I'll eventually get to character creation but my mind is all over the place in what's in here, so I'm covering things that just jump out at me as.. "hmm, that's interesting!"
I'd like to see a bit more about crafting in an official sense. I can create up something for my table (to be honest, I'll likely continue to use the rules that we've been using for years; after X sessions it will be complete, scratch off X gold... OR... if there is something they are wanting to craft I'll create a one shot where they go out to find the materials and then at the end of the session we all agree that enough time passes in the downtime between then and the next session so they will have whatever it is they are wanting to make).
yeah... I'm not one to ramble on just to make a video longer than it needs to be. I'll be exploring the crafter feat in a future video when I go over feats. Stay tuned! :)
Just FYI, 2014 PHB requires half the cost in materials to craft, not full cost. You even read it right but then misspoke after saying you needed the full cost. Has crafting changed? IMO no, the rules in the 2024 PHB are identical to the rule in Xanathar's. Although I'm happy to have it in the PHB now and not in a splat book.
this is what it says in the 2014 version: _If something you want to craft has a market value greater than 5 gp, you make progress every day in 5-gp increments until you reach the market value of the item. For example, a suit of plate armor (market value 1,500 gp) takes 300 days to craft by yourself._ Did I misspeak that? I thought that's how I explained it? I can't see anything in it that says it's half the cost in materials?
@@gamemasters The sentence before is, "For every day of downtime you spend crafting, you can craft one or more items with a total market value not exceeding 5 gp, and you must expend raw materials worth half the total market value." Which means each 5 gp increment of the larger item takes one day and costs 2.5gp. I guess one could read it differently and that the "must expend raw materials worth half the total market value," only applies to items worth 5gp or less. But since the greater than 5gp section doesn't state a cost at all IMO, just talks about market value, I have just inferred the cost was the same as for cheap items, you spend 2.5gp per day. Otherwise it would get weird with a 5gp item costs 2.5gp to make but a 5gp+1cp item costing 5gp+1cp to make. The new PHB explains it much clearer, which is nice. The old wording required some grammatical inference. A "funny in how ridiculous it would be" aside... a friend of mine read it as making full plate cost 750gp per day crafted to make. So would cost over 112,000pp. Since it says you. "must expend raw materials worth half the TOTAL MARKET VALUE" (emphasis mine)
I like the changes. However, I would have liked maybe a list of material components. I know they couldn't list it for every item, but for basic stuff it would have been nice. Great video!
My issue with the new crafting system is that while some things are quicker to craft now but still take time, some things that were craftable over a long rest are now no longer craftable over that time, or are only such if one has the Crafter feat. So for instance, if you want to be that guy who makes alchemist’s fire for your own use, now each one is going to take you 5 days, and before under Xanathar’s you could make them as part of a long rest. Archers used to be able to whittle themselves arrows overnight with woodcarver’s tools. Now a full 8 hour workday is the time floor for making anything. It makes it so that only campaigns with significant downtime can even use most of the crafting rules. They need to have variant rules for different types of campaigns in the DMG
especially considering someone can make a potion of healing in only 8 hours.. and it's the same cost as alchemist's fire.. However, a pack of 20 arrows costs 1gp, so you could, in theory, make many over the course of an 8 hour long rest. Crafting something doesn't _have_ to be only done in down time.
Thought about all the many parts and layers that come together to make plate armour, the assumed technology level, the logistics to get parts and those tools, the workspace required, etc. The costs suddenly seem much more appropriate. Overall, for a one-person show, the 2024 crafting rules are... fine. A solid baseline for making stuff that can be easily adapted & expanded on. With them being so well written and available, I hope to see them being used more.
I would like more details too. Do you have to roll to make the item? Is there quality variation? How do you find materials for more weird armor? Can you use beast skin? How much leather do you get out of a T-Rex? Can you harvest magical organs? The rules as is, are somewhat boring but simple. Sure, it makes it easier to add things on top, but you literally have to do all the work yourself. Far from what was advertised.
Looks like 3rd-level _Spell Scrolls_ are your best bet. They're powerful enough to be useful throughout an adventure, but without taking TOO much time to craft. I mean, 5 days is still a while, but with some help that's only 3 days. It's probably worth it to hire an assistant NPC rather than have a party member help you.
aye, I agree. I cannot say that we've gotten into the economy (as in money) within the game, regarding to the players attempting to make a business out of crafting items.. but with this presented in the way that it has been, I'm kindav tempted to work on how that _could_ work out..
It piggybacks off of this, but I'd love to know more about the Crafter Origin feat, but more specifically, what the Fast Crafting Table is that the feat talks about, how that works, and what it meant by "lasts until you finish another Long Rest." Basically, if I create a torch, whether I use it or not, it only lasts for 1 day?
