Man this is really good info. I've watched this video a few times - some before I started milling with my Lucas mill and now again after I've used it for a while. Now I completely understand what you're doing and why. This will help me a lot. I saw you do things I didn't know you could do with a Lucas mill, like edging the boards on top of the flat face - that's faster and would have saved me from wasting a lot of good wood. Also I love the idea of having a band mill AND a Lucas mill - they both have their limitations. Having both, you can saw almost anything. Thanks!
Thank you for getting full value out of that log , to many guys waste to much. We had a sawyer from Japan and he had two rules , one , if there is 400 dollars of wood in that log, you better get 400 dollars out of it , and two . That tree took 200 years to grow , surely to God we can take 5 minutes to cut it up correctly.
glad we could make your day!!! IT frustrates us to no end!!! lol!!! holiday is over time to work thru about 70 cottonwood logs into 4x6's for the local pallet mill...older video of that too in our collection here! enjoy!
That’s a very interesting mill that you are using with two sets of blades cutting at 90˚ to each other. You would end up with a lot more useful lumber compared to a bandsaw blade that cuts completely across the diameter of the log. Thanks for sharing.
You might be mistaken. The swing blade is a single blade Australian made Lucas Mill. Comes in 6", 8" & 10" configurations, with different power heads from 18hp to 30 hp.
That was some brilliant mill-work. That's how we optimize profits. I paid $100 for an 8/4 x14 x21 quartersawn cedar blank, for a one piece electric solid body guitar. The tone was out of this world.
I also have the Lucas and woodmizer super Hydraulic, it is amazing to me how the two machines compliment each other and I actually use both all the time, normally start with the Lucas slabber breaking down Huge logs and taking what's left to the band I'll to maximize the yield, both are a must have. Thank you for putting out this video this method never crossed my mind,,,, one thing though,,, when you took the last two cants from the center of the log to the bandmill you correctly put the chainsaw edge with the pith down on the bed,,,,, but you raised it up to allow for taper in the log, at that point you weren't cutting parallel with the pith,,,,,you noticed the error when you looked at your boards,,,, been there!! Just a different set of eyes, great video
Just like opening the log on the Lucas mill, I am seeking the bark edge. That is why we raised one end of the center cant on the band saw. Being parallel with the pith doesn't matter for these cuts, which are effectively edging cuts. Where being parallel to the pith becomes important is when I'm actually sawing out the boards, and I will sometimes take some taper off both sides of the cant in the process of trueing it up. Hope this makes sense, if not, ask and I will retry to clarify. Thanks for watching. Scott Webb
After watching again, you redeemed yourself when you flipped the cant and sawed the pith, wasn't meaning to be critical, excellent video, I now have a new perspective, you have broadened my horizons! (-:
Ty for sharing I love your setup and I am sure as the 6 people who disliked this are. I am envious of your setup. Good luck and thanks again for sharing your technique
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. This will be very helpful to me when 1/4 sawing. I bought a Timberking 1220 several years ago and I am always looking for different ways of sawing.
Check our REAL youtube channel at "Webb's Sawmill"...should have started with THAT for all our sawmill videos instead of loading them onto the 'family' channel!!
Check our REAL youtube channel at "Webb's Sawmill"...should have started with THAT for all our sawmill videos instead of loading them onto the 'family' channel!!
If your customer was satisfied with the cut plan and the outcome, then screw the naysayers and their hemorrhoids; you did a magnificent job with the resources at your disposal. ☺
I am really liking those wide quarter-sawn boards. People will be accusing you of cutting old-growth lumber. 😁 Your technique is a great idea and could be done on the bandsaw only too. Man, that chainsaw. Awesome sharp!
Actually he could have done it all with Lucas Mill. However the recovery would be a bit less due to the difference in kernel. Lucas Mill has about a 1/4" blade while the band saw might be half that. So 6 cuts of the band saw with the flitch he took off means an extra 3/4" board than doing the same on the Lucas Mill.
