Kia/Hyundai/Genesis really knocking it out of the park. Going electric kinda leveled the playing field and brands who had weak brand cache in the gasoline market are able to reach out and steal the spotlight. Its been entertaining as hell watching this new EV arms race
I hope that holds to be true, cuz the current climate for EVs is pretty bleak looking into the near future. EV values are dropping at 4% per month. This car in particular is pretty important for the culture.
@@thanosianthemadtitanicit’s a EV, not like it’s a 600 hp ICE motor that they’ve built which would be more impressive. It’s easier to “steal the show” with an EV. How competitive is it at nearly $80k?
Kia and Hyundai all moved their factory to USA (which is not good for me for Korean, losing jobs) but since Americans buy lots of Hyundai and Kia, it is good to see that Hyundai and Kia sold a lot in US which is made by Americans
"most 3 row SUV buyers really need a minivan, they're just not willing to talk themselves into it" Exactly! Kia and their Carnival would seem to agree.
I was thinking that the EV9 interior really reminds me of the Carnival, particularly the impressive second row captain's chairs. It's more like a mini electrified Carnival more than a Telluride, but it has crossover SUV exterior styling that people tend to prefer. Not sure about those wheels, though. Obviously these are aero wheels of some sort, but still, I feel they could have done better.
Let's be honest here most "people" or rather women don't want to drive a family mini van and prefer the look of a 3row suv. Even if the mini van is more comfortable, cheaper, and convenient.
HEY DOUG! The reason behind a cover for the button that sets the tailgate height is so if you have loose cargo back there like a set of luggage it wont slide and accidentally hit the button. Therefore you know the height you set will remain constant, sir. Thank you for the amazing content!
I have a 2013 Tesla Model S, and they implemented the same feature (user-settable tailgate open height) just with a long press on the "close tailgate" button that you see once it's open. If you press it quickly, it starts to close. But if you long press it, you hear a beep, and now it has that height set. Nice feature, great implementation. And they did it 10 years ago.
Same with the one up front, where stuff will definitely slide and hit the button otherwise. I assume since this is a safety mandated thing, it would override and still allow to be opened even if the vehicle is moving. Some of these things that Doug find perplexing or quirky are a tad annoying as thinking about it for a few seconds, most would realize there's a reason for it.
Overengineering at its finest (I.e. dumbest), considering the extreme unlikelihood of something/someone activating that button. If one argues that there’s still a possibility, then why put it there to begin with? 😂
btw if u have a tight garage, I use the remote backing and front feature A LOT. when u got out of the car and didn't realized your car is sticking out on the road, rather than going back in the drive forward, you can just remote forward the car... people use this OFTEN you think... FYI
22:40 my dad uses that feature on his tucson pretty often, especially when he comes back from the store & some jerk decides to park too close to either side of the car. When put in situations where you need this feature, it's insanely useful.
Yeah, rather bold of him to say "nobody in history has used this function". If that truly were the case, the Hyundai 3 would stop putting it on their new vehicles. I regularly park in a parking garage with tight spaces and use smart park all the time.
I once had to park in a multi-story garage in a large city downtown. I parked up at the top in the most inconvenient place, with no one around, but of course when I came back the thing was packed full and two jackasses had given me less than two feet of clearance on either side. What I would've given at the time to have a back-out feature, but yeah, a 2006 Nissan Frontier was kinda lacking that lol.
This is especially useful for the disabled that might not be as athletic to make it into their cars through a narrow opening or just bigger people we can't fit through the narrow openings.
Straight-up: I'm coveting the EV9 more than I do some sports cars. The thought of an EV that can haul my budding family and deliver a load of tech is very appealing.
Yeah me too. I drive a polestar2 currently and what people need to understand is that the EV market currently caters a lot to looks/aerodynamics over cargo space.
The remote control parking function is very useful in dealing with manually operated gates. For example: shooting range, park, natural trail, fenced in land, inoperable garage door/powered gate, etc. These are fairly common. Without the remote control function the driver has to get off the car, manually open the gate, get in the car again to move it pass the gate, get off again to close the gate, then finally get in yet again. My 2016 Model S has this function but my new 2022 one doesn't. Really mad about it.
I've been saying this for a while now, but Kia/Hyundai have been KILLING IT compared to designs of other manufacturers with their new line ups. They just have a great balance between striking, futuristic looks, without going overboard. All while maintaining great value. Very much looking forward to seeing what they have to offer in the next decade.
The recall for the fires don't include the EVs. And I'm not sure of any reports of these EVs (or any of the push-button start vehicles) being stolen with a USB hack. Do you have any articles to back that claim? @@Realwessharpe
22:55 I can see why that feature may seem frivolous, but in the rare times I have needed it with my Model 3 it came in very handy. It happens when inconsiderate drivers park way too close to my drivers side door. I back the car straight out, and jump in when there is clearance to not ding up anyone.
I've found it handy for when I don't want to open the doors to let out warm air after preconditioning, but I need to move the car out of the garage for some reason. It also works nicely when I'm washing my car and I want to move it back a bit so it stays in the shade. Unfortunately it's too timid to park itself in my garage, though it has no problem backing out. (Model Y)
I feel the same. I live in S.Korea where parking spaces are no where near as wide as the US parking spaces. Often times people here also park terribly and the remote move function comes in handy. I find myself using it quite often, more than I thought I would. Its one of those features that once programmed, it cost them nothing to implement cause all the camera and sensors are already on the car standard.
I followed a prototype going up a mountain pass in Colorado in late July. My wife couldn't understand why I was so excited to see a midsize Kua crossover, especially since I was driving my Sorento.
Former minivan mom now driving an X…I’m intrigued and excited!! I loved my minivan (and we still have it). I like the rugged look and the space seems Van-comparable. I absolutely agree on the manual vs power seats. My biggest complaint with the X is falcon wing doors and seats take forever to open, close and fold. Thank you for the thorough review!
23:09 Doug, I drive a 2021 Santa Fe and I have used the remote control on the fob several times for the very purpose they created it for! It’s not every day, but when I’ve had to use it it’s easily one of my favorite features.
I totally agree with this, the Flex is the most EV-looking non-EV I've seen, lol; they really should consider it to compete in the 3-row SUV market again.
One feature in a lot of three rows that a lot of people don't think to try is to put the middle seats down flat, and then sit in the third row and prop your feet up on the second row seats. It's like riding in a limousine. Really great on long trips if you don't need all the seats for people.
I'd be curious how all of this relates to crash safety? It can't be good for your legs in side impact for example, but I could be wrong. Have always wondered this though and crash testing is never done that way.
What's even better, is turning that second row around, and then both the second and third rows get more legroom, unfortunately, we apparently don't get that feature in North America, only other countries. My old Mitsubishi delicas both had that feature, and it was amazing. In one of them we had seven people plus gear for two weeks on a long road trip, and everyone was comfortable. And it wasn't really much bigger of a vehicle than the EV9. In fact it was probably narrower, and shorter length, just taller.
Doug - I had that remote moving function to pull the car in and out of my 2 car garage in both my Tesla and Genesis GV60 and used it all the time. Getting 2 cars in my 2 car garage was very tight and this function allowed me to park both cars indoors so some people will use it all the time.
Great review as always Doug. I kinda like where KIA went with the design overall. It's not beautiful and it's not ugly. I actually like the wheel design for the aerodynamics. Being able to move your vehicle using a keyfob is freaking awesome. KIA almost knocked it out of the park with this one.
Just a note about the remote parking feature - I have the same on my ioniq 5, and I use it quite often. In my underground garage I park my motorcycle next to the wall in front of the car, and when I want to ride it I simply move the car out remotely, drive out with my bike and without getting off I repark the car. Love that feature!
I've been with Kia since I bought my Stinger brand new in 2018. Bought a Genesis GV70 brand new also in 2021. This is a home run for Kia/hyundai/genesis and I am excited to see them take this platform and expand upon it. The only real thing Kia/Hyundai need to improve upon is the extended wheelbase options, which really is more of a North American exclusive issue; so its understanding why it hadnt been a focus. But it would be wise if they expanded the wheel base of their telluride/palisade to better compete with the Wagoneer/Tahoe/expedition. Probably wont go that route, though, because they already unvieled their 2025 revisions of most of their lineup, which mostly consists of interior refreshes that are welcomed. The new interiors are fantastic, so much so that other brands are following the formula.
