The Music Industry SUES AI Music Companies Suno & Udio
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- The RIAA and Music Labels have sued AI Music Generation companies Suno and Udio. Is this the end of AI generated music? Or is this the music industry doing what they always do, and sue when new music technology comes out?
➡️CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Music Industry Sues Suno and Udio
6:01 - The Music Industry Always Sues New Technology
7:06 - The Music Business Doesn't Care About Art or Musicians
8:53 - The Way Things Are Isn't How They Were or Will Be
9:52 - The Music Business is Awful
12:13 - You Don't Want a Record Deal
14:17 - The RIAA Complaint
16:11 - Law Are Made By Humans and They Change
17:18 - Microsoft is Investing in Suno
19:15 - You've Been Lied To
20:03 - AI Makes Music Easier
21:32 - The End Result vs The Process
23:56 - AI and a Sense of Accomplishment
31:10 - Is AI Music Going Away?
32:18 - Creators are not getting paid
34:44 - The Music Business is Garbage
Official complaint against Udio
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Complaint against Suno
www.riaa.com/wp-content/uploa...
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I'm also a metal guy, even though my background is classic music and training . And yes centuries ago if you wanted music you had to go to churches or special events. There won't be a new Bach, Beethoven, Mozart soon. Cause it's not just the industry, also the public the fans that are under educated and like/applauds trash xD
As others have said, the big studios will just develop their own AI tools and flood the market themselves. Artists will never not get screwed.
This gives me vibes from that time Zappa, Snider and others went to defend Music . Those Epic speeches that left some politicians and society in their place
Napster all over again.
Well the record labels are in partnership with key devs to develop their own AI music generators
I won't be at all surprise that they are doing it....!! And by taking Suno & Udio to court, actually just trying to eliminate, or at least limiting, competition because they actually were too slow to enter the market 1st!!!!
thats probably part of it to. create their own AI using their catalog and license it out.
Thx - a very thought-provoking video. Lots of philosophical cans opened. And the whole issue of AI, not only in music but in all aspects of society, probably needs to be discussed on various platforms like this one. Question: Is AI good, bad, or maybe neither?
I 1st want to say this: I cannot think that the music industry will NOT utilize AI in there processes & "products" - I'm sure AI will save them millions and sheeple will still spent their money on any crap that is trending at that specific moment!!! As mentioned hereunder in another comment: I won't be surprised if the music industry already invested millions (maybe billions? ) into AI song generating models, but was not the 1st to launch their stuff.
Lastly, just my thought of AI, specifically in the field of music & music generation:
I don't consider myself a musician. I can't play a music instrument (unless you can consider figuring out a melody of a song for several hours using one finger to punch a key on a piano), I do not have sufficient or a lot of music theory. I don't have a great singing voice. In fact, I'm singing bass, and most of the time, I'm a little bit off-key. I do play a little bit with FL Studio as my DAW. So I've got a little bit of music production skills. But like I said, I don't see myself as a musician per se. But that being said, I do see myself as a creator. Over a period of time, I've written a lot of songs. But because of my, let's call it, musical inability, I never had the chance, or I never could translate the creative side or the writing side into a melody.
Since the introduction of AI, I was able to translate my written songs into melodic songs. The alternative was to face my DAW & literally spend months to complete a song - just not worth it!! I tried that once on my iPhone (Garage Band), and it literally took me months. Okay, I didn't work on it every day whole day, but the matter of the fact is all the fact is that this is a very contra-productive way to finish a song.
On the other hand, since working with Suno & Udio, I would say the last 2 months or so, I probably created close to 300 versions (not songs!!), of probably 15 songs - I'm just guessing, haven't counted it yet. Fact is: it works for me.
What I appreciated from your video: from the beginning, music was meant to be shared freely and to be enjoyed by others. And that is what I want to pursue: make my music as accesable as possible for all to enjoy. By the way, I am creating Gospel music. But I don't think the genre matters - it is the intent and the purpose the music is created for that matters!