That is certainly an interesting technique for quarter sawing lumber. Given that you have both a swing blade mill, bandsaw mill, large chain saw and the support equipment for moving the logs around, it does yield you some really wide quarter sawn lumber. It's not every day you get a 10" wide quarter sawn board. Perhaps a further refinement of your technique on these large logs would be to use the Lucas mill to get all the quarter and rift sawn lumber from the upper and lower 1/3 of the logs and then use the chainsaw and bandsaw mill to get the really wide quarter sawn lumber.
Scott, when you take the 8x8.25 cant from the top of the log over the MP32, don't saw it immediately, but wait until you also have the cant after you flip the log over. Then, set them side by side and saw them together. Might speed you up a tad. ;)
just out of curiosity, back in the late 50's early 60's, in the small mill business, my dad and other small, (scrag) mill owner/operators refered to 6x6, 6x7, 7x7, 7x8, 8x8, 7x9, 9x8 's as ties. most were sold as railroad ties in this country. Douglas fir, western larch. sometimes lodgepole pine, but not frequently. I tail sawed and decked cants. Cants were either 2 inches thick or 4 inches thick. width varied from 8 inches to 40 inch plus and were standard fare for an edger, which produced 2x6s or 2x4's. my question i guess (it does not matter) is the term cant or tie a geographical or generic technological description ? Just curious.
In my experience, "ties" are railroad terminology and will be used in their cut dimension, and "cants" are anything that will be resawn, as in the pallet industry.
my same thoughts on when is a farm a farm and not a ranch! somewhere there is a line drawn and to the west it's a ranch, then move east and it turns into a farm!!! ;-)
makes sense stated like that. smell of fresh sawdust still turns my crank. thanks. just got back to playing with the neighbor's norwood lm29 after a 55 year hiatus. dear old dad would love todays small simplistic bandsaws. havn't dug up a picaroon yet, but am thinking. got lots of wood needing attention.
Since you have the two saws I would like your opinion. I am looking at either a Lucas Mill 8-30 or 10-30 or a Bandsaw Mill like a WoodMizer or a Norwood, if you had to select just one machine, what would you select. This is not a full time business yet but something to grow into
We have had the model 8 Lucas mill since 1998. If I could only have one mill, it would be the Lucas. I really like our Cook's MP32, but for our business which is really built around over size logs, the swing mill has served us well. If you are going to saw mostly small logs, a band mill may serve you better, but the Lucas can do both.
I think we need a soft sponge over the camera ladies microphone guys.. .....I got most of what you're saying and hope things go well during cutting......left you at 2.45
good technique. I don't have that sort of time available, I just make those cuts all the way down using my lucas. I'm still a novice, so video was helpful. thanks.
The bandsaw is about 1/8", the Lucas is about 1/4. When we are resawing a cant to 4/4 thickness like we did in this video, we get one extra board from an 8 1/2" cant, which is as wide as the Lucas can cut. So that works out great. We only use this technique for high value material because it is more time consuming. For low value stuff we just hammer it out with the Lucas.
I don't understand why you resaw the boards with the Lucas to get their second square edge. Why not do that while on the log? Time saving? Board saving? Or perhaps it's obvious and I'm not thinking clearly this late at night.
When we flat saw, it is easy to edge everything while it is "attached" to the log. When we quartersaw we are targeting the middle boards. The outside riftsawn boards are more or less incidental and we edge them if they are wide enough. The most efficient way to do it that we have found is what you see in the video. Watch it again and see if it makes sense to you.
Technically, the boards on the edge of the first square cuts are not quarter sawn, and they won't look as nice as the center boards. But goof film, and nice sawmill. That last big slab in the center was all quarter sawn, and should be beautiful.
I suspect you are talking about the boards that are rift cut. We don't get 100% quartersawn material with this technique, but I don't think other techniques do any better.