I think Kia/Hyundai/Genesis are doing a fantastic job. I have a 23 K5 and I love that car. I get complements all the time with people thinking its much more expensive than it actually is. My brother has an Elantra N, too, and Hyundai's N Division is doing some great work.
Even though Kia/Hyundai won't enter the mainstream full size SUV space, it's possible that the Genesis luxury division will enter the fullsize luxury SUV segment with it's GV90, to go after the X7, GLS, Grand Wagoneer regular length, escalade, etc
8:24 That's actually a neat feature, I rented a Mustang Mach-E recently and when I tried to plug my dashcam into the USB port to power it, it just started playing the video files on the camera instead of powering it.
The passenger talk is really nice idea. I tried to emulate this in a Tesla by just making a call between two phones inside the car, but the echo killed that and it didn't work. This is really useful when having a long conversation with the family on the long road trips as we often do.
I work for kia. With the inside information I have, there will be no GT, it will end at GT-Line for the time being - but I'll leave you with a easter egg. Each Kia model will have an electric equivalent in the next 7 years
@@jamesc.temple5615 any word if the carnival will be fully electric AND AWD? Or any word of a gas powered AWD carnival? I like that minivan but I need AWD since I live on a mountain with lots of snow.
@@Paulog1990 When the carnival gets a refresh in a couple years is when I’d estimate time wise. All Kia’s will eventually move to EV, many years down the road. Ones that will come out sooner will be that of the sorento and Sportage style. The manufacturer plant Sohari in Korea is undergoing a remodel to accommodate more towards hybrid and electric vehicles. I haven’t seen an eta on hybrid fortes, k5’s or carnivals but expect it within 2 years
Honestly this is an amazing entry to the 3-row EV market. Affordable (at least relatively speaking). And also from a manufacturer that has a few years experience in the EV world now which gives the buyer confidence more for the long term. Quirky but it’s nice, I like it.
I am amazed how different the pricing is in US compared to EU. In my country, Finland. EV9 starts at 82 000 euros. ~ 89 500 dollars. and a top specc model going well over 100k that's pretty much 50% more than US. Also we don't have any tax credits to EV's. Rather our goverment is planning on extra taxing for EV's currently. Latest suggestion was to tax EV's for 0,04 euros per kilometer(0,62 miles). Imagine a tax where you need to pay 5 dollars tax for every 100 miles you drive in America :) That's Finland for you.
2.8c per kilometre in the state of Victoria in Australia. I'm not sure your $5 us per mile is accurate. If it's 4 cents per kilometre euro then that is approximately 8.3c per mile USD.
@@kepter9990 Standard of living is not quite the same in the US, even with lower taxes in general. There are a lot of people who earn only 20'000 to 30'000 dollars a year.
I do have to say, the Smart Park feature is actually very useful for me, with a long narrow shared driveway between two houses. And the last time I was at the dealership there were NO spaces to park except by the service bays, where cars were parked so close the only open space was big enough for the GV70 but not big enough to open any doors. Smart Park both allowed me to park there and removed really any anxiety that I might ding a door getting in and out.
The placement of the shifter is a bit low, but the function is perfect: twist forward to move forward and twist rearward to reverse. Super logical, unlike so many other designs.
That's some funny stuff. Though I wouldn't be surprised if that were true and he had multiple shirts and filmed 2-3 cars in that location in a day and just changed shirts in between.
In countries with tight parking spaces like Korea where it comes from, the remote feature to pull in and/or out when there are literally only inches of clearance that option is essential.
29:05 - on the range front, on a family three-row SUV, 300 miles is more than enough. I road tripped thousands of miles at a go in a Prius with kids, and I don't think I ever went more than 200 miles in one go, because *SOMEONE* needed to stop and use the bathroom, eat, got antsy and needed a stretch, _something_ before we'd gone 300 miles. Hyundai/Kia's excellent charge speed means a 20 minute stop to get food/pee/stretch is more than enough to add enough range to make it to the next "DAAAAAD, I have to pee!" stop. (Unlike some other slower-charging brands.)
As someone who is obsessed with the Rivian R1S and should get mine soon, I LOVE the EV9. I keep trying to talk my friends/family into getting one so I can ride in it.
Kia killing the game in the EV segment. I love the overall package here. The design is funky overall. Great comfort and tech features. That 2nd row is the primo spot with heated/cool seats and that storage bin/table is unique. Bravo Kia!
My top trim 2021 Telluride was like $54K so all things considered a price of $65K is shocking (in a good way) given just how much more expensive EVs usually are. Tech keeps moving so the mid trim of this car is likely on par with the top of line model Telluride from 2-3 years ago.
Don’t forget maintenance though, I have two EVS with 200k miles a piece and the maintenance has been nothing but tires so far (knock on wood.) will your telluride make it that far? What about gas prices? I can get about .02/.03 cents per mile with my city electricity prices. But our Kia Telluride is Lucky to get .10 cents per mile with gas currently under 2.50$
Operational costs can also matter. I’m going to make a bit of a guess and put this in the 75-85 MPGe range. That’s a huge gain in efficiency versus gas powered. If you have access to decently priced electricity, that can make a pretty sizable change in your monthly cash flow. When I switched from ICE to PHEV, I dropped $250/mo in spending on gas, which let me pay for the car with my old gas money, and my electric bill went up by like $30. I think this is likely too expensive to even consider qualifying for the Federal incentives, let alone where it’s manufactured, but you might have state/local incentives that can save you money.
@@snopesman The price point will meet the federal EV incentive which is less than $85k. However they still won't get the incentive if this is not manufactured in America.
@@Marc-King777 That was exactly my point, even the mid-tier of this vehicle will be better than the top Trim 2021 Telluride I have, it will have feature my ICE vehicle can't possibly have, and it doesn't cost nearly as much more than the Telluride than I thought it would.
what cracks me up about the direction of ev's is that they used to be concerned about making them light and aerodynamic. now, they don't GAF about either and just add more and more batteries (increasing weight but not really increasing range), but omg aren't they so concerned about having door handles that retract because aerodynamics or something.
American consumers have been voting with their wallets for pickup and SUVs/crossover for decades. There are some stalwarts in the sedan space, but that market has really shrunk, and some gave up altogether. If you want to actually get mainstream acceptance of EVs, you need stuff on the market they want to actually buy. Replacing a three row SUV that’s getting mid teens to maybe 20 mpg with an electric version that’s more in the 75-85 MPGe range is a huge efficiency win. Of course, you have to put more electricity in it, but if you were shopping $55k-$75k 3 row SUVs with gas running $3.50ish/gallon (or higher in CA), it’s probably not your first concern.
except that 1) charging those massive battery packs now costs as much as gas, 2) the extra money you're paying upfront for the "privilege of saving the planet" means that you'll never get your monies worth, especially once you have to replace those battery packs, and 3) I don't have to worry about my ICE vehicle spontaneously combusting in my garage or if the engine gets wet. in every case, these ev's are a nuisance, a stain on the environment, and slave labor (oh, if only people knew how these minerals were mined, maybe they'd shut their mouths about being "green").@@snopesman
@@sigbauer9782battery chemistry is moving away from cadmium, which has problems with child labor. That said, plenty of other stuff we eat, like chocolate, also has similar problems. It’s also worth noting that petroleum extraction and refining has significant problems with human rights, corruption, environmental concerns, etc. It’s not like the fossil fuel industry has a sterling record.
Amazing how fast Kia/hyundai/Genesis offering so many EV’s vs other manufacturers. Very unique styling where so many vehicles look alike especially in a sea of SUV’s at the shopping centers. Good Job
Similar pricing to old school gas Tahoe that can easily climb to $70,000. Look what an old school Escalade cost. Cars are usually the second most expensive purchase after a home. A home is an asset. An expensive car is a depreciating liability. So many People financing over 5-7 years on a depreciating liability. Could be a down payment on a home
I really like the car and always enjoyed your reviews Doug, like this one. But calling this affordable might be a bit over the top. Or maybe I'm just poor idk 😄
I don’t drive more than 150 miles at a time except for once a year so I recently got an ioniq 5. Loving it so far. The specs on this car are similar in a bigger package.
I believe that KIA/Hyundai is also adapting the NACS standard, in which you can use the Tesla charging network. Which is significantly better than those Electrify America or other charging networks. The charging station situation should look a bit better than before. It is just the range left to deal with.
