Hey man, I've been watching your videos for a while and they are always really well done. I really enjoy your content. :) Since I've been doing a lot of research on rogues the last couple of months, I have some things to point out: 1 - You need 9% hit to not miss with 300 weapon skill with yellow attacks. As a weapon rogue, which you will usually play in raids, you'll have 305 weapon skill and thus only need 6% hit. 2 - 308 weapon skill is the sweet spot. According to the calculations I've read, with 308 weapon skill you reduce the damage reduction of glancing blows by the maximum amount. So any point above 308 is not really doing much for your DPS. Getting 305 is the crucial value for hit (and glancing blows damage), though. 3 - Enchants are different for daggers spec. If you go with daggers, you should go with +dmg on your MH and Crusader on the OH (+15 Agi on OH later). The way the skills scale with weapon damage, the MH-damage is really important. 4 - As for stealth openers: It might be good to open with cheap shot because it nets you 2 CPs. Unless you don't get the CP because the boss is immune to stun, I wasn't able to test that, yet. Otherwise, keep up the great work! Edit: I clarified and corrected my first point.
@@kyu963 Yes, if the calculations are correct. I just looked for the source of my information and found this again: github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table The parts about glancing blows and weapon skills are the important ones. If I am reading the table correctly, then you'd also only need 6% hit at 308 weapon skill
@No you No, the extra 1% is there because of the way weapon skill works with bosses/high level targets. Below 305 1% hit will just get cut from your stats. Basically you only need 8% hit, but the first 1% hit doesn't count (below 305 weapon skill). There always being 1% chance to miss (or rather be resisted) only applies to spells. No matter how much hit you stack as a caster, 1% of your spells will always get resisted by bosses, this does not apply for melee though.
@No you well, no. Below 305 weapon skill you just need 9% hit to not miss a boss. At 305 you'll need 8%. As long as you are below the hit cap you will miss the difference between the cap and your current hit chance.
I'm not sure weapon skill really increases raw hit chance to be honest. I have an addon that shows detailed stats and i see no increase. The addon could be wrong. I know that it reduces the chance for the boss to parry and dodge, not sure about raw hit chance though.
@@inxeo The worst is that people see something like this they thinks its right, but sadly its not.. Its not only this YT channel, but many others too :/
@@JT-lb7rr Wrong again, you use 1CB SnD opener, and spam sinister strike to get 4/5CB SnD depending on your luck Why?? #1 If you open with 2x SS spam, your threat meter will go high instantly. #2 you will miss out on 2 white hits because you didnt open with SS>SnD, White hits can crit- saying you just missed 1000dmg++ because you didnt pop SnD immediately. But who cares, play your character as you want. Just dont fill the forums with: Why my dps so low? Why i pull agrro so quickly, why
@@camek4312 Hey man. I know this comment is old af but I’m new to wow and you seem to have the info I’m desperately looking for. Can you point me in the right direction to learn more about the intricacies of rogue damage? It would be a massive help. I feel like there’s a lot of people who’ve think just cause they’ve played the game for 10+ years they know everything and give misleading info. Thanks for any advise.
People are saying 9% Hit but indeed with 305 weapon skill or higher it is only 8% as the -1% to hit is no longer active. This has opened up many different gearing possibilities being able to skip truestrike or mask of unforgiven. In favor of AGI/AP assuming you have devilsaur and Blackstone ring with right talents.
1 point out of ruthlessness and into lethality. its not hard to be behind virtually all bosses enough to trigger back stabs range, side rear on ony for instance works fine
So with Precision talent I get +5% hit, does that mean I only need 4% more hit% to reach 9%? Also with weapon expertise +5 weapon skill that equals 3% hit is that + the 5% hit from Precision = 8% and does that mean I only need +1% hit more? please answer me. Thanks.
These links may help you understand: github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table#weapon-skill www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/djdquy/melee_damage_and_you_a_comprehensive_overview_of/
To use the weapon skill table you do this: Take the mobs defense, which we'll assume is 3 levels higher than you...so 315 and subtract your weapon skill. So if your weapon skill was 308 it would be 315-308=7. If you look at 7 on that table it says - Glancing Penalty 5% - Miss Chance 5.7% - Hit cap 5.7%. So if you were at 308 weapon skill and got 5% from precision you'd only need 1% more hit rating which you could easily get from gear, like a single blackstone ring. But this is only the cap for yellow hits, most of your damage in raids are going to be your autos so you should go above that since dw'ing takes a hefty penalty. You'll probably be looking really at about 14% hit rating, which will be able 13% when you are fighting level 63 mobs. Just to take into account your white damage.