Coming back to my question: Is AI good or bad? My answer: neither. That is determined by the person in whose hands the tool is used. I can use a spade to beautify my garden or to kill my neighbor's annoying dog - the intent is in my hands. Thx again for a very informative video - I really enjoyed it.
AI does make it easier for people to create the sound in their head without the need for learning about music production, just like automatic transmission made it easier for people to drive without manually switching gears. Only 18% of people can drive manual these days. The same will happen to music. No one who drives automatic thinks they are cheating, they just want to get to their destination. Same will happen in music. Is that good or bad? eh? I don't know yet. Is it good that I can record music and edit music on a computer without having to manually cut tape? I'd say 'yes' - but the people who use to run tape machines probably say 'no'
Forget "sense of accomplishment". People are robbing themselves of an opportunity to really experience and love music with AI. As a musician I don't need suno, I can just make a song (that actually sounds good and makes sense but thats besides the point) on the spot, in real life without any computer, and have it be my own expression. It's beyond a crutch, its like being illiterate and relying on someone to read you bedtime stories well into adulthood. I'd go as far as saying its like having an AI play fun video games for you while you prompt it which levels to 100%. Making music is fun, learning to play piano is awesome. You're not a musician, you're not really experiencing music, and you aren't actually having fun with AI.
Nobody cares where the song came from as long as it sounds good.
@@mikb5587 Whether people care or not where music comes from has nothing to do with anything I said, but your statement is not even true. People 100% care where music comes from, not only do people have favorite soundtracks, bands and musicians that greatly influence their listening decisions, people care about their favorite artist and will often stick to the music they know and already like even if they hear something foreign to it that "sounds good".
If people didnt care where music came from they would never go to live performances and only have favorite songs in isolation.
you seem to be under the impression that everyone can learn every instrument and play them flawlessly. should the un-talented be barred from musical expression? should the person who can't sing be barred from creating a voice to express their emotion?
I too can makeup a song on the spot and play it with guitar or bass or piano or drums, or basically anything....but who's going to hear it without recording it? You're just gonna play in the street? You're going to have a concert where you make up music on the spot...no ones buying that ticket unless you already have a well-established library and are famous.
Do you cook every meal you eat from scratch? Do you hunt your meat? Raise chickens for the eggs? Milk the cows? Or do you go to the grocery store and buy pre-made food you can throw in the microwave, pre-packaged meat, canned vegetables, a gallon of milk? A lot of people think you miss out by not hunting your meat, or milking your own cows, or cooking your own food from scratch every meal. I could say you are not really experiencing food, and you don't have an appreciation for the animals and the land - but do you care? No. Same thing for AI music. AI simply allows people to get the sound in their head much faster and without talent or skill or time. The same way you can grab a burger at McDonalds without growing wheat, making buns, milking cows to create cheese, harvesting cows for meat, crushing tomatos for Ketchup, etc...
@@BenoniStudio Relying on AI is barring them from musical expression, they aren't expressing themselves, they are commissioning a corporate software to generate music that is technically some other musician's expression since it is built off the back of those musician's work. It can not even be described as "their voice" at that point.
And besides some serious debilitating conditions I believe practically everyone CAN learn an instrument and/or sing to a great degree. Flawlessly? Who knows, but this AI is anything but flawless, and it's flaws are not human but rather algorithmic and lack any character or charm.
As for recording, nearly everyone has a smartphone nowadays, recording is trivial. Also recording shouldn't be anyone's purpose for creating music, like you said in your video, most of human history people played and made music without recording.