@@fredrce Chineses still haven't figured out how to keep their EVs from catching on fire. Or how to build anything for themselves. Look up tofu dreg construction. The Chinese only got to where they are by unapologetically ripping off everyone else.
@@BlackTorrent Your information is WAY out of date. While there are still Chinese cars like what you describe, you also have brands that are producing cars on par with the rest of the Asian market. The BYD Dolphin, Seal, and Atto 3 are all 5-star Euro NCAP rated cars, for example, as is the Chery OMODA5, another Chinese manufacturer. The Wey Coffee 01 was even listed as Large SUV "Best In Class" from Euro NCAP for 2022. You also have Volvo and Polestar that you might not think of as Chinese cars, but they're owned by Geely, a very Chinese car manufacturer.
@@BlackTorrentChinese luxury cars like BYD have made it into the market a long time ago, and their quality i great, even better then tesla i dare say. Exported cars are mainly to asia but give them a few more years, they will dominate this segment of electric cars. Trust me, BYD, Li, Geely are all just waiting for the launch of their cars in Europe and north America. their huge leap in progress is just going under the radar
im at the point in the video where doug is showing off the heated and cooled rear seats right now and its got me thinking: i really wish there were new cars that are just SIMPLE. i want a car that is cheap but can just DRIVE. im talking about a drive train, manual seats, no infotainment center, a horn, and maybe air conditioning
@@Goagao210 we like it. I think it typically gets pretty close to the 30 miles give or take. Stop and go traffic maybe not but highway def. During the winter we will get around 100mpg because the cabin is heated by the ICE. Summer is orders of magnitude better.
I picked up my Rivian R1S for $79,000 brand new. 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, 835hp. 34 inch off road tires, 15.1 ground clearance. Awesome off road So much fun. Not Minivan like. This is great at the 50-55K price point but at the 75K price point, it is in Model X and Rivian R1s space.
I have a '23 ev6 and love it. I actually liked the concept look of the ev9 better, particularly the triangular rims and suicide doors it had...too bad they didn't keep those... as for this production version I would never get it since I don't have a family to take advantage of it, not to mention I'm not into the whole boxy look....I do like the new dash improvements they made and the rear view camera/mirror... looking forward to seeing an updated ev6 in a year or 2 to see if they incorporate or improve some of the ev9 features.
Man, Kia killed it! The design is great, and I happen to love the wheels. The color on this one is magnificent too. Surprised there's no 8 seat configuration though
I said it the last time you mentioned it, but my mom has a 2023 Santa Fe, and I have used to parking buttons on the fob several times. I live in a city and sometimes parking lots are small, and it’s really nice to just back the car out of the spot to get in.
Definitely not a fan of the Design but definitely good to see a more affordable 3-row SUV and i hope there will be more from other Brands. I've already seen several VW Buzz here in Germany (not Dealer or Manufacturer Models, but privately owned) and that's about it. Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
My brother just preordered one! It’s the only car that fits his needs, and he’s super stoked about it! Can’t wait to check it out when he takes delivery!
I think the placement of the climate display is excellent, using screen real estate otherwise unused in between what you see through and on the right side of the steering wheel. Instead of being hidden in some menu, it is always visible; move your head slightly. And I bet there is a large climate menu that can be shown on the right side of the steering wheel.
Also when you get to very crowded cities like Tokyo or Seoul that becomes very handy in parking especially car this size. US is build for bigger cars so it's not really obvious
Looks really nice, but only the $76000+ one gets this 4.5 second 0-60 performance. Rivian R1S is only $78K with the dual motor and does it in 4 seconds, so very close in many respects. Comes with some things better at that price, like larger screens and a bigger front trunk that is fully powered, with adaptive air suspension. I'd be more interested to see how the 55-65K versions of the EV9 look and drive, that is where this vehicle is really in a category of it's own.
The single motor EV9s put out ~200hp. That's going to be uncomfortably, possibly even dangerously slow for an almost three-ton SUV. The Telluride is a thousand pounds lighter with close to 300hp.
The biggest competitor is the x and a loaded ev9 is priced 1k more than a lr model x . That does 0-60 in 3.6 and quarter mile in the mid 11s . 330+ miles of range etc . That’s really the hard sell of this in my eyes . It needs to either be cheaper or offer more at 70+ to be super competitive . R1s as well is a huge deal for its money compared to this
@@IReahpZz I've spent a lot of time driving a Model X, it's really just a bloated sedan, and the one at that price is only a 5 seater. I wouldn't really consider it an EV9 or Rivian R1S competitor, it's so different.
@@Aegisx5 every suv is a bloated sedan outside dedicated trucks lmao . Odd statement . Ev9 is really outclassed here at its price . Appreciate your input tho
Recently, I can't deny Kia has been making some absolutely fantastic cars like the Telluride and EV6. Judging the EV9 based off of only looks, it looks like a far cry from the EV6 in styling. Too much black and looks too much like a Kia Soul from the back. The EV6 is sporty and stylish, and although the two vehicles serve different demographics, I would've at least liked to see it as a comparable option to the Telluride in styling cues.
Thank you Doug! I’ve been waiting for this. I have a ‘22 Telluride and LOVE it. So much comfort and tech for the price point. I really want the EV9 to succeed however I wish it would get more that a measly 300miles per charge.
300? For $55k you get a rated 230miles . Have to pay $60k to get a rated 280miles . Starting tesla model y 7-seat , $46,500 with a rated 260miles . Tesla model y long range 330miles rated , even that at 7 seat is lower then Kia . $51,500 . That’s a huge difference . 3rd row both look the same . Rather cramped . So odd pricing
I do use the key remote drive. If i want to move the car closer to the curb using front-on parking, it works great. If I need the car moved to do something in the garage - easy to move it in and out without even getting in. Tight parking spot and a jerk who parks too close? It helps.
I like the styling, just wish it had a few things, a panoramic roof like the rivian R1S, a large frunk, more leg room in third row, and NaCs (teslas connector, yes it’s coming in 2025, but I want it now). With Lucids suv revealed, i wish the ev9 had a 350-400 mile highway range
Just had our baby girl Saturday and I’ve been thinking about checking this out as an option for a more family-friendly car! You read my mind Doug, thanks!
maybe modern parents are weak but i was raised with 2 other siblings in the back of a 2004 honda civic and we all turned out fine. My parents only got something bigger (toyota sienna) once we they had their 4th child. even then, they refused to buy an SUV, and 4 vans later, they still wont. @@2Kriss2Kross
Nice to see that you know everyone's usecase...could you also tell me what my life and requirements are? Don't assume you a... I actually did with the stroller, additional bevy of supplies...its just most of us make do with multiple runs...why not get it all done at once. I really didnt need the space when the kid reaches elementary and then heh i definitely did in middle school and then high school. Also if you go buying and selling antique furniture, used ergonomic office chairs and other larger items as part of your hobby you definitely do need the additional space without needing to buy a separate vehicle. Multiuse.
I’ve been keeping an eye on this for over a year! I finally got to see a demo in a KIA showroom recently and this thing has presence. The only open question I have right now (and one the dealership couldn’t answer) is if it will be eligible for the Federal Tax Credit for EV’s. If so, it’ll be a no brainer for me!
It might eventually. They are supposed to start building it at their US factory sometime in 2024. But will also depend on where they source their batteries and battery materials.
I would like to see this up against the three row Cadillac variant (symboliq) I think these two(until ford comes to market) would be the dominant EVs in the SUV space over model X
The way Doug ALWAYS comments on AC controls I assume he just adjusts the fan and temp of his cars non-stop 😂. I don't think I've adjusted my car from AUTO and 68 degrees except for putting on the defogger
The 4WD lock feature could be useful for the handful of owners that would know what it does. Any typical owner will have no idea what it does though. It's like when a city girl buys an off road jeep and has no idea how 4WD works nor any idea that they are driving in RWD
22:35 - That compartment is so small, I can't imagine even a small person would have room to open up that little button cover to press the emergency escape button! But that does add the advantage that it won't get accidentally triggered by cargo. I know one person who had the button accidentally triggered by shifting cargo while they were on the freeway, and their vehicle disabled itself until the cargo compartment was tightly closed, requiring a quick stop on the shoulder. (Thankfully not a frunk where the hood opening in motion would fly open and break things!)