Heres my question, what if your running a sword and dagger? I'm high 40's at the moment, been sword spec since launch, had an epic dagger drop in ZF and couldn't pass it up, I'm now running sword main hand, and dagger off hand, is this counter productive?
This is all end game stuff he's talking about so you are good I am currently 50 on classic and I went back and forth depending on what dropped for me like he mentioned if you get good daggers at 60 Respec but while leveling I actually did not take any talent in ether sword or dagger and just went with ease of play talents
Is it possible for a npc to dodge a backstab(which, by definition, is from behind)? And also, how is it possible that i missed a boss i stratholme with a backstab, level 59 elite, when i have +9 hit and 305 weaponskill?
@@thatsawesomelol Actually, NPCs can dodge attacks from behind. They cannot parry from behind. Only players lack the ability to dodge attacks from behind.
Hey mate thnx for the guide I didnt understand why on daggers seal Fate we not puting 1 point on vigor instade duel weapon 1 point And the second question Why on horde we dont use posion on the both hands?
Tamirdor bendor Its only the case when you have a Shaman in the group, their windfury totem effects the main hand weapon for each member. If you have poison it does not stack.
Vigor gives you 10 extra energy for the entire fight. So you're basically getting half an energy tick extra for the fight which is 1 second worth of extra energy regeneration.. It's probably decent for pvp but in terms of raiding it seems like a waste of talent points.
Unless you're using the Shadow Craft set than its not too much of a waste since you gain a tiny bit of more time debating if you're going to refresh SnD or hit the Evis.
Hey guys, is rupture and garrote pretty useless? I play rogue in retail but just wondering are those spells no use in classic, thanks to those who reply to me :)
what about hitting sinister strike right after your auto attack so when sword specialisation triggers it wont resset your auto attack mid way or does it not proc on skills? also does it proc on offhand aswell?
does anyone know how effective chance to hit is beyond the 9% hitcap? like if i'm at 12% chance to hit, is it worth giving up 3% chance to hit (going to 9%) to gain 47 ap and 1.33% chance to crit?
Hi, Im a Human rouge 60 and when im using elixir of mongoose i can’t stack it with elixir of greater agility, even though my raid friend who also i a human rouge can stack them, what the problem here? Please anyone explain the problem!
Something's been confusing me a bit for a time : the hit cap is said to be 8% (exactly the amount given by the Rogue Classic BiS), but combat spec gives +5% hit chance with melee weapons... Does it mean this only applies to auto attacks and not abilities e.g. yellow damage like sinister strike or evisc ?
@@tanguychusseau8831 some people are saying that the cap is 6% with 305 weapon skill so you only need 1% from gear I would check the classic wow rogue discord
@@wowantonlavey There are scenarios in which the higher damage range of a fast weapon in the main hand outweighs the disadvantage of less frequent application of instant poison of a slower weapon in the off-hand. These scenarios are not common, yes, but it’s still wrong to take speed as the deciding factor of what to use in the main hand instead of damage range.
Ppm poisons fast oh actually has a lower chance to proc than slower weapons Later on chance to apply poisons it would be true though but thats bf 3 pc , noone runs improved poisons yet And 15% may still not outweigh the slower weapon, i dont have those numbers but if the slower gets the bonus itll be better always when considering instant
It is great for levelling, but in raids and dungeons you should never get in a situation where you can use it anyways. So it becomes obsolete. It might be decent for PvP though, but I am not sure
@@BishopNE1 this is a prebis dungeon farming spec. If you use riposte while farming prebis you're doing something wrong. Also in pvp if you're using riposte for damage you're just bad at the game.
