyrell’s play too big of a part in the story and as a great house are the only one who don’t have a POV. Also, Mace plays such a fool that most people believe the real threat is olenna Tyrell. But they have the most underrated and one of the most galant knights in Garlan who is really intriguing on the outside looking in. With Willas, from the outside looking in he’s just a cripple who likes to hawk and hunt. We know from wyman manderly and Doran Martell that they use their ailments as a guise to hide their true intentions and I feel he fits that exact role. Regardless, a Tyrell POV would be nice.
Like Wyman Manderly, his "disability" allows others to see him as less capable than he truly is. He is known to be very intelligent, like Lord Manderly. I hope he has his sense of humor.😀
Guessing at the next prologue we kno its going to be a creepy horrible magical death my money is on a survivor of hardhome, jojen reed, an arya victim, or somebody at castle black
I really think the prologue chapter could be a Hardholme “survivor” (probably will die at the end of the chapter) as George wants to show us Hardholme and I think it would be a really good way to set a very depressing tone for Winds, what is supposed to be the darkest book of the series.
I think we most likely will see a wildling POV character. We don’t have any and they think quite differently than the rest of the cast. I think Val has the highest possibility but Tormund is also possible but less likely as then we get to know how big his manhood actually is.
I love that everyone that called themselves king or queen has a POV characters judging their actions and characters. Sansa POV to Joffrey Baratheon Davos POV to Stannis Baratheon Theon POV to Baelon Greyjoy Catelyn POV to Robb and Renly You could consider that Daenerys POV judging Viserys III when he's still alive. Areo Hotah judges Doran Martell a prince of Dorne, both Aeron and Victarion judges Euron after he declares himself the new king of Iron Islands and technically, Cersei judges Tommen as king. In ADWD, Davos goes to Manderlys so it kinda shift and Jon Snow becomes both judge to Stannis Baratheon, King of Westeros and Mance Rayder, King Beyond The Wall. Barristan Selmy judges Daenarys when she becomes queen. And don't forget Quinn the GM's favourite, Jon Connington judges Young Griff action in conquering Westeros. Edit: This is technically why I personally dont think resurrected Jon would be POV character anymore IF he decides to be king as Rhaegar's heir.
@@Rougarou99 Personally I won't consider Brienne tho. Most POV I mentioned are unbiased. Like Catelyn acknowledges Renly can be good king but usurping Stannis wasn't a right cause to do it. Brienne is like putting a perfect king imagine onto Renly than judges him as a character.
I would love Willas as a viewpoint 💚🌹, he seems legitimately like a good guy, he’s unmarried which is a chekov’s gun if I’ve ever seen one but mostly to give JonCon a run for his money. Big Walder would also be interesting, future Lord of the Crossing should have some interesting thoughts. I also really like the idea, from the comments, of Meera becoming a viewpoint, Martin does have a strict no schemers viewpoint rule and after training with Bloodraven our little tree wizard seems like he’ll become a schemer, not the Lord of Winterfell. But if Osha does become a viewpoint I can only see her as like Arys Oakheart, she does a couple of chapters then dies alongside Rickon because I don’t see how the story progresses if he’s alive.
I have a sort of pet theory of there being a chapter titled Arya that's actually Jeyne Poole, which is an idea I generally enjoy for the rug-pull though admittedly a lot of what might make her perspective interesting (Ramsay trauma, outside view of the Starks, normal person's view of what's going on at the wall and maybe Braavos) is stuff that is either covered by existing POVs or other potential ones so idk. Probably the best that could come of it is an "Arya" POV of an encounter with Arya proper at Braavos. Bearing in mind Bran will be looking back in time I could also see (though very much not betting on it) a POV from a young Ned/Robert/Lyanna/etc. assuming some plot point where access to their inner thoughts would be more compelling than Bran's but wouldn't provide any plot-essential information that Bran wouldn't be able to surmise. Obviously more important is a Benjen POV of him being completely lost but somehow not dead beyond the wall, getting into hijinx.
I would die to read a chapter set in Highgarden from Olenna Tyrell's POV. It would also be interesting to have Marwyn's POV or if George simply created a random POV character who lives in Flea Bottom.
I think Olenna can't be a POV, since it'd give away too much information, just like Doran in Dorne. A close POV for her could be Butter bumps, it could be interesting being in the mind of a jester
Queen Selyse Baratheon would be an interesting pov in the north and could be the one through which we see Shireen's burning. Or maybe Howland Reed since it has been rumored he will be important later on and could reveal what happened at the Tower of Joy.
I will also welcome a Grey worm chapter shedding light on the life and mentality of the unsullied. A missandei chapter letting us know more about Naath. Jorah, Penny, Hizdar are some interesting options as well.
if George is still alive and is able to complete the books, he should do a POV chapter of himself. just to see what he went through after 15 years (We're never getting the final books)
i love the idea of getting a Wilas chapter that just absolutely demolishes everything that has been said about him being boring and pious. Just have him be the most interesting man in Westeros, just painting and making sculptures and running the highgarden court like a boss, singing and writing poetry and hawking and riding horses and having exotic dinners with his six dornish girlfriends.
You had me until 6 dornish girlfriends. Yet another powerful man using his position to exploit women would be literally the most boring possible option. And you think Dornish women are gonna embarrass themselves being mistresses to a Tyrell? Or competing with each other like that at all? Cmon. What made Ned interesting was he was essentially a good man. I'd like to see Willas be similar.