It’s not that much cheaper than a two motor Rivian. The R1Ss all have awd and at least 550 hp. The two motor Rivians also have significantly better range available. The R1S has a fairly large Frunk too. This is a neat vehicle and will be very successful but I’d buy a two motor R1S with the Large battery pack for ab $83k over this at $77k. The R1 with the standard pack has the same range and is basically the same price as the EV9.
Something else to consider is servicing. Every population center has a Kia dealer. Rivian is like early Tesla where the car will need to be towed to some faraway service center.
@@bwofficial1776 The issue is Electric vehicle it has to be a specific service center.. Tesla it is all they do..100%. I would bet 80% of Kia tech have never touched or serviced an electric vehicle.
@@David-dx5wz That's annoying if you want to eat up miles in a day. I regularly drive from Atlanta, GA to Philadelphia, PA in one day. While I'm gassing up the car halfway there, my passenger runs in to use the bathroom. When the car's done fueling, I run in and use the bathroom. We switch drivers and drive on for the other 400 miles. Total stopped time, under 10 minutes. I don't want to be forced to sit and wait for 30 minutes every 200 miles. That will add two hours to an already long drive.
i have a 2021 Hyundai Tucson and it has the remote moving function and I use it all the time. very useful with tight carapaces that Australia has. Which is most of them. So yes people do use it!
yeah, I had a 72 Pontiac Grand Prix with flush door handles...instead of electronic junk that would break, you just pressed it in on one side and it would pop out the other to open...slick, classy, and wont fail.
Boy for some weird reason, that car looks like a modern looking 80ish car! Like it came out in 1984-85! I remember going to the auto shows in the 80s and seeing futuristic looking concept vehicles looking like that Kia! I’m I the only one here!?
I don’t know why every electric car has to have “futuristic styling,” just use a normal design and make it more aerodynamic, like the Genesis G80 Electric.
Fun fact. My previous car was a 2015 civic si and that also had a blind spot camera. VERY USEFUL. BUT, it was only on the passenger side (under right mirror).
Im sorry but you're out of touch with the common folk. $64k starting price for an EV9 AWD is not "affordable". Yes, it's less expensive compared to some rivals, but we're living in a time where the AVERAGE car already costs an insane $50k with AVERAGE monthly payments over $700... This is $14k+ more than that meaning the monthly payment is close to $1000 per month (unless you have a substantial trade in). Hardly "affordable" ...
The front looks fantastic, the rear looks decent, the profile looks good, making this the best looking CUV/SUV of the 3-row crowd, EVs & dino-juice burners included. The interior also looks good in the video, esp. for a non-luxury brand. The range and power figures (esp. in the 2WD versions) are not the best, but I guess those compromises needed to be made to hit price points...
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Kia/Hyundai/Genesis really knocking it out of the park. Going electric kinda leveled the playing field and brands who had weak brand cache in the gasoline market are able to reach out and steal the spotlight. Its been entertaining as hell watching this new EV arms race
yea and to your point i'd never thought i'd see a 600 horsepower kia or hyundaj but here we are....
I hope that holds to be true, cuz the current climate for EVs is pretty bleak looking into the near future. EV values are dropping at 4% per month. This car in particular is pretty important for the culture.
Im finally done with my hiring process at Hyundai/Genesis! Man it took a week! They are a very high volume dealership it’s unbelievable!
@@thanosianthemadtitanicit’s a EV, not like it’s a 600 hp ICE motor that they’ve built which would be more impressive. It’s easier to “steal the show” with an EV. How competitive is it at nearly $80k?
@G-Rated very competitive considering EV values drop like a stone. Imagine a teenager in a couple years having access to Lamborghini power
I proudly build the KIA EV9 in Westpoint, GA at the Kia factory!!
W O R D! 💪🏾
Kia was cooking with this one
Kia and Hyundai all moved their factory to USA (which is not good for me for Korean, losing jobs) but since Americans buy lots of Hyundai and Kia, it is good to see that Hyundai and Kia sold a lot in US which is made by Americans
"most 3 row SUV buyers really need a minivan, they're just not willing to talk themselves into it"
Exactly! Kia and their Carnival would seem to agree.
Heck most American families just need a full size sedan but refuse to buy anything less than a land tank
I was thinking that the EV9 interior really reminds me of the Carnival, particularly the impressive second row captain's chairs. It's more like a mini electrified Carnival more than a Telluride, but it has crossover SUV exterior styling that people tend to prefer. Not sure about those wheels, though. Obviously these are aero wheels of some sort, but still, I feel they could have done better.
We love our Carnival.
waiting for the extended wheelbase id buzz!
Let's be honest here most "people" or rather women don't want to drive a family mini van and prefer the look of a 3row suv. Even if the mini van is more comfortable, cheaper, and convenient.
HEY DOUG! The reason behind a cover for the button that sets the tailgate height is so if you have loose cargo back there like a set of luggage it wont slide and accidentally hit the button. Therefore you know the height you set will remain constant, sir. Thank you for the amazing content!
I always appreciate it.
I have a 2013 Tesla Model S, and they implemented the same feature (user-settable tailgate open height) just with a long press on the "close tailgate" button that you see once it's open. If you press it quickly, it starts to close. But if you long press it, you hear a beep, and now it has that height set. Nice feature, great implementation. And they did it 10 years ago.
Setting the open height is nothing new. It's needed if you have a garage and it opens into the opening. Had to do that with our CRV.
Same with the one up front, where stuff will definitely slide and hit the button otherwise. I assume since this is a safety mandated thing, it would override and still allow to be opened even if the vehicle is moving.
Some of these things that Doug find perplexing or quirky are a tad annoying as thinking about it for a few seconds, most would realize there's a reason for it.
Overengineering at its finest (I.e. dumbest), considering the extreme unlikelihood of something/someone activating that button. If one argues that there’s still a possibility, then why put it there to begin with? 😂
btw if u have a tight garage, I use the remote backing and front feature A LOT. when u got out of the car and didn't realized your car is sticking out on the road, rather than going back in the drive forward, you can just remote forward the car... people use this OFTEN you think... FYI
22:40 my dad uses that feature on his tucson pretty often, especially when he comes back from the store & some jerk decides to park too close to either side of the car. When put in situations where you need this feature, it's insanely useful.
Yeah, rather bold of him to say "nobody in history has used this function". If that truly were the case, the Hyundai 3 would stop putting it on their new vehicles. I regularly park in a parking garage with tight spaces and use smart park all the time.
@@jeffs6090Hyundai 2 and Mazda 2 also.
I once had to park in a multi-story garage in a large city downtown. I parked up at the top in the most inconvenient place, with no one around, but of course when I came back the thing was packed full and two jackasses had given me less than two feet of clearance on either side. What I would've given at the time to have a back-out feature, but yeah, a 2006 Nissan Frontier was kinda lacking that lol.
This is especially useful for the disabled that might not be as athletic to make it into their cars through a narrow opening or just bigger people we can't fit through the narrow openings.
Honestly any driver in Seoul would appreciate this.
That's not a crossover, that's a freaking TANK
It's called choice, I bet it's going to sell.
@@RichardFraser-y9t That's all fine, it's allowed to sell but I think it's really wasteful, in terms of materials, electricity road wear etc....
The crossover tank segment is about to blow up mark my words
Abortion is a "choice" also something your mother should've thought harder about.
That is nothing close to a tank. Even the Rivian is a small suv.
Straight-up: I'm coveting the EV9 more than I do some sports cars. The thought of an EV that can haul my budding family and deliver a load of tech is very appealing.
Yeah me too. I drive a polestar2 currently and what people need to understand is that the EV market currently caters a lot to looks/aerodynamics over cargo space.
We've had ours for almost 8 months now, and still love it like day one. I have 5 cars, and we routinely pick the EV9 for normal day to day trips.
The remote control parking function is very useful in dealing with manually operated gates. For example: shooting range, park, natural trail, fenced in land, inoperable garage door/powered gate, etc. These are fairly common. Without the remote control function the driver has to get off the car, manually open the gate, get in the car again to move it pass the gate, get off again to close the gate, then finally get in yet again. My 2016 Model S has this function but my new 2022 one doesn't. Really mad about it.
1st world problems
The 2022 model realistically doesnt have parking sensor.