Sora Sky u can never get too mich cap. I tried getting 9% and 14% hit. The more hit u have the less u miss. I also have full cadav set so I have a lot of AP. Crusader procs more w/ 14%hit I noticed.
idk why every guide i see say your hit cap is 8 or 9% but when they show the gear they have alot of the pre bis gear giving a supstantial amount of hit cap over what you yourself wouldent it be better to just get some agility ring instead of some extra hit rating ring when you already got your hit cap from talents and the devilsaur set basically
I saw that video but im pretty sure there is a mathmatical reason behind stopping at 8%. What i Was thinking though was hitting 8% just from gear and sword specilization and then using the remaining talent points on other talents instead of pushing it to 13%
@@Darklht As confirmed by Blizzard: "There is some code in 1.12 that explicitly adds a modifier that causes the first 1% of +hit gained from talents or gear to be ignored against monsters with more than 10 Defense Skill above the attacking player’s Weapon Skill. This means that the so-called “hit cap” is in effect 9% rather than 8% for a player with 300 Weapon Skill fighting a level 63 monster with a Defense Skill of 315. With a Weapon Skill of 305, such as from Sword Specialization (Humans) or Axe Specialization (Orcs), this hit modifier is no longer in place against +3 level monsters, provided that you are using the appropriate weapon type to gain the passive bonus. Needless to say, this makes +Weapon Skill very good against raid-level monsters.". us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-hit-tables/185675/32 This seems accurate with the attack table here: github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table#weapon-skill If you go down to weapon skill and look at the chart it seems accurate. To use the chart we're going to assume we're fighting a mob 3 levels higher, like most bosses in raids. Their defense would be 315. As they said if a person is attacking that mob with a 300 weapon skill rating, it would be a hit cap of 9%. For the chart you take that defense (315) and subtract your weapon skill. So 315-300=15. If you look at 15 on that chart it says "hit cap 9%". Also, maybe you mean something else but sword specialization...be it rogue or warrior only gives you a chance of gaining an extra attack. It doesn't effect hit rating or weapon skill levels. If you are at 300 weapon skill, then you need 9% hit rating. 308 is a pretty good place to aim for really. At 308 it's 315-308=7...which means your hit rating needed is 5.7%. If you're a rogue you can get 5% of that from precision, that leaves 1% to be left over to gain from gear. The thing I'm struggling to figure out is if that's a cap for your yellow (ability or skill hits) or if additional hit% would just benefit your white (auto-attacks) attacks.
@@Darklht If you are DW'ing most of your raid damage is going to be from auto-attacks. So I'm thinking stopping at the yellow hit cap is unwise...because there is a hefty penalty to white auto attacks for DW'ers. A cap you're unlikely to reach.
I've also heard that putting a faster weapon in your OH doesn't make a difference because all weapons are balance by a procs per minute system will result in the same net damage. Thoughts?
Instant poison is a straight % chance...so the faster the weapon the better. I run a fast dagger in the offhand with instant poison, and a sword in the mainhand also with instant.
in classic, what ramson cole is saying is true. It does matter if u have a faster weapon in your offhand cause it will proc more often. In later updates it got patched so that it was based on a ppm(proc per minute) instead, and after that patch, it didnt make a diffence anymore weather u had a slow or fast offhand. But it classic, as i said, it does matter.
@@Martin.mattsson But only up until 1.07 or so. I can't remember the precise patch. But yeah, after that, it wasn't quite so crucial that you had the fastest weapon possible on your offhand.
I can't get it how people may analyze dozens of unnecessary Excel-sheets so that only to spam three buttons more effectively. Vanilla WoW is a freaking huge fake.
That Oblivion music at the beginning was like a kick in the balls of nostalgia.
Hey man, I've been watching your videos for a while and they are always really well done. I really enjoy your content. :)
Since I've been doing a lot of research on rogues the last couple of months, I have some things to point out:
1 - You need 9% hit to not miss with 300 weapon skill with yellow attacks. As a weapon rogue, which you will usually play in raids, you'll have 305 weapon skill and thus only need 6% hit.
2 - 308 weapon skill is the sweet spot. According to the calculations I've read, with 308 weapon skill you reduce the damage reduction of glancing blows by the maximum amount. So any point above 308 is not really doing much for your DPS. Getting 305 is the crucial value for hit (and glancing blows damage), though.
3 - Enchants are different for daggers spec. If you go with daggers, you should go with +dmg on your MH and Crusader on the OH (+15 Agi on OH later). The way the skills scale with weapon damage, the MH-damage is really important.
4 - As for stealth openers: It might be good to open with cheap shot because it nets you 2 CPs. Unless you don't get the CP because the boss is immune to stun, I wasn't able to test that, yet.