I'll cover the Crafting Feat in a different video (when I cover feats), but how it works is sortav how you described it. If you create a Torch, it will last until you finish another long rest, then it falls apart (I imagine it to be closer to... the wrappings are all burned away or the fuel to keep it lit is consumed). You made it quickly so you just hobbled some materials together to "make it work" for that time frame. Where I have a hard time wrapping my head around that concept is in regards to ball bearings or an iron pot. Those are pretty substantial so.. I can't logically figure out how they would wear out once you've taken another long rest.
@@gamemasters The ball bearings and pot had impure metal so they eventually rust faster and crumble. To be fair though, that would not happen with metal in a day.
now watching! thanks! oh man, crafting rules still sucks. My advice for everyone outhere, check The Witcher RPG and/or Fallout RPG crafting rules, and just plug as they are in their games into 5e. will leave you with a fun mechanics to play with. Mind to share falling damage rules? In 2014, you only need 61 hp to survive the damage, if you fall from a distance equal from the moon to the earth, you´ll spend months falling, so, you´ll die from starving before the actual falling damage...
If I'm making spell scrolls they aren't for sale they are for my use. For example the shield spell or healing word on a scroll for emergencies. As well as spells I don't want to prepare but want to have a use of ready like fog cloud or purity food and water.
Great video, GM!!! I like the updates. Say, what's happened with skills? I haven't heard anything and I'm wondering if we got more this time than a few throwaway lines about what a skill does in theory. I would give ANYTHING to see some tables for specific tasks DCs for each skill, the way 3.5 and 4E did it. Keep up the great work! PS: Oh, and the beard keeps looking better and better. RAWR!!!
@@gamemasters Thanks, Bud! Taking care of hubby in the early stages of Alzheimer's, so a little busier than usual. But it's all good. Keep up the good work, Sir!
I think armour should be varaible in time, if you are at your keep with other staff on hand there should be reduction for professional black smith on hand. Do they go into customising existing items in the PHB?
I have not run across anything that talks about customizing existing items (does not mean it's not in here, I just haven't run across it). I'm also not seeing anything listed about Bastions, so perhaps that is further detailed in the upcoming DMG.
I expected WAY more, didn't someone mention that a background mentioned a "Fast Crafting Table" somewhere? Also I don't like that it's still inconsistent, a healing potion costs 50 GP, same as the Heavy Crossbow from the example, yet it costs a single day instead of 5 days. Heck, it should be 50 gp per day instead of 10 gp per day to make sense of it. I also appreciate that they reduced significantly the cost of each scroll, but still seems arbitrary. I much prefer the 3.5 rules in which the cost of the scroll is the spell level x caster level x 25 gp
A friend of mine still uses 3.5 prices and charts. He says that, if no new rules are shared, then those are the official one. I use The Witcher RPG rules for crafting. Too much crunch, tho, and that´s why i love that system.
yeah, there are still going to be some things that I choose to use older editions for.. crafting is going to be one of them.. tho I DO like that the cost to craft was cut in half..
I am wondering if 50% cost as material cost. It seems high. That is not much of a profit margin if you think of the value for labor costs. It depends on the items, I guess. But looking at 1500 gp plate armor, with 750 gp for materials and 150 work days. Is 3 gold per work day a good wage? Maybe.
there is one section that cites you can spend 1 gold per day for the basics (lodging, food, etc). I mean.. if I'm making 3 gold per day.. I'd say there is nothing wrong with that.
Other people’s games must be really different from the ones I play in. They most down time I’ve ever had is a week, and it’s not very often. Been wanting to craft +1 Half-Plate with my smithing tool proficient character that has expertise in arcana, and learned it would take…. 500 days with the new rules. Who has 500 days of downtime?
we don't know what the process would be for magical items yet. Under 2024-5e, it would take a base of 75 days to make half-plate. No idea yet on how long to add the +1, as that will be set forth in the DMG.
This seems to largely just changing the PHB to the updated rules in Xanathar. There is one issue with the change though... the new ruled do not take into account cost of living. That is a hidden tax on the crafting system now.
this is one of the reasons that I stated that I felt this section need to "cook" a little more. I've mentioned this in another video but there are still parts of the past PHB that are still relevant, for example, it mentions that while crafting you can assume to spend up to 1 gp a day for lodging, food, etc. This 2024 one says nothing at all about that.
I do wonder is the lowest you can break something into 8hr? Because what if i want to craft a scroll after or before a long rest and only want to give it an hours work???
yeah, I'm not terribly a fan of how crafting works. I'll likely revert back to how we've done it for years: want to make a scroll? You'll need to know the spell and have some parchment and a writing implement. However long it would take to cast it, it takes 4 times as long to write it down. Once done, that spell is spent from your spell slot. This means that a spell that would take 1 minute to cast takes about 4 minutes to write down. 'course, to regain the spell would require rest.. so.. BUT it's something you can do in down time as well.
