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I think Palpatine's downfall was overlooking that family was always important to Anakin. Fear of losing wife brought him to the darkside and the desire to save his son brought him back to the lightside.
I'd never really seen it as damage. I just thought Han Solo hit a manual button on it, and Fett was thrown off balance. But yes, still very possible he got out.
You could tell that Palpatine was afraid of Vader. Look at how clunky Vader's suit was. He wanted to restrict him as much as he could. What he failed to realize is that Vader cared more about his family. Just because he was a Sith Lord doesn't mean that he didn't have his morals. He killed a whole race because they hurt his mom. He joined the Sith because he was afraid of losing Padme.
Oliver Fachiri Scared of what he could become, not of what he was. He had potential, but ultimately lost most of it when he was cut down and thrown into a hand-me-down suit. "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!" - Darth Sidious
tronald dump Darth Trumpicus, my Lord, you've Successfully taken over the Galaxy, and now,your going to ReOrganize the United States of America into the First Galactic Empire...
he could have been far more, if they would have just cloned him, took the clone's arms and put them on vader = more living material = more power in the force. Instead of a life support system, he would wear a exo- skeleton
The fact that sidious put him in a suit susceptible to force lightning just proves how cautious and even scared he might’ve still been of Anakin Skywalker
william kinlan because Vader is. did you see him in rebels? the new comics? Rogue one? I'm glad Disney and Marvel are showing him strong. I didn't like how the old regime spoke about him being weak and such things. Make him badass the way he's supposed to be.
Vader could of been independent! Vader is extremely smart.. If he wasn’t smart and cunning he wouldn’t of been as much of a problem for palpatine to replace.. Vader had extremely good survival skills also.. do you know anything about Vader?
liked the video but you missed the point. palpatine could see into the future. when he said he would train Anakin in the dark side of the force, he never meant he would he would work on saber work or lightning, he trained him with the suit he placed him in. he trained him by locking him into his own private prison, sealed away from the love of his wife and children. everything that drove him to the dark side, saving what he loved most, was taken from him, causing him to hate himself, and everything he had become. constant pain, self loathing, self hatred, his loss of humanity, that was his training. palpatine created the most powerful sith Lord in centuries.
Bozzy Snopps Vader didn’t need lightning, he was a Juggernaught. His force shield could stop heavy repeaters, lightsabers, and even many smaller arms detonations, and his grip was absurd... able to pull jedi into the path of his blade, rather than actually needing to keep pace with a faster enemy.
Darth Sidious was wrong, thinking he could see into the future. With every single, actually insignificant detail that was preserved, he lost more sight of what was to come and fell into more ruin of what seemed to be coming. When he said to Master Yoda, "Your arrogance blinds you Master Yoda," he assumed that this was so because he assumed that he was feeling himself. And his arrogance was ultimately what brought him down. Assuming the arrogance he could see the future, which is known to be in constant motion. After all, he didn't see that Vader was going to kill him. He saw this blurred, but could not interpret it correctly. That one thing in the future, which was probably set in stone as a logical certainty in every single option of putting the moving parts together, determined his actions regarding the way he dealt with Vader. But that one thing right under his nose was also what shows how much his arrogance was deceiving him. Weakness. At the very last moment, when it was too late, Sidious realized that he had been fooling himself.
James Wellington True, even severely injured and encased in a limited suit, Anakin became one of the most powerful Sith ever. You gotta fear a man who can overcome being crippled and burned alive.
1- He's pretty much fully trained as a Jedi. Jedi and Sith undergo lots of similar training, at least as far as combat and force powers go. Anakin was only lacking in the super advanced techniques. 2- Being a cyborg, Anakin can't use Force lightning, as that would fry his suit and kill him. 3- Darth Vader did get trained. He used a technique called Dun Moch, which specializes in demoralizing enemies and driving them to rage, against Luke in both his duels. Plus there was the fact that there's about 20 years of time that we don't see, so we can safely assume at some point that Vader got some training in. I personally still think Anakin was the Chosen One, as he brings the Jedi to, essentially, two members, and the Sith at two members. We know that's not technically the case, but for all practical purposes, there was balance. And as for destroying the Sith, he does convert and then kill Palpatine, so prophecy fulfilled. I also buy into the notion that Palpatine intentionally handicapped Vader by giving him a bulky and unwieldy suit. It took quite a bit of time, but Vader did eventually master the suit. Given time, I think he could have found a way to defeat Palpatine even with it (and he does, when you think about it!). It might be Legends now, but Vader was actively searching for an apprentice, i.e. The Force Unleashed, his comments to Luke Skywalker after chopping his hand off, Shira Brie/Darth Lumiya, and the firmly non-canon Tao. Someone who trains apprentices isn't resigned to his own fate as an apprentice. A final comment, on Galen Starkiller Marek, I genuinely believed that Vader was training him as an apprentice for his own merit, and only turned on him when the Emperor found out and forced the issue. When Vader was shown that his apprentice wasn't quite up to snuff, then he resigned to using him as a tool to force out the rebels.
Pre-suit Anakin, or Darth Vader more correctly was pretty much the most powerful force-user ever (or one of them/on his way to become) but post-suit he became.. well... Yeah. With suit I'm certain Luke could become more powerful. Without though? Honestly really doubt Luke'd ever come close to him then.
That was Palatine's plan for killing Vader all along. Also if you read the Vader comics by Marvel (new canon) without spoiling too much, the suit is used to his disadvantage. Why force lighting wasn't used on him (other than when it kills him in RoJ), who would use it? There were only the two Sith.
Joshua Eastham, Mace Windu treated him like shit also and didn't promise him jack shit either. This is probably why Palpatine seized the opportunity to offer him so much pretension with dark side powers he was never actually planning to teach.
I think originally, Palpatine genuinely wanted Anakin (as Vader) to reach his full potential and surpass him, becoming the most powerful Sith ever known. However, Palpatine's plan was dismantled by Vader's defeat on Mustafar. Palpatine knew that because of his injuries, Vader could never attain the level of power he once could have. But Palpatine also recognized that Vader was still very strong in the force, despite his injuries. He saw that Vader could still be a useful tool in spreading fear of the Empire throughout the galaxy. He knew already that Vader was willing to do anything (including betraying all of his fellow Jedi, murdering his wife, and killing children) in order to attain greater power. So, Palpatine determined that keeping Vader alive could actually be worth it. The difference being that at this point Vader was just a weapon in Palpatine's arsenal, rather than a worthy apprentice who could actually overthrow the Emperor and become the ultimate Sith Lord.
I can agree with that but with a slight tweak. Im not sure that Palpatine in the end would ever want to be surpassed. As I do think he probably had something to do with Anakin's visions that lead him to the dark side. However I do think Palpatine was envious of the power Anakin/Vader could possess and saw it as intoxicating.
Darth J No Vader would never had killed his wife to attain more power. His act on Mustafar was a mistake, he never meant to really choke her. It was out of anger and be never wanted her to die. She died because of what anakin had become not of what he did to her.
despite his turning to the dark side and always having that darkness in him all along ...i feel bad for anakin and when he became vader as well for in both his jedi form and sith form he never felt true happiness
why did you repeat "choose someone quicker, and you won't be able to dodge the blade at your back" and "choose someone more patient, and you won't be able to dodge the blade at your throat"
Why can't they show us that in the movies? Vader's duel with Luke is now outdated to act as representation of his power (and he was already old at that time).
Mark-Angelo Famularcano That is true, but he makes a lasting impact in the film. go see it, in theatres, and enjoy not Hayden Christiansen and James earl jones.
Basliisk g They already have that. Its called Marvels Darth vader. Its about him facing the ramifications of The Death Star being destroyed and trying to prevent the emperor from replacing him.
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Okan Draman Sort of was by doing all the evil orders palpatine had him do and listening to the stories and teachings of the dark side through conversations in revenge of the sith
lol he was already almost on level with Mace and Yoda before he destroyed the Jedi academy. If he never got injured and just joined the dark side, he would have ended palapatine long ago.
Vader learned the hard way what many Jedi Masters already knew. The Sith do not share power and those who try are usually killed by those they intend on teaching. Just look at Sidious own example. Plagueis ultimate goal was to teach most of what he knew to Sidious, but in his greed Sidious was able to kill Plagueis by betraying him, and not by surpassing him. He believed himself already powerful enough and wise enough to simply kill his master and simply take the knowledge he had stored. But in the end Sidious himself was never able to duplicate Plagueis biggest achievements. In the EU we get a clear view as to why Sidious wanted Anakin as his apprentice. He knew that Anakin potential was much bigger than his own, and so he most likely sought to corrupt and eventually take Anakin body for himself. Using the Essence Transfer technique he had been able to master. But upon seeing what Anakin had allowed in his overconfidence to happen Anakin's body, his plans were thwarted. And so he left Vader to his own devices, most likely waiting for Vader to place himself in a position he would've eventually been killed and Sidious would've simply taken the chance to find another apprentice. But in that regard Anakin continously surprised Sidious by being able to survive despite Vader having no real reason to live except his own hatred. After all, for all intended purposes Anakin had lost his wife, his son, his friends, his piece of mind, even his own freedom. He had sacrificed everything in search for power, but power always eluded him. At least the power he so craved. And Sidious even made his life harder by in the end not really teaching him anything. In many ways Vader became even less than Maul or Dooku. Yes, he kept on surviving, but he also didn't gained that much. He could not save his wife, nor could he bring her back from the dead. He lost most of his body and couldn't repair it. He was stuck in that black coffin of a suit. A mere shadow of his former self and constantly in suffering. Not only because of what he had lost but also what he knew in his heart he'd never gain. He would always be Sidious inferior, and he knew that.
Dragonive hadn’t sidious designed that suit to hold him back make him extremely uncomfortable and weakened to force lightning on purpose sidious knew darth Vader could have destroyed him without even thinking about it that’s why he had so many things restricting him because he knew his anger would if he survived through all this would have quite possibly made him the most powerful sith of all time and in many ways he definitely was because he took out the Jedi and the sith to restore balance but Luke actually surpassed his father because he ended up with the same power but had learned so much more as a Jedi and didn’t let his anger get the best of him
If you read the old Darth Bane books you see that the whole point WAS for your apprentice to kill you in the end so that every generation the sith were stronger and each new sith is better then the last.
