Ikr? It's *_easy_* to dismiss FJM as some "ironic hipster".....but he just is not. He's a very very real dude who seems to be all about absolute honesty....filtered through a killer sardonic wit. I love it! And I feel you on the cleansed soul feeling...it's refreshing as hell.
John Milligan And whats wrong with monotous production? A lot of great artists have had this type of productiom such as elton john to name one. It just makes you sit down and listen. And how do you see his lyrics as generic? I see it as blunt and honest to the fullest, its what i look for in an artist. I really don't care if he sounds like a hipster as long as he isnt bullshitting his audience
While Zane is represented on behalf of the music journalism machine and has to water down a lot of the topics they talk about, i think the interview is well conducted and he found a way to make FJM cooperative and serious about the questions and answers here, ultimately i was glad to have watched this and hear him talk about the album in these concise and conversational explanations
12:12 there’s look on FJM’s face after Zane’s comment about the evolutionary narrative of the album that seems to me to reflect FJM’s genuine appreciation that the interviewer explored the material thoroughly enough to have a worthwhile insight. It’s a really nice moment in my eyes.
Don't understand the hate for Zane to be quite honest. Obviously he acts interested in plenty of music and topics that he probably truly isn't but that's par for the course with a job like this. He's not perfect but there isn't a music media figure with the same amount of clout and publicity that comes even close to being as good as Zane at what they do.
Any metaphysical evaluation of current society doesn’t result in men jerking off to DFW constantly. It’s a great book, but marginalizing FJM’s writing from one stack of paper is dismissive.
Pure Comedy is the album that turned me into a fan of Father John Misty. I had heard songs from his previous albums, but I didn’t get it. Not until Pure Comedy. Love this album. Love Josh Tillman.
I love his self awareness when citing Foucault, I feel the same way when I bring up Kant or some shit. There's real power and "truth" in those words, but you almost have to preface it with a smile to be taken seriously. It's kinda sad but also kinda funny.
Kevin Ruta Absolutely. Was gonna make the same comment. I can't help but feeling like an asshole as we 'muse and ponder over these grandiose concepts', but there's ultimately good conversation there. edit: and I meant to say, it's always great to see that he recognizes how ridiculous it is too.
he is a smart guy, he knows that kinda shit sounds pretentious if you're very serious about it. i mean, hes giving his interpretation and view of the world but probably also aknowledges that he doesnt know all those theories and concepts inside out. No real need to get too serious or technical about them to pass a message
"It's okay to know that you don't know everything". I agree and I think a lot of religious people would agree with this. Well, the wise ones know this. Ehh
It depends on how agnostic you want to go, but I don't think the search for truth is meaningless even though we won't know everything. We can be in the 'right' ballpark area. But then you can go super modern, morally relativistic, saying there is no 'right' and 'wrong' or good and evil , and then it's just... meaningless.
Love it. God damn I agree with him on a lot of topics (And I imagine he'd have something incredibly dry and cutting to say about that.), particularly on imbuing satire with power it doesn't have.
20:00 (stamp for personal reference) Discussing “Birdie” and the nature of freedom: our miscalculations regarding freedom and the ability to buy degrees of freedom
dont hate on Zane, he does his research before interviews and he knows what hes talking about, and during this one i thought he seemed decently genuine.
This conversation leaves me thinking that all we're gonna be as a memory to humanity is the dead guy in 'Weekend at Bernie's'... Yes, we will be Bernie... Good chat!
It's funny hearing about the theory of experiencing a surfeit of entertainment for the song "Total Entertainement Forever" as inspiration. I have been fairly abstinent from several sorts of entertainment outlets (foremost gaming and series binging) for some years now and I've instead started to dedicate more time to writing. Over time I noticed that all the people who I know who devoted themselves to constant entertainment during the same time have, out of sheer desperation to keep themselves entertained, never created or barely ever come up with something noteworthy to think about and it absolutely reflects the passiveness that Josh talks about in the theory. Absolute entertainment is soul-numbing.
