Had my A1ii for a week. The A9iii has the better features but there's no going back to lower resolution. The high res with high quality + pre-capture is going to be way more useful ultimately.
Sony keeps releasing cameras back to back-this one isn’t even three months old-and people are already asking for more? Sony must feel blessed with all these GAS-fueled fanboys!
@@kingcutttt AFAIK, I don't "need more cameras" and am definitely not a "GAS filled fanboy". You should review what you were taught in school about text comprehension. 😉
Sensor development and manufacturing are expensive ventures, there’s a reason why most of them don’t make their own. Besides Sony, only Canon makes their own.
Sony made this choice tough. If I had to pick one, it would be the A1ii. My daily camera for the past 7 years has been the A7Riii which I love but it’s starting to feel outdated and slow. The global shutter on the a9iii would be amazing, but the a1ii would be the better overall upgrade imo.
I had an opportunity this week to upgrade my a1 to the II but figured I could wait another year for the upgraded features. Love the a9III when I’m in weird lighting conditions
For flash/strobe photography with Electronic Shutter, the OG A1 does have the same 1/200s @ 50MPand 1/250s APS-C @ 21MP full flash sync speed. With the mechanical shutter it is: 1/400s @ 50MP and 1/500s APS-C @ 21MP full flash sync speed just like the new A1 II. Both can go up to 1/8,000s HSS and fully supported on Sony and/or most of the 3rd party wired/wireless flash and strobes.
Bro... I mean Fro! what's with the quality of your videos??? The Sony shot of the A9III shows it: 1/80.000 ONLY when you use f1.8+, the moment you start use something like f1.4 you can "only" shoot 1/16.000. Something worth mentioning (in word) when comparing them. Also: Anti-flicker. How does it work with this beautiful new pre-capture function? It doesn't for the A1II. For the A9III... it's kind of "always on" ;-) For people using pre-capture mainly for animal shooting it probably won't matter. For those who use it for indoors fast action sport or events... that's something to think about.
The solution imo is both since either has pros and cons depending on what you are shooting. And if you are off on a big pre-planned trip or event of course you want/need/should to bring a backup body. Thus if you have both, they are both good enough to be a backup body to the other. And if both are working, then you've got a choice of capabilities to best match your shooting situation. I picked up an a9iii to supplement my A1 for certain types of wildlife situations where the pre-capture is a key feature. I liked the AI AF chip capabilities so much I grabbed an A7rV which than became my goto for birds buried in branches (while being pretty sucky at BIF where the A1 remained my goto). The A1 would get lost in the branch/bird AF problem while the A9iii and A7rV have no problem. Thus, my plan here was always to morph my A7rV and A1 to the single A1ii body. Then the A9iii and A1ii backup each other on important trips, whlie options remain for which to grab. If, on the other hand, budget constrains to one body, then the A1ii gives the best overall balance of features imo. You've still got the key pre-capture function and you've got the resolution for landscapes, architectual shooting, astro-photography, etc. And if budget really constrains, check out your local camera retailer. Mine just got my A1 on trade a couple of days ahead of my planned A1ii pickup on Friday. My A1 now makes the 15th A1 they now have in stock ready to sell on their used side. That prior A1 is an awesome camera. As so many peeps are upgrading to the A1ii a prior great condition A1 is going to be a great value right now if someone is looking for a really great stacked sensor hi-rez camera. And if the used A1 is like mine was, I only used electronic shutter.
@ both are fine in lowlight despite what you hear about the dynamic range hit of the global shutter, but I have less issues with banding with the a9 III
I'm currently shooting wildlife with an R3, and while I appreciate the significance of a global shutter coming to market in a production camera, of the two, the A1 II is the far more appealing upgrade. The A9 III doesn't beat the R3 in image quality, I rarely shoot under artificial light, and I rarely feel limited by 30fps. Keeping the 30fps with an even faster sensor readout, higher image quality, and the best implementation of pre-capture so far is very appealing. The one thing I dont know for certain yet is how the subject detection will perform relative to the R3 and other Canon bodies, looking forward to seeing that covered.
Thank for making this video as both has their advantages. I am waiting patiently and hoping that with the amount of ROI Sony gets back from selling these two camera bodies, the A1 III would be able to do everything plus more than the A1 II with a new Global Shutter sensor (Would 100% buy TWO if A1 II does have the Global Shutter sensor with base ISO 100 !!!). Until then, staying with A1 an hoping to pickup a second new/used one for a good price before the A1 III shows up. I sold my new A7R V for the A1 for my silent event shooting needs and even without turning on the "Anti-Flickr" mode with the Electronic Shutter (ES) I haven't had any flicker showing up in any of my ES images so far up to 1/2000s with indoor hockey, roller derby, soccer games. This "Zero Mechanical Shutter Count" feature is far more important to me when shooting slow events with 1/200s (1/250s APS-C) ES flash sync capability or thousands of images per sports event than the A.I. C-AF that needs to be turned off most of the time when shooting sports (like many A1 II owner already discovered & mentioned as well) or the Multi-Angle LCD screen that most stay closed for my shooting style (could use it 3 times so far since switching to A1 ;however, connecting to a smartphone solves the problem for real estate shoots which allow the shooter stay out of the room completely which is even better!). Only thing I think would be nice to have on the OG A1 would be the pre-capture; however, I have learned to always start shooting up to one second early (sharpening the Spidey senses or loss it to pre-capture!?) and delete the extra files later since it's much cheaper to buy two 800MB/700MB R/W 3rd party 1TB CF-A cards and 4TB SSD storage drive than buying a A1 II with only one feature I really need (not about WANTS!). Thanks again for making this very helpful comparison video. Look forward for more videos on real life sporting game/wild life shootout between A1 & A1 II in keeper percentage differences.