For the comment on who is going to listen and that nobody is going to go to a concert unless youre well established. Well yea duh, and I doubt anyone cares about some cheap AI generated sound that they can do for free just like you did and you have zero claim to since you didn't even make it. And I highly doubt anyone cares to go to a concert and watch someone prompt a website. No one is buying THAT ticket either. If your point of making music is some kind of recognition from others you've already failed with suno AI
I also think your food analogy isn't quite adequate for this situation. As there's a difference between merely being a consumer and producer of a food. No one who buys food fools themselves into thinking they made it themselves. Its more like telling a chef your order and thinking you're the one cooking the food. The mentality is also completely different. People eat a meal to satisfy hunger, outside of survival situations chefs in culinary arts and hunters aren't necessarily doing that because they are hungry, but because its fun or enjoyable in its own right. Also I should even point out with your McD example, the less control over your food and the more automated, streamlined and cheap it gets the more unhealthy it tends to be and likely to conflict with your eating preferences and taste. I think any customer of fast food would greatly benefit just making a meal at home.
Now if someone is simply using the AI because they just want to listen to someone else's music, fine, but that doesn't seem to be the primary motivator as there's already good and better music easily accessible and I've already seen plenty of people fooling themselves into thinking they and not the AI+other artist its built on made something which is also included in the marketing language of the sites themselves.
@@gensoustudio4703 So do you feel the same about MIDI and Virtual Instruments? Those are pieces created by other musicians that people use to create something new. And I guess you are completely against samples and loops too. So in your narrow view, only if you create the all the sound yourself, you are not "experiencing music" in that case, practically every song since 1984 isn't music and no one is a musician since then because they used MIDI, synths, samples, and loops.
You'd also have to do away with the entire genre of Rap since it was built on samples and re-mixing.
You'd also have to say that any musician doing a cover song isn't a musician - I think Johnny Cash would disagree.
I don't think you've ever used AI generated music before, you seem to be under some impressions that are not true. AI does not copy songs. It learns relationships. The same way you learn the circle of fifths for example, or a minor scale.
I also completely disagree when you say everyone can learn an instrument to a sufficient degree. That's like saying a 5'4" 500lbs guy with naturally low-T can be an NBA superstar if he just studies hard enough. No. There are biological and psychological realities within every individual. No amount of education or study will change that. The "it" factor is real. Either you have it or you don't. You can only get as good as your biology allows - in anything, not just music. Nature always wins. Always.
You seem to be viewing things through your own psychology and you don't understand that other people view things differently and even experience music differently from you.
60% of musicians have already used AI in their productions according to a survey. And the next generation will view AI as normal. The same way we view recording music on a PC as normal. Back when Studio Tools came out (now called Pro Tools) people literally said the same exact things you are saying about AI.
I have a feeling that you are insecure in your musical abilities and that is why AI is a threat to you.
You also don't seem to understand music is consumed in different ways today. A lot of music is consumed in snippets on tiktok, not concerts and albums, but singles, and not even the full track! And AI is perfect for creating music faster in a world where everything has to be fast. No one is waiting 13 years for Chinese Democracy.
I'm just looking at the reality of the way things work. There are no perfect solutions, just trade-offs. And knowing the history of the RIAA and the music business in general - I have to choose AI in that battle. At least more people will be able to express themselves in ways their biology prevents them from doing. Of course there are downsides to AI, i've discussed them back in 2023 - but in this specific battle ruclips.net/video/xYfjxR6e0mc/видео.html
Thats great for real artist now there wont be artificial intelligent made music
Why would ANYONE be defending AI Music generation companies? This is one rare instance I definitely stand with the RIAA
yeah this video was def poorly prepared and this guy does not really understand the issue. Downloading or listening to music without paying is def not even close to building a clone machine to profit from... the results of training is intellectual property that the AI company will make money from. If they were building it for humanity i might think differently...
I support them. Ai is cool and idgaf about artists rights.
Why would anyone defend the scum of the RIAA?
why? Are you in the music business? Do you know the history of it? Have you dealt with them? Have you communicated with labels? Have you been involved in the music software business for 15 years as I have? Do those things and you will better understand.
If someone is inspired by a song and then makes their own song using the same chords and structure, would you call that a "clone"? Because that's half of the popular songs. I don't think you can grasp what I am talking about here, and I don't think you understand the music business at all, nor do you understand AI training.
But hey, you are entitled to your wrong opinion. Enjoy listing to music on your phone....something the RIAA didn't want to exist.