Otherwise, keep up the great work!
Edit: I clarified and corrected my first point.
So if you're human, do you only need one point in Weapon Expertise since you have +5 from racial?
@@kyu963 Yes, if the calculations are correct. I just looked for the source of my information and found this again: github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table
The parts about glancing blows and weapon skills are the important ones. If I am reading the table correctly, then you'd also only need 6% hit at 308 weapon skill
@No you No, the extra 1% is there because of the way weapon skill works with bosses/high level targets. Below 305 1% hit will just get cut from your stats. Basically you only need 8% hit, but the first 1% hit doesn't count (below 305 weapon skill).
There always being 1% chance to miss (or rather be resisted) only applies to spells. No matter how much hit you stack as a caster, 1% of your spells will always get resisted by bosses, this does not apply for melee though.
@No you well, no. Below 305 weapon skill you just need 9% hit to not miss a boss. At 305 you'll need 8%. As long as you are below the hit cap you will miss the difference between the cap and your current hit chance.
I'm not sure weapon skill really increases raw hit chance to be honest. I have an addon that shows detailed stats and i see no increase. The addon could be wrong. I know that it reduces the chance for the boss to parry and dodge, not sure about raw hit chance though.
Just 18min for a load of important informarions, this is a great one
get trinket menu for the vanish-> trinket swap
you can que new trinkets in which get automatically swapped in with this addon
You dont open with 5x SS>SnD.. You open with SS>SnD then SSx5 > SnD > SSx5 Evis etc etc..
Yes, because those slow ass combat rouges need some attack speed.
@@inxeo The worst is that people see something like this they thinks its right, but sadly its not.. Its not only this YT channel, but many others too :/
@@camek4312 how stupid are you guys? it literally says in brackets 2 combo point SND in opener
@@JT-lb7rr Wrong again, you use 1CB SnD opener, and spam sinister strike to get 4/5CB SnD depending on your luck
Why?? #1 If you open with 2x SS spam, your threat meter will go high instantly. #2 you will miss out on 2 white hits because you didnt open with SS>SnD, White hits can crit- saying you just missed 1000dmg++ because you didnt pop SnD immediately.
But who cares, play your character as you want. Just dont fill the forums with: Why my dps so low? Why i pull agrro so quickly, why
@@camek4312 Hey man. I know this comment is old af but I’m new to wow and you seem to have the info I’m desperately looking for. Can you point me in the right direction to learn more about the intricacies of rogue damage? It would be a massive help. I feel like there’s a lot of people who’ve think just cause they’ve played the game for 10+ years they know everything and give misleading info. Thanks for any advise.
What is better DPS for PVE? Dal Rend pair of Lobotmiser + Distracted Dagger?
one cant see SnD buff timer cause of "classic wow" symbol.
Didnt see anyone mentioning this, i tought i should.
I was about to mention but saw your post.
do you alternate slice and dice and eviscerate after the initial eviscerate? thanks
Is the sleight of hand talent worth putting one or two points in? How impactful is the 1 and 2 percent reduced chanced in getting critically hit?
It's not worth it ever.
Not even with a pvp spec.
People are saying 9% Hit but indeed with 305 weapon skill or higher it is only 8% as the -1% to hit is no longer active. This has opened up many different gearing possibilities being able to skip truestrike or mask of unforgiven. In favor of AGI/AP assuming you have devilsaur and Blackstone ring with right talents.
exactly why would you choose to get all these other items over agi items when your already at the cap from that alone makes no sence
1 point out of ruthlessness and into lethality. its not hard to be behind virtually all bosses enough to trigger back stabs range, side rear on ony for instance works fine
So with Precision talent I get +5% hit, does that mean I only need 4% more hit% to reach 9%?
Also with weapon expertise +5 weapon skill that equals 3% hit is that + the 5% hit from Precision = 8% and does that mean I only need +1% hit more? please answer me. Thanks.