@@IntensePeppers 1st world cars
@@MikeKayK true
@IntensePeppers it's ok to have 1st world problems bud cry harder
I've been saying this for a while now, but Kia/Hyundai have been KILLING IT compared to designs of other manufacturers with their new line ups. They just have a great balance between striking, futuristic looks, without going overboard. All while maintaining great value. Very much looking forward to seeing what they have to offer in the next decade.
Design doesn't matter when your vehicles can catch on fire at the blink of an eye or get stolen with a USB cable
The recall for the fires don't include the EVs. And I'm not sure of any reports of these EVs (or any of the push-button start vehicles) being stolen with a USB hack. Do you have any articles to back that claim? @@Realwessharpe
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ever since the Kia Stinger 6 years ago, they made their presence relevant
@@tocreatee5736 That was an estimate and the guy ended up scrapping it before they could run further diagnostics/looking further into the case.
22:55 I can see why that feature may seem frivolous, but in the rare times I have needed it with my Model 3 it came in very handy. It happens when inconsiderate drivers park way too close to my drivers side door. I back the car straight out, and jump in when there is clearance to not ding up anyone.
Same here with the Kia sportage. Hope they dont get rid of this feature!
I've found it handy for when I don't want to open the doors to let out warm air after preconditioning, but I need to move the car out of the garage for some reason. It also works nicely when I'm washing my car and I want to move it back a bit so it stays in the shade. Unfortunately it's too timid to park itself in my garage, though it has no problem backing out. (Model Y)
I feel the same. I live in S.Korea where parking spaces are no where near as wide as the US parking spaces. Often times people here also park terribly and the remote move function comes in handy. I find myself using it quite often, more than I thought I would. Its one of those features that once programmed, it cost them nothing to implement cause all the camera and sensors are already on the car standard.
@@Kevin00-if they removed this feature, KIA owners gonna get unhappy for it.
I agree, had times people park too close for me to get in my car without hitting their doors and squeezing in my car
The design team at Kia needs a raise ASAP
Thanks to the germans they hired lol.
They need the be fired
@@nobody6067 No
@@nobody6067no
I followed a prototype going up a mountain pass in Colorado in late July. My wife couldn't understand why I was so excited to see a midsize Kua crossover, especially since I was driving my Sorento.
I love my Sorento 2018! I was thinking about a Sorento Hybrid for my next vehicle, but I might just go for the EV6.
Why were you excited?
Former minivan mom now driving an X…I’m intrigued and excited!! I loved my minivan (and we still have it). I like the rugged look and the space seems Van-comparable. I absolutely agree on the manual vs power seats. My biggest complaint with the X is falcon wing doors and seats take forever to open, close and fold. Thank you for the thorough review!
Had no idea what "x" was until I realized you meant model x
23:09 Doug, I drive a 2021 Santa Fe and I have used the remote control on the fob several times for the very purpose they created it for!
It’s not every day, but when I’ve had to use it it’s easily one of my favorite features.
Reminds me slightly of the facelifted ford flex. I think that should NEVER have been cancelled and would probably see success as a hybrid or ev.
I totally agree with this, the Flex is the most EV-looking non-EV I've seen, lol; they really should consider it to compete in the 3-row SUV market again.
I always thought it was weird the Flex didn't get a hybrid variant when nearly every other Ford product from that time period did.
One feature in a lot of three rows that a lot of people don't think to try is to put the middle seats down flat, and then sit in the third row and prop your feet up on the second row seats. It's like riding in a limousine. Really great on long trips if you don't need all the seats for people.
A long trip with no luggage, I'm assuming?
@@jhref Perhaps. If it's a long day trip or overnight trip you don't need a ton of cargo space.
I'd be curious how all of this relates to crash safety? It can't be good for your legs in side impact for example, but I could be wrong. Have always wondered this though and crash testing is never done that way.
What's even better, is turning that second row around, and then both the second and third rows get more legroom, unfortunately, we apparently don't get that feature in North America, only other countries. My old Mitsubishi delicas both had that feature, and it was amazing. In one of them we had seven people plus gear for two weeks on a long road trip, and everyone was comfortable. And it wasn't really much bigger of a vehicle than the EV9. In fact it was probably narrower, and shorter length, just taller.
Haha! I did just that in my first-gen Honda Odyssey (Shuttle in Europe) back in the day!
Doug - I had that remote moving function to pull the car in and out of my 2 car garage in both my Tesla and Genesis GV60 and used it all the time. Getting 2 cars in my 2 car garage was very tight and this function allowed me to park both cars indoors so some people will use it all the time.
Great review as always Doug. I kinda like where KIA went with the design overall. It's not beautiful and it's not ugly. I actually like the wheel design for the aerodynamics. Being able to move your vehicle using a keyfob is freaking awesome. KIA almost knocked it out of the park with this one.
Just a note about the remote parking feature - I have the same on my ioniq 5, and I use it quite often. In my underground garage I park my motorcycle next to the wall in front of the car, and when I want to ride it I simply move the car out remotely, drive out with my bike and without getting off I repark the car. Love that feature!
Kia is KILLING it. The K5 is a big success, the Telluride is amazing, the EV6 and now this. Absolutely incredible!
All manufacturers have gone rapidly downhill in the last 15 years.
I want some of your spam.
Plus they got EV3 and EV4 on their future lineup
I've been with Kia since I bought my Stinger brand new in 2018. Bought a Genesis GV70 brand new also in 2021. This is a home run for Kia/hyundai/genesis and I am excited to see them take this platform and expand upon it.
The only real thing Kia/Hyundai need to improve upon is the extended wheelbase options, which really is more of a North American exclusive issue; so its understanding why it hadnt been a focus. But it would be wise if they expanded the wheel base of their telluride/palisade to better compete with the Wagoneer/Tahoe/expedition.
Probably wont go that route, though, because they already unvieled their 2025 revisions of most of their lineup, which mostly consists of interior refreshes that are welcomed. The new interiors are fantastic, so much so that other brands are following the formula.
Genesis GV70 also worked better than KIA EV9.
I think Kia/Hyundai/Genesis are doing a fantastic job. I have a 23 K5 and I love that car. I get complements all the time with people thinking its much more expensive than it actually is. My brother has an Elantra N, too, and Hyundai's N Division is doing some great work.
Thanks to America's obsession with SUVs. All best selling vehicles for Genesis are their SUVs (GV70, GV80).
Even though Kia/Hyundai won't enter the mainstream full size SUV space, it's possible that the Genesis luxury division will enter the fullsize luxury SUV segment with it's GV90, to go after the X7, GLS, Grand Wagoneer regular length, escalade, etc
8:24 That's actually a neat feature, I rented a Mustang Mach-E recently and when I tried to plug my dashcam into the USB port to power it, it just started playing the video files on the camera instead of powering it.
The passenger talk is really nice idea. I tried to emulate this in a Tesla by just making a call between two phones inside the car, but the echo killed that and it didn't work. This is really useful when having a long conversation with the family on the long road trips as we often do.
I love how they kept the belt line low and large windows
4.5 is impressive for the GT-Line. Cant wait to see what the EV9 GT provides.
I work for kia. With the inside information I have, there will be no GT, it will end at GT-Line for the time being - but I'll leave you with a easter egg. Each Kia model will have an electric equivalent in the next 7 years
@@jamesc.temple5615 any word if the carnival will be fully electric AND AWD? Or any word of a gas powered AWD carnival? I like that minivan but I need AWD since I live on a mountain with lots of snow.
@@Paulog1990 AWD is so much easier to do with electric, and their EGMP platform is RWD/AWD, so I'd assume so.
@@Paulog1990 When the carnival gets a refresh in a couple years is when I’d estimate time wise. All Kia’s will eventually move to EV, many years down the road. Ones that will come out sooner will be that of the sorento and Sportage style. The manufacturer plant Sohari in Korea is undergoing a remodel to accommodate more towards hybrid and electric vehicles. I haven’t seen an eta on hybrid fortes, k5’s or carnivals but expect it within 2 years
@@Paulog1990 Colorado moment.
Honestly this is an amazing entry to the 3-row EV market. Affordable (at least relatively speaking). And also from a manufacturer that has a few years experience in the EV world now which gives the buyer confidence more for the long term. Quirky but it’s nice, I like it.