Vader could have actually learned to channel force lightning, but with a focused beam by merely modifying one of his prosthetic hands to house a kyber crystal.
I always assumed he didn't train Vader because Palpatine was full of shit. He promised he could teach him to use the force to save Padme but he never learned that trick from Pleagis. I just got the sense that he was lying to get Vader on his side and never intended to train him.
like most Sith who follow the rule of two, i think Palpatine had every reason to not make Vader any stronger in the Force than he was or else Vader would have taken his life as Palpatine did to Plagueis. That said, Vader's anger coupled with resentment and regret and perhaps guilt fed his desire to become what he is. While on screen, Vader may be the most iconic villain in cinematic history, personally, the more i look into how he became a Sith, it just seems very tragic and in many ways, I pity him.
I think i f Palpatine DID train Vader to his full extent, Vader would get angry at Palpatine for not teaching him more. Because Vader would probably have thought that he could have learned enough to conquer a galaxy, but he hasn't. Out of rage, Vader would kill his master, becoming the new Dark Lord.
@DOW777 Vader's armor is insulated against lightning after he makes adjustments to it. This is both EU and canonical information. Reason Palpatine's lightning killed him in Return of the Jedi is because the lightning now had a way in; the severed right hand and the exposed cybernetics.
Many people feel that if Anakin never lost his body and was 100% organic he would be extremely powerful with the Darkside. I do not agree. By losing pretty much everything, he was forced to train harder then ever did before, and as such I think that Cybernetic Vader would crush Organic Vader without much effort. The truth is, as a full bodied organic Anakin never took training serious, he "thought" he was better then everybody else so he never applied himself. I would argue that Organic Anakin only used 50% of his potential at any time and that 50% was good enough to beat all of his opponents. Cybernetic Vader used 100% of his ability and had to constantly think of new ways to beat his opponents to make up for his own shortcomings. This action made him far more powerful in the end.
TheTruthIsGonnaHurt True when he was 100% organic he never applied himself, but he had far more potential than bio mechanical Vader ever had. Anakin would become more and more ambitious until he dethroned Sidious. Which he would do after finding out that Darth Sidious did not know the secrets of the force he wanted to know
Vaders suit gave him a lot of weakness. Organic Vader had no weaknesses. The suit made him slow, constantly in pain(which was good to fuel the dark side but also distracting and harmful to his mental state) it also limited his abilities as the suit was extremely vulnerable to force lighting. Which is why he almost never used it. After more training organic Vader would have easily become the most power character in the franchise
Extreme effort to achieve stunted potential is not the same as natural effort for virtually limitless power in the force. Whether or not anakin would progress with the same try-hard personality, the canon was that "he would become more powerful than either Yoda or Palpatine". If it seemed he poured no effort into becoming the most powerful, lets not forget he was already the most powerful in his time, 3rd to Palpatine and Yoda. Obi wan only bested him because of his overall fighting experience and Anakin's mistake of arrogance.
“I can feel your anger” - creepy sidious Probably my favorite quote and scene from any film I’ve ever seen. He could survive for days using only his own hatred... that’s awesome.
That is what the prequels got wrong. he did not swoop in. From the very moment he saw Anakin and felt his power in Episode 1 he took it upon himself to be a mentor/father figure sorta like Obi but pretending to be understanding of Anakins troubles and slowly over the years twisting him. That being said when Palpatine revealed himself like he did in Ep 3 he knew he was still taking a big risk. But it was a long plot, not just swooping in. Prequels did not show that well.
oh man when I saw that! WOW! it was like watching a slasher movie. like seeing Jason Voorhees suddenly standing behind all the councilors in their cabin and then...HACK CHOP SLASH! it was like that...only I was even more scared! it was awesome! I felt like a little 3 year old child all over again! terrified of!...and fascinated with... Darth Vader, Lord of the Sith!
If the Palpatine trained Vader, he would have been dead long before the OT making Vader the Emperor of a greater Empire. I believe Vader would've held the Empire far stronger than Palpatine ever could, Palpatine was a genius at building an Empire but horrible at keeping it.
Anakin had no desire to rule only power and knowledge and those desires were transformed when he became Vader. He desired to make the galaxy in his image but didn't care what happened after or to sustain its everyday mechanisms. He needed Tarkin and the Emperor for that.
+Gibran Otway The fact that he tried to recruit Luke in the hopes of them both overthrowing the Emperor and bringing order to the galaxy kind of undermines that idea. Vader absolutely wanted to kill the Emperor- after all, this is the dick who lied to and manipulated him for decades and engineered the civil war he fought in, culminating in turning Anakin into a mass murderer who killed and betrayed everyone and everything he was ever loyal to-, he was just so ashamed of himself and so terrified of Palpatine that he didn't think he could do it on his own, and perhaps liked having Palpatine around to scapegoat his own personal problems ("I'm killing these people because My Master commands it"; "I can't overthrow the Emperor and make right what I've done- he is too powerful", etc.). But Anakin consistently believed in Order as the path to Peace, and the Empire was the tool for that, while at the same time recognising that Palaptine- whatever he said to the contrary- was not interested in either so much as he liked Power and the Dark Side, and was really little more than a psychopathic sadist who definitely did not have the best interests of the galaxy at heart. So, while Vader may not have "wanted" to rule the galaxy, he definitely thought that it would be better if he was in charge rather than Palpatine, even if he would acknowledge that Palaptine was a better politician than he. But he wanted revenge and he wanted Peace through Power, both of which meant he wanted the Emperor dead at his feet. The only problem was that the Emperor was too powerful and Vader felt too insecure- particularly when it came to the guy who played him like a fiddle his entire life and knew how to push every single one of his buttons-, so he kept biding his time / putting it off until the opportunity reared it's head in the form of Luke.
Looking at luke taking force lightning vs vader it seems quite obvious that vader is suceptable to its fully potency ..mabey a purposefully itended design flaw ? Vader would never survive a fight with Palpatine like ever.
Vader and Count Dooku were former Jedi trained since childhood in the ways of the force; including the path to the darkside. Surely sith holocrons would have been sufficient training? And if midichlorians are in blood cells; then Anakin's connection to the force as Vader should have been the same. Because properties within blood cells don't drop with the loss of limbs. That he now has 5.25 litres of blood instead of the usual 7 litres shouldn't make a difference; otherwise smaller species like Yoda would be very weak in the force.
The force is just as much as mental ability as it is a physical one and losing a limb and becoming utterly crippled is never something that is easy to come to terms with. I imagine it was his own thoughts that because he had lost his limbs, he would not be as strong because he lost his coordination and muscle memory. And Sith holocrons are hidden in Sith temples that require a master and an apprentice to access as seen in Rebels. So Palpatine probably refused to go with Vader to go get those holocrons because he knew that Vader could use them to train and become stronger than him.
You mean the guy that inefficiently let rebel soldiers bumble the Death Star plans out of his reach when he had them cornered and literally just needed to force grip a door fully closed?
yea alls he does is sit in chairs and tell other people what to do no need for a film plus im not really likeing the idea of films around just a charactor it makes everybody to grand and that they by the time we see them that they will have done film worthy stuff i liked han solo because in 4 you can get the idea that he has been in tought spots but nothing like the deathstar
Video suggestion: In A New Hope when Ben is fighting Vader, Darth Vader says to him: “you should not have come back.” But in Revwnge of the Sith Obiwan never went to the Death Star... can you do a vid about what Vader was referring too?
yea hes raw but i think yoda would have destroyed him with the force anakin always preferred to use a light saber over the force. notice he never used force lightning i think thats also why sidious would have beat him to.
the lightning is what killed him, you can hear the breathing apparatus struggling after. it just took a short time for them to fail. it's right there in the film, pay attention
BES T KAT people say he is extremely weak to force lightening but he managed to tank the same lightening that tossed mace out a window and knocked Luke on his ass, not to mention palpatine had god tier lightning, and he was missing a hand, I would say he is nearly resistant as a normal person since his suit had insulators, I think his missing hand also had a role
hullmees666 yes but the suit was insulated, he wast and idiot he knew he was going to have to fight palpatine one day if he wanted control, the fact that he lost a hand meant his suit had a breach letting the lightning fry his cybernetics, that and the fact that palpatines lightning has been shown to demolish small armies when he is actually trying
This is fascinating. I always wondered why sidious' and vaders' relationship didn't seem like a conventional master-apprentice type. Sidious was cunning as hell, how he ever lost is amazing to me. I wish Anakin had never turned. He might've been grandmaster of the jedi order one day.
Joseph Simpson yeah it's and excellent book, it can be a bit slow in my opinion but the parts where it does focus on Vader and palatine is amazing and it shows the power they both have
You actually did suggest a really cool movie idea here. I hope Disney picks up on it. The movie would be about Darth Vader's time just after becoming a Sith, all the people who came after him, who he had to conquer, his other trainers/other Sith he might have encountered etc. There is so much material there. They would need to do this soon while James Earl Jones can still do the voice.
This video sort of helps me understand your other video on Dooku's value to Sideous. Your description of Darth Vader actually makes him not all that different from Batman from The Dark Knight trilogy. Ultimately, as Darth Vader, he didn't need training w the lightsaber. If you actually pay attention to the fighting style of Anikan in Revenge of the Sith, he barely uses the blade w two hands. Lightsabers are specifically designed to be a two handed blade, which is pretty clear indicator that Anikan mastered the blade quicker than Luke for that matter. This also explains why when he attacked Luke before sending him to the bridge in The Empire Strikes Back that it's not just multitasking, but managing to hold his power in more way, maybe even amplifying it to three or four.
The force lightning of Sidius killed Vader. ... If they had fought, it would have been a very fast fight. ... Sidius would have easily won. ... The only reason Sidius was killed was because Sidius was caught off guard when Vader suddenly decided to save the life of Luke.
Michael Zoran I feel that is why Vader never dared rise against Sidious because Sidious was adept at Force Lightning which is Vader's biggest weakness. Starkiller clone in SWFU2 was able to beat him because he used lightning which fries Vaders cybernetics.