Tbh the theatrical thing would be a terrible idea... I imagine Roger Waters sitting in the front row smiling and thinking "I'm proud of this guy, but when does his dad come out?"
It's weird, I had a really tough time during the whole of Trump's presidency with the daily news, but a couple of albums and especially this one might have done a great deed to keep my mind sane for the time they had just been recently released.
Jason Jones didn't think it was as good as I love you honey bear, but it's still good. Pretty dark the whole through though which makes it kinda hard to listen to if you're not in the mood.
The whole interview struck me as too comfortable right down to the sycophantic interviewer mimicking FJM's positioning on the couch. It's tough to do an interview and not come off like fanboy when you admire the topic as much as he clearly does.
Interviewer has a hard job here... The interviewee keeps slipping into truly interesting (and important) territory. And since this is Apple Music, we can't stray too far from "love yer new album, I'm your biggest fan..."-type conversations. Music As Entertainment and Music As Art filed for divorce appr. 15 years ago. In some quarters the papers, apparently, still haven't come through.
Two quotes from Zane Lowe: "This record rocked me in a big, big way." also "What comes after "Smoochie"?" I know that hosts have to gloat over the artist they are interviewing and that's all well and good. However. Zane should be less of a nakedly phony piece of shit about the whole process. For the record, I'm a giant fan of FJM and I'm still marinating on the new record. I hated it at first, then I liked it and now I'm getting closer to loving it. There's lots to unpack. If a person comes up and says they hate the record, that's a fine reaction. If an especially "intelligent" person comes up and says they hate the record, that's also fine. Reactions across the spectrum are valid unless they get crazy (EX: this record is fascist. (It's clearly fucking not)). I'm rambling but I'm glad that FJM is at the level to be on Zane's show. At the very least he's an intriguing artist and we need much more of his ilk.
He's talking about Michel Foucault, who was a 20th century philosopher/social theorist(?) whose writings mostly aimed to give us a better understanding of how we observe/understand/use Power in sections of society such as sexuality, medicine, and of course politics
"Meaningless, meaningless," said David's teacher, "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless." Ecclesiastes 1:2 I can see why he likes Ecclesiastes. In all the meaninglessness, and the meaninglessness to the meaninglessness, I can create, today more than ever, from nothing. But isn't that art? Some I have shared Pure Comedy with say "How depressing", but to me, this is true freedom. All I really have is what I say I am committed to, but that is really true even if I am not the creator of it. Right? Of course, 4 -6 generations from now, no one knows I existed. Maybe sooner.
This is genuine and there's nothing ironic about it. My soul feels clean.
Ikr? It's *_easy_* to dismiss FJM as some "ironic hipster".....but he just is not. He's a very very real dude who seems to be all about absolute honesty....filtered through a killer sardonic wit. I love it! And I feel you on the cleansed soul feeling...it's refreshing as hell.
John Milligan And whats wrong with monotous production? A lot of great artists have had this type of productiom such as elton john to name one. It just makes you sit down and listen. And how do you see his lyrics as generic? I see it as blunt and honest to the fullest, its what i look for in an artist. I really don't care if he sounds like a hipster as long as he isnt bullshitting his audience
Josh Shuter yet here you are choosing to comment on his interviews about his new album. LOGIC
Josh Shuter- Dude. You're listening to Drake and Jaden fucking Smith. Yeah you're totally entitled to an opinion :)
Gargonzola4president , lol im not. Dont know how you worked that one out mate.