There are two major castles we haven't seen yet, that being Casterly Rock (I think Cersei will end up there) and Highgarden (where I don't really see any viewpoints ending up soon). I'd actually prefer us being kept out of the Tyrells' heads, so a lord in the Reach who could integrate into Euron's and eventually probably the Dornish or Faegon plot lines would be great. I think house Peake would be perfect (personal ambition, Blackfyre ties, conflict with Dorne as a Marcher house, a house with lots of lore that is still missing in the main books). I also agree that a viewpoint to tell us more about the wildlings would be great, but once again I'd prefer not to have first hand knowledge, but instead learn about wildling culture with the viewpoint character. That's why I believe Alys Karstark is perfect for that role.
@@status_quo_post I have forgotten - who's hands Harrenhal is now? Bolton left it to the Lannisters? To tell you the truth, after all disgusting things that happened there I do not want ot return to Harrenhal.
@@gerganakoleva4137 in name Littlefinger is Lord of Harrenhal but since he is in the Vale Jaime appoints Ser Bonifer Hasty as castellan when he moves through the riverlands in Feast.
I would also love to have a Tyrell viewpoint chapter but I would prefer Garlan than Willas. Garlan is probably my favorite Tyrell in the books, he's the only one who's kind to Tyrion at his wedding and is an incredible fighter, maybe even better than his brother, Loras. It would also be awesome to have a look at his story because he was last mentionned gathering men to retake the Shield Islands, and it would be nice to see a fight of him against the ironmen. We could also see him retake Brightwater Keep, which would be cool too. Well, any Tyrell PoV would be nice.
One fun POV character would be Littlefinger. It would be interesting to see all his schemes fall apart as the ‘death of schemers’ happens as magic begins to renter the story proper.
I would love someone beyond the Wall or at the Night's Watch other than Jon or Melisandre. I am thinking either Tormund Giantsbane or Mance Rayder. Mance particularly would shed light on a lot of the intrigue going on while also giving an inside look into the wildling POV and could be our new viewpoint on Stannis if not Theon, since Davos is now gone to Skagos.
I think you mixed up Cotter Pyke and Denys Mallister, which is funny because they hate each other. Mallister commands the Shadow Tower. Pyke commands Eastwatch and is on the Hardhome expedition.
Prob won’t happen in Winds (depending on how much plot it ends up covering) but eventually making Howland Reed a POV when it’s time for him to be introduced could be a cool way to reveal things about Robert’s Rebellion
I think Sandor would be awesome! Also, in defense of him coming out of quiet isle..... The vow of silence still allows them to speak one day each week. If Cersei chooses the Mountain as her champion. The faith needs a champion. The hound going to stand for the faith vs his brother seems fitting. Also... it is specifically made clear that the brothers on quiet isle are very up to date with political news somehow.
I dislike having a Margaery viewpoint as it clears up too much of cersei’s delusions which I think we aren’t meant to know whether what she believes is always true or not, e.g. we don’t know what the moon tea that pycelle admits to providing is for, Cersei seems to believe it shows marges guilt but I assume this isn’t the case For a Tyrell, I would love Ser Loras, as a reveal that he wasn’t actually injured in dragonstone
I definitely agree that Stannis is better off as a non-POV, especially because we get to see him through his two main advisers, who are both favorite characters of mine. I agree that it'd be great to get a Free Folk viewpoint, and I want to see Hardhome--so my #1 pick is Tormund. I'd love to see this normally jovial man witness the annihilation of some of the last of his people. It'd be heart-wrenching in a really interesting way to see Tormund become this sort of "great clown Paggliachi" character.
@@QuinnTheGM ah fair enough, would you possibly be interested in making ADOS prologue prediction, i know its a while away but with the whole pattern of maester to beyond the wall, it makes me question how we might get a beyond the wall prologue if the white walkers have already begun to invade? A lot of interesting posibilities imo
Surely GRRM will have a Sweetrobin POV, in order to show off his cunning overthrow of Littlefinger, showing the young lord Arryn to be the true winner of the Game of Thrones.
Big Walder is an interesting choice - maybe he focalises the Battle of Ice - and I could imagine Ghost closing out Winds the same way Bran closed Clash ("I'm not dead either") particularly if, as I quietly hope, we don't hear from Jon again until Dream. But I think having the Hound as a focaliser would be a net loss. We've heard enough from that poor bastard to know how he thinks and feels, and I think seeing things from his perspective would flatten out his character in precisely the opposite way that making Cersei a focaliser in Feast deepened her. Indeed I'm a proponent of Schrodinger's Dog, the notion that it might be best to leave Sandor's fate ambiguous. The only reason I would bring him back would be so he could apologise to Sansa, and she could give him a hug, and even then you wouldn't need him as focaliser, or even see him. Perhaps in Dream Brienne obeys Sansa's instruction to wait at the shore of the Quiet Isle and notices her young charge returns from her visit in a reflective state of mind. One alternative candidate does spring to mind - the Blackfish. A grand old warhorse reflecting on his failures as he works to salvage a ghastly situation is a picture Martin has done before (vid. Barristan Selmy) but Brynden is working much closer to ground level; less interested in ceremony, celibate by choice rather than vow, given to moments of earthiness ("I've seen wet shits etc" being one of the best lines added to the show) and with a family to fight for - a niece he let down; great-nieces and nephews he might still help. Maybe he links up with Jeyne and gets Robb's cub somewhere safe - Highgarden, perhaps.
I like the idea that the hound will come back to KL to kill his brother after Gregor kills all 7 of the faiths champions during cerceis trial by seven or to possible join the faith's side, but I'm not counting on it happening
Kinda wanna see Harras harlaw. It would be cool to see him realise how much Euron has manipulated the other ironborn and to snap out of his manipulation
MY BOY SATIN!!! As someone who's written fanfic about him, Jon's favourite twink deserves a POV. He's one of those characters with little written about him, but what is written implies a lot. Whether he's in love with Jon or not I think he'd be a great sort of on-the-ground viewpoint to see all the chaos at Castle Black, in the same sorta way Arya was at Harrenhal due to his precarious position and resourcefulness.
