Sharpness and some of the fringing or edge artifacts are going to be aggravated on the Z5 because of the crop mode that makes your 24 megapixel full frame into about a 10 megapixel crop camera. It would be interesting to see how these might differ if you used your Z30 with double the pixels and the sensor package inclues the microlens array tuned for the projected angles of light exiting DX lenses.
@@ZWadePhoto apologies for missing that. I still wonder how much that highly specialized microlens array can impact what appears to be chromatic aberration. I have older AF type lenses that don't don't exhibit issues on DSLRs, but on my Z5 it's noticeable. Nikon made a big deal about this very early in the Z development and promotions, but it almost disappeared from public view. The microlens layer in the sensor assembly was redesigned for the Z-system and the lenses are all bigger to make room for a collimation stage that makes light exiting the lens more parallel. These less expensive lenses have a tiny exit lens and no exit collimation, so at the edges of the frame the light from the lens is striking the sensor at a more shallow angle. This is going to generate some prismatic effects between the millions of little bubble lenses whose purpose is to concentrate and direct light to the junctions that are the light sensitive portion of the sensor. Since pixels in the image don't directly correlate to a junction, those prismatic highlights get caught because they are effectively signal bleed between junctions and are rendered into the image as the data is processed for color with the Bayer filter interpolation. These tiny hotspots will look red and green mostly because red spectral separation is more evident, and green because twice as many sensor sites are covered with green in the Bayer filter. The difference may not be significant for most people, but it's a condition not too different from using a "matched" teleconverter on a lens that is almost lossless, vs putting that same converter behind a cheap zoom and it now magnifies every flaw. So it makes me wonder if the crop sensor camera corrects this by design.
@@OriginalWatchcow who knows 🤷♂️ I thought about it for like 2 seconds and rationalized, “since the full frame cameras have a DX mode that you can you at any point, it can’t be too detrimental or Nikon would t have even bothered.” Back in the day you’d get that Black ring of hazy death quality when you mount APS-C on FF. Now, it just automatically changes into DX mode instead of having g to manually put it in DX mode. 🙌🙌
I actually love the way this lens looks and renders faces, I had no problem with it the besides the fact of the video Auto focus sucked on my Z 30. I bought the Viltrox 24mm 1.4 to replace this
Had this lens for 2 weeks on Z fc and it was pretty good. The reason I returned was the absolute loud noise when focusing, either manually or automatically. I might try another lens before going back, if I do go back to it.
It has it's issues. Tiny Clackity and not SUPER good optics. Just fun looking in it's rendering. Reminds me of the F mount days where every lens had some kind of quirk.
Next move will be a dx lens completely made out of plastic. Even the optical elements. No metal screws of any kind. Just glue everything together so it can not be serviced. Nikon will have a boardroom meeting about it shortly.😅
I'd like to see a DX 10mm lens. I used to have a f-mount DX 10-20mm. Now my widest lens is a full frame Viltrox 20mm. I wasn't happy with the 10-20mm image quality, so maybe someday a DX prime will happen.
Probably test better on a DX camera it is designed for. I am with you on the metal mount. But honestly I have never really seen any issue with the plastic mounts. Most people put them on and never take them off. So not much wear. And at this price point on one of the Dx cameras. You have a decent little street shooter.
Nah. If you're using 45 mexapixels you come out to about the same megapixel that you'd get out of any of the current crop sensor offers. Close enough that normal people and freaks alike wouldn't see a difference. Until Nikon drops a bigger megapixel camera that is. I need to finish this lens mission before that happens. lol.
I think I would rather take the 40/2 and shoot FF instead of this crop nonsense )) Which (the 40/2) is like 26/1.3 DX equivalent and costs the same. I understand that each lens is a bit different and they all have ups and downs. But, come on, DX 24/1.7 is like 37/2.6 FF equivalent, almost a 2.8. I love my 40/2.8 Canon pancake, but it's twice cheaper and has less CA (almost none) and a metal mount. APS-C just doesn't make any sense since 2012.
I think there is a market for APS-C if the brand insist on not making a sub 600 full frame body. For the absolute beginner like in the D3000 series days.
@@ZWadePhoto Somehow everyone is terrified by the price of a FF camera body, but not by the overpriced crop lenses, that can cost a few hundred dollars more than their FF equivalent. The APS-C isn't really cheaper, except for its cheaper looking pictures. The fact that not all people care about getting the most out of their cameras, doesn't mean that we all must obey the "camera doesn't matter" mantra. Tools matter. Truth matters. Even the 58/0.95 Noct on APS-C is like 85/1.4 on FF )) It just makes everything perform cheaper.
I disagree. It seems that a lens with a metal mount is twice as expensive. Nikon needs to make a really cheap range to attract students and new users who are not used to blowing a weeks wages regularly on glass.
@@SingleTrack66 I would argue that a metal mount so shouldn’t cost anywhere near what it does. It can’t be that expensive for them to make. Alas, I don’t make the prices
I'm not a crop sensor guy either. At ALL. Only reason I rented this is because I'm on a mission. Had the z30 until recently or use only for content creation. Z6iii dropped, Not I'm all full frame and happy. i don't need NO more cameras.
Sharpness and some of the fringing or edge artifacts are going to be aggravated on the Z5 because of the crop mode that makes your 24 megapixel full frame into about a 10 megapixel crop camera. It would be interesting to see how these might differ if you used your Z30 with double the pixels and the sensor package inclues the microlens array tuned for the projected angles of light exiting DX lenses.