Might be a stupid question, but heard you mention that a fairly high percentage of that log ends up being low value rift cut. I realize it would take a lot more manipulation, but wouldn't it be possible to get significantly more 1/4 cut out of those rift cut sections by changing the angle at which it is cut? For example, if the area that normally produces rift could be removed in 1 piece, rather than in boards, the point could be cut off, allowing a flat to sit on, then cut straight down to get a higher percentage of 1/4 sawn?
It could be done, but the boards would be very narrow. Rift cut is lower value than good figured quartersawn, but some people prefer it because it is easier to match up when gluing than flatsawn or quartersawn. The law of diminishing returns comes into play when you consider the extra handling.
None of those cuts looked like quarter sawn or rift sawn. They were all flat sawn, but had to be done in sections that way due to your small blade diameter. Nice sharp chainsaw. I never manage to get mine that sharp.
Why use chain saw when your circular saw can do it ? Also you wasted the four corners by rift-sawing; with the Lucas mill you can quarter saw the whole log.
I sincerely hope that you have a drying kiln or something similar to throw these in before you sell them. If you're selling undried timber to people, I sincerely hope that you tell them so.
Man this is really good info. I've watched this video a few times - some before I started milling with my Lucas mill and now again after I've used it for a while. Now I completely understand what you're doing and why. This will help me a lot. I saw you do things I didn't know you could do with a Lucas mill, like edging the boards on top of the flat face - that's faster and would have saved me from wasting a lot of good wood. Also I love the idea of having a band mill AND a Lucas mill - they both have their limitations. Having both, you can saw almost anything. Thanks!
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
Interesting. You make good sense. Nicely done. George.
Thank you for getting full value out of that log , to many guys waste to much. We had a sawyer from Japan and he had two rules , one , if there is 400 dollars of wood in that log, you better get 400 dollars out of it , and two . That tree took 200 years to grow , surely to God we can take 5 minutes to cut it up correctly.
I'm a city dwelling IT guy with no need for a saw mill but this shit fascinates me. It's awesome, thanks!
glad we could make your day!!! IT frustrates us to no end!!! lol!!! holiday is over time to work thru about 70 cottonwood logs into 4x6's for the local pallet mill...older video of that too in our collection here! enjoy!
That's because you long to be a real man doing real work instead of sitting at a desk (same as me). LOL
I agree with you both. City boy desk worker all my life but I really enjoy watching these videos. Thanks guys.
You're the team and you have the tools ! Beautiful and impressive work
Those are some nice ribbons coming off that Stihl, great work on that chain!
Nice setup! Very sweet operation and great teamwork between you two. That's a big difference maker in any production.
That’s a very interesting mill that you are using with two sets of blades cutting at 90˚ to each other. You would end up with a lot more useful lumber compared to a bandsaw blade that cuts completely across the diameter of the log. Thanks for sharing.
You might be mistaken.
The swing blade is a single blade Australian made Lucas Mill. Comes in 6", 8" & 10" configurations, with different power heads from 18hp to 30 hp.
That was some brilliant mill-work. That's how we optimize profits. I paid $100 for an 8/4 x14 x21 quartersawn cedar blank, for a one piece electric solid body guitar. The tone was out of this world.
It looks good. if you wont to get big quarter sawn wood you have to figure out how to break down large logs and it looks like you have a good system.
Like hearing the method behind your madness. getting another board out of a valuable log is a good thing.