No, Vader literally cannot use "force lighting" because of his cybernetics. When he touched Palpatine (whilst Palpatine was using it on Luke), he knew the electricity would fry him, but he did it anyway to save Luke. As far as the other abilities, he's already a Jedi master with more sheer potential than Palpatine or Yoda. Palpatine said so himself during his duel with Yoda. Anakin did lose to Obi-Wan but we know it's because he was being pig-headed not because he was weaker. Remember, Anakin beat Dooku straight up, while Dooku beat Obi-Wan. The same Dooku that beat Obi-Wan+young Anakin together and fought Yoda to a draw.
I don't buy that argument that Vader is secretly stronger than Sidious in all areas of the Force except Force Lightning. He had no other way to stop Sidious from frying Luke? Whatever happened to Force Push? Force Grip? Lightsaber throw? If Sidious was truly outclassed by Vader in all other techniques at that point, being able to shoot electricity out of his fingers is not going to save him. I think Vader's dumb decision to get in the way of the electricity is just due to bad writing at the time, in addition to many bad writing in the OT only saved by the vast amounts of after-stories, fan support fueled by after stories and better writing of them.
triodesrbetter Dooku didn't fight Yoda to a draw. He held his ground for a very short period than ran away because he knew he couldn't keep up. Dooku also thought that their force abilities were equal, but he was wrong their too.
Joe Arnold Obi Wan was a top tier jedi for one thing, and knew Vader better than anyone as he literally trained him. The other Jedi were mostly not as powerful and were unfamiliar with Vader. Also, post-suit vader modified his fighting style specifically for dueling and killing Jedi. That, along with his cybernetic enhancements made him able to kill most Jedi with ease. That being said, there were still several powerful Jedi that put up a very hard fight, he wasn't able to utterly destroy them all the time, he still had to fight his hardest.
Jedis by the handful? Maybe I'm wrong but Vader only kills Obi Wan(who actually lets Vader kill him) and the Emperor(who was actually a Sith). And after Order 66 there was only Obi and Yoda left as Jedi, right?
@ Joe Arnold: yah its exaggerating bullshit. He has all these amazing abilities suddenly since the recent prequels. He's practically flying and somersaulting everywhere. This retcon crap is getting ridiculous. I never thought it was sensible that they made him so overpowered in the prequels when he goes from getting beat by Dooku then gets beaten by Kenobi at Mustafar then suddenly he's a little later he's unbeatable after all the debilitating injuries and can fight multiple force users/Jedi all at once? Doesnt make much sense even with saying the "dark side" magically improved his skills, which he then lost strangely in episodes 4-6. Just not a sensible escalation when ObiWan is basically portrayed as losing all his abilities from the prequel younger version of him to where in only 19+/- years he's so decrepit and has no abilities to leap long distances or manipulate objects with Force?? Never made any sense to me how ObiWan could age so rapidly when he is only 25 r something in episode 3 and he'd only be around 45 in episode 4...as is shown in other instances of Jedi,they age slowly and retain their youth and vigor. So how is ObiWan so aged and weak in so short a span of years? In the original trilogy Vader could barely fight Old Obi Wan and Luke alone beat him later. He hardly used any force pushing at all against people in the original trilogy,only moved inanimate objects.He could kinda slow his falls when he jumped down. Then in the retcon cartoons series and such he's(vader)Force throwing people everywhere constantly and practically flying around doing acrobatics and moving huge objects. lol ridiculous.
Jedi Master Bern Isanderus you are mistaken. I'm not even a lore guy and I know that what Vader did after the prequels was hunt down the surviving Jedi The very video you're commenting on talks about the time he killed eight at once
well it may not be a complete Darth Vader movie, but the new "Cannon" comics from marvel do shed some light on what he did after episode 3. how he obtains his crimson sith lightsaber, hunting down Jedi and how he fully uses his anger and rage. all in all his own comic is pretty dope in my opinion and shows you his journey to becoming a sith Lord
Palpatine could have cared less about the 'Rule of Two' he gave it lip service but based on his actions he draws intense parallels to Emperor Vitiate in a way he intended to live forever as a "one sith" and every other dark sided user regardless of the Darth title or not were just pawns to get him to eternal life.
I think your forgetting that Palpatine was training/grooming Vader from childhood. He was pretty much bending him to have Sith ideals throughout his entire life
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I think Sidious was scared as well. Vader or Anikin was the most powerful force user to ever live, but his arrogance and anger got in the way of his true ability to wield it. After actually becoming vader and the burns he got, it set him back. But I do believe Vader could have killed Sidious but is hateard for him self made me sorta stay under Sidious thumb, kind of like 'Im a horrible person, I deserve this'.
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I always saw Vader more as an experiment for Sidious than a true apprentice. Sid was curious what he could do but was really hoping for someone to overcome and thus replace Vader
I think one bit of training worth mentioning is the training regimen by Palpatine, which is alluded to in "The Book of Sith", in which Palpatine attempted to mould Vader into a figure much like Darth Malgus, whom Palpatine seemed to see as a possible Sith "role model" for Vader, since Malgus and Vader shared many parallel traits.
I personally feel that Palpatine was afraid of Vader, thus not training him. Palpatine saw himself being in power for a long time, thus hoping to take Luke as his own.
I always was suspicious at the Emperor to get rid of Vader. He was so keen to win Luke as Apprentice and to convince him to claim his fathers place on the Emperor’s side. And that was one of the steps to the decision Vaders to kill the Emperor. Beside a few others of course.
Vader's powers were limited from what they originally were but not completely because of the injuries he suffered on Mustafar. Palpatine surmised that his affliction was more psychological than physical........yes he lost limbs and his flesh was badly damaged but the midichlorian count in his remaining cells hadn't diminished. He never came to terms with the mistakes of his life, the lost of Padame, and the injuries he suffered. To prove my point if you read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction in his early years in the Army of Darkness at the Korriban Academy Bane was training to be Sith. In a sparing match with another student he was defeated and humiliated his confidence took a huge blow and as a result his strength in the force had waned. It wasn't until he took private lessons from the instructor and started studying Sith lore and history that he regained his confidence. The next match he bested and overpowered the same opponent. Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful force sensitive in history Jedi or Sith and Palpatine knew this, that's why he was careful to limit his training and purposefully keep him weaker. Palpatine also routinely used Dun Möch on Vader as another way of continuing the psychological damage.........messing with his head to make him question and doubt ever challenging him even though Palpatine knew that was the foundation of The Rule of Two. One to be the embodiment of power and the other to crave it..........the apprentice was eventually suppose to rise up and challenge his master for the mantle of Dark Lord leading to an increasingly stronger line of Sith Lords. Palpatine wanted all that to end with him and wouldn't allow anyone to rival him. Vader was never more than a tool for Palpatine his injuries just made him easier to control.
One thing I liked was in the book of the Sith palpatine says he gave Darth Vader records of Darth Malgus's journal from the great galactic war and the sacking of coruscant, hoping Vader might take some inspiration from the similarities he shared with Malgus
Nah, I don't think this was the reason. I'd rather think, Vader had'nt had found a good reason to overthrown Sidous. He still had work that needed to be done. But I think, ather the Empire would have defeaded the Rebell Aliance, Sidious time had been come to an end.
Josh Eastham he was definitely the most powerful put of all of them. He killed the emporer, a feat that only two others came close to doing, neither one being luke
Palpatine withheld training to keep himself in power and alive for as long as possible. To have taught Darth Vader more about the Sith and the Dark Side with have only taken years off his own life. The greatest thing Palpatine withheld from Vader was the secret of Transferring someone's essence into a clone of their own body. Palpatine stole this technique from a fallen Jedi and used it to transfer his own essence into a clone of himself. He could have taught Vader this or even done it to him and put Vader's essence into a clone body restoring him with limbs and freeing him of his pain. Palpatine did this seven times to Bevel Lemelisk, an engineer and architect who designed the Death Star, after he had him tortured as punishment for flaws in his design and running behind Palpatine's demanding schedule.
I believe Palpatine was prepared to properly train him after the rise of the Empire based on how he stated his confidence about Vader’s future in Ep3, but since his force potential was greatly diminished, so he thinks it’s not possible to teach him the real stuff like the Sith magics and alchemy. He doesn’t need to train Vader lightsaber combat, and other basic force powers, he’s already an expert in it, all there is left to teach is Sith sorcery. And Palpatine once thought what truly held Vader down is his conflicted mental condition deep down, he’s only 99.99% immersed in the dark side, he just couldn’t be 100% devoted to it, Palpatine has been constantly trying fill up that 0.01% by pushing Vader over the edge, he’s not gonna teach him anything before breaking that mental barrier of his.
Cookie Gaming I haven't seen Rogue One yet but I will Tuesday since I'm on vacation & 1nce I get back, my brother, dad & I will go see it that morning right when the theatre's open & 1nce it ends we're gonna go grab a bite to eat then head back to the house b4 my brother has to go pickup his daughter from school
Since Palpatine designed Darth Vader' s armor to be vulnerable to force lighting assuring Darth Vader would never try to overthrow his master. Why didn't Darth Vader designed his own suit of armor capable of combating force lighting. Let us not forget when Anakin Skywalker was a child slave he was very intelligent in robotics and cybernetics.
Anakin was born of the Force through immaculate conception & was a power unto himself. A child brought up in slavery. Sidious could have taught him more of the dark mystic stuff & diplomacy. But as far as fighting goes, light or dark side he was already well experienced through countless battles. He had already become powerful enough to slay Count Dooku, who was a powerful duelist, Vader knew how to fight, He just had to adjust to His new body by refocusing. Reminds me of Def Leppard's drummer who lost his arm, He didn't quit. He grabbed his drum tech and dived into the studio, and refocused His technique
onemadhungrynomad yes and no you see sidious survived... if u can call spirit transfer surviving.. but u make a good point funny how after all the effort sidious goes to in order to hinder vader he still kills him anyway lols
I've always looked at it like Anakin was the prize he wanted, he had to settle for vader. All the pieces came together in Revenge of the Sith, Sidius grand scheme paid off... yet Anakin was a failed prospect. There was no one left for Sidius to gain at this point, so he settled for an enforcer rather than a successor. I think Anakin also realized this, that after he killed all those jedi and turned to the dark side, he was no longer what Sidius wanted. He was deformed, weaker than before and killed the one thing that drove him to want to be stronger. Maul was also his original apprentice, but Maul as Sidius had pointed out has become a rival. Maul on his own, survived being cut in half and survived a fall that would kill any other. Everything you stated for Vader in this video is actually Maul's development. However he would never be loyal to Sidius again. He would kill him the first chance he got. So yeah, pre-vader, Sidius was so excited for Anakin to be his apprentice, even revealing himself and putting himself at great risk. After Vader... wtf, this thing is a huge disappointment. I wouldn't be surprised if Ezra meets the emperor at some point and gets tempted. That could be the thing that causes Vader to realize he's no longer needed or wanted and has him try to recruit his son.