@ it’s implied she’s his daughter. Not stated directly and she is not for acknowledged. Little finger mentions her in GoT when Ned goes to meet Gendry but again he does not mention her name. Edrick Storm is Robert’s only Acknowledged Child
Realistically, he has to cut the pov characters down to 7-10 by the end of winds, if he ever hopes to even have a chance at finishing the story. So the better question is, which 10-13 characters should Martin off in winds, not which character should he add.
Thoros of myr is a good choice for a pov from the lady stoneheart plot being a character we’ve had since book one and someone who now doesn’t like the direction the brotherhood has taken
Great vid once again! Small correction (11:09) - Aegon V is not half Blackwood, he marries one (Betha Blackwood) and therefore his kids are half Blackwoods. Aegon V is actually half Dayne as Maekar I’s wife was a Dayne.
Denys Mallister is at the Shadow Tower, not Hardhome. Its cotter Pyke on the expedition writing to Jon. Makes sense too, the iron islander was given command of the naval base
I would love to see a Stannis POV someday. Every decision he makes puts a weight on him, and seeing how it affected his thoughts would be amazing. All this Cressen and “peach” scenery would make a perfect saddest POV ever for the book
10:39 I dont think big walder is leading the northern force i think they described his armor which is standard frey armor and since thats the only time weve heard it described people have equated that to big walder leading the troops which is nonsensical big walder is a valuable hostage and a child still i doubt he would lead a charge which is an honor
Obviously we all want a Howland Reed POV, but aside from that as a Manderly fan I’d love a Wyman Manderly POV. Likely not a necessary POV but I’d still love it regardless. Maybe he could be Rickon’s hand or he could rule in Rickon’s stead until he comes of age. Cotter Pyke too would be a great POV. An interesting character in a very interesting situation. Although I like the creepy letter and sometimes not seeing something is more interesting than actually seeing it. I really don’t see the Hound coming back into the story. His story arc is perfect and should be left alone. I’d definitely be interested in a Val POV. She’s a really interesting character and I’d love to see more from her. A Ghost/Jon POV has to happen. It’s way too interesting an idea to not do. The idea of Jon realising he was murdered and what’s happening while in Ghost sounds so good.
Brilliant, Quinn! Hesitated to watch bc of his no new viewpoints statements, but you explain how he’s shattered such a promise before! -A Theory of Ice & Fire on quora
I agree, Willas in my #1 as well and \i was actually shocked to hear that Martin said he won't add new PoVs becuase WIllas always seemed a certain future PoV to me.
Even though there's the rule of "No Schemers" for POV, as it would spoil too many things, I think it's time to introduce Varys as a POV, since his scheme of putting Young Griff on the throne is coming to an end. He is an Enigma, it would be fascinating to see who the real Varys is and what was his motivation - similar to Mellisandre's POV. It would also give us more insight in to what was happening behind closed doors that lead us to where we are now.
Oh man, as soon as this video popped up, I immediately thought of Willas Tyrell. He’ll be running Highgarden as the war heads south, making key decisions without full understanding of the nefarious circumstances unveiling around him. Great minds, etc
Imo, Sandor Clegane as a POV character now that is the gavekeeper of the silent isle, would be truly wonderful. Why? To see the POV of low class, peasant society of westeros (yes, I know Davos wasn't always a noble, but his viewpoint is to tell the perspective of Stannis and he is hand of the king). Martin has established that he would like to cover more of the story of the common westerosi, and to see how the people of the most destroyed and harassed area of the war have been affected by the game of thrones of the high class, would be really remarkable and useful. - As you have said in the video Val's viewpoint would be lovely, specially as you have said to tell the story of the wall and the free folk once Jon leaves or to tell the story of Jons perspective once he is resurrected. Also because my favourite ship is her with Jon. - Finally, a Tyrell (Olenna or Willas, but Mace would be extremely funny and interesting as to see how dumb he is and how he messes up with Storm's End and Faegon). We know the tyrells are going to suffer in this book: Margeary probably will die once Faegon conquers Kingslanding (or made hostage), Mace will be defeated by faegon and by the treason of the friends the later has in the Reach (Tarly, Peake), their lands being harassed and pillaged by the Greyjoys. I want to see how this house mostly collapses and try to face its problems
I’d say Loras Tyrell is in a good viewpoint position! Being the current major character on Dragonstone, he’s got enough personal drama to fuel chapters while also being in a very plot relevant location to reveal stuff. And, given his potentially maiming and position on the Kingsguard, he’s got some strong mirroring going on with Jaime and could give us hints on Tyrell schemes without showing their full hand.
I think a Thorne POV would be cool, maybe as a prologue/epilogue. My idea would be that he returns after Jon's assassination and flips his lid because even if he hated Jon it was still treachery.
Now that I think about it, Val would be a pretty awesome viewpoint for Jon's story (although I'm pretty sure a resurrected Jon will be his own viewpoint).
I want a Justin Massey POV. See him traipsing around Essos recruiting mercenaries and then coming back to find Stannis dead, would be a neat way to keep the readers abreast of everything in the Free Cities now we don’t have JonCon/Quentyn/Tyrion to clue us in. Especially if Dany attacks Volantis.
