GAS LENS VS DIFFUSER-Which tig welding setup WINS?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Which tig welding setup is BETTER? Let's put them head to head today and compare the differences to see which one does the NICER work, and I think you'll be surprised at the results!
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In stainless steel the darker the colour the more heat input has occurred. Blues and purples being the hottest. And chome and golds being the most ideal heat.
I use a diffuser primarily because I like a smaller cup to maneuver
Virtually never welded in my life, just bought a Unimig viper 195 here in Aus & first sampled with some stainless welds & with clear cup & gas lens i got some beautiful colours & great results considering a first timer, technology is always changing, sure there are those who will stick to what they know after many moons of welding their style but gas lenses i see are a vast improvement. Just saying! Great vids as always thanks bro 😎
The setup I use is a stubby gas lens with a Jazzy 12 cup with 12 litres per min gas flow and I get great results on stainless, my machine is an Everlast 210EXT.
You could go with less argon.. ive experimented and ive been able to weld my 12 with as little as 3l per minute.. obviusly not outside corners.. but i never run more than 12l per min and i ussally use a size 25 glass cup...
All my work is now through a gas lens. I have been TIG welding for 30 years and only in the last two changed to a Furick gas lens setup. I weld all materials including Aluminium. Love your videos dude
Do you notice a benefit to a gas lens setup with alu? I've heard so many people say stay away from a lens on alu. The only answer I've heard as to why was because "it's not necessary". But I've never heard anything more in depth as to why. I've spent years watching Jody on RUclips like everyone else. And he's always said there's no need. I'm more interested in if there's a BENEFIT that's noticeable
I always use a Gas Lens. Jazzy 10 for Steel/Stainless. BBW for Titanium. 20Style Diffusor with Number 5 Cup for Aluminium.
Love watching your videos!
BUT, I think we have some parts definition problems here.
I believe you are calling a "collet body" a "diffuser". A "diffuser" is the screen piece in the large glass cups. The piece with the "gas holes" is a "collet body". The "gas lens" is the piece that replaces the "collet body" that has the diffuser screens built in.
You can achieve the same results from both setups. I've used both and now I primarily use gas lens setup becuase that is a better setup with better gas coverage. But you can adjust gas flows to optimize the weld using either setup.
Welding is a process that if you get enough weld material on you can grind it off to make the joint presentable......that's my way and it works..........I use a plasma welder mostly and tig for odd jobs..
Wireless foot control is where it's at bro!
I have been tig welding for about 7 years now mostly stainless steel when i first started my company provides standard diffusers and number 5 cups on our miller stl 160's about 4 years ago i decided to buy a gas lens setup to try and the change in qaulity of welds i laid amazed me so i now provide them for my crew and i use them at home as well on my projects with stainless steel mild steel and aluminum
Great video. My pick that I use is a standard collet on non-reactive materials like ally, and a gas lens for mild steel, Chromoly steel and stainless steel, the big advantage with the gas lens is stickout for reaching harder to get at spots
35 cfh through a 6 cup? Maybe 15-20? Having the same gas flow through two wildly different cup sizes is no equal comparison!
I thought the same. Maybe if he used a #6 cup on a gas lens to match the #6 with diffuser would have been a better comparison.
I came here to ask this. No way he’s flowing 35 cfh through a 6? I can’t imagine the weld would look as nice flowing so much turbulent gas through a six?
Where i work they just got me a new inverter welder with gas lens gun. The old transformer welder had a diffuser gun setup.
For the junk i weld they both work fine except some of the junk i have to ' repair ' requires going over welds made by plasma welding machines and going over those welds they ' pop ' and ' spit ' and gunk up my electrodes real fast and on the new gas lens gun it gunks up the little screen.
Not all tig welders get to make nice pretty dime stacks all day.
Some of us have to use a nice pretty machine and all the talent we can muster to weld crappy material that makes us look like we cant weld in the first place.
Life in the real world.
One of the best uses of a gas lens is they afford a much longer stick out of tungsten for those hard to reach areas. Almost an inch in some setups.
I take the gas defuser and drilled .040 diameter holes in between the existing holes and found the gas flow to be similar to using a gas lens without the cost of the gas lens defuser and the gas lens cup. It's about slowing down the gas existing the defuser to steady the flow of gas surrounding the weld puddle. There is still enough crossection of the defuser to conduct the current in the defuser to the tungsten. I use a #6 nozzle and 3/32 2% thoriated tungsten. Preflow and postflow are the same.
Chris Razor
HTWI
I am not judging your job or opinion but hey man what kind of a comparison is this
35cfh to the 6🥳?
Or even better why you didn’t just compare the 2 of them with the same number of cup
Again not trying to be the smart here but it’s just simple math
The arc shots in this video look amazing. Great video qualit.
I use a diffuser, but that's mainly because I do general welding on ali, steel, stainless and cast iron. When I do Stainless its usually for an exhaust where access is important and the smaller diameter diffuser helps that over a honking great gas lens.
Gas lens. I still struggle with diffusers. Awesome video.
using a different sized cup on a comparison? c'mon man.
use a #8 gas lens and a #8 diffuser. FFS.
so skewed.
I agree. The real comparison is in the Google image at 2:56
That's not 100% true.
Stupid question, but is a “gas saver lens” & a “gas lens” the same thing?
I use a 10 or 12 on stainless, a 10 or 8 on steel and I switch between a short standard 5 and a gas lens 5 or 6 for Aluminium. Most are from a big Furick kit I bought with my welder but the small gas lenses are just cheap glass 5 and 6 from somewhere but I really like them.