Do magic items have different crafting rules, or do they follow the same rules as nonmagical items? Sorry, I had to watch with the sound off and following RUclips subtitles so i may have missed it if you covered this
I like how they changed it where it only costs you half price to make items it never made sense to me that you had to pay full price to make the item you want
To be fair, if you have the crafter origin feat, buying nonmagical items (such as crafting ingredients) costs 20% less. So youd only need to spend 40% of the total cost of the item, giving you a 60% markup if you're an artisan or took the feat.
I'm curious about how the finished form of Bastions shook out. with regard to crafting systems- I'm a little disappointed. As a real life crafter, and somebody who has character concepts like the half orc arcane trickster with a desire to collect broken things use mend and improve the quality of thrown away items, running a side business as a traveling merchant, which opens doors for parties and adds legitimacy to travel and transaction. Or a ranger using foraged materials to make arrows, bow string, slings etc to trade in towns for metal parts for making daggers and hafting spear heads. I'd have liked to see a bit more robust crafting systems, that are more realistic timewise. It should be possible to replace all the arrows lost in a day, with foraged materials during the rest stops and watch at night. Equipping everybody with sling, darts, staves, javelins, etc often, and even selling surplus for trade doesn't break the game, not many players will give up adventuring to do the traveling merchant/crafter life.
Not much has changed, but wow is the economy a mess. Potion of healing = 1 day of crafting, 25gp of profit/savings. Plate armour = 150 days of crafting, 750gp profit/savings, ie, 5 gp a day. I suspect there are numerous items that are just not worth crafting based on the cost savings, notably when compared with something else you could craft.
yeah, I'm gonna wait until we see what the magic item crafting is in the DMG.... I'll likely craft up my own crafting rules (which will likely not be much different than what I already use).
@@gamemasters it might be a cool video to see the economy of various items. It looks like all armor is 5gp saved per day, I wonder if other equipment or item categories are different. Anyway great video thanks for making it!
An idea has been floating around that involves thief rogues using spell scrolls of true strike on their bonus actions. Consuming the material component to craft the scroll makes this so janky! The spell reads, if my source is right: "you make one attack with the weapon used in the Spell's casting". Could I use this to make longbow attacks despite not having two free hands or proficiency, if the crafter is proficient and wants to consume a longbow for every scroll? Wild. (common sense would suggest that only COSTLY components should be consumed in the crafting, and that the scroll's user would still need to provide their own material component, the weapon, in this one particular case. But both of these are contrary to the rules as written.)
I get what you are say, this is how I would handle it at my table... A longbow is a two handed heavy martial ranged weapon. True Strike requires the weapon be of at least 1 copper in worth (a long bow is since it is worth about 50gold), but.. one must also be proficient in it to use true strike. True Strike is available to bards, sorcerers, warlocks, and wizards and they can only be proficient in simple weapons. A longbow is not a simple weapon, therefore they could not scribe trues strike for a long bow. Now, let's assume you wanted to still go for a ranged weapon, that is also simple that those classes _could_ be proficient in, you'd be able to use a dagger, handaxe, javelin, light hammer, or a spear. We'll go with Javelin just to make it as silly as we can, because.. like.. a javelin could easily be as tall as a longbow.. plus it also qualifies since it's worth 5 silver. As the scribe to scroll reads, it would indeed consume the javelin, but I don't know too many casters that are going to go with being proficient with a javelin.. I mean.. if they wanted to just so that they could scribe true strike.. okay.. sure? But at a certain point, it's going to become a detriment to the class. Make it a daggr instead and I can see that making sense. BUT.. let's face it.. a good amount of the time players don't do things because it makes sense hahahaha
I understand the need for simplicity, but I was disappointed in the new rules. Its not that I need more rules for actual crafting. I want ingredients for my table to quest for.
that's part of what I was referring to when I talk about wanting to see this portion expanded. I'm fine homebrewing but having something to base it off of would be better. That all said, however, I'd be curious to know how many tables actually do crafting on a session to session basis. I mean.. we've had a few adventures where the players will roll out and seek out some raw materials and perhaps have a random encounter or two, and then in game craft stuff, but aside from that (which doesn't happen all that often) they just don't craft things. What I DO use, however, if a basic time table for when they hire someone (a blacksmith for example) so that they know roughly when the item will be completed.