I hope we get a time jump in the next one. Maybe Bran spends too long in the tree inheriting its knowledge and observing all of the events as they happen. Would be a great way to get an interesting look into some of the younger kids like Rickon and Edric
Personally my favorite suggestion for a really great ending Gravedigger epilogue chapter if Arya dies and wargs in Nymeria where the wolf-Arya walks up and nods at him. Both warriors and their post death lives meeting physically aware/or unaware to the context
i would love to see a blackfish pov chapter, especially if it confirmed the jeyne westerling switch theory. but also because i love the tullys and would love another pov character from that house, and blackfish is a pretty cool dude
5:12 and 12:57 I unironically think that Garlan would make a great Tyrell POV, because he is by and large still a mystery to the audience, helped by that he is not on the show, it would give GRRM full freedom to explore the politics of the reach, Euron, Young Griff and so on. Also the freedom of being the second son could ensure his story was very flexible in terms of what he could do. Whereas Olena would in many ways feel trapped by audience expectations as well as her knowing and planning to much that it could come off as kind of a spoiler.
My personal choice is Tyene Sand, the Sand Snake who’s undercover as a septa in KL. We could see the Bobby Strong duel and reveal from his perspective than see her potentially killing Tommen to avenge his sister
I hope that if any new POV character is introduced, it's role should serve to resolve one of the current conflicts in the series. TWOW should resolve the groundwork laid by Feast and Dance, then Dream should be entirely centered around Danny's conquest and the Others invasion.
We need a viewpoint character with Myrcella Baratheon and the Sand Snakes going with her to KL. I would also appreciate a Val or Satin perspective. Big Walder is going to be the only Frey left. I don't think he would be a good POV, though.
Also, if Loras Tyrell is maimed in some way (people speculate he will loose hi good looks), I would love to see his thoughts, so potentially, if the Knight of Flowers undergoes a tragedy, I would like his as a POV.
I think the Hound falling back into his violent ways after his new mentors are slaughtered is a very great choice narratively. A lot of people give it shit, but I think Sandor having a failed character arc could be very tragic and powerful, especially if he reunites with Arya similar to the show, with his failed arc being pivotal to her redemption.
I would want Osmund Kettleback, Lancel Lannister and hell meaby even Moonboy for all I know
Oh very good
Hahahahahaha best comment in existence. But, yes, those povs would be fab, in all seriousness
😂😂😂
As someone who has written a 50k+ word fan fic with Satin as a POV character through all 5 books... I am completely unbiased when I say Satin should be a pov character.
link?? 😮
link, please
Need to read that, please send that to me.
I'd love to read this also. I've been wanting to write fanfic for GOT for a while now
The idea of Satin being a POV is tempting indeed, hopefully with some kind of “happy ending” since most of the LGBT characters really go nowhere with their plots :,(
I think it could be really fun to see Bran through Meera's perspective. To see his transformation from an external perspective, possibly also confirming the Jojen paste theory.
That's actually a really good idea. Once Bran is finished leveling up, he will be too omnipotent to be a POV character.
Agreed, great idea. Seeing Three Eyed Bran from outside his head (and providing confirmation of Jojen Paste!) would be perfect from Meera's POV. In fact, now that Bran's linked up with the Weirwood Net, do we need his POV, or would it be better to keep the mysteries in his head?
@@EnvojusThat's absolutely true but I also wonder if maybe thats not the whole point. We start out with a child's mind but over time that child comes to be the source of much of the important info we get, if not the most important source in the end.
Personally i hope Martin reveals Jojen is totally fine still. Just like one cave over having stew or something. Grease running merrily down his chin.
It makes perfect sense for Meera to be a POV if (like in the show) Bran becomes lost in the weirnet for a duration of time; she could offer perspective on their journey as she escapes from the Others and/or Bloodraven. It can also give us a perspective for Greywater Watch and the Neck if/when Howland Reed is introduced.
People need to remember that GRRM introduced POVs in ADWD out of narrative necessity and if he is having difficulty tying knots in TWOW, it would not be surprising to see him do the same thing again.
Today I learned Tyrek Lannister is the horse that saves Arya during the bells. It all makes sense now.
What we really need is a viewpoint chapter for Strong Belwas!
There's already way too many POV' in Meereen, but I'd keep Belwas by having Tyrion be unconscious throughout the whole battle
Just 3 chapters of him being sick from the poison
Shitting STRONG Brown Ben Water.
A Bronn pov would be a fun chapter. Maybe as he's taking over Rosby using his wife's extremely tenuous claim as pretext.
Nah my boy Perwyn Frey gets Rosby it’s his by right all those that deny that are my foes.
Bronn married Lolys Stokeworth. Heir to Castle Stokeworth now that her mother and older sister are dead.
If he takes over a castle, it will be that one not Rosby, where he has no claim.
I would like to see either Garlan or Willas Tyrell. The Tyrell’s play too big of a part in the story and as a great house are the only one who don’t have a POV. Also, Mace plays such a fool that most people believe the real threat is olenna Tyrell. But they have the most underrated and one of the most galant knights in Garlan who is really intriguing on the outside looking in. With Willas, from the outside looking in he’s just a cripple who likes to hawk and hunt. We know from wyman manderly and Doran Martell that they use their ailments as a guise to hide their true intentions and I feel he fits that exact role. Regardless, a Tyrell POV would be nice.
Like Wyman Manderly, his "disability" allows others to see him as less capable than he truly is. He is known to be very intelligent, like Lord Manderly. I hope he has his sense of humor.😀
I know the theory of Jeyne Westerling being the prologue POV, but I think having her as a POV would be really cool
Guessing at the next prologue we kno its going to be a creepy horrible magical death my money is on a survivor of hardhome, jojen reed, an arya victim, or somebody at castle black
If we go by the pattern, it's probably gonna be a Maester. Probably the Westerling Maester travelling with Jayne and Edmure
why would it be a maester cressen was the only one so far
@@micahmcfadden8082 pate was training to be a maester
I think it was confirmed by GRRM that Jeyne would not be the POV in the Prologue but would rather be a character appearing in the prologue.