Every time i hear Mustafar, I laugh as I have a friend with the same name & his parent are not star wars fans. Edit: did a check it's Arabic and it means "The Chosen One". Now I'm not too sure if it's a random coincident. Edit2: Movie "you were the chosen one" to Anakin in Mustafar... and "the chosen one" is "Mustafa" in arabic... Edit3: Al- Jeddi mean mystic warrior WTF o_0 Edit4: Yoda might be based on this dude > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr
tiestofalljays I found another thing out Yoda is based on this guy who (known as the green one) tells mosses he has no patience www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095403140
I think Palpatin knew Vader was far more powerful than him, so he made Vader's suit purposely with a flaw, and refuse to train him to keep power over the Empire himself.
Mr Sister Fister That's debatable. Maybe I'm biased because I love Vader in Star wars, but I think he had more potential but was held back due to Palpatine. Just my opinion. Anyways, I hope you and your family have a great holiday.
His rage and pain made what he had mastered more powerful. Amplified. The emperor clearly had broader powers. But Vader's depth made him powerful in a way not even the emperor could experience. He was right to be afraid of Vader. Sidious knew that If Vader ever turned his rage back on him .... for any reason ...he might win. That's why he kept him "distracted" and always hunting Obi Wan. There was a scene cut from the original Return of the Jedi where Vader returns to the death star is is barred from seeing the emperor. While I'm sure that was an effort to exercise his authority over Vader...denying him access..., he may also have felt the conflict growing in Vader that ultimately ended his life.
Anakin Skywalker is always quickly evolving, this is his unique ability. With all that has happened to Anakin' nothing has stopped him, not Darth Tyranus, not OB1 Kenobi, not Darth Sidious, not Darth Vader, and not Luke Skywalker. Only Anakin defeated Darth Sidious, overcame Darth Vader, and saved Luke Skywalker. Anakin was always there' Darth Vader couldn't exist otherwise. It was Luke's purpose to remind his father of who he is' then Anakin did what he intended to do when Palpatine first revealed to Anakin that he is a Sith lord. From Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader' Anakin never stopped quickly evolving, achieving in weeks what would take other species' including his own' hundreds of years to reach, if at all. As Darth Vader' Anakin's ability to quickly evolve has grown in cosmic proportions! He has overcome all of his battle sown handicaps and mastered the Force' same as Revan did before him. Even Darth Vader said' the power of the death star is nothing compared to the Force. That in the Force and with the Force' and Anakin's ability to quickly evolve' Anakin Skywalker can do anything. Anakin became a force ghost without any training from Qui-gon Jinn and Yoda' because of his ability to quickly evolve.
Choose someone who repeats themselves and you will suffer from deja vu.
MrTudenom lol
MrTudenom lmao
Hah nice
*Tudenom* LMFAO!!
You just made my day better instead of crying cuss I’m bleeding out my ass hole from Taco Bell’s food, now I’m laughing and bleeding out my ass so thank u
Palpatine certainly was afraid of Vader. I think he refused to train Vader so he would not reveal any weaknesses Vader could use against him.
TheRomanRuler truee
Ultimately Palpatine's downfall was himself; his faith in his apprentice
Probably figured that as per the Sith way, he'd eventually take him over!
he had a good run as was
I think Palpatine's downfall was overlooking that family was always important to Anakin. Fear of losing wife brought him to the darkside and the desire to save his son brought him back to the lightside.
I definitely want to see a Vader movie, I want to watch him hunt Jedi
+Vengeful Knight Fetts dead
yep. not to mention he could have easily jetpacked his way out of something that takes 10000 years to digest you
I'd never really seen it as damage. I just thought Han Solo hit a manual button on it, and Fett was thrown off balance. But yes, still very possible he got out.
He got out in the old canon.
Howitzer933 me too
they should make a Netflix Series about Vader after Revenge of the Sith!That would be sick!
Giray Torun we already have the comics that tell us what happened. So it’s not needed but would be hella appreciated
You mean Disney+ series 😂🤣😂
There’s a movie called rouge one
@@emperorpalpatine6500 yeah but there was only 2 short scenes with Vader
@@iankennedy2592 Man Netflix isnt allowed to say the word Star Wars.
You could tell that Palpatine was afraid of Vader. Look at how clunky Vader's suit was. He wanted to restrict him as much as he could. What he failed to realize is that Vader cared more about his family. Just because he was a Sith Lord doesn't mean that he didn't have his morals. He killed a whole race because they hurt his mom. He joined the Sith because he was afraid of losing Padme.
And in the end he still lost her. All from his own actions and fears.
That nigga litteraly killed children what morals
R Terrell I mean it was justified. If someone killed my mom I’d wipe out their entire bloodline. Lol
and yet palpatine thought he could kill vaders son in front of him Xdd
ForeverRanger 91 lol he didn’t kill an entire race. He killed a small village of Tusken Raiders.
Palps: "Lightning from your fingers is too cool to share, Anakin" 👌 Anakin: "No, it's not FAIR! I HATE YOU! I HATE SAND!"
Omg lol. Thanks for the laugh Geert.
Palpatine used Force sand to torture Vader
he secretly put bits of sand in his suit to make him uncomfortable
fusiontoa18 I KNEW IT!!!
Geert Matthys Palpatine looks like valak a little bit
Sidious was scared
Oliver Fachiri FACTS
no he wasnr scared but he knew that he had far more potential
Oliver Fachiri Scared of what he could become, not of what he was. He had potential, but ultimately lost most of it when he was cut down and thrown into a hand-me-down suit.
"Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!" - Darth Sidious
Austin Chandler thats what he was saying
@PETER PAN No...he was 80 percent _of_ palpatine.
I wanna see a movie about him killing the remaining Jedi.
Only if its directed by Christopher Nolan xD
that would be awesome but the budget would be really high,as much as i like the starwars trilogy that might dwarf the rest of the films.
Would never fit into a movie, I propose a tv serial
Not Spiderman same
Force unleashed kinda movie
Vader is such an interessting character to talk about.
Big Bad Biker Nerd This is True, my young friend
He'd be more interesting if the prequels didn't suck, and I actually believed Vader was once a whiny, annoying bitch.
HORDE!
tronald dump Darth Trumpicus, my Lord, you've
Successfully taken over the Galaxy, and now,your going to ReOrganize the United States of America into the
First Galactic Empire...
he could have been far more, if they would have just cloned him, took the clone's arms and put them on vader = more living material = more power in the force. Instead of a life support system, he would wear a exo- skeleton
The fact that sidious put him in a suit susceptible to force lightning just proves how cautious and even scared he might’ve still been of Anakin Skywalker
Maul Clone: What could you hate enough to destroy me?
Vader: Myself
everytime you make a video on Vader he becomes more of a badass
william kinlan
because Vader is. did you see him in rebels? the new comics? Rogue one? I'm glad Disney and Marvel are showing him strong. I didn't like how the old regime spoke about him being weak and such things. Make him badass the way he's supposed to be.
I have except rogue one I haven't seen it yet
Ok..I won't spoil. If I did, sorry.
but its made up ret conned stuff they added to the original movies
william kinlan the more you learn, the more you know
Rogue One was AWESOME!!!!!!!!! Anyone seen it yet?
TimeTravelPony pls no spoilers tickets all sold out in my cinema it's bullshit
Takahashi vader dies
TimeTravelPony it was great
Rogue One Sucks
It's not canon anyway in my opinion. Anything past Episode 6 and done by Disney is NON CANON in my eyes.
Vadar is badass as usual
Like a lot of bad schools, Vader was taught enough to do his job, but not enough to be independent. Palpatine became his pusher, in a sense.
That was one of the Jedis problems, they hated individuality.
He was also the master of form 69 which sidious feared
Awesome comment mate. The school analogy was everything 👍
He learnt to turn into a force ghost... but thats about it. Every could do it, vaders just shit
Vader could of been independent! Vader is extremely smart.. If he wasn’t smart and cunning he wouldn’t of been as much of a problem for palpatine to replace.. Vader had extremely good survival skills also.. do you know anything about Vader?
liked the video but you missed the point. palpatine could see into the future. when he said he would train Anakin in the dark side of the force, he never meant he would he would work on saber work or lightning, he trained him with the suit he placed him in. he trained him by locking him into his own private prison, sealed away from the love of his wife and children. everything that drove him to the dark side, saving what he loved most, was taken from him, causing him to hate himself, and everything he had become. constant pain, self loathing, self hatred, his loss of humanity, that was his training. palpatine created the most powerful sith Lord in centuries.
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And also no lightning because darth Vader didn’t have hands lol
The new marvel cannon is fire. He upgrades his suit and wrecks shit
Bozzy Snopps Vader didn’t need lightning, he was a Juggernaught. His force shield could stop heavy repeaters, lightsabers, and even many smaller arms detonations, and his grip was absurd... able to pull jedi into the path of his blade, rather than actually needing to keep pace with a faster enemy.
Darth Sidious was wrong, thinking he could see into the future. With every single, actually insignificant detail that was preserved, he lost more sight of what was to come and fell into more ruin of what seemed to be coming. When he said to Master Yoda, "Your arrogance blinds you Master Yoda," he assumed that this was so because he assumed that he was feeling himself. And his arrogance was ultimately what brought him down. Assuming the arrogance he could see the future, which is known to be in constant motion. After all, he didn't see that Vader was going to kill him. He saw this blurred, but could not interpret it correctly. That one thing in the future, which was probably set in stone as a logical certainty in every single option of putting the moving parts together, determined his actions regarding the way he dealt with Vader. But that one thing right under his nose was also what shows how much his arrogance was deceiving him. Weakness. At the very last moment, when it was too late, Sidious realized that he had been fooling himself.
So Palpatine was afraid of Anakin all the time...
Makes sense, he was destine to become the most powerful force user in the galaxy. It's a real shame.