@gamemasters I also tend to have craftsmen do most of the actual crafting. It's getting the ingredients and having an actual recipe I'd like. Even, at minimum, I would like for a section in the DMG that includes every item that can be crafted after harvesting from a MM monster, like aboleth mucus, or a beholder stomach for bags of holding. I want exploration generation, give my herbalist 20-100 plants per region that can be used in potion brewing, and give my barbarian a list of tusks and horns that can imbue magto thier weapon. I don't actually think specific rules on how to craft things are so important as knowing what things my players could use in crafting. The way they talked about it, I guess I was too hopeful that they'd expand it to more than just spending money on materials. So now I'm going through Ad&d and BG3 crafting to pick and choose what I want for now, I guess.
Not much of an improvement, still a crafting system for items that already exist that is just a time and gold sink. I was hoping for some framework for custom items, rituals and materials that affect its capabilities, ranging from mundane items like plate and a sword, then what if you made it of mithral? what kind of runes or gemstones do you need to implant in it to hold a once per day evocation spell vs an abjuration spell? What if I wanted to make an intelligent item - what would I need to do, to sacrifice? ... well, maybe one day. Perhaps when another book with an updated Artificer comes out.
yeah, I'd like a better framework as well. I mean.. it wouldn't be terribly difficult to make a homebrew framework for how crafting items could happen, but if this is ultimately aimed at new players, I can see where that could easily be a question asked.
So they basically gathered all the homebrew crafting systems that the community wrote and made them worse lol. I'll keep using my homebrew crafting system 😅😂
@@bernaspah every edition of the game stemmed from homebrew. Every single one. That said, I guarantee that if folks were to sit at my table and play, they'd never recognize it as "d&d" haha because, yes, I homebrew the hell out of it, even beyond what has been provided.
@@gamemasters you mean the crafting part of the game itself? I'm not a "dnd-head" so, I'm actually asking ahah. In terms of the crafting part, they just can't seem to get it right without it being boring, un-intuitive - basically, no one wants to do it and be presented to the hassle that crafting in dnd is. Also, thank you for your answer :)
@@gamemasters good point but will an average craftsman be able to compete with a local wizard fabricating? I think from a world building perspective it's kind of silly that someone would take 150 days to make something a wizard can whip together in ten minutes. I still love the changes and enjoy having the crafting options especially with the new discount cutting it in half.
yeah, we rarely used crafting rules. I kindav just did what made sense. You want to craft a dozen or so arrows? Okay, you'd need some flint and some sticks, spend some down time and it's done. I don't think I'll have my table get into this micro-manage system of crafting. It's neat, and it gives me some ideas, but ultimately, I don't like the micro of it.
New Crafting rules are great. Not only giving the players some basics that they ar eentitled to, but also keeping powerful options under the DMs contorl, THAts a nice balanbce. The New rules ar esimple but thats the beauty of it. There will be 3rd party rules ocming that build off of this, ONe for my table, one for someone elses table, and another for asomeone elses table, and NOOONE is locked into a crafting system that doesnt work at their table. becuz EVERY table is different.
agreed, every table is different and I think that's one of the things that I appreciate about d&d's approach outside of adventures, it is open enough to allow DMs to craft up whatever they want (not in terms of item crafting but in regards to world building). Given... some would prefer to not have to develop as much (I have certainly seen my fair share of comments "why do I have to do their jobs for them??!") and I will admit that I would love to see more lore driven books released.. but.. I'm still happy with being able to create my own home brew worlds.
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I appreciate you covering crafting while so many other creators are talking about character creation and whatnot
I'll eventually get to character creation but my mind is all over the place in what's in here, so I'm covering things that just jump out at me as.. "hmm, that's interesting!"
Crafting was one of the items from the book I was interested in. Thank you for sharing the changes.
I'd like to see a bit more about crafting in an official sense. I can create up something for my table (to be honest, I'll likely continue to use the rules that we've been using for years; after X sessions it will be complete, scratch off X gold... OR... if there is something they are wanting to craft I'll create a one shot where they go out to find the materials and then at the end of the session we all agree that enough time passes in the downtime between then and the next session so they will have whatever it is they are wanting to make).
@@gamemasters I was using the 3.5 rules for crafting in combination with the different artisan tool kits from 5e.
Good video, it's clear and focussed. I'd love to hear how the crafter feat could be used and how it looks, + good ways to utilize scroll crafting.
yeah... I'm not one to ramble on just to make a video longer than it needs to be. I'll be exploring the crafter feat in a future video when I go over feats. Stay tuned! :)
Just FYI, 2014 PHB requires half the cost in materials to craft, not full cost. You even read it right but then misspoke after saying you needed the full cost.