11:08 Aegon V isn’t a Half Blackwood, he marries a Blackwood, Black Betha Blackwood, he’s Half Dayne, his mum was Dyanna Dayne.
Good catch, I got my Targaryen generations mixed up
I really think the prologue chapter could be a Hardholme “survivor” (probably will die at the end of the chapter) as George wants to show us Hardholme and I think it would be a really good way to set a very depressing tone for Winds, what is supposed to be the darkest book of the series.
I think we most likely will see a wildling POV character. We don’t have any and they think quite differently than the rest of the cast. I think Val has the highest possibility but Tormund is also possible but less likely as then we get to know how big his manhood actually is.
I'm going for Val, since Tormund is just too much fun to watch from the outside.
I would love some Tormund POV chapters.
We literally had Varamyr SixSkins POV
@@Lexxir a wildling and another warg POV. How is he forgotten?
I didn’t forget him. He is a prolog character and doesn’t count.
So long as Victarion gets more chapters, I'm happy.
I love that everyone that called themselves king or queen has a POV characters judging their actions and characters.
Sansa POV to Joffrey Baratheon
Davos POV to Stannis Baratheon
Theon POV to Baelon Greyjoy
Catelyn POV to Robb and Renly
You could consider that Daenerys POV judging Viserys III when he's still alive. Areo Hotah judges Doran Martell a prince of Dorne, both Aeron and Victarion judges Euron after he declares himself the new king of Iron Islands and technically, Cersei judges Tommen as king. In ADWD, Davos goes to Manderlys so it kinda shift and Jon Snow becomes both judge to Stannis Baratheon, King of Westeros and Mance Rayder, King Beyond The Wall. Barristan Selmy judges Daenarys when she becomes queen. And don't forget Quinn the GM's favourite, Jon Connington judges Young Griff action in conquering Westeros.
Edit: This is technically why I personally dont think resurrected Jon would be POV character anymore IF he decides to be king as Rhaegar's heir.
The real question is who is Quinn the GM's POV? Who's judging his actions?
counterpoint: ghost pov chapter would go insane
@@facundomedina9762 Fantasy Haven, of course.
Brienne, as well, for Renly.
@@Rougarou99 Personally I won't consider Brienne tho. Most POV I mentioned are unbiased. Like Catelyn acknowledges Renly can be good king but usurping Stannis wasn't a right cause to do it. Brienne is like putting a perfect king imagine onto Renly than judges him as a character.
I think Mance in the crypts would be the best POV. He could even show us the rest of Winterfell potentially
I would love Willas as a viewpoint 💚🌹, he seems legitimately like a good guy, he’s unmarried which is a chekov’s gun if I’ve ever seen one but mostly to give JonCon a run for his money. Big Walder would also be interesting, future Lord of the Crossing should have some interesting thoughts. I also really like the idea, from the comments, of Meera becoming a viewpoint, Martin does have a strict no schemers viewpoint rule and after training with Bloodraven our little tree wizard seems like he’ll become a schemer, not the Lord of Winterfell. But if Osha does become a viewpoint I can only see her as like Arys Oakheart, she does a couple of chapters then dies alongside Rickon because I don’t see how the story progresses if he’s alive.
Rickon needs to live a long long full life 😢
I have a sort of pet theory of there being a chapter titled Arya that's actually Jeyne Poole, which is an idea I generally enjoy for the rug-pull though admittedly a lot of what might make her perspective interesting (Ramsay trauma, outside view of the Starks, normal person's view of what's going on at the wall and maybe Braavos) is stuff that is either covered by existing POVs or other potential ones so idk. Probably the best that could come of it is an "Arya" POV of an encounter with Arya proper at Braavos.
Bearing in mind Bran will be looking back in time I could also see (though very much not betting on it) a POV from a young Ned/Robert/Lyanna/etc. assuming some plot point where access to their inner thoughts would be more compelling than Bran's but wouldn't provide any plot-essential information that Bran wouldn't be able to surmise.
Obviously more important is a Benjen POV of him being completely lost but somehow not dead beyond the wall, getting into hijinx.
I would die to read a chapter set in Highgarden from Olenna Tyrell's POV. It would also be interesting to have Marwyn's POV or if George simply created a random POV character who lives in Flea Bottom.
I think Olenna can't be a POV, since it'd give away too much information, just like Doran in Dorne. A close POV for her could be Butter bumps, it could be interesting being in the mind of a jester
03:34 We had Varamyr Sixskins as a wildling POV.
12:49 that's fucking genious. BTW, also big Fan of the big walder- and Willas Tyrell-Pov-ideas.
Queen Selyse Baratheon would be an interesting pov in the north and could be the one through which we see Shireen's burning.
Or maybe Howland Reed since it has been rumored he will be important later on and could reveal what happened at the Tower of Joy.
Howland Reed is impossible, Martin said himself he will not be a POV in any case because ''He knows too much''
I think a Reznak mo Reznak chapter would really shed some light on Meereen, where we don't have quite enough POV characters at the moment.
It would also be good to have one POV that is of the local people, and not only a gazillion from the occupiers.
I will also welcome a Grey worm chapter shedding light on the life and mentality of the unsullied. A missandei chapter letting us know more about Naath. Jorah, Penny, Hizdar are some interesting options as well.
if George is still alive and is able to complete the books, he should do a POV chapter of himself. just to see what he went through after 15 years (We're never getting the final books)
i love the idea of getting a Wilas chapter that just absolutely demolishes everything that has been said about him being boring and pious. Just have him be the most interesting man in Westeros, just painting and making sculptures and running the highgarden court like a boss, singing and writing poetry and hawking and riding horses and having exotic dinners with his six dornish girlfriends.