Do aluminum next
Diffuser vs gas lens 5 vs 8
Super comparaison entre le diffuseur normal et le diffuseur à lentille
Merci Dusti
at 9:14 it shows the enlarged heat affected zone using the diffuser compared to the gas lends. BUT, if I am not mistaken, the gas lens bead was done with the base (bottom) plate resting on the welding table (heat sink?) and the diffuser bead was up in the air. (I think....I will go back and try to find the screen shot location).
at 8:01 I think
on closer inspection, I think I am mistaken. both beads were done with base plate on a heat sink base. sorry
This is not a good sample test, the gas through that # 6 is much too high, no wonder the arc is all over the place.
I use a EDGE #12 for normal stainless. #15 for art , #8-10 for mild, and I can't do aluminum but if I could probably #6ish
I use #12 glass lens and it works great 😊
Also the cup size doesn't mean more or better gas coverage. The size of the cup dictates how far out your tungsten can be. That's about the only difference with cup sizes.
Surprised what the standard cup turned out like . But it took some serious gas flow . But I use a standard #5 for al. and Furick #10 on up for everything else . :)
Thank you, Dusty. Great video, I like using a gas lens. I'm new to tig welding I need to practice way more though 😊
I use a size ten diffuser set up
For .9mm up to 2mm stainless steel with gas on regulator range from 12 to 24 and size 5 diffuser on .9mm mirror stainless steel with gas on regulator at 30 up to 45 lots of gas and short runs
LET IT COOL DOWN BRO NO RUSH !
Note, that is a dust mask zero good for fumes, you meed a actual respirator cartridge
Welding .035 4130 tubes with 35 amps on foot pedal, #6 diffuser 12cfh. Just bought the Prime Weld with pulse...seems to allow a thicker fillet with the same heat settings as straight amps. Also forgiving to my poor eyes and occasional shakey hands.
great vid
Thank you , very informative as always.
Gas lens looks like more amp a more compatible test would have amperage sent on
panel of course speed in travel will also change
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Can diffusors and lenses be used on the same torch interchangeably? Or each torch is made specifically to be used with either a diffuser or lens setup?
I love my pannoramaxx lens but the headgear pisses me off, lol. Never stays up and the knobs keep coming loose. #8 gas lens on almost everything i weld
Just bought dynasty 400 and an aftermarket ck tig torch. The torch that came with the machine (miller) was good, had nice flexible cording, and the aftermarket ck torch (which should be all around better) has cheap plastic cables on it! So disappointed!
I think I may be using 2x the needed amperage...
I’m getting a lot of porosity in my aluminium, I clean as much as possible but still get it , could you make a video on this brother , how to prevent this , thx .
Loving all the videos btw , been a long term follower
And how to weld dirty aluminium, painted aluminium, cast aluminium,
And how to to tie in’s .
Thanks
Gas lens means far higher gas consumption, and less penetration on most welds. Good for pretty looking social media welds, but not a great idea for any sort of serious AL welding.
HOW DO YOU FILM YOUR WELDS AS YOU WELD CLOSE UP?.. HOW DO YOU MAKE A WELDING CAMERA?
Gas lens all day everyday.
Some ac/dc tig torch vids need a display in video to show what actual output amp the user is demanding from pedal. @pacificarcwelding
Use the same size cup and the correct cfh then that will be a correct comparison
What respirator are you using?
With the gas lens can you drop the cfh ?
Nice converse welding boots, you need a lab coat.
Bro doesn't have a cable cover over his tig torch cables. 🤦
😅 I r welder
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I would not call that a comparison. And you know that! It was a deceitful sales pitch.😮 two thumbs down. Show some integrity and compare the two using the same size lenses on Both. You just lost a subscriber
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Hmmm, yeah.
Why didn't you use the same cup sizes?
I do most my tig work in my shop, so i naturally use a lens.. i learned on diffusors and bought a pack of stubby gas lens ceramic cups on ebay for like 20€.. tried them and im never going back. I have a huge 25 glass cup for most my tig stuff, and will only use smaller stuff when i need to, i can weld 1mm stainless without any discoloration on an outside corner... that is impossible with a Diffusor.
I do environmental work for a living... I'm licensed and under a full medical surveillance program... That half face respirator is a standard HEPA that is rated for dust and debris... You want a Organic Vapor Cartridge... you always give great information... Please pass this information on so people don't see that your wearing a standard P100 half face and think that it's safe, because it's not...
What organic vapors would be present here? My understanding is that P100 filters are standard practice for welders, and particulates are the primary hazard. I would expect metal particulates, but I don't see any source for organic vapors when it's all clean metal. Ozone should also be minimal, since the arc is shielded with argon.
@@dack42 www.osha.gov/hexavalent-chromium
cut the gas flow by 1/3 and see how the lens performs , ie will it pay for its self .
What is the difference in gas lens such as stubby, standard size , or the extra large . Does one perform as well as the other or are there differences?
Do you have or have you used any of HTP/Stel welding machines? I would be interested in seeing their use in your demonstrations.
I appreciate your channel. I find your information to be spot on and very helpful to every welder from the novice to the professionals like myself. There are many ways to get get from A to Z in the welding profession, and I find your informational help to be very real and helpful to everyone. Thank you.
Chris Razor
HITWI
I use gas lens when I’ve got lots of room, but will use diffusers when in tight spaces or in the field. Diffusers are pretty durable and less expensive.
"carbide precipitation" is what that oxide is called 🎉🎉🎉
I hate dealing with gassholes.😂
Good morning