I also have the Lucas and woodmizer super Hydraulic, it is amazing to me how the two machines compliment each other and I actually use both all the time, normally start with the Lucas slabber breaking down Huge logs and taking what's left to the band I'll to maximize the yield, both are a must have. Thank you for putting out this video this method never crossed my mind,,,, one thing though,,, when you took the last two cants from the center of the log to the bandmill you correctly put the chainsaw edge with the pith down on the bed,,,,, but you raised it up to allow for taper in the log, at that point you weren't cutting parallel with the pith,,,,,you noticed the error when you looked at your boards,,,, been there!! Just a different set of eyes, great video
Just like opening the log on the Lucas mill, I am seeking the bark edge. That is why we raised one end of the center cant on the band saw. Being parallel with the pith doesn't matter for these cuts, which are effectively edging cuts. Where being parallel to the pith becomes important is when I'm actually sawing out the boards, and I will sometimes take some taper off both sides of the cant in the process of trueing it up. Hope this makes sense, if not, ask and I will retry to clarify. Thanks for watching. Scott Webb
After watching again, you redeemed yourself when you flipped the cant and sawed the pith, wasn't meaning to be critical, excellent video, I now have a new perspective, you have broadened my horizons! (-:
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@@webbssawmill8826 Not a Wood-Mizer, looks like a Cooks MP32.
you are correct....MP32 @@olddodger7178
Ty for sharing I love your setup and I am sure as the 6 people who disliked this are. I am envious of your setup. Good luck and thanks again for sharing your technique
I admire your efficient working system.
Thanks for the explanation of how you determine where to cut... wondered for years what quarter-sawn meant!
Good to see the chainsaw doing the work, instead of you working the chainsaw. Amazing what a difference a properly sharpened chain does.
Keep making videos like that and you will be a hit ! Very well done, thank you!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. This will be very helpful to me when 1/4 sawing. I bought a Timberking 1220 several years ago and I am always looking for different ways of sawing.
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This is a good technique. Less handling of the log and better yield of true quarter sawn boards.
thanks for the treat. you processed some nice lookin stuff
Nice video! Good to see people who understand how to mill for best yield of the best cuts and not just "git'er done" any old how.
Thank you!
Great stuuf guys. Well done and you are great guys!
Check our REAL youtube channel at "Webb's Sawmill"...should have started with THAT for all our sawmill videos instead of loading them onto the 'family' channel!!
Check our REAL youtube channel at "Webb's Sawmill"...should have started with THAT for all our sawmill videos instead of loading them onto the 'family' channel!!
If your customer was satisfied with the cut plan and the outcome, then screw the naysayers and their hemorrhoids; you did a magnificent job with the resources at your disposal. ☺
Medullary rays are awesome.
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I enjoyed that. Thank you.
Nice job! Great looking result.
"How to utilize every piece of equipment I own milling a single log"
You can't argue with results though. Nicely done!
I've never done it that way ! I like it !
Nice looking wood
Thanks for taking the time to explain what you were doing, learned a lot
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I don't know much about sawmills, but I think you guys have the setup. That is great work.
Thanks! Come see this video and our other sawmill/logging related videos on our more official 'business' channel'! Webb's Sawmill
I am really liking those wide quarter-sawn boards. People will be accusing you of cutting old-growth lumber. 😁
Your technique is a great idea and could be done on the bandsaw only too. Man, that chainsaw. Awesome sharp!
Thanks, The problem is most portable bandsaws can't open a log that big.
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Actually he could have done it all with Lucas Mill. However the recovery would be a bit less due to the difference in kernel.
Lucas Mill has about a 1/4" blade while the band saw might be half that.
So 6 cuts of the band saw with the flitch he took off means an extra 3/4" board than doing the same on the Lucas Mill.
Excellent work. Looks like it's centered in both directions so that nobody gets unexpected twist in their quartered wood.
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nice and sharp chainsaw blade makes all the difference.
I didn’t see a comment about the chain blade you used. Did you use a ripping blade to make those cuts?
No just my regular falling/bucking chain.
Great video.
That is certainly an interesting technique for quarter sawing lumber. Given that you have both a swing blade mill, bandsaw mill, large chain saw and the support equipment for moving the logs around, it does yield you some really wide quarter sawn lumber. It's not every day you get a 10" wide quarter sawn board.