You had me until 6 dornish girlfriends.
Yet another powerful man using his position to exploit women would be literally the most boring possible option. And you think Dornish women are gonna embarrass themselves being mistresses to a Tyrell? Or competing with each other like that at all? Cmon.
What made Ned interesting was he was essentially a good man. I'd like to see Willas be similar.
There are two major castles we haven't seen yet, that being Casterly Rock (I think Cersei will end up there) and Highgarden (where I don't really see any viewpoints ending up soon). I'd actually prefer us being kept out of the Tyrells' heads, so a lord in the Reach who could integrate into Euron's and eventually probably the Dornish or Faegon plot lines would be great. I think house Peake would be perfect (personal ambition, Blackfyre ties, conflict with Dorne as a Marcher house, a house with lots of lore that is still missing in the main books).
I also agree that a viewpoint to tell us more about the wildlings would be great, but once again I'd prefer not to have first hand knowledge, but instead learn about wildling culture with the viewpoint character. That's why I believe Alys Karstark is perfect for that role.
Mixed up denis mallister with cotter Pyke but good vid regardless
I would go to any lengths for a Bonifer Hasty POV.
Who is that?
@@gerganakoleva4137 Current castellan of Harrenhal. A fine and most devout hedge knight.
@@status_quo_post I have forgotten - who's hands Harrenhal is now? Bolton left it to the Lannisters? To tell you the truth, after all disgusting things that happened there I do not want ot return to Harrenhal.
@@gerganakoleva4137 in name Littlefinger is Lord of Harrenhal but since he is in the Vale Jaime appoints Ser Bonifer Hasty as castellan when he moves through the riverlands in Feast.
@@status_quo_post Ok, I am just rereading the books, I will pay attention. I think Jamie's pick will be a better man that the last three we had there.
I would also love to have a Tyrell viewpoint chapter but I would prefer Garlan than Willas. Garlan is probably my favorite Tyrell in the books, he's the only one who's kind to Tyrion at his wedding and is an incredible fighter, maybe even better than his brother, Loras. It would also be awesome to have a look at his story because he was last mentionned gathering men to retake the Shield Islands, and it would be nice to see a fight of him against the ironmen. We could also see him retake Brightwater Keep, which would be cool too. Well, any Tyrell PoV would be nice.
Cotter pyke is secretly denys mallister confirmed
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One idea I like would be Ned Dayne seeing what happened after the disassemblement of some of the brotherhood and possibly seeing starfall
Can't believe Shitmouth is missing.
Big Walder would have been a fun pick though.
No Shitmouth? Well bugger me with a spear!
One fun POV character would be Littlefinger. It would be interesting to see all his schemes fall apart as the ‘death of schemers’ happens as magic begins to renter the story proper.
I would love someone beyond the Wall or at the Night's Watch other than Jon or Melisandre. I am thinking either Tormund Giantsbane or Mance Rayder. Mance particularly would shed light on a lot of the intrigue going on while also giving an inside look into the wildling POV and could be our new viewpoint on Stannis if not Theon, since Davos is now gone to Skagos.
Already LOVE this concept before watching
I think you mixed up Cotter Pyke and Denys Mallister, which is funny because they hate each other. Mallister commands the Shadow Tower. Pyke commands Eastwatch and is on the Hardhome expedition.
Prob won’t happen in Winds (depending on how much plot it ends up covering) but eventually making Howland Reed a POV when it’s time for him to be introduced could be a cool way to reveal things about Robert’s Rebellion
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I think Sandor would be awesome! Also, in defense of him coming out of quiet isle.....
The vow of silence still allows them to speak one day each week. If Cersei chooses the Mountain as her champion. The faith needs a champion. The hound going to stand for the faith vs his brother seems fitting. Also... it is specifically made clear that the brothers on quiet isle are very up to date with political news somehow.
Also also... in the mountains fight vs the Viper, the mountain had a shield of the faith. This whole scenario would be very full circle
Hopefully, we will see Celgan's POV and that of one of the Northean conspirers against Bolton.
Garlan Tyrell would be my pick for a new viewpoint... He is just the nicest person ever Edit: Willas would be cool to
I think i'd fancy Willas in real life. Intelligent, well-read, nice. Definitely my type ❤🎉
The formula for a pov is not knowing too much or having too much power/influence with the exception of dany whom started with no power
And Jon, who grew into power
Facts
So what you're saying is... Bloodraven and Quaithe would be perfect? 😉
@@j-rey- as prolouge povs😭
I dislike having a Margaery viewpoint as it clears up too much of cersei’s delusions which I think we aren’t meant to know whether what she believes is always true or not, e.g. we don’t know what the moon tea that pycelle admits to providing is for, Cersei seems to believe it shows marges guilt but I assume this isn’t the case
For a Tyrell, I would love Ser Loras, as a reveal that he wasn’t actually injured in dragonstone
I definitely agree that Stannis is better off as a non-POV, especially because we get to see him through his two main advisers, who are both favorite characters of mine.
I agree that it'd be great to get a Free Folk viewpoint, and I want to see Hardhome--so my #1 pick is Tormund. I'd love to see this normally jovial man witness the annihilation of some of the last of his people. It'd be heart-wrenching in a really interesting way to see Tormund become this sort of "great clown Paggliachi" character.