I am amazed how different the pricing is in US compared to EU. In my country, Finland. EV9 starts at 82 000 euros. ~ 89 500 dollars. and a top specc model going well over 100k that's pretty much 50% more than US. Also we don't have any tax credits to EV's. Rather our goverment is planning on extra taxing for EV's currently. Latest suggestion was to tax EV's for 0,04 euros per kilometer(0,62 miles). Imagine a tax where you need to pay 5 dollars tax for every 100 miles you drive in America :) That's Finland for you.
@@kepter9990 I think Europe generally has very high import taxes for products, so that cost just gets past on to the consumer.
@@kepter9990 that is happening in the US in some states. Taxing ev users to offset loss of fuel sales. Its a bloody joke.
2.8c per kilometre in the state of Victoria in Australia.
I'm not sure your $5 us per mile is accurate. If it's 4 cents per kilometre euro then that is approximately 8.3c per mile USD.
@@kepter9990 Standard of living is not quite the same in the US, even with lower taxes in general. There are a lot of people who earn only 20'000 to 30'000 dollars a year.
I do have to say, the Smart Park feature is actually very useful for me, with a long narrow shared driveway between two houses. And the last time I was at the dealership there were NO spaces to park except by the service bays, where cars were parked so close the only open space was big enough for the GV70 but not big enough to open any doors. Smart Park both allowed me to park there and removed really any anxiety that I might ding a door getting in and out.
I absolutely LOVE the exterior design. Looks futuristic, unique, and stylish. Would be nice to have the gps map on the cluster gauge
The placement of the shifter is a bit low, but the function is perfect: twist forward to move forward and twist rearward to reverse. Super logical, unlike so many other designs.
Doug is the kind of guy that keeps a rolling rack of t-shirts in his garage. 7:23
That's some funny stuff. Though I wouldn't be surprised if that were true and he had multiple shirts and filmed 2-3 cars in that location in a day and just changed shirts in between.
Today’s shirt outs @dougdemuro as a Gilmore Girls fan. 😊
In countries with tight parking spaces like Korea where it comes from, the remote feature to pull in and/or out when there are literally only inches of clearance that option is essential.
29:05 - on the range front, on a family three-row SUV, 300 miles is more than enough. I road tripped thousands of miles at a go in a Prius with kids, and I don't think I ever went more than 200 miles in one go, because *SOMEONE* needed to stop and use the bathroom, eat, got antsy and needed a stretch, _something_ before we'd gone 300 miles. Hyundai/Kia's excellent charge speed means a 20 minute stop to get food/pee/stretch is more than enough to add enough range to make it to the next "DAAAAAD, I have to pee!" stop. (Unlike some other slower-charging brands.)
As someone who is obsessed with the Rivian R1S and should get mine soon, I LOVE the EV9. I keep trying to talk my friends/family into getting one so I can ride in it.
I’m likely going to cancel my R1S and get the EV9 primarily for the captain second row. Rivian really dropped the ball on not have captain seats.
Kia killing the game in the EV segment. I love the overall package here. The design is funky overall. Great comfort and tech features. That 2nd row is the primo spot with heated/cool seats and that storage bin/table is unique. Bravo Kia!
EVs not really a segment but a solid improvement over ICE equivalents.
lol.@@zzappligator
My top trim 2021 Telluride was like $54K so all things considered a price of $65K is shocking (in a good way) given just how much more expensive EVs usually are. Tech keeps moving so the mid trim of this car is likely on par with the top of line model Telluride from 2-3 years ago.
Don’t forget maintenance though, I have two EVS with 200k miles a piece and the maintenance has been nothing but tires so far (knock on wood.) will your telluride make it that far? What about gas prices? I can get about .02/.03 cents per mile with my city electricity prices. But our Kia Telluride is Lucky to get .10 cents per mile with gas currently under 2.50$
Operational costs can also matter. I’m going to make a bit of a guess and put this in the 75-85 MPGe range. That’s a huge gain in efficiency versus gas powered. If you have access to decently priced electricity, that can make a pretty sizable change in your monthly cash flow. When I switched from ICE to PHEV, I dropped $250/mo in spending on gas, which let me pay for the car with my old gas money, and my electric bill went up by like $30.
I think this is likely too expensive to even consider qualifying for the Federal incentives, let alone where it’s manufactured, but you might have state/local incentives that can save you money.
@@snopesman The price point will meet the federal EV incentive which is less than $85k. However they still won't get the incentive if this is not manufactured in America.
Sorry, but this blows the Telluride into oblivion. It just does. I'm sorry.
@@Marc-King777 That was exactly my point, even the mid-tier of this vehicle will be better than the top Trim 2021 Telluride I have, it will have feature my ICE vehicle can't possibly have, and it doesn't cost nearly as much more than the Telluride than I thought it would.
23:05 I’ve used that feature tons of times in my Model Y. A few times it was the only way I could get into a charging spot.
what cracks me up about the direction of ev's is that they used to be concerned about making them light and aerodynamic. now, they don't GAF about either and just add more and more batteries (increasing weight but not really increasing range), but omg aren't they so concerned about having door handles that retract because aerodynamics or something.
Yep - the overall ethos seems to be "it's an EV so anything goes." Not sure how eco-friendly that message really is.
American consumers have been voting with their wallets for pickup and SUVs/crossover for decades. There are some stalwarts in the sedan space, but that market has really shrunk, and some gave up altogether. If you want to actually get mainstream acceptance of EVs, you need stuff on the market they want to actually buy. Replacing a three row SUV that’s getting mid teens to maybe 20 mpg with an electric version that’s more in the 75-85 MPGe range is a huge efficiency win.
Of course, you have to put more electricity in it, but if you were shopping $55k-$75k 3 row SUVs with gas running $3.50ish/gallon (or higher in CA), it’s probably not your first concern.
except that 1) charging those massive battery packs now costs as much as gas, 2) the extra money you're paying upfront for the "privilege of saving the planet" means that you'll never get your monies worth, especially once you have to replace those battery packs, and 3) I don't have to worry about my ICE vehicle spontaneously combusting in my garage or if the engine gets wet.
in every case, these ev's are a nuisance, a stain on the environment, and slave labor (oh, if only people knew how these minerals were mined, maybe they'd shut their mouths about being "green").@@snopesman
@@sigbauer9782battery chemistry is moving away from cadmium, which has problems with child labor. That said, plenty of other stuff we eat, like chocolate, also has similar problems. It’s also worth noting that petroleum extraction and refining has significant problems with human rights, corruption, environmental concerns, etc. It’s not like the fossil fuel industry has a sterling record.
never said that; but you also don't hear those industries talking about how "Green" they are...unless you're apple. @@snopesman
Amazing how fast Kia/hyundai/Genesis offering so many EV’s vs other manufacturers. Very unique styling where so many vehicles look alike especially in a sea of SUV’s at the shopping centers. Good Job
I like the boxy exterior. Similar to boxy Escalade and Tahoe
Similar pricing to old school gas Tahoe that can easily climb to $70,000. Look what an old school Escalade cost. Cars are usually the second most expensive purchase after a home. A home is an asset. An expensive car is a depreciating liability. So many
People financing over 5-7 years on a depreciating liability. Could be a down payment on a home
Nice Aluminum pedals vs rubber ones. Attention to detail
You have a fob like a Tesla. Why do you need an on/off button. The car is ready to go with the fob no button needed
I really like the car and always enjoyed your reviews Doug, like this one. But calling this affordable might be a bit over the top. Or maybe I'm just poor idk 😄
Really good looking vehicle, once the range and charging stations get better, I would definitely consider switching from my telluride
I don’t drive more than 150 miles at a time except for once a year so I recently got an ioniq 5. Loving it so far. The specs on this car are similar in a bigger package.
I believe that KIA/Hyundai is also adapting the NACS standard, in which you can use the Tesla charging network. Which is significantly better than those Electrify America or other charging networks. The charging station situation should look a bit better than before. It is just the range left to deal with.
Oh YEAH but it's not and it never will
It still takes coal to power it you idiots.
@@autojohn-pu1vfso negative
Amazing how far Kia has come from the Pride in a relatively short time.
Chineses went to be better than kia/hyundai in even a shorter time
This kia looks like a car straight out of Back To The Future 2.
@@fredrce Chineses still haven't figured out how to keep their EVs from catching on fire. Or how to build anything for themselves. Look up tofu dreg construction. The Chinese only got to where they are by unapologetically ripping off everyone else.