Nice comparison. I’ve had the A9 III and the A7RV since May and love both systems! The A9 III is a beast when it comes to speed and AF and it’s been so much fun to shoot action. I personally find the IQ excellent and have not really missed the resolution that much. When I do feel the need to crop I just switch to my A7RV and that system gives me the mps I need for deeper crops. As far as the A1 II I have an inclination to want to add one to my arsenal but I may think on it a bit more. Sony with its introduction of a global shutter has really set the bar high!
Sony A9iii for extreme action, in my case insects in flight and birds in fast action, all needing to be quite close to the camera. Everything else it's the Sony A1 ii all the way. I have the A9iii and have obtained previously impossible action images. I've ordered the A1 ii and hope to have it in January 2025. I will keep my A1 also and will not sell it.
Both seem to be great options depending on your needs. Sony seems to have finally sorted out their body ergonomics. I don’t think the a9iii is a practical option in a single body kit but I imagine anybody who needs the features of the a9iii is probably running multiple bodies. Personally, I’m not convinced that GS is the future but I guess we’ll see.
Great video Jared. A1 II no hesitation. I don't see the use of shooting faster then 30FPS, 30FPS is plenty fast. 120FPS is just gonna give you too many files and run out your buffer. ISO250 is also problematic for when you need to shoot slow shutter speeds, think of panning shots of motorcycle racing or an aeroplane with propellers. Over 1/200 is going to freeze the propellers.
That’s not the same as the sensor shield from Nikon. It’s still easily damaged. But more so, the issue is, it’s to slow to keep on when changing lenses. It’s not instant down like Nikon. There’s a delay.
@@froknowsphoto oh for sure but it is literally the same system in the a1 ii to "protect the sensor" so to say it doesn't have one for that feature is false. I own both cameras and use that feature on my a9iii all the time. Also I didn't bring up the sensor shield, just responding to that one point you made about it not having a shutter to "protect" the sensor that at the 9:35 mark. It really comes down to the wording you use. Saying it does not have a mechanical shutter at all means there's nothing in the camera body.
I certainly don't have the money to upgrade to either of these cameras, but I am so intrigued but how advanced and feature-packed these models are. What more could you want?
A9III is the one to get for me. With global shutter rolling shutter is obsolete. The A1 and the A1 II are now the jack of all trades. Not better than the A7RV for resolution or dynamic range and certainly not better than the A9III for speed without compromise. With the release of the A9III, I really have no interest in rolling shutter sensors. Definitely interested in pairing my A7RV with the A9III when I have the funds. For video none of the Sony cameras can record internal pro res, no vectorscope or other video tools. The 4K in both the A9III and the A1 Mark II are subsampled. For a proper hybrid I would get a Fujifilm X-H2S with its open gate recording and internal pro res recording capabilities. So, that’s my hybrid camera.
Regarding the pre capture function for both cameras, it does produces the significant difference for a real bird photographer. A9 III can generate 4 times of images in the peak moment than A1II at the same time, so you’ll find they actually become a true video in more much smooth way in GIF format
I've had the A1ii for a week now after trading in my A1. Fantastic upgrade and I never had issues with rolling shutter or flicker with the mk 1 so not expecting to with this camera. if you can live with the the reduced mp count and DR then the A9iii is an obvious choice but the A1ii is the ultimate all rounder
Listed sensor readout speeds compared : I just asked IA to list those following cameras (I hope these are correct) : Camera - Sensor Readout Speed Sony A7 IV - 66.5 ms Sony A7R III - 60 ms Sony A7R V - 99.3 ms Sony A1 II - 3.8 ms Canon R5 II - 16.3 ms Canon R6 II - 14.5-17ms *? Nikon Z9 - 6 ms Nikon Z8 - 25 ms * following an interesting reply I added this one but won't others. There must be reliable full lists on the web. I 'only' wanted to remind pointing out an objectively comparable value among choices...
I was literally just debating this now with a group of friends. Sports photography requires two cameras, i have one. Should I go for one of these, or a 300mm since I the only tele I have is a 70-200? Should I buy one of these and use a 24-70 on the other body?