Hodor... a chapter full of his thoughts "hodor"
but quinn we technically have a wildling view point, varamyr
I generally don’t count prologues
@@QuinnTheGM ah fair enough, would you possibly be interested in making ADOS prologue prediction, i know its a while away but with the whole pattern of maester to beyond the wall, it makes me question how we might get a beyond the wall prologue if the white walkers have already begun to invade? A lot of interesting posibilities imo
Howland Reed would be great.
Surely GRRM will have a Sweetrobin POV, in order to show off his cunning overthrow of Littlefinger, showing the young lord Arryn to be the true winner of the Game of Thrones.
Big Walder is an interesting choice - maybe he focalises the Battle of Ice - and I could imagine Ghost closing out Winds the same way Bran closed Clash ("I'm not dead either") particularly if, as I quietly hope, we don't hear from Jon again until Dream. But I think having the Hound as a focaliser would be a net loss. We've heard enough from that poor bastard to know how he thinks and feels, and I think seeing things from his perspective would flatten out his character in precisely the opposite way that making Cersei a focaliser in Feast deepened her.
Indeed I'm a proponent of Schrodinger's Dog, the notion that it might be best to leave Sandor's fate ambiguous. The only reason I would bring him back would be so he could apologise to Sansa, and she could give him a hug, and even then you wouldn't need him as focaliser, or even see him. Perhaps in Dream Brienne obeys Sansa's instruction to wait at the shore of the Quiet Isle and notices her young charge returns from her visit in a reflective state of mind.
One alternative candidate does spring to mind - the Blackfish. A grand old warhorse reflecting on his failures as he works to salvage a ghastly situation is a picture Martin has done before (vid. Barristan Selmy) but Brynden is working much closer to ground level; less interested in ceremony, celibate by choice rather than vow, given to moments of earthiness ("I've seen wet shits etc" being one of the best lines added to the show) and with a family to fight for - a niece he let down; great-nieces and nephews he might still help. Maybe he links up with Jeyne and gets Robb's cub somewhere safe - Highgarden, perhaps.
I like the idea that the hound will come back to KL to kill his brother after Gregor kills all 7 of the faiths champions during cerceis trial by seven or to possible join the faith's side, but I'm not counting on it happening
Yes Willas respected
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Kinda wanna see Harras harlaw. It would be cool to see him realise how much Euron has manipulated the other ironborn and to snap out of his manipulation
8:57 Watching this right after watching you and Interesting Nerd Club's theory on Satin😂
We did have the varyamir prologue for a wildling pov even if it’s only for one chapter
MY BOY SATIN!!! As someone who's written fanfic about him, Jon's favourite twink deserves a POV. He's one of those characters with little written about him, but what is written implies a lot. Whether he's in love with Jon or not I think he'd be a great sort of on-the-ground viewpoint to see all the chaos at Castle Black, in the same sorta way Arya was at Harrenhal due to his precarious position and resourcefulness.
Maya Stone is specifically Unacknowledged, never even directly stated that she's Robert's.
That's not true, it's mentioned in AGOT when Catelyn is ascending to the Eyrie
@ it’s implied she’s his daughter. Not stated directly and she is not for acknowledged. Little finger mentions her in GoT when Ned goes to meet Gendry but again he does not mention her name. Edrick Storm is Robert’s only Acknowledged Child
Once again, a fairly solid list, Quinn. No notes. :)
Realistically, he has to cut the pov characters down to 7-10 by the end of winds, if he ever hopes to even have a chance at finishing the story.
So the better question is, which 10-13 characters should Martin off in winds, not which character should he add.
Thoros of myr is a good choice for a pov from the lady stoneheart plot being a character we’ve had since book one and someone who now doesn’t like the direction the brotherhood has taken
Great vid once again! Small correction (11:09) - Aegon V is not half Blackwood, he marries one (Betha Blackwood) and therefore his kids are half Blackwoods. Aegon V is actually half Dayne as Maekar I’s wife was a Dayne.
A Ramsay POV would probably be my 1st pick.
Val is another choice, considering Jon is dead and Melisandre is a weird choice for a POV character.
Denys Mallister is at the Shadow Tower, not Hardhome. Its cotter Pyke on the expedition writing to Jon. Makes sense too, the iron islander was given command of the naval base
I would love to see a Stannis POV someday. Every decision he makes puts a weight on him, and seeing how it affected his thoughts would be amazing. All this Cressen and “peach” scenery would make a perfect saddest POV ever for the book
10:39 I dont think big walder is leading the northern force i think they described his armor which is standard frey armor and since thats the only time weve heard it described people have equated that to big walder leading the troops which is nonsensical big walder is a valuable hostage and a child still i doubt he would lead a charge which is an honor
I would like a pov on what's happening in hardhome.
Obviously we all want a Howland Reed POV, but aside from that as a Manderly fan I’d love a Wyman Manderly POV. Likely not a necessary POV but I’d still love it regardless. Maybe he could be Rickon’s hand or he could rule in Rickon’s stead until he comes of age.
Cotter Pyke too would be a great POV. An interesting character in a very interesting situation. Although I like the creepy letter and sometimes not seeing something is more interesting than actually seeing it.
I really don’t see the Hound coming back into the story. His story arc is perfect and should be left alone.
I’d definitely be interested in a Val POV. She’s a really interesting character and I’d love to see more from her.
A Ghost/Jon POV has to happen. It’s way too interesting an idea to not do. The idea of Jon realising he was murdered and what’s happening while in Ghost sounds so good.
Brilliant, Quinn! Hesitated to watch bc of his no new viewpoints statements, but you explain how he’s shattered such a promise before!
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I agree, Willas in my #1 as well and \i was actually shocked to hear that Martin said he won't add new PoVs becuase WIllas always seemed a certain future PoV to me.