@@BlackTorrent Your information is WAY out of date. While there are still Chinese cars like what you describe, you also have brands that are producing cars on par with the rest of the Asian market. The BYD Dolphin, Seal, and Atto 3 are all 5-star Euro NCAP rated cars, for example, as is the Chery OMODA5, another Chinese manufacturer. The Wey Coffee 01 was even listed as Large SUV "Best In Class" from Euro NCAP for 2022. You also have Volvo and Polestar that you might not think of as Chinese cars, but they're owned by Geely, a very Chinese car manufacturer.
@@BlackTorrentChinese luxury cars like BYD have made it into the market a long time ago, and their quality i great, even better then tesla i dare say. Exported cars are mainly to asia but give them a few more years, they will dominate this segment of electric cars. Trust me, BYD, Li, Geely are all just waiting for the launch of their cars in Europe and north America. their huge leap in progress is just going under the radar
Why isn’t the Volvo EX90 considered to be competition for this vehicle? When does the EX90 go on sale in the US?
More expensive.
im at the point in the video where doug is showing off the heated and cooled rear seats right now and its got me thinking: i really wish there were new cars that are just SIMPLE. i want a car that is cheap but can just DRIVE. im talking about a drive train, manual seats, no infotainment center, a horn, and maybe air conditioning
❗!!! You didn't mention that the two seats in the middle row turn around and face the rear row!!! That's such a cool feature ❗
It’s not available in the US
@@filetofish7688 a ok I'm European, so I dind't know that, thank you for the answer
I've used the smart park feature in our santa fe phev several times. It's definitely a nice to have just in case.
How do you like the SF phev? Does it get the electric range as claimed?
@@Goagao210 we like it. I think it typically gets pretty close to the 30 miles give or take. Stop and go traffic maybe not but highway def. During the winter we will get around 100mpg because the cabin is heated by the ICE. Summer is orders of magnitude better.
See this every other carmaker? This is how you make an interior of a EV (any car for that matter). Good mix of buttons and screens
Doug, you need more lighting in your new filming location in the garage. Especially when you are filming the interiors, too dark. Thanks :)
Doug. We dont all live in sunny Cali. Some folks live in winter heavy areas, and 4 wheel lock will be needed.
I picked up my Rivian R1S for $79,000 brand new. 0-60 in 3.1 seconds, 835hp. 34 inch off road tires, 15.1 ground clearance. Awesome off road So much fun. Not Minivan like. This is great at the 50-55K price point but at the 75K price point, it is in Model X and Rivian R1s space.
I have a '23 ev6 and love it. I actually liked the concept look of the ev9 better, particularly the triangular rims and suicide doors it had...too bad they didn't keep those...
as for this production version I would never get it since I don't have a family to take advantage of it, not to mention I'm not into the whole boxy look....I do like the new dash improvements they made and the rear view camera/mirror...
looking forward to seeing an updated ev6 in a year or 2 to see if they incorporate or improve some of the ev9 features.
What a cool family electric SUV!
Man, Kia killed it! The design is great, and I happen to love the wheels. The color on this one is magnificent too. Surprised there's no 8 seat configuration though
I wish they would.
@@metricstormtrooperI'm guessing you don't like electric cars, lol
I'm guessing it's because the third row is between the rear wheels. Would be too cramped back there.
I'm glad you felt the need for explaining the purpose of the + and - sign..
I said it the last time you mentioned it, but my mom has a 2023 Santa Fe, and I have used to parking buttons on the fob several times. I live in a city and sometimes parking lots are small, and it’s really nice to just back the car out of the spot to get in.
Also just really appreciate Doug for being a guy who owns million-dollar cars but still understands for normies like us, $60,000 counts as expensive.
this is where electric wagons would be popular. low to the ground for efficiency and range but spacious for 3 rows
Bring back the Ford flex!
Definitely not a fan of the Design but definitely good to see a more affordable 3-row SUV and i hope there will be more from other Brands.
I've already seen several VW Buzz here in Germany (not Dealer or Manufacturer Models, but privately owned) and that's about it.
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
My brother just preordered one! It’s the only car that fits his needs, and he’s super stoked about it! Can’t wait to check it out when he takes delivery!
Nobody 'needs' an overweight EV like this.
@@ArchimedeanEye
Yes underpowered & overweight
Just test drove the wind version of this and I was blown away . Thing rides like a dream and in sport mode is crazy fast
I think the placement of the climate display is excellent, using screen real estate otherwise unused in between what you see through and on the right side of the steering wheel. Instead of being hidden in some menu, it is always visible; move your head slightly.
And I bet there is a large climate menu that can be shown on the right side of the steering wheel.
Doug is the type of guy to say the gear selector is something you don’t use often
He's not wrong?
Except every single time you drive multiple times.
@@oambrosia oaembrosia is the type of guy who doesn't know what a gear selector is.
I've actually found the smart park features to be surprisingly useful on my Hyundai.
I commented the same. We use it on our Santa Fe semi regularly.
Tank Tesla for that. Hopefully more automakers adopt that feature.
Also when you get to very crowded cities like Tokyo or Seoul that becomes very handy in parking especially car this size. US is build for bigger cars so it's not really obvious
Looks really nice, but only the $76000+ one gets this 4.5 second 0-60 performance. Rivian R1S is only $78K with the dual motor and does it in 4 seconds, so very close in many respects. Comes with some things better at that price, like larger screens and a bigger front trunk that is fully powered, with adaptive air suspension. I'd be more interested to see how the 55-65K versions of the EV9 look and drive, that is where this vehicle is really in a category of it's own.
The single motor EV9s put out ~200hp. That's going to be uncomfortably, possibly even dangerously slow for an almost three-ton SUV. The Telluride is a thousand pounds lighter with close to 300hp.
The biggest competitor is the x and a loaded ev9 is priced 1k more than a lr model x . That does 0-60 in 3.6 and quarter mile in the mid 11s . 330+ miles of range etc . That’s really the hard sell of this in my eyes . It needs to either be cheaper or offer more at 70+ to be super competitive . R1s as well is a huge deal for its money compared to this
The people who will buy this don't care about 0-60 times. At all. At most, they care if it "feels fast" which this will given EV torque
@@IReahpZz I've spent a lot of time driving a Model X, it's really just a bloated sedan, and the one at that price is only a 5 seater. I wouldn't really consider it an EV9 or Rivian R1S competitor, it's so different.
@@Aegisx5 every suv is a bloated sedan outside dedicated trucks lmao . Odd statement . Ev9 is really outclassed here at its price . Appreciate your input tho
Also the + / - are like the positive and negatives of the electrons that create electricity. ⚡️
Hyundai/kia/genisis are really pushing to become an not just a great manufacturer but innovative as well. The greatest rebrand of all time.
I sat in one at the NY EXPO. Really ambitious product. Checks all the boxes!
No manual transmission and no turbo means it's a no go for me.
@Brian_Eugene_Lee real car enthusiasts that like driving
Recently, I can't deny Kia has been making some absolutely fantastic cars like the Telluride and EV6. Judging the EV9 based off of only looks, it looks like a far cry from the EV6 in styling. Too much black and looks too much like a Kia Soul from the back. The EV6 is sporty and stylish, and although the two vehicles serve different demographics, I would've at least liked to see it as a comparable option to the Telluride in styling cues.
Thank you Doug! I’ve been waiting for this. I have a ‘22 Telluride and LOVE it. So much comfort and tech for the price point. I really want the EV9 to succeed however I wish it would get more that a measly 300miles per charge.
Agreed
Why? That's 3-4 hours of highway driving. That's plenty.
@@lifeinhd4053we do family road trips with lots of relatives in the country. Plenty of gas stations but few chargers in those areas.
300 real world miles in cold wet weather is plenty. But I highly doubt this can achieve that. 300 real world miles is very much enough.
300? For $55k you get a rated 230miles . Have to pay $60k to get a rated 280miles . Starting tesla model y 7-seat , $46,500 with a rated 260miles . Tesla model y long range 330miles rated , even that at 7 seat is lower then Kia . $51,500 . That’s a huge difference . 3rd row both look the same . Rather cramped . So odd pricing
I do use the key remote drive. If i want to move the car closer to the curb using front-on parking, it works great. If I need the car moved to do something in the garage - easy to move it in and out without even getting in. Tight parking spot and a jerk who parks too close? It helps.