Hi Jared, really enjoy your channel. I have been a faithful Nikon shooter for the past 40yrs and am still shooting film and DSLR. I would like to make the switch to mirrorless mostly bc all of the advancement in focus and subject tracking has happened in mirrorless cameras. I have been saddened and frustrated by Nikons lag in recent years to bring forth a meaningful offering until the latest Z9 and Z8 cameras. I had been contemplating switching to one of these Sony cameras especially bc the global shutter is technology that would help with outdoor fashion photography. That said I can’t help but hope Nikon, esp since purchasing Red, may be on a rebound and would release a comparable camera with a global shutter and similar focus abilities. As is most things in life, trends tend to be cyclical so Nikons once reign in the pro market may return and I would prefer to stay in that ecosystem if possible. This could just be naive wishful thinking I realize. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you
How about battery life? I’ve had the A9III for a few months now. For some reason I feel the battery life is behind other Sony cameras. Is the A1 MKII better than the A9III in battery life?
Switched from Sony A7rv and a9ii to nikon Z8 and Z9. couldn't justify spending $6500 on new tech. Seems like both new sony's are great, but got what fot my needs. And nikon glass and the colors are something I've missed. Great reviews Jared!
I am in the market for an A1 mark 2, I am looking for a camera which works well in dark situations. My A7 mark 3 works well but outdated camera lay out, my A7RV often does not do well in low light AF. My colleague had the same issue and switched to A1 and problem was solved. I allready use prime lenses, it's just when It is so dark AF (with the a7RV) sometimes is not the best certainly not as good as canon R5. My hope is there will come an A7SV but many people think this will not be the case. My question for you do you know how the A1 mark 2 handles with AF in dark situations?
I'm in Canada, hoping to get my a1ii this weekend or beginning of next week. I think down the road I'll sell my a6700 and get the a9iii specifically for video work. I just love to have that cropping option with wild life, so going back to a 24mp sensor for my main camera wont cut it. Both are incredible though.
Would still face the problem of flicker from cheap lights with GS though, especially when doing slowmo. You wouldn’t face banding but flickering would still be present.
As it stands, I cannot decide which of these two would make a better next camera for me. I have an A7RV, which has me leaning A9, as I already have high MP covered. I primarily shoot wildlife and sports photography. The A7RV was arguably a bad choice. It's frustratingly slow
I'm too poor for either of these, but unless you only shoot high speed sports, the A1ii seems like the far better better because it's great at everything. Can't wait to buy an A1 when they hit $3000 CAD in a few years
For me, a7r3a for time lapse, a9mk3 for sport/wildlife, a7v or MF for high MP if needed. A1mk2 for me is like an minor upgrade on A1mk1, not much of an upgrade or new type of design/improvement.
To me it feels like we have peaked in mirrorless, I mean what else can be done at this point, from now on just AI software improvements. But this is not necessarily a bad thing as now its more than ever behind the camera, since these cameras are so capable.
Well that's pretty much the way it works with everything, it feels like everything has already been done until someone comes up with something that has not been done before.
I lowkey wish Sony would make something that was basically all the advancements of these two cameras but using the a9ii’s stacked 24MP sensor (or a newer stacked BSI 26MP sensor or something) at a lower price. That would be more practical for me tbh.
I would agree to a point as it also depending on the lens choice. When shooting indoor sports like hockey, roller derby, soccer games... I actually prefer A1 with Sony GM (and now testing together with Veltrox LAB) 135mm f/1.8 prime while either using APS-C mode or post cropping to get MUCH cleaner 1600-2000 ISO shooting at f/1.8 or using higher shutter speed to freeze the moment to still get much sharper & cleaner images all the way to the corner of a prime lens than with the Sony GM II 70-200mm f/2.8 zoom at 3200-5000 with higher ISO & less sharpness. All depending on the combination of body and lens.
@@WolfRidesBikesWRB like Jeo said.. it really depends on what sports.. I shoot pro and NCAA sports with the a1 and there are few things above 30fps where I really need higher fps, and even with some things 20fps is more than enough.. the a9 III does give you the opportunity to pick exactly what frame you want (ie water droplets, balloons bursting, etc and of course no rolling shutter) Cheers friends!
Neither... I have the A7R5 so I'm good for resolution.... I have the original A1 so I'm good for speed.... and too damn old to worry about the additional features......
Not one single reviewer talks about moire, which I find a big problem on my Sony A1. Especially when shooting presenters against large LED screens / walls.
The Nikon Z9/ Z8 combo is unbeatable for the price. + you don't need to use Sony or Cannon lenses... that's a big deal. I'm sorry you hate that combo but it's the best deal out there.
good i have them both now.. but had the a1 ii come out before a9iii i would not have gotten the a9iii. So sorry sport to diss them out in this order.. u prolly will see a bunch of a9iii on sale to get a1 ii. i still think a1 the orginall got a better hit rate on images then a9iii but maybe the a9iii just take alot more fine tuning over the a1.. the a9iii brought a bunch renamed or added AF stuff in menu that u got to fine too or figure out what it does.. that a9iii will definite focus so fast that it will jump on the subject u mean to focus on to something else more then the a1 does
Well, they now make mirrorless cameras like SONY showed them - with similar features like eye AF, tracking, IBIS etc. But it's a more expensive path with less options for lenses.
The A9III is very cool tech, but I think my favorite thing is all the photo influencers who overreacted and said it was the greatest camera ever now walking back their statements.
The global sensor tech is more meaningful for video anyway. Until the DR and cost goes down to where it’s far more common to see in most cameras, global shutter is not that big of a deal. Imagine if the Sony a1 ii was the same in every way but was a global sensor and cost $3000.