I like this video. Great idea
Even though there's the rule of "No Schemers" for POV, as it would spoil too many things, I think it's time to introduce Varys as a POV, since his scheme of putting Young Griff on the throne is coming to an end. He is an Enigma, it would be fascinating to see who the real Varys is and what was his motivation - similar to Mellisandre's POV. It would also give us more insight in to what was happening behind closed doors that lead us to where we are now.
I’d really like to see Thoros honestly
Brown Ben Plumm would be a good one. Olenna Tyrell is a really good one, though. . .
Satin! my favorite Fboy of the series.
Illyn Payne Viewpoint would be cool
Oh man, as soon as this video popped up, I immediately thought of Willas Tyrell. He’ll be running Highgarden as the war heads south, making key decisions without full understanding of the nefarious circumstances unveiling around him.
Great minds, etc
Id like to finally get griff's POV
Imo, Sandor Clegane as a POV character now that is the gavekeeper of the silent isle, would be truly wonderful. Why? To see the POV of low class, peasant society of westeros (yes, I know Davos wasn't always a noble, but his viewpoint is to tell the perspective of Stannis and he is hand of the king). Martin has established that he would like to cover more of the story of the common westerosi, and to see how the people of the most destroyed and harassed area of the war have been affected by the game of thrones of the high class, would be really remarkable and useful.
- As you have said in the video Val's viewpoint would be lovely, specially as you have said to tell the story of the wall and the free folk once Jon leaves or to tell the story of Jons perspective once he is resurrected. Also because my favourite ship is her with Jon.
- Finally, a Tyrell (Olenna or Willas, but Mace would be extremely funny and interesting as to see how dumb he is and how he messes up with Storm's End and Faegon). We know the tyrells are going to suffer in this book: Margeary probably will die once Faegon conquers Kingslanding (or made hostage), Mace will be defeated by faegon and by the treason of the friends the later has in the Reach (Tarly, Peake), their lands being harassed and pillaged by the Greyjoys. I want to see how this house mostly collapses and try to face its problems
I’d say Loras Tyrell is in a good viewpoint position! Being the current major character on Dragonstone, he’s got enough personal drama to fuel chapters while also being in a very plot relevant location to reveal stuff. And, given his potentially maiming and position on the Kingsguard, he’s got some strong mirroring going on with Jaime and could give us hints on Tyrell schemes without showing their full hand.
Can’t wait for Hodor I (it’s just a dozen pages of Hodor)
I think a Thorne POV would be cool, maybe as a prologue/epilogue. My idea would be that he returns after Jon's assassination and flips his lid because even if he hated Jon it was still treachery.
Now that I think about it, Val would be a pretty awesome viewpoint for Jon's story (although I'm pretty sure a resurrected Jon will be his own viewpoint).
I want a Justin Massey POV. See him traipsing around Essos recruiting mercenaries and then coming back to find Stannis dead, would be a neat way to keep the readers abreast of everything in the Free Cities now we don’t have JonCon/Quentyn/Tyrion to clue us in. Especially if Dany attacks Volantis.
Love this!!
Ser Pounce!!!
I hope we get a time jump in the next one. Maybe Bran spends too long in the tree inheriting its knowledge and observing all of the events as they happen. Would be a great way to get an interesting look into some of the younger kids like Rickon and Edric
Personally my favorite suggestion for a really great ending Gravedigger epilogue chapter if Arya dies and wargs in Nymeria where the wolf-Arya walks up and nods at him. Both warriors and their post death lives meeting physically aware/or unaware to the context
i would love to see a blackfish pov chapter, especially if it confirmed the jeyne westerling switch theory. but also because i love the tullys and would love another pov character from that house, and blackfish is a pretty cool dude
God I want to see Jon's pov
We’ll need a viewpoint in Winterfell. Either Barbrey Ryswell-Dustin or Wyman Manderly would be interesting.
5:12 and 12:57 I unironically think that Garlan would make a great Tyrell POV, because he is by and large still a mystery to the audience, helped by that he is not on the show, it would give GRRM full freedom to explore the politics of the reach, Euron, Young Griff and so on. Also the freedom of being the second son could ensure his story was very flexible in terms of what he could do. Whereas Olena would in many ways feel trapped by audience expectations as well as her knowing and planning to much that it could come off as kind of a spoiler.
It would be nice to have a POV from the Vale, being the only one of the kingdoms left without one.
My personal choice is Tyene Sand, the Sand Snake who’s undercover as a septa in KL. We could see the Bobby Strong duel and reveal from his perspective than see her potentially killing Tommen to avenge his sister
Isn't Egg half Dayne, not Blackwood? He MARRIED a Blackwood though
I hope that if any new POV character is introduced, it's role should serve to resolve one of the current conflicts in the series. TWOW should resolve the groundwork laid by Feast and Dance, then Dream should be entirely centered around Danny's conquest and the Others invasion.
Howland Reed 👌👌
Full support behind Satin ❤
We need a viewpoint character with Myrcella Baratheon and the Sand Snakes going with her to KL. I would also appreciate a Val or Satin perspective. Big Walder is going to be the only Frey left. I don't think he would be a good POV, though.
Also, if Loras Tyrell is maimed in some way (people speculate he will loose hi good looks), I would love to see his thoughts, so potentially, if the Knight of Flowers undergoes a tragedy, I would like his as a POV.
I think the Hound falling back into his violent ways after his new mentors are slaughtered is a very great choice narratively. A lot of people give it shit, but I think Sandor having a failed character arc could be very tragic and powerful, especially if he reunites with Arya similar to the show, with his failed arc being pivotal to her redemption.