Papa John Crispy
Padre Juan Misterio
Mig1997 Pop Joan Rivers
Vater Johann Nebelhaft
Vater Fran Kartoffelwurst
Charles Nelson Reilly
People talking shit on Zane Lowe, meanwhile he gets the best answers out of everyone he interviews
Respect to Zane, he's kept it up. didnt think he could
he was pretty good on this interview, gotta give him that
same here tbh I dont like him, and i dont know why but he does good interviews
Pure Comedy the musical would be amazing
Red Bully look outside haha
So awesome to see Father Bong Misery look stoned as balls here
Hahahahaha "Father Bong Misery" is the most apt renaming i've encountered anywhere
While Zane is represented on behalf of the music journalism machine and has to water down a lot of the topics they talk about, i think the interview is well conducted and he found a way to make FJM cooperative and serious about the questions and answers here, ultimately i was glad to have watched this and hear him talk about the album in these concise and conversational explanations
FJM looks like he stayed up for 48 hours and then hit 15 straight bong hits
i was thinking the same thing... he looks fucked up haha
he looks like tim heidecker's lovechild with gregg turkington.
Or he's Polish.
no he doesn't
I guess it’s pretty much true
I think we can all agree that this is one of the greatest albums ever it has aged amazingly and the lyrics hold up as well today as it did in 2017
um, shit's fuego, Janet
12:12 there’s look on FJM’s face after Zane’s comment about the evolutionary narrative of the album that seems to me to reflect FJM’s genuine appreciation that the interviewer explored the material thoroughly enough to have a worthwhile insight. It’s a really nice moment in my eyes.
Total Entertainment Forever is literally one of the greatest songs ever recorded by any artist, ever.
Don't understand the hate for Zane to be quite honest. Obviously he acts interested in plenty of music and topics that he probably truly isn't but that's par for the course with a job like this. He's not perfect but there isn't a music media figure with the same amount of clout and publicity that comes even close to being as good as Zane at what they do.
Love FJM as an artist - lyrically outstanding - gets me thinking out of the box and I’m grateful for that self-indulgent journey!
i want josh to teach an seminar about poetry and english. i have never wanted to learn from someone so hard.
he looks like a hungover Ron Swanson here
Dude sounds like he just finished infinite jest lmao
Pure Comedy gives off similar vibes, so that’s pretty apt lol
you win this comment section, props.
Any metaphysical evaluation of current society doesn’t result in men jerking off to DFW constantly. It’s a great book, but marginalizing FJM’s writing from one stack of paper is dismissive.
@@bloomfieldguitars6889 agreed.
Zane aint got no sense rubbing his shoes all over Father John Misty's couch
I liked this 😂🤣 until I saw Josh was doing it too 😂🤣😂
I want to see him Live so badly.
THOSE SHOES ON THE COUCH ARGHHHHH
Great to see how a good (and informed) interviewer can conduct the interview that this great album deserves.
Pure Comedy is the album that turned me into a fan of Father John Misty. I had heard songs from his previous albums, but I didn’t get it. Not until Pure Comedy. Love this album. Love Josh Tillman.
Was tripping ball on mushrooms and listened to pure comedy and it changed my life for ever and i am forever greatful for fjm
I love his self awareness when citing Foucault, I feel the same way when I bring up Kant or some shit. There's real power and "truth" in those words, but you almost have to preface it with a smile to be taken seriously. It's kinda sad but also kinda funny.
Kevin Ruta Absolutely. Was gonna make the same comment. I can't help but feeling like an asshole as we 'muse and ponder over these grandiose concepts', but there's ultimately good conversation there.
edit: and I meant to say, it's always great to see that he recognizes how ridiculous it is too.
he is a smart guy, he knows that kinda shit sounds pretentious if you're very serious about it. i mean, hes giving his interpretation and view of the world but probably also aknowledges that he doesnt know all those theories and concepts inside out. No real need to get too serious or technical about them to pass a message
This man is just on another wavelength. Zane did a great job btw
Finally Is John getting the recognition he deserves!
Great convo
Buttered prawn, crispy
Dude has some insight going on. Love it.
people should honestly watch this.
insightful
In everyway
It's like FJM is a 17-year-old kid who's parents are forcing him to go to Church group on a Wednesday night. Profound.