Has crafting changed? IMO no, the rules in the 2024 PHB are identical to the rule in Xanathar's. Although I'm happy to have it in the PHB now and not in a splat book.
this is what it says in the 2014 version: _If something you want to craft has a market value greater than 5 gp, you make progress every day in 5-gp increments until you reach the market value of the item. For example, a suit of plate armor (market value 1,500 gp) takes 300 days to craft by yourself._ Did I misspeak that? I thought that's how I explained it? I can't see anything in it that says it's half the cost in materials?
@@gamemasters The sentence before is, "For every day of downtime you spend crafting, you can craft one or more items with a total market value not exceeding 5 gp, and you must expend raw materials worth half the total market value."
Which means each 5 gp increment of the larger item takes one day and costs 2.5gp. I guess one could read it differently and that the "must expend raw materials worth half the total market value," only applies to items worth 5gp or less. But since the greater than 5gp section doesn't state a cost at all IMO, just talks about market value, I have just inferred the cost was the same as for cheap items, you spend 2.5gp per day.
Otherwise it would get weird with a 5gp item costs 2.5gp to make but a 5gp+1cp item costing 5gp+1cp to make.
The new PHB explains it much clearer, which is nice. The old wording required some grammatical inference.
A "funny in how ridiculous it would be" aside... a friend of mine read it as making full plate cost 750gp per day crafted to make. So would cost over 112,000pp. Since it says you. "must expend raw materials worth half the TOTAL MARKET VALUE" (emphasis mine)
I like the changes. However, I would have liked maybe a list of material components. I know they couldn't list it for every item, but for basic stuff it would have been nice. Great video!
ooh! indeed yes! that would be cool to see.
My issue with the new crafting system is that while some things are quicker to craft now but still take time, some things that were craftable over a long rest are now no longer craftable over that time, or are only such if one has the Crafter feat. So for instance, if you want to be that guy who makes alchemist’s fire for your own use, now each one is going to take you 5 days, and before under Xanathar’s you could make them as part of a long rest. Archers used to be able to whittle themselves arrows overnight with woodcarver’s tools. Now a full 8 hour workday is the time floor for making anything. It makes it so that only campaigns with significant downtime can even use most of the crafting rules. They need to have variant rules for different types of campaigns in the DMG
especially considering someone can make a potion of healing in only 8 hours.. and it's the same cost as alchemist's fire.. However, a pack of 20 arrows costs 1gp, so you could, in theory, make many over the course of an 8 hour long rest. Crafting something doesn't _have_ to be only done in down time.
If I remember correctly it's basically just using the crafting alterations that was in xanathars guide.
it's _very_ close to how it's presented in Xanathars guide, although I'd say that Xan's goes into a bit more detail and depth.
@@gamemasters ill wait for more of your reviews and comparisons to help me decide if I will buy it.
Thanks for doing them
I think I'll just use the 3.5 Crafting guide... its d20 System and...well...
..."If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"...
pretty much
Thought about all the many parts and layers that come together to make plate armour, the assumed technology level, the logistics to get parts and those tools, the workspace required, etc. The costs suddenly seem much more appropriate.
Overall, for a one-person show, the 2024 crafting rules are... fine. A solid baseline for making stuff that can be easily adapted & expanded on. With them being so well written and available, I hope to see them being used more.
I dunno.. cost wise, sure, I can get behind that. I would have liked to have seen the crafting rules fleshed out a fair bit better though.
I would like more details too.
Do you have to roll to make the item? Is there quality variation? How do you find materials for more weird armor? Can you use beast skin? How much leather do you get out of a T-Rex? Can you harvest magical organs?
The rules as is, are somewhat boring but simple. Sure, it makes it easier to add things on top, but you literally have to do all the work yourself. Far from what was advertised.
Looks like 3rd-level _Spell Scrolls_ are your best bet. They're powerful enough to be useful throughout an adventure, but without taking TOO much time to craft. I mean, 5 days is still a while, but with some help that's only 3 days. It's probably worth it to hire an assistant NPC rather than have a party member help you.
aye, I agree. I cannot say that we've gotten into the economy (as in money) within the game, regarding to the players attempting to make a business out of crafting items.. but with this presented in the way that it has been, I'm kindav tempted to work on how that _could_ work out..
It piggybacks off of this, but I'd love to know more about the Crafter Origin feat, but more specifically, what the Fast Crafting Table is that the feat talks about, how that works, and what it meant by "lasts until you finish another Long Rest." Basically, if I create a torch, whether I use it or not, it only lasts for 1 day?
I'll cover the Crafting Feat in a different video (when I cover feats), but how it works is sortav how you described it. If you create a Torch, it will last until you finish another long rest, then it falls apart (I imagine it to be closer to... the wrappings are all burned away or the fuel to keep it lit is consumed). You made it quickly so you just hobbled some materials together to "make it work" for that time frame.