I like the styling, just wish it had a few things, a panoramic roof like the rivian R1S, a large frunk, more leg room in third row, and NaCs (teslas connector, yes it’s coming in 2025, but I want it now).
With Lucids suv revealed, i wish the ev9 had a 350-400 mile highway range
You should review a DS7 E-Tense 4x4
Just had our baby girl Saturday and I’ve been thinking about checking this out as an option for a more family-friendly car! You read my mind Doug, thanks!
you do not need 3 rows for one kid
@@ShaiyanHossainthis! Parents get one kid and think they need the biggest vehicle possible. 😂
maybe modern parents are weak but i was raised with 2 other siblings in the back of a 2004 honda civic and we all turned out fine. My parents only got something bigger (toyota sienna) once we they had their 4th child. even then, they refused to buy an SUV, and 4 vans later, they still wont. @@2Kriss2Kross
@@ShaiyanHossainmy wife and I have one baby, she drives a Corolla and I drive a Tacoma. Both do everything we need lol
Nice to see that you know everyone's usecase...could you also tell me what my life and requirements are? Don't assume you a...
I actually did with the stroller, additional bevy of supplies...its just most of us make do with multiple runs...why not get it all done at once. I really didnt need the space when the kid reaches elementary and then heh i definitely did in middle school and then high school.
Also if you go buying and selling antique furniture, used ergonomic office chairs and other larger items as part of your hobby you definitely do need the additional space without needing to buy a separate vehicle. Multiuse.
60k is affordable now??
It's still a lot, but for a "fast" 3 row luxury SUV... It's a great deal. Unless the badge triggers you. 👍
He always seems to forget that people drive cars in snow and not just around SoCal. The AWD lock button does come in handy in the northern winters.
I’ve been keeping an eye on this for over a year! I finally got to see a demo in a KIA showroom recently and this thing has presence. The only open question I have right now (and one the dealership couldn’t answer) is if it will be eligible for the Federal Tax Credit for EV’s. If so, it’ll be a no brainer for me!
It might eventually. They are supposed to start building it at their US factory sometime in 2024. But will also depend on where they source their batteries and battery materials.
I would like to see this up against the three row Cadillac variant (symboliq) I think these two(until ford comes to market) would be the dominant EVs in the SUV space over model X
nobody can compete with tesla simply because of charging
@@Trump_Won_AGAINthey will soon
The way Doug ALWAYS comments on AC controls I assume he just adjusts the fan and temp of his cars non-stop 😂. I don't think I've adjusted my car from AUTO and 68 degrees except for putting on the defogger
I never use A/C in my cars, even if it works.
Really... Only 68 degrees
The 4WD lock feature could be useful for the handful of owners that would know what it does. Any typical owner will have no idea what it does though. It's like when a city girl buys an off road jeep and has no idea how 4WD works nor any idea that they are driving in RWD
I have the EV6 and it is super fun to drive and a tank. I have snowy winters and its AWD is top notch.
22:35 - That compartment is so small, I can't imagine even a small person would have room to open up that little button cover to press the emergency escape button! But that does add the advantage that it won't get accidentally triggered by cargo. I know one person who had the button accidentally triggered by shifting cargo while they were on the freeway, and their vehicle disabled itself until the cargo compartment was tightly closed, requiring a quick stop on the shoulder. (Thankfully not a frunk where the hood opening in motion would fly open and break things!)
It’s not that much cheaper than a two motor Rivian. The R1Ss all have awd and at least 550 hp. The two motor Rivians also have significantly better range available.
The R1S has a fairly large Frunk too.
This is a neat vehicle and will be very successful but I’d buy a two motor R1S with the Large battery pack for ab $83k over this at $77k. The R1 with the standard pack has the same range and is basically the same price as the EV9.
I agree well said..
Its way underpowered unless you buy the all wheel drive..which if your going 77K range..Rivian is better choice
Something else to consider is servicing. Every population center has a Kia dealer. Rivian is like early Tesla where the car will need to be towed to some faraway service center.
@@bwofficial1776
The issue is Electric vehicle it has to be a specific service center..
Tesla it is all they do..100%.
I would bet 80% of Kia tech have never touched or serviced an electric vehicle.
Doug the type of guy who charges his phone at super charging stations
Oh wow, a vehicle for family road trips that can't do road trips. 😀
It’s great you just have to take a 50 minute break every 4 hours!
Barely 300 mile range and at least 20-30 minute recharge stops? Assuming you find working charge points too? That is not gonna cut it.
😂
@@David-dx5wz That's annoying if you want to eat up miles in a day. I regularly drive from Atlanta, GA to Philadelphia, PA in one day. While I'm gassing up the car halfway there, my passenger runs in to use the bathroom. When the car's done fueling, I run in and use the bathroom. We switch drivers and drive on for the other 400 miles. Total stopped time, under 10 minutes. I don't want to be forced to sit and wait for 30 minutes every 200 miles. That will add two hours to an already long drive.
@@David-dx5wzI assume sarcasm. An already long travel day extended by multiple hours of charge time is not my definition of great.
i have a 2021 Hyundai Tucson and it has the remote moving function and I use it all the time. very useful with tight carapaces that Australia has. Which is most of them. So yes people do use it!
I appreciate the empirical conversions on-screen. It helps keep Minds on the video instead of wandering off trying to calculate.
So what happens with those door handles in a snow/ice storm?
yeah, I had a 72 Pontiac Grand Prix with flush door handles...instead of electronic junk that would break, you just pressed it in on one side and it would pop out the other to open...slick, classy, and wont fail.
It’s a cool safety feature, basically it locks you out the car because you shouldn’t be driving in those conditions anyways!
@@David-dx5wz do they work for flash floods and everywhere theres no where to charge these people have more money then brains
@@David-dx5wzhahahaha you’ve never lived up north and it shows.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 I live in Buffalo NY, I was joking.
Rwd with 215 hp and 230 miles for $56k… come on guys.
Its way underpowered unless you buy the all wheel drive..which if your going 77K range..Rivian is better choice overall.
I think this truly is a amazing design, and it's electric.
Boy for some weird reason, that car looks like a modern looking 80ish car! Like it came out in 1984-85! I remember going to the auto shows in the 80s and seeing futuristic looking concept vehicles looking like that Kia! I’m I the only one here!?
“Affordable”
Starts at $56k 💸😂
I don’t know why every electric car has to have “futuristic styling,” just use a normal design and make it more aerodynamic, like the Genesis G80 Electric.
It’s the woke culture😭😭
I want an electric Model T. Call it the Model E.
Oh no, we can't have new designs, I want chrome and fins.
@@ellishoke1693 show me on the doll where the woke culture touched you...
@@RichardFraser-y9t you call that a design? Get your eyes checked bud
We are now in the day where an affordable family vehicle starts around $60k with an 8% interest rate. After 5 years you’ve spent $70k. Insane.
Don’t be dramatic… This is not an affordable family vehicle. You can buy a base model Carnival from the same brand for half that price.
I've been looking forward to the EV9 and I'm really glad to see that Kia nailed it with this.
Fun fact. My previous car was a 2015 civic si and that also had a blind spot camera. VERY USEFUL. BUT, it was only on the passenger side (under right mirror).
Im sorry but you're out of touch with the common folk. $64k starting price for an EV9 AWD is not "affordable". Yes, it's less expensive compared to some rivals, but we're living in a time where the AVERAGE car already costs an insane $50k with AVERAGE monthly payments over $700... This is $14k+ more than that meaning the monthly payment is close to $1000 per month (unless you have a substantial trade in). Hardly "affordable" ...
He does say multiple times in the first half of the video that it’s an expensive car
New car prices are terrifying lol. How do any normal people afford a 60-75k car?
Affordable? OK
We'll be sure to send you an alert when that $20k midsized suv comes out
The front looks fantastic, the rear looks decent, the profile looks good, making this the best looking CUV/SUV of the 3-row crowd, EVs & dino-juice burners included. The interior also looks good in the video, esp. for a non-luxury brand. The range and power figures (esp. in the 2WD versions) are not the best, but I guess those compromises needed to be made to hit price points...
I just want Kia to make a hybrid Telluride! I love my Telluride so much but the only thing I’ve found wrong with it is the MPG are on the lower side.