Beautiful album. Beautiful person!
Great interview!
>Says he doesn't want to sing all the time
>sings all the time
FEATHER JAM MINISTRY
"It's okay to know that you don't know everything". I agree and I think a lot of religious people would agree with this. Well, the wise ones know this. Ehh
It depends on how agnostic you want to go, but I don't think the search for truth is meaningless even though we won't know everything. We can be in the 'right' ballpark area. But then you can go super modern, morally relativistic, saying there is no 'right' and 'wrong' or good and evil , and then it's just... meaningless.
14:37 zane lows face
L'ouverture d'esprit ne s'achète pas.C'est un choix. Mais il faudrait en être conscient.
Dope interview for sure.
Love it. God damn I agree with him on a lot of topics (And I imagine he'd have something incredibly dry and cutting to say about that.), particularly on imbuing satire with power it doesn't have.
"This guy just gets me"
"what's up man". "...... Nuthin". 😂😂😂
this guy is so smart
Imagine this interview in 2023 surrounding compliance 😁 Pure Comedy is a masterpiece.
20:00 (stamp for personal reference) Discussing “Birdie” and the nature of freedom: our miscalculations regarding freedom and the ability to buy degrees of freedom
this is fuckin wild though! hes articulated in such a different way
Letters from the Earth by Mark Twain is also condemning heaven singing
dont hate on Zane, he does his research before interviews and he knows what hes talking about, and during this one i thought he seemed decently genuine.
Watching this with Pure Comedy on quietly in the background and a cup of tea is exquisite
Am i the only one watching this naked, getting high on the mattress while the global market crashes?
I applaud you
This conversation leaves me thinking that all we're gonna be as a memory to humanity is the dead guy in 'Weekend at Bernie's'... Yes, we will be Bernie... Good chat!
If you look at Zane Lowe in close up shots, there’s a bit of John Lock there..
1:46 they are looking at each other through a mirror
Daddy John hit me
Wow Zane. This is your best work.
It's funny hearing about the theory of experiencing a surfeit of entertainment for the song "Total Entertainement Forever" as inspiration. I have been fairly abstinent from several sorts of entertainment outlets (foremost gaming and series binging) for some years now and I've instead started to dedicate more time to writing. Over time I noticed that all the people who I know who devoted themselves to constant entertainment during the same time have, out of sheer desperation to keep themselves entertained, never created or barely ever come up with something noteworthy to think about and it absolutely reflects the passiveness that Josh talks about in the theory. Absolute entertainment is soul-numbing.
One thing about his idea of heaven. People think we will be floating on clouds and singing but that's not what it says
anyone else trip out at 11:52
dont know why i clicked but im glad i did
Don't you just love The Father
Pure comedy
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it was good but it seemed so rushed. zane just blasted through the tracklist. easily could've been 3x as long & better
Fun
Josh Tillman is the David Foster Wallace of music
22:41, they let Josh slip one in uncensored :)
did anybody else just read the comments during the whole video while fjm's voice was like charlie brown's teacher in the background?
or am i just petty
A fascinating exchange of thoughts, feelings and reflections from two people who know a little about what's going on.
Papa Got Mistycal
Lmao I needed a dictionary open to understand everything he was saying
The interviewer is totally mirroring his movements and speech throughout the whole interview
sycophantically, yes
father john misty maior e melhor
Richard swift (oculus rift rhyming reference) 😂
ferrero john roche
AWW MAN lol
Tbh the theatrical thing would be a terrible idea... I imagine Roger Waters sitting in the front row smiling and thinking "I'm proud of this guy, but when does his dad come out?"
It's weird, I had a really tough time during the whole of Trump's presidency with the daily news, but a couple of albums and especially this one might have done a great deed to keep my mind sane for the time they had just been recently released.
Who is being interviewed ?
21:00
FJM is on NZT
Faster Horn Whiskey
The glass of water was meant for them to clean their own shoe stains from the couch after the interview, right?