Where I have a hard time wrapping my head around that concept is in regards to ball bearings or an iron pot. Those are pretty substantial so.. I can't logically figure out how they would wear out once you've taken another long rest.
@@gamemasters
The ball bearings and pot had impure metal so they eventually rust faster and crumble.
To be fair though, that would not happen with metal in a day.
now watching! thanks!
oh man, crafting rules still sucks.
My advice for everyone outhere, check The Witcher RPG and/or Fallout RPG crafting rules, and just plug as they are in their games into 5e. will leave you with a fun mechanics to play with.
Mind to share falling damage rules?
In 2014, you only need 61 hp to survive the damage, if you fall from a distance equal from the moon to the earth, you´ll spend months falling, so, you´ll die from starving before the actual falling damage...
ooh! yeah, Crafting video is up now!!
If I'm making spell scrolls they aren't for sale they are for my use. For example the shield spell or healing word on a scroll for emergencies. As well as spells I don't want to prepare but want to have a use of ready like fog cloud or purity food and water.
I get that. I just have a few players that will use this in an attempt to make extra gold. My table gets crafty with ways to boost their coffers heh.
I’m interested to see how they updated the tools. I remember them saying that they changed some stuff around for most if not all the crafting tools
I'll make a note here and will cover that in a future video for sure.
@@gamemasters Appreciated
A 50% markup on goods production is crap. Most businesses can't survive on that little markup.
ehm.. 29% to 35% is industry standard.. 50% is well above standard.
@@gamemasters in retail yes. Not in production. They don't even allow for wholesale margin with that number.
Great video, GM!!! I like the updates.
Say, what's happened with skills? I haven't heard anything and I'm wondering if we got more this time than a few throwaway lines about what a skill does in theory. I would give ANYTHING to see some tables for specific tasks DCs for each skill, the way 3.5 and 4E did it.
Keep up the great work!
PS: Oh, and the beard keeps looking better and better. RAWR!!!
heeey! long time since you've commented!!! I'll make a note and will include skills in a future video!
@@gamemasters Thanks, Bud! Taking care of hubby in the early stages of Alzheimer's, so a little busier than usual. But it's all good.
Keep up the good work, Sir!
I think armour should be varaible in time, if you are at your keep with other staff on hand there should be reduction for professional black smith on hand. Do they go into customising existing items in the PHB?
I have not run across anything that talks about customizing existing items (does not mean it's not in here, I just haven't run across it). I'm also not seeing anything listed about Bastions, so perhaps that is further detailed in the upcoming DMG.
Cant wait to watch!
I expected WAY more, didn't someone mention that a background mentioned a "Fast Crafting Table" somewhere?
Also I don't like that it's still inconsistent, a healing potion costs 50 GP, same as the Heavy Crossbow from the example, yet it costs a single day instead of 5 days. Heck, it should be 50 gp per day instead of 10 gp per day to make sense of it.
I also appreciate that they reduced significantly the cost of each scroll, but still seems arbitrary. I much prefer the 3.5 rules in which the cost of the scroll is the spell level x caster level x 25 gp
A friend of mine still uses 3.5 prices and charts.
He says that, if no new rules are shared, then those are the official one.
I use The Witcher RPG rules for crafting. Too much crunch, tho, and that´s why i love that system.
yeah, there are still going to be some things that I choose to use older editions for.. crafting is going to be one of them.. tho I DO like that the cost to craft was cut in half..
I am wondering if 50% cost as material cost. It seems high. That is not much of a profit margin if you think of the value for labor costs. It depends on the items, I guess. But looking at 1500 gp plate armor, with 750 gp for materials and 150 work days. Is 3 gold per work day a good wage? Maybe.
there is one section that cites you can spend 1 gold per day for the basics (lodging, food, etc). I mean.. if I'm making 3 gold per day.. I'd say there is nothing wrong with that.
Other people’s games must be really different from the ones I play in. They most down time I’ve ever had is a week, and it’s not very often. Been wanting to craft +1 Half-Plate with my smithing tool proficient character that has expertise in arcana, and learned it would take…. 500 days with the new rules. Who has 500 days of downtime?
we don't know what the process would be for magical items yet.
Under 2024-5e, it would take a base of 75 days to make half-plate. No idea yet on how long to add the +1, as that will be set forth in the DMG.
This seems to largely just changing the PHB to the updated rules in Xanathar. There is one issue with the change though... the new ruled do not take into account cost of living. That is a hidden tax on the crafting system now.
this is one of the reasons that I stated that I felt this section need to "cook" a little more. I've mentioned this in another video but there are still parts of the past PHB that are still relevant, for example, it mentions that while crafting you can assume to spend up to 1 gp a day for lodging, food, etc. This 2024 one says nothing at all about that.