These links may help you understand: github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table#weapon-skill www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/djdquy/melee_damage_and_you_a_comprehensive_overview_of/
To use the weapon skill table you do this: Take the mobs defense, which we'll assume is 3 levels higher than you...so 315 and subtract your weapon skill. So if your weapon skill was 308 it would be 315-308=7. If you look at 7 on that table it says - Glancing Penalty 5% - Miss Chance 5.7% - Hit cap 5.7%. So if you were at 308 weapon skill and got 5% from precision you'd only need 1% more hit rating which you could easily get from gear, like a single blackstone ring. But this is only the cap for yellow hits, most of your damage in raids are going to be your autos so you should go above that since dw'ing takes a hefty penalty. You'll probably be looking really at about 14% hit rating, which will be able 13% when you are fighting level 63 mobs. Just to take into account your white damage.
Heres my question, what if your running a sword and dagger? I'm high 40's at the moment, been sword spec since launch, had an epic dagger drop in ZF and couldn't pass it up, I'm now running sword main hand, and dagger off hand, is this counter productive?
This is all end game stuff he's talking about so you are good I am currently 50 on classic and I went back and forth depending on what dropped for me like he mentioned if you get good daggers at 60 Respec but while leveling I actually did not take any talent in ether sword or dagger and just went with ease of play talents
Is it possible for a npc to dodge a backstab(which, by definition, is from behind)?
And also, how is it possible that i missed a boss i stratholme with a backstab, level 59 elite, when i have +9 hit and 305 weaponskill?
no it cant dodge only miss, also not sure about the second part cuz same shit happening to me aswell
@@thatsawesomelol Actually, NPCs can dodge attacks from behind. They cannot parry from behind.
Only players lack the ability to dodge attacks from behind.
Hey mate thnx for the guide
I didnt understand why on daggers seal Fate we not puting 1 point on vigor instade duel weapon 1 point
And the second question
Why on horde we dont use posion on the both hands?
Tamirdor bendor Its only the case when you have a Shaman in the group, their windfury totem effects the main hand weapon for each member. If you have poison it does not stack.
Vigor gives you 10 extra energy for the entire fight. So you're basically getting half an energy tick extra for the fight which is 1 second worth of extra energy regeneration.. It's probably decent for pvp but in terms of raiding it seems like a waste of talent points.
Unless you're using the Shadow Craft set than its not too much of a waste since you gain a tiny bit of more time debating if you're going to refresh SnD or hit the Evis.
Thank u alote, great content!
So shadowcraft gear? I hear that's better than individual pieces.
The six piece is
@@Forestwidow lol ik, but no one ever talks about it. Shouldn't that be "optional" on wowhead if you can get 6 piece SC? Lol
Hey guys, is rupture and garrote pretty useless? I play rogue in retail but just wondering are those spells no use in classic, thanks to those who reply to me :)
What is addon show damage on skills?
what about hitting sinister strike right after your auto attack so when sword specialisation triggers it wont resset your auto attack mid way or does it not proc on skills? also does it proc on offhand aswell?
I've started doing this to much success. It's the reason why you can now see a huge weapon swing timer in my footage haha
@@MetaGoblin yeah but does it work tho? i wasn't sure
@@mclilzee yes it does work and it make a pretty big difference in dps over the long haul
also if he has 4 seconds left on slice and dice.don't refresh it. wait for your energy to come back and use it at 1 second.
does anyone know how effective chance to hit is beyond the 9% hitcap? like if i'm at 12% chance to hit, is it worth giving up 3% chance to hit (going to 9%) to gain 47 ap and 1.33% chance to crit?
after 9% hit, you gain more dps from the other stats. so you just go down the prio list from there
Crit cap on white dmg is 26% plus your hit%. So once your crit is high enough you need more hit to counter for it
How good is thrash blade, what's the first real replacement
Brutality Blade or Vis'kag It's basically insanely good.Put Crusader on it
@@MrFirFI and about 3 other pre raid options..
First real replacement is Krol or Zeal
what do u think about kargoz combat sword spec talents?
MetaGoblin or others, what scrolling text addon is being used here? I can't find a good one for Rogue Classic and this looks perfect.
Thats in the normal interface you have to turn on a setting called floating combat text i think it is and activate combo points
Hi, Im a Human rouge 60 and when im using elixir of mongoose i can’t stack it with elixir of greater agility, even though my raid friend who also i a human rouge can stack them, what the problem here? Please anyone explain the problem!
no u cant stack em..
U can stack them if u pop mongoose first but u dont gain any stats from greater agility
Hit chance cap is 6% and not 9% so is better to replace some equip by shadowcraft set 6 pieces.