I wish he talked about smoothie more
15:25
Rather Blonde Christie
Get your shoes off the couch, were you both born in barns?!
Matthew Moss it's not theirs so they don't respect it.
bear sets fire That's the world right there.
They both know that there's an intern who'll clean it later.
I'm gonna lick that couch with my butt_hole-puke.
I mean. If you're gonna get comfy. Take your shoes off.
So I'm guessing Josh has read Albert Camus's "The Myth Of Sisyphus"
i havent heard the album yet, how is it?
Jason Jones didn't think it was as good as I love you honey bear, but it's still good. Pretty dark the whole through though which makes it kinda hard to listen to if you're not in the mood.
+Dyliciouz m8 thnaks, i bought it, just gonna wait till im in the mood for it.
This dude 8s ßmarter
Papa must be a good fan of Rick and Morty.
Is it just me or do they look too comfortable?
The whole interview struck me as too comfortable right down to the sycophantic interviewer mimicking FJM's positioning on the couch. It's tough to do an interview and not come off like fanboy when you admire the topic as much as he clearly does.
love you josh! planets fine we are NOT! #GEORGECARLIN
1:22
These guys stink
Interviewer has a hard job here... The interviewee keeps slipping into truly interesting (and important) territory. And since this is Apple Music, we can't stray too far from "love yer new album, I'm your biggest fan..."-type conversations.
Music As Entertainment and Music As Art filed for divorce appr. 15 years ago. In some quarters the papers, apparently, still haven't come through.
y'all this man sometimes acts as a bouncer at Tenants of the Trees bar in Silverlake, I swear to God.
Zane is built for interviewing people who need to be talked over to keep it interesting. Here he keeps talking over FJM & it is distracting.
theres not alot here.
Two quotes from Zane Lowe: "This record rocked me in a big, big way." also "What comes after "Smoochie"?"
I know that hosts have to gloat over the artist they are interviewing and that's all well and good. However. Zane should be less of a nakedly phony piece of shit about the whole process.
For the record, I'm a giant fan of FJM and I'm still marinating on the new record. I hated it at first, then I liked it and now I'm getting closer to loving it. There's lots to unpack. If a person comes up and says they hate the record, that's a fine reaction. If an especially "intelligent" person comes up and says they hate the record, that's also fine. Reactions across the spectrum are valid unless they get crazy (EX: this record is fascist. (It's clearly fucking not)). I'm rambling but I'm glad that FJM is at the level to be on Zane's show. At the very least he's an intriguing artist and we need much more of his ilk.
dude looks like such a dud without the beard hahaha
When he speaks of "seeing the King coming" who is the person he is referencing?
Jacob Michaels "seeing the king coming" is like "better the devil you know" so trump is someone people can all id and defy
Yeah, I got that, let me clarify. He says he is paraphrasing a quote. Who is the quote from?
foucault he say
He's talking about Michel Foucault, who was a 20th century philosopher/social theorist(?) whose writings mostly aimed to give us a better understanding of how we observe/understand/use Power in sections of society such as sexuality, medicine, and of course politics
Thanks so much. I had tried to google it phonetically, and couldn't find it.
Why does Zane Lowe shave his head ? His hairline doesn't look bad
I miss Zane Lowe
Zane Lowe didn't do anything wrong in this interview. It was a good open and honest conversation.
"Meaningless, meaningless," said David's teacher, "Utterly meaningless! Everything is meaningless." Ecclesiastes 1:2 I can see why he likes Ecclesiastes. In all the meaninglessness, and the meaninglessness to the meaninglessness, I can create, today more than ever, from nothing. But isn't that art? Some I have shared Pure Comedy with say "How depressing", but to me, this is true freedom. All I really have is what I say I am committed to, but that is really true even if I am not the creator of it. Right? Of course, 4 -6 generations from now, no one knows I existed. Maybe sooner.
Release the Frank Ocean interview, please.