James Wellington True, even severely injured and encased in a limited suit, Anakin became one of the most powerful Sith ever. You gotta fear a man who can overcome being crippled and burned alive.
James Wellington no its not.
Yes he was. He was destined to become the most powerful force user to ever live and to set balance to the force.
yup and props to palpy for manipulating that power until the last few minutes of his life
1- He's pretty much fully trained as a Jedi. Jedi and Sith undergo lots of similar training, at least as far as combat and force powers go. Anakin was only lacking in the super advanced techniques.
2- Being a cyborg, Anakin can't use Force lightning, as that would fry his suit and kill him.
3- Darth Vader did get trained. He used a technique called Dun Moch, which specializes in demoralizing enemies and driving them to rage, against Luke in both his duels. Plus there was the fact that there's about 20 years of time that we don't see, so we can safely assume at some point that Vader got some training in.
I personally still think Anakin was the Chosen One, as he brings the Jedi to, essentially, two members, and the Sith at two members. We know that's not technically the case, but for all practical purposes, there was balance. And as for destroying the Sith, he does convert and then kill Palpatine, so prophecy fulfilled.
I also buy into the notion that Palpatine intentionally handicapped Vader by giving him a bulky and unwieldy suit. It took quite a bit of time, but Vader did eventually master the suit. Given time, I think he could have found a way to defeat Palpatine even with it (and he does, when you think about it!). It might be Legends now, but Vader was actively searching for an apprentice, i.e. The Force Unleashed, his comments to Luke Skywalker after chopping his hand off, Shira Brie/Darth Lumiya, and the firmly non-canon Tao. Someone who trains apprentices isn't resigned to his own fate as an apprentice.
A final comment, on Galen Starkiller Marek, I genuinely believed that Vader was training him as an apprentice for his own merit, and only turned on him when the Emperor found out and forced the issue. When Vader was shown that his apprentice wasn't quite up to snuff, then he resigned to using him as a tool to force out the rebels.
2- seems like an obvious weakness that could easily be exploited. wonder why it hadn't been.
Don't know why but I think Anakin would've been the most strong Jedi, more powerful than Luke.
EMP anyone?
Pre-suit Anakin, or Darth Vader more correctly was pretty much the most powerful force-user ever (or one of them/on his way to become) but post-suit he became.. well... Yeah. With suit I'm certain Luke could become more powerful. Without though? Honestly really doubt Luke'd ever come close to him then.
That was Palatine's plan for killing Vader all along. Also if you read the Vader comics by Marvel (new canon) without spoiling too much, the suit is used to his disadvantage. Why force lighting wasn't used on him (other than when it kills him in RoJ), who would use it? There were only the two Sith.
poor anakin making friends with palpatine and seeing him as a role model, then getting crippled and treated like shit by his role model
Joshua Eastham, Mace Windu treated him like shit also and didn't promise him jack shit either. This is probably why Palpatine seized the opportunity to offer him so much pretension with dark side powers he was never actually planning to teach.
He should of went Kylo Ren and killed his master....He would be the most powerful.
Bait and switch.
Kind of like don't get close to your heroes? It only screwed him
Never meet your heroes
I think originally, Palpatine genuinely wanted Anakin (as Vader) to reach his full potential and surpass him, becoming the most powerful Sith ever known. However, Palpatine's plan was dismantled by Vader's defeat on Mustafar. Palpatine knew that because of his injuries, Vader could never attain the level of power he once could have. But Palpatine also recognized that Vader was still very strong in the force, despite his injuries. He saw that Vader could still be a useful tool in spreading fear of the Empire throughout the galaxy. He knew already that Vader was willing to do anything (including betraying all of his fellow Jedi, murdering his wife, and killing children) in order to attain greater power. So, Palpatine determined that keeping Vader alive could actually be worth it. The difference being that at this point Vader was just a weapon in Palpatine's arsenal, rather than a worthy apprentice who could actually overthrow the Emperor and become the ultimate Sith Lord.
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Darth J Palpatine is like a wife who just found out her husband's dick was cut off at work.
Herico love that's gay cuz they both boys and sith have a master that's all nothing left everything gone
I can agree with that but with a slight tweak. Im not sure that Palpatine in the end would ever want to be surpassed. As I do think he probably had something to do with Anakin's visions that lead him to the dark side. However I do think Palpatine was envious of the power Anakin/Vader could possess and saw it as intoxicating.
Darth J No Vader would never had killed his wife to attain more power. His act on Mustafar was a mistake, he never meant to really choke her. It was out of anger and be never wanted her to die. She died because of what anakin had become not of what he did to her.
despite his turning to the dark side and always having that darkness in him all along ...i feel bad for anakin and when he became vader as well for in both his jedi form and sith form he never felt true happiness
why did you repeat "choose someone quicker, and you won't be able to dodge the blade at your back" and "choose someone more patient, and you won't be able to dodge the blade at your throat"
Maybe Palpatine said it twice?
Chris Awesome I've noticed he sometimes repeats something like a broken record player in his videos. Maybe they are editing errors
Yeah haha, that was weird
Chris Awesome I peeped too, I was like whaaa.?
it's a Jedi mind trick
Vader is a freaking badass
Why can't they show us that in the movies? Vader's duel with Luke is now outdated to act as representation of his power (and he was already old at that time).
Mark-Angelo Famularcano Dude. Watch Rogue One
Haven't seen it yet. But I heard Vader was barely in the movie. I don't know, we'll see.
Mark-Angelo Famularcano That is true, but he makes a lasting impact in the film. go see it, in theatres, and enjoy not Hayden Christiansen and James earl jones.
bruh Vader looked like a god for a moment in R1
now im really interested in seeing a one off Darth Vader movie set in between a new hope and empire ....
Basliisk g imagine a movie that was all about Vader adapting to his suit and hunting down the Jedi
Matthew Reynolds made by George Lucas and Steven Spielberg Darth Vader a movie of badassery
Basliisk g They already have that. Its called Marvels Darth vader. Its about him facing the ramifications of The Death Star being destroyed and trying to prevent the emperor from replacing him.
ya but thats NOT on the big screen;)
Basliisk g True, idk whats left to tell of him being honest I would like to see them make something for sure.
If every Sith held back something from their students then there's a lot of lost Sith knowledge.
What if Palpatine had trained Lord Vader....?
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Great video. I'm about to watch rouge one in about 1 hour
BabyCena already watched it is amazing
Bantaboy 967 so true
BabyCena wait until you see what Vader does....amazing!
Bantaboy 967 nice what would rate it
SW-101 I'm just hoping that the put him in a lot unlike SS when they only put the joker in for 5 minutes
He didn't need to be trained, he was already a battle tested Jedi and his anger made him even stronger
Jeff Pride well he wasn't really trained in the Dark Side.
Okan Draman Sort of was by doing all the evil orders palpatine had him do and listening to the stories and teachings of the dark side through conversations in revenge of the sith
lol he was already almost on level with Mace and Yoda before he destroyed the Jedi academy. If he never got injured and just joined the dark side, he would have ended palapatine long ago.
One can never learn enough. Someone who think they have learned 'enough' in reality know nothing.
but he never really officially became a jedi, did he?
Vader learned the hard way what many Jedi Masters already knew. The Sith do not share power and those who try are usually killed by those they intend on teaching. Just look at Sidious own example. Plagueis ultimate goal was to teach most of what he knew to Sidious, but in his greed Sidious was able to kill Plagueis by betraying him, and not by surpassing him. He believed himself already powerful enough and wise enough to simply kill his master and simply take the knowledge he had stored. But in the end Sidious himself was never able to duplicate Plagueis biggest achievements.
In the EU we get a clear view as to why Sidious wanted Anakin as his apprentice. He knew that Anakin potential was much bigger than his own, and so he most likely sought to corrupt and eventually take Anakin body for himself. Using the Essence Transfer technique he had been able to master.
But upon seeing what Anakin had allowed in his overconfidence to happen Anakin's body, his plans were thwarted. And so he left Vader to his own devices, most likely waiting for Vader to place himself in a position he would've eventually been killed and Sidious would've simply taken the chance to find another apprentice.
But in that regard Anakin continously surprised Sidious by being able to survive despite Vader having no real reason to live except his own hatred.
After all, for all intended purposes Anakin had lost his wife, his son, his friends, his piece of mind, even his own freedom. He had sacrificed everything in search for power, but power always eluded him. At least the power he so craved. And Sidious even made his life harder by in the end not really teaching him anything.
In many ways Vader became even less than Maul or Dooku.
Yes, he kept on surviving, but he also didn't gained that much. He could not save his wife, nor could he bring her back from the dead. He lost most of his body and couldn't repair it.
He was stuck in that black coffin of a suit. A mere shadow of his former self and constantly in suffering. Not only because of what he had lost but also what he knew in his heart he'd never gain.
He would always be Sidious inferior, and he knew that.
Dragonive hadn’t sidious designed that suit to hold him back make him extremely uncomfortable and weakened to force lightning on purpose sidious knew darth Vader could have destroyed him without even thinking about it that’s why he had so many things restricting him because he knew his anger would if he survived through all this would have quite possibly made him the most powerful sith of all time and in many ways he definitely was because he took out the Jedi and the sith to restore balance but Luke actually surpassed his father because he ended up with the same power but had learned so much more as a Jedi and didn’t let his anger get the best of him
If you read the old Darth Bane books you see that the whole point WAS for your apprentice to kill you in the end so that every generation the sith were stronger and each new sith is better then the last.
True... Still, I suspect, each and every Sith lord after Bane thought they should be (and were) the last, the culmination of the rule of two.
I don't think Vader was inferior to sidious regarding their power
The new offical cannon by disney and marvel he upgrades his suit gets his potential and wrecks shit. Eu thankfully is no longer cannon
Short version, Palpatine looked at Vader and said, "Ain't nobody got time for that."
Vader could have actually learned to channel force lightning, but with a focused beam by merely modifying one of his prosthetic hands to house a kyber crystal.
I always assumed he didn't train Vader because Palpatine was full of shit. He promised he could teach him to use the force to save Padme but he never learned that trick from Pleagis. I just got the sense that he was lying to get Vader on his side and never intended to train him.
like most Sith who follow the rule of two, i think Palpatine had every reason to not make Vader any stronger in the Force than he was or else Vader would have taken his life as Palpatine did to Plagueis. That said, Vader's anger coupled with resentment and regret and perhaps guilt fed his desire to become what he is. While on screen, Vader may be the most iconic villain in cinematic history, personally, the more i look into how he became a Sith, it just seems very tragic and in many ways, I pity him.