Perhaps a further refinement of your technique on these large logs would be to use the Lucas mill to get all the quarter and rift sawn lumber from the upper and lower 1/3 of the logs and then use the chainsaw and bandsaw mill to get the really wide quarter sawn lumber.
Watch the whole video. That is what we did.
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You guys rock that oak! What efficiency and yield...very impressive wood you are producing.
Thanks! check out actual sawmill channel for more videos! growing pains! lol!
Might be able to create a forest Gene instead of a land clearing chain nice job
needs more commentary . beautiful boards
Great video, thanks!
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Scott, when you take the 8x8.25 cant from the top of the log over the MP32, don't saw it immediately, but wait until you also have the cant after you flip the log over. Then, set them side by side and saw them together. Might speed you up a tad. ;)
Hey Todd Burch, Cutting two side by side increases the chance for the bandsaw to misbehave, plus my lovely stacker likes one board at a time.
Todd Burch whenever I add extra boards or cants, they move around and often bind the blade. Then you really waste time trying untangle the mess
Man that chainsaw is getting it done.......Nice vid...
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Nice Video, Thanks
10:38 oooo look at that. Beautiful!
just out of curiosity, back in the late 50's early 60's, in the small mill business, my dad and other small, (scrag) mill owner/operators refered to 6x6, 6x7, 7x7, 7x8, 8x8, 7x9, 9x8 's as ties. most were sold as railroad ties in this country. Douglas fir, western larch. sometimes lodgepole pine, but not frequently. I tail sawed and decked cants. Cants were either 2 inches thick or 4 inches thick. width varied from 8 inches to 40 inch plus and were standard fare for an edger, which produced 2x6s or 2x4's. my question i guess (it does not matter) is the term cant or tie a geographical or generic technological description ? Just curious.
In my experience, "ties" are railroad terminology and will be used in their cut dimension, and "cants" are anything that will be resawn, as in the pallet industry.
my same thoughts on when is a farm a farm and not a ranch! somewhere there is a line drawn and to the west it's a ranch, then move east and it turns into a farm!!! ;-)
makes sense stated like that. smell of fresh sawdust still turns my crank. thanks. just got back to playing with the neighbor's norwood lm29 after a 55 year hiatus. dear old dad would love todays small simplistic bandsaws. havn't dug up a picaroon yet, but am thinking. got lots of wood needing attention.
Great idea. Beautiful wood for any project.
you got the good stuff!!!
Since you have the two saws I would like your opinion. I am looking at either a Lucas Mill 8-30 or 10-30 or a Bandsaw Mill like a WoodMizer or a Norwood, if you had to select just one machine, what would you select. This is not a full time business yet but something to grow into
We have had the model 8 Lucas mill since 1998. If I could only have one mill, it would be the Lucas. I really like our Cook's MP32, but for our business which is really built around over size logs, the swing mill has served us well. If you are going to saw mostly small logs, a band mill may serve you better, but the Lucas can do both.
Dan Radusinovich
Thank you for replying. It helps a lot
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I think we need a soft sponge over the camera ladies microphone guys..
.....I got most of what you're saying and hope things go well during cutting......left you at 2.45
I don’t understand why none of the sawmill RUclipsrs know what actual quarter sawn lumber is.
You need a 'Dead Cat'--it's a muff that fits over the microphone and will greatly reduce wind noise.
I'm really impressed the more I see these Lucas Mills operating.
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good technique. I don't have that sort of time available, I just make those cuts all the way down using my lucas. I'm still a novice, so video was helpful. thanks.
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Am I missing something? I didn't see a water line, for lubrication, on the feed guide..........
I assume you are talking about the bandsaw. It has a diesel drip on a felt wick that rides on the blade. Check out Cooks saw.
People have know Idea how much work and expense goes into getting a board to the local hardware store, kudo's to you folks.
Very cool video. Boy is that chain saw SHARP. What kind of wood were you processing? Thanks for posting!
white oak
I have a woodmizer and I am definitely considering a lucas to compliment. Good video . I have subscribed
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the wood mizer seems like a more practical machine.