Let's put it out there . . . ISO ratings / numbers are MEANINGLESS! Nobody is shooting at 102000 ISO and happy about the images. NOBODY. On NO camera. Nowhere. They should stop with the ISO numbers already. It's like turning the amp up to 11. Stupid.
Canon R5 :) I have already made my choice of platform. And now it will be very painful to get off it. Maybe I will upgrade to R5 Mark 2. Or maybe not. Maybe I will wait for the next generation. Not an obvious upgrade. The dynamic range is worse for mechanics. Full pixel shift was cut out.
The human eye still resolves only 6 megapixels under museum/gallery conditions (comfortable viewing distance = picture's diagonal). That's probably why 24MP may be enough forever for the majority of use cases (no massive cropping needed) (e.g. no wildly erratically moving main subjects) (or, opportunities don't disappear quicker than one could change lenses)
@@tubularificationed My clients can sure tell the difference between 26 megapixels and 60 megapixels, especially when they're standing in a print shop.
if that photographers wants the a9iii and a1-ii combo, let them spend their money and get it. Who cares what cameras people get these days now. Sony led the way for Mirrorless camera to where it is now and now that Canon and Nikon finally caught up, its a matter of preferences
Neither ..Sony produce over sharped with sh..t colours...No thanks. Sorry for speaking the Truth. I'd buy R5ii Nikon z8 or GFX 100s ii over Any sony camera.
Had my A1ii for a week. The A9iii has the better features but there's no going back to lower resolution. The high res with high quality + pre-capture is going to be way more useful ultimately.
i agree for most peoples shooting needs.
Does -pre-capture on A1ii also work in video modes? Aff frame rates ? 8K also ? S&Q also ?
@@fotosurf_pt Pre-capture is a photo only function.
especially for shooting telephoto this is a no brainer. you can crop even more
I have A1II (got it this week) , A9III, and A7RV and love all the things they each do best for different needs. Cheers
U rich
why have the a7rV when the a1ii offers a similar resolution?
@@johannvantassel4604 good question. The a7rV has a slightly higher dynamic range at base ISO, but only by 1/3rd EV.
Thanks for sharing your insights, Gerald!
Nice. Why country are you in?
Imagine only one Sony camera with the qualities of these 2 but with a pixel count somewhere in the middle. That would be awesome.
Sony keeps releasing cameras back to back-this one isn’t even three months old-and people are already asking for more? Sony must feel blessed with all these GAS-fueled fanboys!
@@kingcutttt AFAIK, I don't "need more cameras" and am definitely not a "GAS filled fanboy". You should review what you were taught in school about text comprehension. 😉
or a Canon that had these.... even better! jk jk I really "Lecia" lot of brands.
Sensor development and manufacturing are expensive ventures, there’s a reason why most of them don’t make their own. Besides Sony, only Canon makes their own.
@@kingcutttt /r/sonyalpha is a clown show at any given moment compared to /r/analog
Sony made this choice tough. If I had to pick one, it would be the A1ii. My daily camera for the past 7 years has been the A7Riii which I love but it’s starting to feel outdated and slow. The global shutter on the a9iii would be amazing, but the a1ii would be the better overall upgrade imo.
While not a global shutter, the stacked sensor in the A1 cameras is still quite impressive!
I had an opportunity this week to upgrade my a1 to the II but figured I could wait another year for the upgraded features. Love the a9III when I’m in weird lighting conditions
For most use cases, the A1 would cover it, A9iii is basically for the niche case where even the A1,Z9, R1 isn’t fast enough
As a wedding photographer I would want both. A1 ii during the day and A9 iii at nights with flash and less megapixels
Fewer.
@@riparianlife97701 Fewer is not less?
@@mikey0728 it's more. (grammatically correct that is) ^.^
@mikey0728 But the A9III has an awful base ISO and you still sometimes need to raise your ISO with flash.
For flash/strobe photography with Electronic Shutter, the OG A1 does have the same 1/200s @ 50MPand 1/250s APS-C @ 21MP full flash sync speed. With the mechanical shutter it is: 1/400s @ 50MP and 1/500s APS-C @ 21MP full flash sync speed just like the new A1 II. Both can go up to 1/8,000s HSS and fully supported on Sony and/or most of the 3rd party wired/wireless flash and strobes.
I'll have my a1ii in a few days
Great review! Bought the a9iii shortly after launch and still love it. Feel zero need for the a1ii
Same here, if anything I was dissapointed with the A1 II. I expected more but good thing the price stayed the same.
Bro... I mean Fro! what's with the quality of your videos??? The Sony shot of the A9III shows it: 1/80.000 ONLY when you use f1.8+, the moment you start use something like f1.4 you can "only" shoot 1/16.000. Something worth mentioning (in word) when comparing them. Also: Anti-flicker. How does it work with this beautiful new pre-capture function? It doesn't for the A1II. For the A9III... it's kind of "always on" ;-) For people using pre-capture mainly for animal shooting it probably won't matter. For those who use it for indoors fast action sport or events... that's something to think about.
aayyyyy welcome back!