I agree.
The fact the Palpatine had created several clone versions of himself makes it clear he did not want to be succeeded.
Shahbaz Ahmed Alvi Thus Vader destroyed him, the fact that he was trying to kill his son Luke helped.
Shahbaz Ahmed Alvi That's not canon anymore though.
3:50 Did you intend to repeat yourself?
He was scared and didn't want to die that's why he did not train him
3:49-4:03 was there a point to repeating those lines twice?
butters742 he only repeated them once
championdesigns he meant saying those words twice
Dude I thought I was tripping again 😂
I think i f Palpatine DID train Vader to his full extent, Vader would get angry at Palpatine for not teaching him more. Because Vader would probably have thought that he could have learned enough to conquer a galaxy, but he hasn't. Out of rage, Vader would kill his master, becoming the new Dark Lord.
Dark Lord? What is this? LotR? :D
No, Vader dies after 1 second of *force lightning... this video is stupid.
@DOW777 Vader's armor is insulated against lightning after he makes adjustments to it. This is both EU and canonical information. Reason Palpatine's lightning killed him in Return of the Jedi is because the lightning now had a way in; the severed right hand and the exposed cybernetics.
Just when you thought Vader couldn't get any more badass...
Many people feel that if Anakin never lost his body and was 100% organic he would be extremely powerful with the Darkside.
I do not agree. By losing pretty much everything, he was forced to train harder then ever did before, and as such I think that Cybernetic Vader would crush Organic Vader without much effort.
The truth is, as a full bodied organic Anakin never took training serious, he "thought" he was better then everybody else so he never applied himself. I would argue that Organic Anakin only used 50% of his potential at any time and that 50% was good enough to beat all of his opponents. Cybernetic Vader used 100% of his ability and had to constantly think of new ways to beat his opponents to make up for his own shortcomings. This action made him far more powerful in the end.
TheTruthIsGonnaHurt True when he was 100% organic he never applied himself, but he had far more potential than bio mechanical Vader ever had. Anakin would become more and more ambitious until he dethroned Sidious. Which he would do after finding out that Darth Sidious did not know the secrets of the force he wanted to know
Vaders suit gave him a lot of weakness. Organic Vader had no weaknesses. The suit made him slow, constantly in pain(which was good to fuel the dark side but also distracting and harmful to his mental state) it also limited his abilities as the suit was extremely vulnerable to force lighting. Which is why he almost never used it. After more training organic Vader would have easily become the most power character in the franchise
his suit alone blocked the fire and guns anyhow.
I really like these vision.
Extreme effort to achieve stunted potential is not the same as natural effort for virtually limitless power in the force. Whether or not anakin would progress with the same try-hard personality, the canon was that "he would become more powerful than either Yoda or Palpatine". If it seemed he poured no effort into becoming the most powerful, lets not forget he was already the most powerful in his time, 3rd to Palpatine and Yoda. Obi wan only bested him because of his overall fighting experience and Anakin's mistake of arrogance.
“I can feel your anger” - creepy sidious
Probably my favorite quote and scene from any film I’ve ever seen. He could survive for days using only his own hatred... that’s awesome.
So Palpatine just used Anakin Skywalker to kill the Jedi?
JACOJE LYNX somehow yes
But remember that the clones were ordered and they outnumbered the Jedi .
Lupe Guido very true you're right
Yep!
Way to swoop in on the Jedis hard work of training him for two and a half decades only to take all that and reverse it on them.
That is what the prequels got wrong. he did not swoop in. From the very moment he saw Anakin and felt his power in Episode 1 he took it upon himself to be a mentor/father figure sorta like Obi but pretending to be understanding of Anakins troubles and slowly over the years twisting him. That being said when Palpatine revealed himself like he did in Ep 3 he knew he was still taking a big risk. But it was a long plot, not just swooping in. Prequels did not show that well.
after seeing rogue one, he dont need training lol
They captured the scene perfectly. Those rebels legitimately cowered in fear before he did anything. They probably heard all the stories.
Gabriel Carrasco. (Insert Imperial March here).
And then he went through them. Not like a derwish as the other prequels would have portrayed him but as an unstoppable juggernaut.
oh man when I saw that! WOW! it was like watching a slasher movie. like seeing Jason Voorhees suddenly standing behind all the councilors in their cabin and then...HACK CHOP SLASH! it was like that...only I was even more scared! it was awesome! I felt like a little 3 year old child all over again! terrified of!...and fascinated with... Darth Vader, Lord of the Sith!
He mowed them down. I like when he slashed that dude he had held on the ceiling. That was boss!
If the Palpatine trained Vader, he would have been dead long before the OT making Vader the Emperor of a greater Empire. I believe Vader would've held the Empire far stronger than Palpatine ever could, Palpatine was a genius at building an Empire but horrible at keeping it.
Tom Barnes thanks for using "would've" correctly
victor martone "would've" is just a contraction for "would have" so it's not that hard.
Anakin had no desire to rule only power and knowledge and those desires were transformed when he became Vader. He desired to make the galaxy in his image but didn't care what happened after or to sustain its everyday mechanisms. He needed Tarkin and the Emperor for that.
+Gibran Otway The fact that he tried to recruit Luke in the hopes of them both overthrowing the Emperor and bringing order to the galaxy kind of undermines that idea. Vader absolutely wanted to kill the Emperor- after all, this is the dick who lied to and manipulated him for decades and engineered the civil war he fought in, culminating in turning Anakin into a mass murderer who killed and betrayed everyone and everything he was ever loyal to-, he was just so ashamed of himself and so terrified of Palpatine that he didn't think he could do it on his own, and perhaps liked having Palpatine around to scapegoat his own personal problems ("I'm killing these people because My Master commands it"; "I can't overthrow the Emperor and make right what I've done- he is too powerful", etc.).
But Anakin consistently believed in Order as the path to Peace, and the Empire was the tool for that, while at the same time recognising that Palaptine- whatever he said to the contrary- was not interested in either so much as he liked Power and the Dark Side, and was really little more than a psychopathic sadist who definitely did not have the best interests of the galaxy at heart.
So, while Vader may not have "wanted" to rule the galaxy, he definitely thought that it would be better if he was in charge rather than Palpatine, even if he would acknowledge that Palaptine was a better politician than he. But he wanted revenge and he wanted Peace through Power, both of which meant he wanted the Emperor dead at his feet. The only problem was that the Emperor was too powerful and Vader felt too insecure- particularly when it came to the guy who played him like a fiddle his entire life and knew how to push every single one of his buttons-, so he kept biding his time / putting it off until the opportunity reared it's head in the form of Luke.
Looking at luke taking force lightning vs vader it seems quite obvious that vader is suceptable to its fully potency ..mabey a purposefully itended design flaw ? Vader would never survive a fight with Palpatine like ever.
Very well said. And i loved the slideshoe flow. Good video :)
Vader and Count Dooku were former Jedi trained since childhood in the ways of the force; including the path to the darkside. Surely sith holocrons would have been sufficient training? And if midichlorians are in blood cells; then Anakin's connection to the force as Vader should have been the same. Because properties within blood cells don't drop with the loss of limbs. That he now has 5.25 litres of blood instead of the usual 7 litres shouldn't make a difference; otherwise smaller species like Yoda would be very weak in the force.
The force is just as much as mental ability as it is a physical one and losing a limb and becoming utterly crippled is never something that is easy to come to terms with. I imagine it was his own thoughts that because he had lost his limbs, he would not be as strong because he lost his coordination and muscle memory. And Sith holocrons are hidden in Sith temples that require a master and an apprentice to access as seen in Rebels. So Palpatine probably refused to go with Vader to go get those holocrons because he knew that Vader could use them to train and become stronger than him.
After seeing Rouge One, I think Darth Vader doesn't need training.
His "limps"?
You mean the guy that inefficiently let rebel soldiers bumble the Death Star plans out of his reach when he had them cornered and literally just needed to force grip a door fully closed?
Except that it was the emperors plan to allow the rebels to gain the information
If Vader had his body parts he would be to powerful
LemonZ ToTheZ No way Vader would be weak with his limbs. He would most likely triumph over Sidious and Yoda. Afterall, he is the chosen one
Dear Everyone,
It's 'Rogue' not 'Rouge'
Those are very different words
Devourer of Souls. Rouge is French for red.
Damidget utubes I know this
Never saw a rogue wear rouge
Very interesting.
I want to know who trained Yoda and we'll we ever see a stand alone movie for Yoda?
hope not
yea alls he does is sit in chairs and tell other people what to do no need for a film
plus im not really likeing the idea of films around just a charactor it makes everybody to grand and that they by the time we see them that they will have done film worthy stuff
i liked han solo because in 4 you can get the idea that he has been in tought spots but nothing like the deathstar
Not one single thing matters except the FORCE CHOKING. Each event of Force Choking is the pinnacle of Star Wars comedy.
Video suggestion: In A New Hope when Ben is fighting Vader, Darth Vader says to him: “you should not have come back.” But in Revwnge of the Sith Obiwan never went to the Death Star... can you do a vid about what Vader was referring too?
Anakin Skywalker is my favorite character
Anyone else....
yea hes raw but i think yoda would have destroyed him with the force anakin always preferred to use a light saber over the force. notice he never used force lightning i think thats also why sidious would have beat him to.
vader didn't use force lightning because it would have damaged or destroyed his cybernetics. i thought this was common knowledge.
Super Vegito what the hell, I see you on Dragon Ball vídeos and now here, wtf lol
Keyser Söze that doesnt make sense considering he was still able after the emperors lightning hit while he was lifting him
the lightning is what killed him, you can hear the breathing apparatus struggling after. it just took a short time for them to fail. it's right there in the film, pay attention
If Palpatine was this afraid of Vader, I wonder what would've happened if Vader had tried to confront Palpatine in a duel on his own.
vaders suit was very weak to force lightning so palpatine would have obliterated him
BES T KAT people say he is extremely weak to force lightening but he managed to tank the same lightening that tossed mace out a window and knocked Luke on his ass, not to mention palpatine had god tier lightning, and he was missing a hand, I would say he is nearly resistant as a normal person since his suit had insulators, I think his missing hand also had a role
christian cranor no.
he is in a cybernetic suit. lightning fries electronics. think. he died cause of the lightning.
hullmees666 yes but the suit was insulated, he wast and idiot he knew he was going to have to fight palpatine one day if he wanted control, the fact that he lost a hand meant his suit had a breach letting the lightning fry his cybernetics, that and the fact that palpatines lightning has been shown to demolish small armies when he is actually trying
This is fascinating. I always wondered why sidious' and vaders' relationship didn't seem like a conventional master-apprentice type. Sidious was cunning as hell, how he ever lost is amazing to me. I wish Anakin had never turned. He might've been grandmaster of the jedi order one day.