I didn’t shoot it on the Z5. Shot it on the Z8. I only tested the “feel” on the Z5
@@ZWadePhoto apologies for missing that. I still wonder how much that highly specialized microlens array can impact what appears to be chromatic aberration. I have older AF type lenses that don't don't exhibit issues on DSLRs, but on my Z5 it's noticeable. Nikon made a big deal about this very early in the Z development and promotions, but it almost disappeared from public view. The microlens layer in the sensor assembly was redesigned for the Z-system and the lenses are all bigger to make room for a collimation stage that makes light exiting the lens more parallel. These less expensive lenses have a tiny exit lens and no exit collimation, so at the edges of the frame the light from the lens is striking the sensor at a more shallow angle. This is going to generate some prismatic effects between the millions of little bubble lenses whose purpose is to concentrate and direct light to the junctions that are the light sensitive portion of the sensor. Since pixels in the image don't directly correlate to a junction, those prismatic highlights get caught because they are effectively signal bleed between junctions and are rendered into the image as the data is processed for color with the Bayer filter interpolation. These tiny hotspots will look red and green mostly because red spectral separation is more evident, and green because twice as many sensor sites are covered with green in the Bayer filter.
The difference may not be significant for most people, but it's a condition not too different from using a "matched" teleconverter on a lens that is almost lossless, vs putting that same converter behind a cheap zoom and it now magnifies every flaw. So it makes me wonder if the crop sensor camera corrects this by design.
@@OriginalWatchcow who knows 🤷♂️ I thought about it for like 2 seconds and rationalized, “since the full frame cameras have a DX mode that you can you at any point, it can’t be too detrimental or Nikon would t have even bothered.” Back in the day you’d get that Black ring of hazy death quality when you mount APS-C on FF. Now, it just automatically changes into DX mode instead of having g to manually put it in DX mode. 🙌🙌
I actually love the way this lens looks and renders faces, I had no problem with it the besides the fact of the video Auto focus sucked on my Z 30. I bought the Viltrox 24mm 1.4 to replace this
I had a lot of fun with it 🤷♂️
Had this lens for 2 weeks on Z fc and it was pretty good. The reason I returned was the absolute loud noise when focusing, either manually or automatically. I might try another lens before going back, if I do go back to it.
I had the same I send it back
It has it's issues. Tiny Clackity and not SUPER good optics. Just fun looking in it's rendering. Reminds me of the F mount days where every lens had some kind of quirk.
It’s a $300 lens lol. What do you want it to perform like an S series 2500 lens?
@@skurt2752 no but no squeaky noises....
Next move will be a dx lens completely made out of plastic. Even the optical elements. No metal screws of any kind. Just glue everything together so it can not be serviced. Nikon will have a boardroom meeting about it shortly.😅
You can get similar things on amazon lol. Lenses are made of plastic too. Can't be left in the car or they'll melt.
I'd like to see a DX 10mm lens. I used to have a f-mount DX 10-20mm. Now my widest lens is a full frame Viltrox 20mm. I wasn't happy with the 10-20mm image quality, so maybe someday a DX prime will happen.
I own the 12-28 which is pretty good even wide open.
@@jean-charles9931 Okay, that's quite close to 10mm. Do you have samples on Flickr or somewhere else?
You listening Nikon?
That is a surprisingly nice lens. 🤙🤙
Probably test better on a DX camera it is designed for. I am with you on the metal mount. But honestly I have never really seen any issue with the plastic mounts. Most people put them on and never take them off. So not much wear. And at this price point on one of the Dx cameras. You have a decent little street shooter.
Nah. If you're using 45 mexapixels you come out to about the same megapixel that you'd get out of any of the current crop sensor offers. Close enough that normal people and freaks alike wouldn't see a difference. Until Nikon drops a bigger megapixel camera that is. I need to finish this lens mission before that happens. lol.
Probably pic up this lens when the Z50ii comes out.
I’m waiting!
I think I would rather take the 40/2 and shoot FF instead of this crop nonsense )) Which (the 40/2) is like 26/1.3 DX equivalent and costs the same. I understand that each lens is a bit different and they all have ups and downs. But, come on, DX 24/1.7 is like 37/2.6 FF equivalent, almost a 2.8. I love my 40/2.8 Canon pancake, but it's twice cheaper and has less CA (almost none) and a metal mount. APS-C just doesn't make any sense since 2012.
I think there is a market for APS-C if the brand insist on not making a sub 600 full frame body. For the absolute beginner like in the D3000 series days.
@@ZWadePhoto Somehow everyone is terrified by the price of a FF camera body, but not by the overpriced crop lenses, that can cost a few hundred dollars more than their FF equivalent. The APS-C isn't really cheaper, except for its cheaper looking pictures. The fact that not all people care about getting the most out of their cameras, doesn't mean that we all must obey the "camera doesn't matter" mantra. Tools matter. Truth matters. Even the 58/0.95 Noct on APS-C is like 85/1.4 on FF )) It just makes everything perform cheaper.
@@0ecka they should be equally affordable. Or I don’t think there is a need for them
"Nope" 3:09. 🤣
Definitely nope hahaha.
I disagree. It seems that a lens with a metal mount is twice as expensive. Nikon needs to make a really cheap range to attract students and new users who are not used to blowing a weeks wages regularly on glass.
@@SingleTrack66 I would argue that a metal mount so shouldn’t cost anywhere near what it does. It can’t be that expensive for them to make. Alas, I don’t make the prices
@@ZWadePhoto it’s true. You would think that a metal mount would add no more than £30 to the price. But it’s just not the case. Sadly.
Nope.
I bought the Viltrox 28mm. I don’t do crop sensors currently but there is zero reason to buy this thing.
I'm not a crop sensor guy either. At ALL. Only reason I rented this is because I'm on a mission. Had the z30 until recently or use only for content creation. Z6iii dropped, Not I'm all full frame and happy. i don't need NO more cameras.