The solution imo is both since either has pros and cons depending on what you are shooting. And if you are off on a big pre-planned trip or event of course you want/need/should to bring a backup body. Thus if you have both, they are both good enough to be a backup body to the other. And if both are working, then you've got a choice of capabilities to best match your shooting situation.
I picked up an a9iii to supplement my A1 for certain types of wildlife situations where the pre-capture is a key feature. I liked the AI AF chip capabilities so much I grabbed an A7rV which than became my goto for birds buried in branches (while being pretty sucky at BIF where the A1 remained my goto). The A1 would get lost in the branch/bird AF problem while the A9iii and A7rV have no problem. Thus, my plan here was always to morph my A7rV and A1 to the single A1ii body. Then the A9iii and A1ii backup each other on important trips, whlie options remain for which to grab.
If, on the other hand, budget constrains to one body, then the A1ii gives the best overall balance of features imo. You've still got the key pre-capture function and you've got the resolution for landscapes, architectual shooting, astro-photography, etc.
And if budget really constrains, check out your local camera retailer. Mine just got my A1 on trade a couple of days ahead of my planned A1ii pickup on Friday. My A1 now makes the 15th A1 they now have in stock ready to sell on their used side. That prior A1 is an awesome camera. As so many peeps are upgrading to the A1ii a prior great condition A1 is going to be a great value right now if someone is looking for a really great stacked sensor hi-rez camera. And if the used A1 is like mine was, I only used electronic shutter.
I do a lot of concert photography and video. I'm leaning towards A93
I made it easy.. I bought both.. each has its strengths for whichever shoot I’m on from real estate to NCAA football, low light concerts and events
Which one you ise for low light concerts? I guess the 9III?
@ both are fine in lowlight despite what you hear about the dynamic range hit of the global shutter, but I have less issues with banding with the a9 III
15:38 I can't quite understand (and agree with) the way and choice of incomplete listing. How did this come about ??
As a day 1 a1 user I am currently looking into an a9iii. I have loved everything the a1 has offered, but the global shutter is calling me.
I'm currently shooting wildlife with an R3, and while I appreciate the significance of a global shutter coming to market in a production camera, of the two, the A1 II is the far more appealing upgrade. The A9 III doesn't beat the R3 in image quality, I rarely shoot under artificial light, and I rarely feel limited by 30fps. Keeping the 30fps with an even faster sensor readout, higher image quality, and the best implementation of pre-capture so far is very appealing. The one thing I dont know for certain yet is how the subject detection will perform relative to the R3 and other Canon bodies, looking forward to seeing that covered.
Thank for making this video as both has their advantages. I am waiting patiently and hoping that with the amount of ROI Sony gets back from selling these two camera bodies, the A1 III would be able to do everything plus more than the A1 II with a new Global Shutter sensor (Would 100% buy TWO if A1 II does have the Global Shutter sensor with base ISO 100 !!!). Until then, staying with A1 an hoping to pickup a second new/used one for a good price before the A1 III shows up.
I sold my new A7R V for the A1 for my silent event shooting needs and even without turning on the "Anti-Flickr" mode with the Electronic Shutter (ES) I haven't had any flicker showing up in any of my ES images so far up to 1/2000s with indoor hockey, roller derby, soccer games. This "Zero Mechanical Shutter Count" feature is far more important to me when shooting slow events with 1/200s (1/250s APS-C) ES flash sync capability or thousands of images per sports event than the A.I. C-AF that needs to be turned off most of the time when shooting sports (like many A1 II owner already discovered & mentioned as well) or the Multi-Angle LCD screen that most stay closed for my shooting style (could use it 3 times so far since switching to A1 ;however, connecting to a smartphone solves the problem for real estate shoots which allow the shooter stay out of the room completely which is even better!). Only thing I think would be nice to have on the OG A1 would be the pre-capture; however, I have learned to always start shooting up to one second early (sharpening the Spidey senses or loss it to pre-capture!?) and delete the extra files later since it's much cheaper to buy two 800MB/700MB R/W 3rd party 1TB CF-A cards and 4TB SSD storage drive than buying a A1 II with only one feature I really need (not about WANTS!).
Thanks again for making this very helpful comparison video. Look forward for more videos on real life sporting game/wild life shootout between A1 & A1 II in keeper percentage differences.
Nice comparison. I’ve had the A9 III and the A7RV since May and love both systems! The A9 III is a beast when it comes to speed and AF and it’s been so much fun to shoot action. I personally find the IQ excellent and have not really missed the resolution that much. When I do feel the need to crop I just switch to my A7RV and that system gives me the mps I need for deeper crops. As far as the A1 II I have an inclination to want to add one to my arsenal but I may think on it a bit more. Sony with its introduction of a global shutter has really set the bar high!
Sony A9iii for extreme action, in my case insects in flight and birds in fast action, all needing to be quite close to the camera. Everything else it's the Sony A1 ii all the way. I have the A9iii and have obtained previously impossible action images. I've ordered the A1 ii and hope to have it in January 2025. I will keep my A1 also and will not sell it.
Welcome back. Thought I would have met you in kenya but ops.
My favourite Camera reviewer. Greetings From Kenya
Love your videos. Not sure is I really can justify buying either but it's nice to dream.