What mh sword would we go for if we don’t get dal rends?
Assassination blade mh, mirahs song oh
why not evi 3/3 in sword pve spec?
Could you make a skill build for pvp?
How do i make backstab more often against npcs when i fight alone?
Heres 2 ways I do it.
CS>BS, TT, BS>BS>finisher
CS>BS, pool eng, Gouge, PE, BS>KS, PE>BS
And of course you can always pop AR
I'm 305 Weap, no idea how to get that 5 more : (. Didn't chose the right race I guess (I'm undead)
2 points in wep expertise skill?
@@minty895 ya :(
And why not open from sealth with backstab instad of ambush for the fate proc?
Tamirdor bendor agro...banned from loot or bye to raid.
Something's been confusing me a bit for a time : the hit cap is said to be 8% (exactly the amount given by the Rogue Classic BiS), but combat spec gives +5% hit chance with melee weapons... Does it mean this only applies to auto attacks and not abilities e.g. yellow damage like sinister strike or evisc ?
9% for yellow damage and white damage is 27+ percent. Obviously true hit cap is totally unachievable
@@MetaGoblin So basically, if I get 4% with gear i'm good for yellow damage right ?
@@tanguychusseau8831 some people are saying that the cap is 6% with 305 weapon skill so you only need 1% from gear
I would check the classic wow rogue discord
@@MetaGoblin All right then thanks!
@@tanguychusseau8831 Can confirm that you only need 1% from gear so going to be updating the pre-raid bis list
6:01 Weapon speed doesn’t matter. Damage range does because it is the value from which all your yellow damage is calculated.
wpn speed is normalized but still in the formula and still means the slow weapon goes in the mh
@@wowantonlavey There are scenarios in which the higher damage range of a fast weapon in the main hand outweighs the disadvantage of less frequent application of instant poison of a slower weapon in the off-hand. These scenarios are not common, yes, but it’s still wrong to take speed as the deciding factor of what to use in the main hand instead of damage range.
hey metagoblin... where i can find that traiming place for horde
Are there dummies in classic? I haven't seen any
@@MF_Zurg No, there are no working training dummies in Classic on the official servers
Ppm poisons fast oh actually has a lower chance to proc than slower weapons
Later on chance to apply poisons it would be true though but thats bf 3 pc , noone runs improved poisons yet
And 15% may still not outweigh the slower weapon, i dont have those numbers but if the slower gets the bonus itll be better always when considering instant
What's the attack timer addon?
What about flask of supreme power + greater arcane elixir + shadow oil?
What addon shows your damage on SS and Evis?
Dr Damage
Why no riposte? I feel this is good for levelling? Would you not recommend for end game?
It is great for levelling, but in raids and dungeons you should never get in a situation where you can use it anyways. So it becomes obsolete. It might be decent for PvP though, but I am not sure
@@claudiuscanalis6242 its not good in pvp becaues any melee with half a brain will have weapon chain
@@tekenertehee Any player with half a brain knows you take riposte for the insane damage it does for 10 energy, even if they have a weapon chain....
@@BishopNE1 this is a prebis dungeon farming spec. If you use riposte while farming prebis you're doing something wrong. Also in pvp if you're using riposte for damage you're just bad at the game.
What is "american time"?
Arent hit cap is 9% + 5% from talent = 14% ? Or 4% + 5% from talent = 9%
9% total. However you get it.
Sora Sky u can never get too mich cap. I tried getting 9% and 14% hit. The more hit u have the less u miss. I also have full cadav set so I have a lot of AP. Crusader procs more w/ 14%hit I noticed.
@@jauxed By going for anymore hit than 9%, you're sacrificing other stats that'll boost your DPS more than the extra hit % will.
idk why every guide i see say your hit cap is 8 or 9% but when they show the gear they have alot of the pre bis gear giving a supstantial amount of hit cap over what you yourself wouldent it be better to just get some agility ring instead of some extra hit rating ring when you already got your hit cap from talents and the devilsaur set basically
Watch Tips Out deep dive on rogue. LMGD is a rank 1 rogue and he says there isn't an amount of hit you should stop at. So don't worry about hit cap.