I do wonder is the lowest you can break something into 8hr? Because what if i want to craft a scroll after or before a long rest and only want to give it an hours work???
yeah, I'm not terribly a fan of how crafting works. I'll likely revert back to how we've done it for years: want to make a scroll? You'll need to know the spell and have some parchment and a writing implement. However long it would take to cast it, it takes 4 times as long to write it down. Once done, that spell is spent from your spell slot. This means that a spell that would take 1 minute to cast takes about 4 minutes to write down. 'course, to regain the spell would require rest.. so.. BUT it's something you can do in down time as well.
Do magic items have different crafting rules, or do they follow the same rules as nonmagical items? Sorry, I had to watch with the sound off and following RUclips subtitles so i may have missed it if you covered this
you didn't miss magic item crafting :)
It's not in the player's handbook, it's going to be shown in the DMG when it comes out.
I like how they changed it where it only costs you half price to make items it never made sense to me that you had to pay full price to make the item you want
exactly, because there is also a time investment as well, which in my opinion makes up the other half of the "cost".
To be fair, if you have the crafter origin feat, buying nonmagical items (such as crafting ingredients) costs 20% less. So youd only need to spend 40% of the total cost of the item, giving you a 60% markup if you're an artisan or took the feat.
I'm curious about how the finished form of Bastions shook out.
with regard to crafting systems- I'm a little disappointed. As a real life crafter, and somebody who has character concepts like the half orc arcane trickster with a desire to collect broken things use mend and improve the quality of thrown away items, running a side business as a traveling merchant, which opens doors for parties and adds legitimacy to travel and transaction. Or a ranger using foraged materials to make arrows, bow string, slings etc to trade in towns for metal parts for making daggers and hafting spear heads. I'd have liked to see a bit more robust crafting systems, that are more realistic timewise. It should be possible to replace all the arrows lost in a day, with foraged materials during the rest stops and watch at night. Equipping everybody with sling, darts, staves, javelins, etc often, and even selling surplus for trade doesn't break the game, not many players will give up adventuring to do the traveling merchant/crafter life.
I've not found anything in this book regarding Bastions, I assume that it will be listed in the DMG when it comes out.
this explains how to make mundane items, but what about magic items?
Magic item crafting is in the DMG, when I get it, I'll cover that.
Not much has changed, but wow is the economy a mess. Potion of healing = 1 day of crafting, 25gp of profit/savings. Plate armour = 150 days of crafting, 750gp profit/savings, ie, 5 gp a day. I suspect there are numerous items that are just not worth crafting based on the cost savings, notably when compared with something else you could craft.
yeah, I'm gonna wait until we see what the magic item crafting is in the DMG.... I'll likely craft up my own crafting rules (which will likely not be much different than what I already use).
@@gamemasters it might be a cool video to see the economy of various items. It looks like all armor is 5gp saved per day, I wonder if other equipment or item categories are different. Anyway great video thanks for making it!
An idea has been floating around that involves thief rogues using spell scrolls of true strike on their bonus actions. Consuming the material component to craft the scroll makes this so janky!
The spell reads, if my source is right: "you make one attack with the weapon used in the Spell's casting".
Could I use this to make longbow attacks despite not having two free hands or proficiency, if the crafter is proficient and wants to consume a longbow for every scroll? Wild.
(common sense would suggest that only COSTLY components should be consumed in the crafting, and that the scroll's user would still need to provide their own material component, the weapon, in this one particular case. But both of these are contrary to the rules as written.)
I get what you are say, this is how I would handle it at my table...
A longbow is a two handed heavy martial ranged weapon. True Strike requires the weapon be of at least 1 copper in worth (a long bow is since it is worth about 50gold), but.. one must also be proficient in it to use true strike. True Strike is available to bards, sorcerers, warlocks, and wizards and they can only be proficient in simple weapons. A longbow is not a simple weapon, therefore they could not scribe trues strike for a long bow.
Now, let's assume you wanted to still go for a ranged weapon, that is also simple that those classes _could_ be proficient in, you'd be able to use a dagger, handaxe, javelin, light hammer, or a spear. We'll go with Javelin just to make it as silly as we can, because.. like.. a javelin could easily be as tall as a longbow.. plus it also qualifies since it's worth 5 silver. As the scribe to scroll reads, it would indeed consume the javelin, but I don't know too many casters that are going to go with being proficient with a javelin.. I mean.. if they wanted to just so that they could scribe true strike.. okay.. sure? But at a certain point, it's going to become a detriment to the class. Make it a daggr instead and I can see that making sense. BUT.. let's face it.. a good amount of the time players don't do things because it makes sense hahahaha
daggers or darts make the most sense of course, just silly overall though.