In all my years , never seen anything like that
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Why don't you rip the log in half with the Lucas Mill? If you cut the back before you turn it over you could cut 16" thick.
On that 26" red oak (the small end), the lucas doesn't have the depth of cut to lower enough to have 13" above the blade, nor the slabbing bar.
How much smaller is the kerf on the band saw over the swing saw?
The bandsaw is about 1/8", the Lucas is about 1/4. When we are resawing a cant to 4/4 thickness like we did in this video, we get one extra board from an 8 1/2" cant, which is as wide as the Lucas can cut. So that works out great. We only use this technique for high value material because it is more time consuming. For low value stuff we just hammer it out with the Lucas.
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The chalk line had a reduction gear.
Sound would be nice!
there is sound....
it's todd hoffman !!!
I don't understand why you resaw the boards with the Lucas to get their second square edge. Why not do that while on the log? Time saving? Board saving? Or perhaps it's obvious and I'm not thinking clearly this late at night.
When we flat saw, it is easy to edge everything while it is "attached" to the log. When we quartersaw we are targeting the middle boards. The outside riftsawn boards are more or less incidental and we edge them if they are wide enough. The most efficient way to do it that we have found is what you see in the video. Watch it again and see if it makes sense to you.
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Technically, the boards on the edge of the first square cuts are not quarter sawn, and they won't look as nice as the center boards. But goof film, and nice sawmill. That last big slab in the center was all quarter sawn, and should be beautiful.
I suspect you are talking about the boards that are rift cut. We don't get 100% quartersawn material with this technique, but I don't think other techniques do any better.
was that an 066 magnum chainsaw you used to rip down the center?
yes
Tim Scott and
Do you have this lumber dried and for sale?
No, Sorry. It was someone else's log. They own the lumber, and have probably sold it by now. Scott
Love the video, but Terri needs some safety glasses mate! Safety first...
I would be interested to hear all of your justifications for having both a bandmill and a swing blade mill.
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Might be a stupid question, but heard you mention that a fairly high percentage of that log ends up being low value rift cut. I realize it would take a lot more manipulation, but wouldn't it be possible to get significantly more 1/4 cut out of those rift cut sections by changing the angle at which it is cut? For example, if the area that normally produces rift could be removed in 1 piece, rather than in boards, the point could be cut off, allowing a flat to sit on, then cut straight down to get a higher percentage of 1/4 sawn?
It could be done, but the boards would be very narrow. Rift cut is lower value than good figured quartersawn, but some people prefer it because it is easier to match up when gluing than flatsawn or quartersawn. The law of diminishing returns comes into play when you consider the extra handling.
great vid, how long did all that take
Good question. We never really timed it.
Maybe an hour give or take.
is that a cooks sawmill
yes mp 32
None of those cuts looked like quarter sawn or rift sawn. They were all flat sawn, but had to be done in sections that way due to your small blade diameter.
Nice sharp chainsaw. I never manage to get mine that sharp.
it must be nice
We try!
You could have done all of this on the bandsaw mill
When the log is too big for our Cooks MP32 …..this is how we do it....
Why use chain saw when your circular saw can do it ?
Also you wasted the four corners by rift-sawing; with the Lucas mill you can quarter saw the whole log.
Why not just band saw the whole log?????
Too big for our band saw.
I sincerely hope that you have a drying kiln or something similar to throw these in before you sell them. If you're selling undried timber to people, I sincerely hope that you tell them so.
Todd Hoffman's twin ;-)
this looks dangerous to me, so glad I don't have to do it
What were saying might is not a word for your skill set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With respect, your assistants should wear eye protection. I've been to the ER with a chip in the eye, and it's no fun.
no eye protection!! thimk!!!
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This looks dangerous to me thank God I don't have to do it
Poor soundtrack