@@jacebulen5964 accually, in that exact video, im pretty sure lmgd says u shouldnt go beyond 13% +hit
I saw that video but im pretty sure there is a mathmatical reason behind stopping at 8%. What i Was thinking though was hitting 8% just from gear and sword specilization and then using the remaining talent points on other talents instead of pushing it to 13%
@@Darklht As confirmed by Blizzard: "There is some code in 1.12 that explicitly adds a modifier that causes the first 1% of +hit gained from talents or gear to be ignored against monsters with more than 10 Defense Skill above the attacking player’s Weapon Skill. This means that the so-called “hit cap” is in effect 9% rather than 8% for a player with 300 Weapon Skill fighting a level 63 monster with a Defense Skill of 315. With a Weapon Skill of 305, such as from Sword Specialization (Humans) or Axe Specialization (Orcs), this hit modifier is no longer in place against +3 level monsters, provided that you are using the appropriate weapon type to gain the passive bonus. Needless to say, this makes +Weapon Skill very good against raid-level monsters.". us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/bug-hit-tables/185675/32
This seems accurate with the attack table here: github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table#weapon-skill
If you go down to weapon skill and look at the chart it seems accurate. To use the chart we're going to assume we're fighting a mob 3 levels higher, like most bosses in raids. Their defense would be 315. As they said if a person is attacking that mob with a 300 weapon skill rating, it would be a hit cap of 9%. For the chart you take that defense (315) and subtract your weapon skill. So 315-300=15. If you look at 15 on that chart it says "hit cap 9%".
Also, maybe you mean something else but sword specialization...be it rogue or warrior only gives you a chance of gaining an extra attack. It doesn't effect hit rating or weapon skill levels. If you are at 300 weapon skill, then you need 9% hit rating. 308 is a pretty good place to aim for really. At 308 it's 315-308=7...which means your hit rating needed is 5.7%. If you're a rogue you can get 5% of that from precision, that leaves 1% to be left over to gain from gear. The thing I'm struggling to figure out is if that's a cap for your yellow (ability or skill hits) or if additional hit% would just benefit your white (auto-attacks) attacks.
@@Darklht If you are DW'ing most of your raid damage is going to be from auto-attacks. So I'm thinking stopping at the yellow hit cap is unwise...because there is a hefty penalty to white auto attacks for DW'ers. A cap you're unlikely to reach.
I've also heard that putting a faster weapon in your OH doesn't make a difference because all weapons are balance by a procs per minute system will result in the same net damage. Thoughts?
I think this is true. Feels cooler though haha. Point being put the slower weapon in MH and faster weapon in OH.
Instant poison is a straight % chance...so the faster the weapon the better. I run a fast dagger in the offhand with instant poison, and a sword in the mainhand also with instant.
in classic, what ramson cole is saying is true. It does matter if u have a faster weapon in your offhand cause it will proc more often. In later updates it got patched so that it was based on a ppm(proc per minute) instead, and after that patch, it didnt make a diffence anymore weather u had a slow or fast offhand. But it classic, as i said, it does matter.
Looks like I'm little late to the party, but yes. However it's still worth putting your slower weapon in your MH because of sinister strike.
@@Martin.mattsson But only up until 1.07 or so. I can't remember the precise patch. But yeah, after that, it wasn't quite so crucial that you had the fastest weapon possible on your offhand.
Good video, but -1 point for choosing NElf. There is zero benefit there.
+1 point for playing what race he think is coolest
"sinister strike cost 35 energy" omega fucking lul
Fan-dabbie-dozy you said it wrong.
You sound much like Lewis Capaldi, great video btw!
n1 video :)
I’ll never understand why Blizz didn’t give mace or Axe specialization to dwarves 🤦🏻♂️
Or a mining skill bonus since they're supposed to live in the mountains in most fantasy books
Cant dual wield Mirah's song as its a quest item. You can only have 1 of them.
ye this dude lost credibility after saying that i was like wtf
wrong... so wrong
Pop cool downs in opener? NO! Horrible suggestion!
why murder, its seems terrible, wouldnt improved evisverate be way better
I can't get it how people may analyze dozens of unnecessary Excel-sheets so that only to spam three buttons more effectively. Vanilla WoW is a freaking huge fake.
Don't see the point in imp gouge, just take extra 3% dodge
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Why can't you pronounce "th"??
Why do content creators make videos on topics and classes they don't understand?
So what is wrong?
@@Einomar 3 months later, no reply. XD
boofed :D