Try reading Lords of the Sith. I'm getting it for Christmas, I've heard it dives into Palpatine and Vader's relationship very well, and it's canon.
Joseph Simpson yeah it's and excellent book, it can be a bit slow in my opinion but the parts where it does focus on Vader and palatine is amazing and it shows the power they both have
I really liked lords of the sith, it made Vader really seem like an apprentice, always to steps behind his master.
You actually did suggest a really cool movie idea here. I hope Disney picks up on it. The movie would be about Darth Vader's time just after becoming a Sith, all the people who came after him, who he had to conquer, his other trainers/other Sith he might have encountered etc. There is so much material there. They would need to do this soon while James Earl Jones can still do the voice.
This video sort of helps me understand your other video on Dooku's value to Sideous. Your description of Darth Vader actually makes him not all that different from Batman from The Dark Knight trilogy. Ultimately, as Darth Vader, he didn't need training w the lightsaber. If you actually pay attention to the fighting style of Anikan in Revenge of the Sith, he barely uses the blade w two hands. Lightsabers are specifically designed to be a two handed blade, which is pretty clear indicator that Anikan mastered the blade quicker than Luke for that matter. This also explains why when he attacked Luke before sending him to the bridge in The Empire Strikes Back that it's not just multitasking, but managing to hold his power in more way, maybe even amplifying it to three or four.
Sidious feared Vader.
The force lightning of Sidius killed Vader. ... If they had fought, it would have been a very fast fight. ... Sidius would have easily won. ... The only reason Sidius was killed was because Sidius was caught off guard when Vader suddenly decided to save the life of Luke.
Michael Zoran I feel that is why Vader never dared rise against Sidious because Sidious was adept at Force Lightning which is Vader's biggest weakness. Starkiller clone in SWFU2 was able to beat him because he used lightning which fries Vaders cybernetics.
No, Vader literally cannot use "force lighting" because of his cybernetics. When he touched Palpatine (whilst Palpatine was using it on Luke), he knew the electricity would fry him, but he did it anyway to save Luke. As far as the other abilities, he's already a Jedi master with more sheer potential than Palpatine or Yoda. Palpatine said so himself during his duel with Yoda. Anakin did lose to Obi-Wan but we know it's because he was being pig-headed not because he was weaker. Remember, Anakin beat Dooku straight up, while Dooku beat Obi-Wan. The same Dooku that beat Obi-Wan+young Anakin together and fought Yoda to a draw.
triodesrbetter Anakin did so because he used the dark side, hence why he killed him. Juyo form is a dangerous technique.
triodesrbetter no obi wan beat anikan because he had the higher ground ;) lol
I don't buy that argument that Vader is secretly stronger than Sidious in all areas of the Force except Force Lightning. He had no other way to stop Sidious from frying Luke? Whatever happened to Force Push? Force Grip? Lightsaber throw? If Sidious was truly outclassed by Vader in all other techniques at that point, being able to shoot electricity out of his fingers is not going to save him. I think Vader's dumb decision to get in the way of the electricity is just due to bad writing at the time, in addition to many bad writing in the OT only saved by the vast amounts of after-stories, fan support fueled by after stories and better writing of them.
triodesrbetter Dooku didn't fight Yoda to a draw. He held his ground for a very short period than ran away because he knew he couldn't keep up. Dooku also thought that their force abilities were equal, but he was wrong their too.
That didn’t work for voda, he would say have so much to learn....
I don't get how as pre-suit Vader, with all his faculties, he couldn't beat obi-wan, yet once crippled he could slaughter Jedi by the handful
Joe Arnold Obi Wan was a top tier jedi for one thing, and knew Vader better than anyone as he literally trained him. The other Jedi were mostly not as powerful and were unfamiliar with Vader. Also, post-suit vader modified his fighting style specifically for dueling and killing Jedi. That, along with his cybernetic enhancements made him able to kill most Jedi with ease. That being said, there were still several powerful Jedi that put up a very hard fight, he wasn't able to utterly destroy them all the time, he still had to fight his hardest.
I totally agree, to add to that, Vader learned from past mistakes...
Jedis by the handful? Maybe I'm wrong but Vader only kills Obi Wan(who actually lets Vader kill him) and the Emperor(who was actually a Sith). And after Order 66 there was only Obi and Yoda left as Jedi, right?
@ Joe Arnold: yah its exaggerating bullshit. He has all these amazing abilities suddenly since the recent prequels. He's practically flying and somersaulting everywhere. This retcon crap is getting ridiculous. I never thought it was sensible that they made him so overpowered in the prequels when he goes from getting beat by Dooku then gets beaten by Kenobi at Mustafar then suddenly he's a little later he's unbeatable after all the debilitating injuries and can fight multiple force users/Jedi all at once?
Doesnt make much sense even with saying the "dark side" magically improved his skills, which he then lost strangely in episodes 4-6.
Just not a sensible escalation when ObiWan is basically portrayed as losing all his abilities from the prequel younger version of him to where in only 19+/- years he's so decrepit and has no abilities to leap long distances or manipulate objects with Force??
Never made any sense to me how ObiWan could age so rapidly when he is only 25 r something in episode 3 and he'd only be around 45 in episode 4...as is shown in other instances of Jedi,they age slowly and retain their youth and vigor. So how is ObiWan so aged and weak in so short a span of years?
In the original trilogy Vader could barely fight Old Obi Wan and Luke alone beat him later. He hardly used any force pushing at all against people in the original trilogy,only moved inanimate objects.He could kinda slow his falls when he jumped down. Then in the retcon cartoons series and such he's(vader)Force throwing people everywhere constantly and practically flying around doing acrobatics and moving huge objects. lol ridiculous.
Jedi Master Bern Isanderus you are mistaken.
I'm not even a lore guy and I know that what Vader did after the prequels was hunt down the surviving Jedi
The very video you're commenting on talks about the time he killed eight at once
well it may not be a complete Darth Vader movie, but the new "Cannon" comics from marvel do shed some light on what he did after episode 3. how he obtains his crimson sith lightsaber, hunting down Jedi and how he fully uses his anger and rage. all in all his own comic is pretty dope in my opinion and shows you his journey to becoming a sith Lord
Palpatine could have cared less about the 'Rule of Two' he gave it lip service but based on his actions he draws intense parallels to Emperor Vitiate in a way he intended to live forever as a "one sith" and every other dark sided user regardless of the Darth title or not were just pawns to get him to eternal life.
Besides Vader being badass I think he is a very interesting character
It's weird how he was so interesting in the OT, must just be the mystery of him and the sometimes subtle emotions.
Renaissance Men Agreed
That is why the new Star Wars movies fail.
I think your forgetting that Palpatine was training/grooming Vader from childhood. He was pretty much bending him to have Sith ideals throughout his entire life
What if Darth Vader never killed Obi Wan Kenobi
Evan Boone well he obviously did
Scott Robertson you must be new here
Sirens ahaha yes sir I am
I don't really consider him killing Kenobi. He didn't even connect with the killing blow before Kenobi vanished .
A P exactly
5:35 that's the sickest unmasked version of Vader I ever seen damn that's dope
Thanks I stumbled on these and am enjoying the updates and lessons, because I loved Star Wars but with my busy schedule I never got into all the side materials, comics, animated, and novels. This compilation over view is very helpful to fill in the blanks. :)
In all reality Palpatine was afraid of Vader. He knew Vader was stronger than he would ever be. Even with his force lightening.
I think Sidious was scared as well. Vader or Anikin was the most powerful force user to ever live, but his arrogance and anger got in the way of his true ability to wield it. After actually becoming vader and the burns he got, it set him back. But I do believe Vader could have killed Sidious but is hateard for him self made me sorta stay under Sidious thumb, kind of like 'Im a horrible person, I deserve this'.
you said choose someone quicker twice.
Comic Gamer Kids he said quicker and patience twice
Just because of that I’m disliking the video
@@nolanp4167 to think if people gave you a dislike for each of your small mistakes.... -10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 and thats just from the recent past.
@@nolanp4167 Disliked your comment because of the bad grammar.
Wow he's a fucking moron right. What a piece of shit
I always saw Vader more as an experiment for Sidious than a true apprentice. Sid was curious what he could do but was really hoping for someone to overcome and thus replace Vader
I think one bit of training worth mentioning is the training regimen by Palpatine, which is alluded to in "The Book of Sith", in which Palpatine attempted to mould Vader into a figure much like Darth Malgus, whom Palpatine seemed to see as a possible Sith "role model" for Vader, since Malgus and Vader shared many parallel traits.
I personally feel that Palpatine was afraid of Vader, thus not training him. Palpatine saw himself being in power for a long time, thus hoping to take Luke as his own.
You should have edited out the portions where you repeat yourself. Otherwise great movei!
I always was suspicious at the Emperor to get rid of Vader. He was so keen to win Luke as Apprentice and to convince him to claim his fathers place on the Emperor’s side.
And that was one of the steps to the decision Vaders to kill the Emperor. Beside a few others of course.
Vader's powers were limited from what they originally were but not completely because of the injuries he suffered on Mustafar. Palpatine surmised that his affliction was more psychological than physical........yes he lost limbs and his flesh was badly damaged but the midichlorian count in his remaining cells hadn't diminished. He never came to terms with the mistakes of his life, the lost of Padame, and the injuries he suffered.
To prove my point if you read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction in his early years in the Army of Darkness at the Korriban Academy Bane was training to be Sith. In a sparing match with another student he was defeated and humiliated his confidence took a huge blow and as a result his strength in the force had waned. It wasn't until he took private lessons from the instructor and started studying Sith lore and history that he regained his confidence. The next match he bested and overpowered the same opponent.
Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful force sensitive in history Jedi or Sith and Palpatine knew this, that's why he was careful to limit his training and purposefully keep him weaker. Palpatine also routinely used Dun Möch on Vader as another way of continuing the psychological damage.........messing with his head to make him question and doubt ever challenging him even though Palpatine knew that was the foundation of The Rule of Two.
One to be the embodiment of power and the other to crave it..........the apprentice was eventually suppose to rise up and challenge his master for the mantle of Dark Lord leading to an increasingly stronger line of Sith Lords. Palpatine wanted all that to end with him and wouldn't allow anyone to rival him. Vader was never more than a tool for Palpatine his injuries just made him easier to control.
One thing I liked was in the book of the Sith palpatine says he gave Darth Vader records of Darth Malgus's journal from the great galactic war and the sacking of coruscant, hoping Vader might take some inspiration from the similarities he shared with Malgus
0:30 then why did he continue to live? What gave him purpose?
Thanks.
The same thing which gave reason to live to all (most) sith since 5000 BBY: Pure and untamed hatred.
I recon vader was more powerful than the Emperor by the end
Joshua Eastham i think the only thing keeping him back was not being able to use electricity due to his suit
Nah, I don't think this was the reason. I'd rather think, Vader had'nt had found a good reason to overthrown Sidous. He still had work that needed to be done. But I think, ather the Empire would have defeaded the Rebell Aliance, Sidious time had been come to an end.
Josh Eastham he was definitely the most powerful put of all of them. He killed the emporer, a feat that only two others came close to doing, neither one being luke
If you remember luke was getting his was kicked by Palpatine
asdf asdf grand master luke would defeat any Sith and Jedi past or present.
after watching Rouge One i really want a Vader anthology film with this topic in mind
Palpatine withheld training to keep himself in power and alive for as long as possible. To have taught Darth Vader more about the Sith and the Dark Side with have only taken years off his own life. The greatest thing Palpatine withheld from Vader was the secret of Transferring someone's essence into a clone of their own body. Palpatine stole this technique from a fallen Jedi and used it to transfer his own essence into a clone of himself. He could have taught Vader this or even done it to him and put Vader's essence into a clone body restoring him with limbs and freeing him of his pain. Palpatine did this seven times to Bevel Lemelisk, an engineer and architect who designed the Death Star, after he had him tortured as punishment for flaws in his design and running behind Palpatine's demanding schedule.
I believe Palpatine was prepared to properly train him after the rise of the Empire based on how he stated his confidence about Vader’s future in Ep3, but since his force potential was greatly diminished, so he thinks it’s not possible to teach him the real stuff like the Sith magics and alchemy. He doesn’t need to train Vader lightsaber combat, and other basic force powers, he’s already an expert in it, all there is left to teach is Sith sorcery. And Palpatine once thought what truly held Vader down is his conflicted mental condition deep down, he’s only 99.99% immersed in the dark side, he just couldn’t be 100% devoted to it, Palpatine has been constantly trying fill up that 0.01% by pushing Vader over the edge, he’s not gonna teach him anything before breaking that mental barrier of his.
3:58 u repeated yourself
yeah but it sounded pretty lame anyway
someone made a small error while editing, I must point it out to everyone!
-person who made the original comment
of course he says it. It's constructive criticism
Stating the obvious by saying and I quote "u repeated yourself" (read in dumbass voice) is constructive criticism...how? :D
Since the uploader didn't edit it, it's pretty safe to assume he didn't notice it. Are you stupid?
Did you watch rogue one
Yes he did. He said so on his Twitter page.
Cookie Gaming I haven't seen Rogue One yet but I will Tuesday since I'm on vacation & 1nce I get back, my brother, dad & I will go see it that morning right when the theatre's open & 1nce it ends we're gonna go grab a bite to eat then head back to the house b4 my brother has to go pickup his daughter from school
Keith Dowlen well there will be a lot of shocking scenes and I mean a lot
Cookie Gaming i bet
anybody watched rogue one?
THREEIO Ye its amazing
yep... incredible.
Yep! It was amazing! :-D
awesome movie
THREEIO probably everyone here
Since Palpatine designed Darth Vader' s armor to be vulnerable to force lighting assuring Darth Vader would never try to overthrow his master. Why didn't Darth Vader designed his own suit of armor capable of combating force lighting. Let us not forget when Anakin Skywalker was a child slave he was very intelligent in robotics and cybernetics.
Anakin was born of the Force through immaculate conception & was a power unto himself. A child brought up in slavery. Sidious could have taught him more of the dark mystic stuff & diplomacy. But as far as fighting goes, light or dark side he was already well experienced through countless battles. He had already become powerful enough to slay Count Dooku, who was a powerful duelist, Vader knew how to fight, He just had to adjust to His new body by refocusing. Reminds me of Def Leppard's drummer who lost his arm, He didn't quit. He grabbed his drum tech and dived into the studio, and refocused His technique
Yeah Palpatine was right to fear vader.
What the hell is that sentence? oO
fromeggman taught*
sideus was clearly always afraid of vader, even without training, vader eventually killed him.
onemadhungrynomad yes and no you see sidious survived... if u can call spirit transfer surviving.. but u make a good point funny how after all the effort sidious goes to in order to hinder vader he still kills him anyway lols
Rogue one is awesome.
Amen to that! :-D
Danengscot tell me more. fav parts
not here or at this time due to spoilers and the fact the movie was just released so what in till February okay.
Watch the film. I promise you it is worth the tick price... Especially for the Vader scene ;) That's all I'll say....
Danengscot maybe I will when the snow clears
I've always looked at it like Anakin was the prize he wanted, he had to settle for vader. All the pieces came together in Revenge of the Sith, Sidius grand scheme paid off... yet Anakin was a failed prospect. There was no one left for Sidius to gain at this point, so he settled for an enforcer rather than a successor.
I think Anakin also realized this, that after he killed all those jedi and turned to the dark side, he was no longer what Sidius wanted. He was deformed, weaker than before and killed the one thing that drove him to want to be stronger.
Maul was also his original apprentice, but Maul as Sidius had pointed out has become a rival. Maul on his own, survived being cut in half and survived a fall that would kill any other. Everything you stated for Vader in this video is actually Maul's development. However he would never be loyal to Sidius again. He would kill him the first chance he got.
So yeah, pre-vader, Sidius was so excited for Anakin to be his apprentice, even revealing himself and putting himself at great risk. After Vader... wtf, this thing is a huge disappointment. I wouldn't be surprised if Ezra meets the emperor at some point and gets tempted. That could be the thing that causes Vader to realize he's no longer needed or wanted and has him try to recruit his son.
Vader is such an interesting character that has yet to be fully explored in any movies or shows so far.
why did you repeat yourself in the Palpatine quote? also audio levels get lessened at the end of the video.
I have a feeling, during editing, he copy pasted twice that part and did not notice it
Vader don't need Palpatine's teaching, bitch Darth Vader is a boss
Donquixotte Doflamingo exactly
Every time i hear Mustafar, I laugh as I have a friend with the same name & his parent are not star wars fans.
Edit: did a check it's Arabic and it means "The Chosen One". Now I'm not too sure if it's a random coincident.
Edit2: Movie "you were the chosen one" to Anakin in Mustafar... and "the chosen one" is "Mustafa" in arabic...
Edit3: Al- Jeddi mean mystic warrior WTF o_0
Edit4: Yoda might be based on this dude > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr
TIL
Joynal Miah Woah... u just blew my mind 0_o
tiestofalljays I found another thing out
Yoda is based on this guy who (known as the green one) tells mosses he has no patience
www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095403140
Joynal Miah lol George based star wars around MANY real life things.
Joynal Miah Thanks for the facts lol
Good Stuff. Very Clear and Concise
I like your Star Wars Theories best! You got a new sub, good luck and make more awsome videos like this one!
Please do "did Vader believe he killed padme up until the day he died"
She gave birth...he obviously knew she left mustafar alive.
He did kill her, choking a pregnant woman forced her to have the kids. They were premature.
@@Hb2N no she died of a broken heart.
I think Palpatin knew Vader was far more powerful than him, so he made Vader's suit purposely with a flaw, and refuse to train him to keep power over the Empire himself.
Vader may have had more potential but he never can close to reach Sidious in terms of power
Mr Sister Fister That's debatable. Maybe I'm biased because I love Vader in Star wars, but I think he had more potential but was held back due to Palpatine. Just my opinion. Anyways, I hope you and your family have a great holiday.
Vader achieved nearly 80% of sidious' power by the end. He would have far surpassed him if not for his injuries and other limitations.
3:50-3:59 redundant af
His rage and pain made what he had mastered more powerful. Amplified. The emperor clearly had broader powers. But Vader's depth made him powerful in a way not even the emperor could experience. He was right to be afraid of Vader. Sidious knew that If Vader ever turned his rage back on him .... for any reason ...he might win. That's why he kept him "distracted" and always hunting Obi Wan. There was a scene cut from the original Return of the Jedi where Vader returns to the death star is is barred from seeing the emperor. While I'm sure that was an effort to exercise his authority over Vader...denying him access..., he may also have felt the conflict growing in Vader that ultimately ended his life.
Anakin Skywalker is always quickly evolving, this is his unique ability. With all that has happened to Anakin' nothing has stopped him, not Darth Tyranus, not OB1 Kenobi, not Darth Sidious, not Darth Vader, and not Luke Skywalker. Only Anakin defeated Darth Sidious, overcame Darth Vader, and saved Luke Skywalker. Anakin was always there' Darth Vader couldn't exist otherwise. It was Luke's purpose to remind his father of who he is' then Anakin did what he intended to do when Palpatine first revealed to Anakin that he is a Sith lord. From Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader' Anakin never stopped quickly evolving, achieving in weeks what would take other species' including his own' hundreds of years to reach, if at all. As Darth Vader' Anakin's ability to quickly evolve has grown in cosmic proportions! He has overcome all of his battle sown handicaps and mastered the Force' same as Revan did before him. Even Darth Vader said' the power of the death star is nothing compared to the Force. That in the Force and with the Force' and Anakin's ability to quickly evolve' Anakin Skywalker can do anything. Anakin became a force ghost without any training from Qui-gon Jinn and Yoda' because of his ability to quickly evolve.