And thank you for wearing the Morgen Dovid. Be Proud!
Both seem to be great options depending on your needs. Sony seems to have finally sorted out their body ergonomics. I don’t think the a9iii is a practical option in a single body kit but I imagine anybody who needs the features of the a9iii is probably running multiple bodies. Personally, I’m not convinced that GS is the future but I guess we’ll see.
Great video Jared. A1 II no hesitation. I don't see the use of shooting faster then 30FPS, 30FPS is plenty fast. 120FPS is just gonna give you too many files and run out your buffer. ISO250 is also problematic for when you need to shoot slow shutter speeds, think of panning shots of motorcycle racing or an aeroplane with propellers. Over 1/200 is going to freeze the propellers.
the a9iii does have a mechanical shutter, you can lower it to protect the camera sensor it just isn't usable when you're taking photos.
That’s not the same as the sensor shield from Nikon. It’s still easily damaged. But more so, the issue is, it’s to slow to keep on when changing lenses. It’s not instant down like Nikon. There’s a delay.
@@froknowsphoto oh for sure but it is literally the same system in the a1 ii to "protect the sensor" so to say it doesn't have one for that feature is false. I own both cameras and use that feature on my a9iii all the time. Also I didn't bring up the sensor shield, just responding to that one point you made about it not having a shutter to "protect" the sensor that at the 9:35 mark. It really comes down to the wording you use. Saying it does not have a mechanical shutter at all means there's nothing in the camera body.
@@yusei151 right, it has a "shutter" to "protect" and shutters are not durable like that.
I certainly don't have the money to upgrade to either of these cameras, but I am so intrigued but how advanced and feature-packed these models are. What more could you want?
I'd pick up the A9iii, for the speed, the lack of banding, and the abilities it has with flash syncing as well.
A9III is the one to get for me. With global shutter rolling shutter is obsolete.
The A1 and the A1 II are now the jack of all trades. Not better than the A7RV for resolution or dynamic range and certainly not better than the A9III for speed without compromise.
With the release of the A9III, I really have no interest in rolling shutter sensors.
Definitely interested in pairing my A7RV with the A9III when I have the funds.
For video none of the Sony cameras can record internal pro res, no vectorscope or other video tools. The 4K in both the A9III and the A1 Mark II are subsampled.
For a proper hybrid I would get a Fujifilm X-H2S with its open gate recording and internal pro res recording capabilities.
So, that’s my hybrid camera.
Regarding the pre capture function for both cameras, it does produces the significant difference for a real bird photographer. A9 III can generate 4 times of images in the peak moment than A1II at the same time, so you’ll find they actually become a true video in more much smooth way in GIF format
I've had the A1ii for a week now after trading in my A1. Fantastic upgrade and I never had issues with rolling shutter or flicker with the mk 1 so not expecting to with this camera. if you can live with the the reduced mp count and DR then the A9iii is an obvious choice but the A1ii is the ultimate all rounder
Which would look better when printing out large photos.
depending on the how large the print is and the distance of viewing. 24 x 16 @ 6ft would be the same.
you wont be able to tell the differencr
Short answer. A9 III
Listed sensor readout speeds compared :
I just asked IA to list those following cameras
(I hope these are correct) :
Camera - Sensor Readout Speed
Sony A7 IV - 66.5 ms
Sony A7R III - 60 ms
Sony A7R V - 99.3 ms
Sony A1 II - 3.8 ms
Canon R5 II - 16.3 ms
Canon R6 II - 14.5-17ms *?
Nikon Z9 - 6 ms
Nikon Z8 - 25 ms
* following an interesting reply I added this one but won't others. There must be reliable full lists on the web. I 'only' wanted to remind pointing out an objectively comparable value among choices...
What's amazing is the R6MKII which is 17ms for a non stacked sensor . Sony needs to get close to this for the A7V
@nickwilliams7867 Indeed that is an interesting reflection !
* so I added this into my original post :-)
I was literally just debating this now with a group of friends. Sports photography requires two cameras, i have one. Should I go for one of these, or a 300mm since I the only tele I have is a 70-200?
Should I buy one of these and use a 24-70 on the other body?
Lenses over bodies.
Even the A7IV would do the job, the lenses would be a better investment
Answer: Both! What's 13 grand anyways?
Hi Jared, really enjoy your channel. I have been a faithful Nikon shooter for the past 40yrs and am still shooting film and DSLR. I would like to make the switch to mirrorless mostly bc all of the advancement in focus and subject tracking has happened in mirrorless cameras. I have been saddened and frustrated by Nikons lag in recent years to bring forth a meaningful offering until the latest Z9 and Z8 cameras. I had been contemplating switching to one of these Sony cameras especially bc the global shutter is technology that would help with outdoor fashion photography. That said I can’t help but hope Nikon, esp since purchasing Red, may be on a rebound and would release a comparable camera with a global shutter and similar focus abilities. As is most things in life, trends tend to be cyclical so Nikons once reign in the pro market may return and I would prefer to stay in that ecosystem if possible. This could just be naive wishful thinking I realize. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thank you
How about battery life? I’ve had the A9III for a few months now. For some reason I feel the battery life is behind other Sony cameras.