Your intro cracked me up. Nice nod to the controversial art piece.
heh I was wondering if anyone would notice it.. I considered braiding my beard but...
I understand the need for simplicity, but I was disappointed in the new rules. Its not that I need more rules for actual crafting. I want ingredients for my table to quest for.
that's part of what I was referring to when I talk about wanting to see this portion expanded. I'm fine homebrewing but having something to base it off of would be better. That all said, however, I'd be curious to know how many tables actually do crafting on a session to session basis. I mean.. we've had a few adventures where the players will roll out and seek out some raw materials and perhaps have a random encounter or two, and then in game craft stuff, but aside from that (which doesn't happen all that often) they just don't craft things.
What I DO use, however, if a basic time table for when they hire someone (a blacksmith for example) so that they know roughly when the item will be completed.
@gamemasters I also tend to have craftsmen do most of the actual crafting. It's getting the ingredients and having an actual recipe I'd like. Even, at minimum, I would like for a section in the DMG that includes every item that can be crafted after harvesting from a MM monster, like aboleth mucus, or a beholder stomach for bags of holding.
I want exploration generation, give my herbalist 20-100 plants per region that can be used in potion brewing, and give my barbarian a list of tusks and horns that can imbue magto thier weapon.
I don't actually think specific rules on how to craft things are so important as knowing what things my players could use in crafting. The way they talked about it, I guess I was too hopeful that they'd expand it to more than just spending money on materials.
So now I'm going through Ad&d and BG3 crafting to pick and choose what I want for now, I guess.
Not much of an improvement, still a crafting system for items that already exist that is just a time and gold sink.
I was hoping for some framework for custom items, rituals and materials that affect its capabilities, ranging from mundane items like plate and a sword, then what if you made it of mithral? what kind of runes or gemstones do you need to implant in it to hold a once per day evocation spell vs an abjuration spell? What if I wanted to make an intelligent item - what would I need to do, to sacrifice?
... well, maybe one day. Perhaps when another book with an updated Artificer comes out.
yeah, I'd like a better framework as well. I mean.. it wouldn't be terribly difficult to make a homebrew framework for how crafting items could happen, but if this is ultimately aimed at new players, I can see where that could easily be a question asked.
So they basically gathered all the homebrew crafting systems that the community wrote and made them worse lol. I'll keep using my homebrew crafting system 😅😂
@@bernaspah every edition of the game stemmed from homebrew. Every single one. That said, I guarantee that if folks were to sit at my table and play, they'd never recognize it as "d&d" haha because, yes, I homebrew the hell out of it, even beyond what has been provided.
@@gamemasters you mean the crafting part of the game itself? I'm not a "dnd-head" so, I'm actually asking ahah.
In terms of the crafting part, they just can't seem to get it right without it being boring, un-intuitive - basically, no one wants to do it and be presented to the hassle that crafting in dnd is.
Also, thank you for your answer :)
So most of the time just use fabricate?
fabricate is only available to the artificer and wizard. If I'm a bard, rogue, barbarian, fighter, cleric, etc, I won't be able to cast it. :(
@@gamemasters good point but will an average craftsman be able to compete with a local wizard fabricating? I think from a world building perspective it's kind of silly that someone would take 150 days to make something a wizard can whip together in ten minutes. I still love the changes and enjoy having the crafting options especially with the new discount cutting it in half.
For me crafting is as as bad as before just made faster, and making money is always way faster then spending time crafting it.
yeah, we rarely used crafting rules. I kindav just did what made sense. You want to craft a dozen or so arrows? Okay, you'd need some flint and some sticks, spend some down time and it's done. I don't think I'll have my table get into this micro-manage system of crafting. It's neat, and it gives me some ideas, but ultimately, I don't like the micro of it.
New Crafting rules are great. Not only giving the players some basics that they ar eentitled to, but also keeping powerful options under the DMs contorl, THAts a nice balanbce. The New rules ar esimple but thats the beauty of it. There will be 3rd party rules ocming that build off of this, ONe for my table, one for someone elses table, and another for asomeone elses table, and NOOONE is locked into a crafting system that doesnt work at their table. becuz EVERY table is different.
agreed, every table is different and I think that's one of the things that I appreciate about d&d's approach outside of adventures, it is open enough to allow DMs to craft up whatever they want (not in terms of item crafting but in regards to world building). Given... some would prefer to not have to develop as much (I have certainly seen my fair share of comments "why do I have to do their jobs for them??!") and I will admit that I would love to see more lore driven books released.. but.. I'm still happy with being able to create my own home brew worlds.