Is the A1 MKII better than the A9III in battery life?
Switched from Sony A7rv and a9ii to nikon Z8 and Z9. couldn't justify spending $6500 on new tech. Seems like both new sony's are great, but got what fot my needs. And nikon glass and the colors are something I've missed. Great reviews Jared!
How many gen cameras till we get a global shutter in a1 or a7r?
I think that if you need any of these, you won't be watching a video on which you need, you'll know it 😅Joking aside, great video!
Do a1 II have AA filter?
No
Why do you compare Sony A9iii with Canon R3 in samples?
I am in the market for an A1 mark 2, I am looking for a camera which works well in dark situations. My A7 mark 3 works well but outdated camera lay out, my A7RV often does not do well in low light AF. My colleague had the same issue and switched to A1 and problem was solved. I allready use prime lenses, it's just when It is so dark AF (with the a7RV) sometimes is not the best certainly not as good as canon R5. My hope is there will come an A7SV but many people think this will not be the case. My question for you do you know how the A1 mark 2 handles with AF in dark situations?
I'm in Canada, hoping to get my a1ii this weekend or beginning of next week. I think down the road I'll sell my a6700 and get the a9iii specifically for video work. I just love to have that cropping option with wild life, so going back to a 24mp sensor for my main camera wont cut it. Both are incredible though.
For sure for me, overall the a1 II
Can you do another video on the Z50ii
Would still face the problem of flicker from cheap lights with GS though, especially when doing slowmo. You wouldn’t face banding but flickering would still be present.
I got the A9III since a couple of weeks and I love it. If I need more megapixels (Studio photography) I use my A7IV.
Ask me anything
Or the next a7r VI?
With good enough glass I have never had a problem blowing up a photo. You usually see the faults in the glass before you see the pixels
As it stands, I cannot decide which of these two would make a better next camera for me. I have an A7RV, which has me leaning A9, as I already have high MP covered. I primarily shoot wildlife and sports photography. The A7RV was arguably a bad choice. It's frustratingly slow
I'm too poor for either of these, but unless you only shoot high speed sports, the A1ii seems like the far better better because it's great at everything.
Can't wait to buy an A1 when they hit $3000 CAD in a few years
For me, a7r3a for time lapse, a9mk3 for sport/wildlife, a7v or MF for high MP if needed. A1mk2 for me is like an minor upgrade on A1mk1, not much of an upgrade or new type of design/improvement.
I was able to purchase a mint A1M1 for €4000 (~$4150) with 2800 shots in April 2024. Should I sell and get the A1M2?
No
To me it feels like we have peaked in mirrorless, I mean what else can be done at this point, from now on just AI software improvements. But this is not necessarily a bad thing as now its more than ever behind the camera, since these cameras are so capable.
Well that's pretty much the way it works with everything, it feels like everything has already been done until someone comes up with something that has not been done before.
Henry Ford famously said that if he asked people what they wanted before he invented the model T they would’ve said a faster horse.
@deanstein exactly
I lowkey wish Sony would make something that was basically all the advancements of these two cameras but using the a9ii’s stacked 24MP sensor (or a newer stacked BSI 26MP sensor or something) at a lower price. That would be more practical for me tbh.
If you’re shooting in fast-paced, action sports… a9iii is the way to go! 📸
I would agree to a point as it also depending on the lens choice. When shooting indoor sports like hockey, roller derby, soccer games... I actually prefer A1 with Sony GM (and now testing together with Veltrox LAB) 135mm f/1.8 prime while either using APS-C mode or post cropping to get MUCH cleaner 1600-2000 ISO shooting at f/1.8 or using higher shutter speed to freeze the moment to still get much sharper & cleaner images all the way to the corner of a prime lens than with the Sony GM II 70-200mm f/2.8 zoom at 3200-5000 with higher ISO & less sharpness. All depending on the combination of body and lens.
@@WolfRidesBikesWRB like Jeo said.. it really depends on what sports.. I shoot pro and NCAA sports with the a1 and there are few things above 30fps where I really need higher fps, and even with some things 20fps is more than enough.. the a9 III does give you the opportunity to pick exactly what frame you want (ie water droplets, balloons bursting, etc and of course no rolling shutter) Cheers friends!
A9iii seems to be more of a wildlife beast since things happen way faster than in sports and its not gonna repeat.
Canon r10 is the answer you seek young padawan
Neither... I have the A7R5 so I'm good for resolution.... I have the original A1 so I'm good for speed.... and too damn old to worry about the additional features......
Not one single reviewer talks about moire, which I find a big problem on my Sony A1. Especially when shooting presenters against large LED screens / walls.
The Nikon Z9/ Z8 combo is unbeatable for the price. + you don't need to use Sony or Cannon lenses... that's a big deal. I'm sorry you hate that combo but it's the best deal out there.
Ciao, potresti inserire la traccia audio in italiano? Grazie👍
Neither! I’ll stick with my A1 and A7RV and my wallet will be happy 😂
Love how you say you only get 30 frames per sec. lol on the a12
I mean it's a comparison to the A9iii, unfortunatly 4x slower is 4x slower. But he did say that's enough.
good i have them both now.. but had the a1 ii come out before a9iii i would not have gotten the a9iii. So sorry sport to diss them out in this order.. u prolly will see a bunch of a9iii on sale to get a1 ii. i still think a1 the orginall got a better hit rate on images then a9iii but maybe the a9iii just take alot more fine tuning over the a1.. the a9iii brought a bunch renamed or added AF stuff in menu that u got to fine too or figure out what it does.. that a9iii will definite focus so fast that it will jump on the subject u mean to focus on to something else more then the a1 does
I wonder if Canon has a global in the works?
Hello Hello hello hello brooss ❤
A9 III > A1 II
Sony changed to all white colored box with the A1 II. It will look mismatched with previous orange/black theme.
A9III 1/80000 @ 120 FPS is possible.
A9III is the flagship
The Sony a9 is showing us that the next sony video camera is gonna have global sensor :)
6K global full frame.. fx6 mark 2?
z8 best choice here)
Unless you're talking about video, you will NOT see any rolling shutter on the A1.
I just bought the a8111 and I am selling my a1 to upgrade it
wow, sony really is ahead of the curve
A1II
Sony back up the money truck
Also my favorite camera reviewer
Instructions unclear: bought a Canon instead. Merry Christmas Jared! Love your podcasts.
Well, they now make mirrorless cameras like SONY showed them - with similar features like eye AF, tracking, IBIS etc. But it's a more expensive path with less options for lenses.
… maybe in a free years, wenn Canon releases a GS sensor. But at the moment: No way! 😏
The A9III is very cool tech, but I think my favorite thing is all the photo influencers who overreacted and said it was the greatest camera ever now walking back their statements.
That’s cause Sony didn’t give most of these influencers a free A9 III to keep. Most of them are bashing the A1 II as well.
The global sensor tech is more meaningful for video anyway. Until the DR and cost goes down to where it’s far more common to see in most cameras, global shutter is not that big of a deal. Imagine if the Sony a1 ii was the same in every way but was a global sensor and cost $3000.
@@marcgilles4520 I think a lot of them, namely the Northrups, had to eat their words.
People here don’t need the capabilities of either camera. You don’t even need a camera to bash gear and “influencers.”
Neither, Pentax KF.
So is this the same body as the Sony A7R V ? If no then what’s the difference in the body of them
Quite a bit different - wider body, chunkier grip, fifth custom button C5 next to mount etc..
… real professionells own both and a bunch of GM glas, so they don’t care! 😏
Real pros are making $500k yr with a sony a6300, if you know you know.
Hey y’all on my a9111? When I was shooting video had flickering in my frame what am I doing wrong?
Buy neither. Buy used a1 instead.
Jared, is something wrong with your eyes, or you just read a prompter? I feel uncomfortable to see you looking left and right 10 times a second.
Yes, I have an eye condition called nystagmus
@@froknowsphoto I hope this condition doesn't make anything worse in your sightning. Take care of yourself.
Let's put it out there . . . ISO ratings / numbers are MEANINGLESS! Nobody is shooting at 102000 ISO and happy about the images. NOBODY. On NO camera. Nowhere. They should stop with the ISO numbers already. It's like turning the amp up to 11. Stupid.
as an old sony shooter for more than 15 years... a Nikon z50ii or a Canon r7 or r8... where are the really money bringing plus of these Sonys?
As the owner of a Canon R7, I can say that not everything with this camera is as great as everyone says.
Neither, I'm not making money with photography
Canon R5 :) I have already made my choice of platform. And now it will be very painful to get off it. Maybe I will upgrade to R5 Mark 2. Or maybe not. Maybe I will wait for the next generation. Not an obvious upgrade. The dynamic range is worse for mechanics. Full pixel shift was cut out.
Call me weird, but I want more pixels than an a6000 from 2014.
The human eye still resolves only 6 megapixels under museum/gallery conditions (comfortable viewing distance = picture's diagonal). That's probably why 24MP may be enough forever for the majority of use cases (no massive cropping needed) (e.g. no wildly erratically moving main subjects) (or, opportunities don't disappear quicker than one could change lenses)
@@tubularificationed My clients can sure tell the difference between 26 megapixels and 60 megapixels, especially when they're standing in a print shop.
Maybe some do a very close-up inspection of square mm parts. However, they do that only two times:
#1 before they buy
merely just for fun; Influence on eventual purchasing decision: precisely zero.
#2 maybe once again right after they mounted it on their living room's wall?
But after that day, never again 😉
The combo of Canon R5II + R1 is cheaper than the Sony A9III + A1 II. If I were Sony shooter, I would pick A1 II as I shoot birds.
if that photographers wants the a9iii and a1-ii combo, let them spend their money and get it. Who cares what cameras people get these days now. Sony led the way for Mirrorless camera to where it is now and now that Canon and Nikon finally caught up, its a matter of preferences
You’re not counting lens prices
@ canon 600 mm f4 vs Sony 600 mm f4. Price is same
Neither ..Sony produce over sharped with sh..t colours...No thanks. Sorry for speaking the Truth. I'd buy R5ii Nikon z8 or GFX 100s ii over Any sony camera.
Simple answer Canon R5