That was me asking the question but what doesn't come off is that we had met the night prior and had some beers together. He was an absolute gent. This was Fedcon in Germany, maybe 2018 or 17
There is a band called "Scorpions" from Germany. On their live album they sing English lyrics they do not understand to a French audience who cannot understand them, and the French audience sings back English lyrics they do not understand to a German band who does not understand them. But the album sells well in the USA and that's all they care about. Hilarious. Don't get me wrong, I love the Scorpions. Probably because I'm American and they sing in English. LOL
@@Mozart12201 He doesn't have to. It's a well known fact all Scorpion band members know English. There's Interviews with all of them on this very site you can look up.
Berman got a few things right and this was one of them, to let Obrien sound like Meaney, and to recognize the brilliance of Colm Meaney and make him a regular on DS9.
When he was able to not be a petty vengeful did he did actually have good ideas and cared about making a good show. I only wish he could have shown more restraint on Voyager.
@@robloggiaYes and no. I think if he had been less involved in VOY it would have been better but then he would have likely been more involved in DS9...
I am so glad they made O'brian (Colm) a major character in DS9, he didn't get much screen time in TNG. DS9 was my favorite out of all the Star Trek series. DS9 told a story, what happened in previous episodes was carried over in future episodes. Colm's character made a profound difference and really added to the story of DS9. Thank you Colm!
Just a slight correction: The character's name was Miles O'Brien (with an "e"). And yes, I do believe that character was genuinely one of the best things to come out of the Star Trek franchise. That is in part because of some really good character writing, and equally because of the great portrayal by such a fantastic actor.
Everyone who knows anything about Trek knows that O'Brien is the most important character in Starfleet history, and Colm's contract for DS9 (which gave him time off, whenever he wanted to do movies), proved how important they held him as an actor.
In 1993, my aunt took me to see Meany's film "The Snapper". It was an Irish film for an Irish audience and the accent made it hard for me to understand the dialogue. But I was used to hearing Meany on Star Trek and I used that to "tune" my ears to the accent and so to understand the dialogue. Thanks, Colm!
@@Rensune sorry just read this question. How many ? Well over 30 . I mean meany and i are from Dublin , Dublin has two different accents ( north and south side of the city) 32 countries each a little different, and some counties have isolated ideas with different accents. A few i can barely understand. ( they are speaking English its just hard to understand) and then there is the Irish language ( Gaelic) speaking , that sounds different as well . So if your from Dublin like colm and you can speak Irish it sounds or has a different accent. ( like an English person speaking French or Spanish) but dozens of accents, but most are incredibly similar. You can often tell where someone is from by how they say hello . Or the local equivalent of hello . Like Dublin its ( howya ) ( how are you ) or Belfast ( what about ya ) what about you or ( how are you ) some places say . ( well ) others ( how are ye ) lol . Each tells you where someone is from. Even if they say the same hello they say it with a different accent. ( soft or harsh sounding) north , south east and west . Are the big ones. Sorry tmi
Brilliant. This actor always owened his culture and heritage. He was always one of my favourite characters in ths universe and to see the amazing scatological banter between these two Irishman heartens me. Thanks Colm Meaney for your subtle performance throughout. One last thing: make a film about O'Brien because many of us will watch it.
Colm is a superb actor. I think the elephant in the room so to speak was Picard, who is meant to be French, but likes his Earl Grey tea instead of café-au-lait, quotes Shakespeare instead of Voltaire and sings old Royal Navy sea shanties with the crew. The poor audience must have a very warped view of what it means to be French.
Love Colm Meaney! He's so great! Really the entire TNG cast is one of the best TV casts there ever was. Everyone was a powerhouse and able to hold the spotlight. And TNG is a masterclass in giving an ensemble cast the spotlight.
In Up The Long Ladder, S2, they have Irish characters just like he describes. Danilo Odell. The actor really doubles down on the tacky irish stereotypes in that one.
When I was much much younger (when TNG was first airing in the Republic, via BBC Northern Ireland), I didn't think much of it at the time, but now I've grown up and experienced more, I now cringe at the thought of those accents because they're so bloody awful!
The most Irish thing about any accent are the noises the Irish make when they're trying to think about what to say, it's unmistakable and people who fake the accents never do it.
Always loved Colm Meaney in TNg and DS9, some really great scenes, and he kept it authentic Irish all the way. Love it. He's also great in the 1990's film War of the Buttons, about two warring gangs of boys from rival villages. Definitely recommend.
One of the conceits of Star Trek is that centuries later, these characters would still sound in a way that's familiar to late 20th early 21st century Terran ears. This was for the benefit of us as the audience so we'd feel at home in a spaced out future society, but it was also Gene Roddenberry's desire to show his audience that this is what we can become. We can, as a species, reach out to the universe with our diversity intact, and still represent our genetics as one true force upon which to be reckoned. In "reality" centuries from now our descendants traveling together out into space may sound dramatically different from how you and I sound today. A mere few centuries ago "old English" speakers would talk in a way that our ears would have difficulty deciphering.
kinda depends. Some languages move around a lot while others are fairly steady. For example a lot of medieval and even dark age welsh texts are a lot more parsable to the modern reader than, for example, the works of shakespeare in early modern english are to modern anglophones.
i'm not irish at all, but i find all those irish dialects very fascinating. they should do a show of various irish dialects so non-irish people can learn them.
I kinda wish people would learn our Irish language. 😢 the Iceland language (different enough from Norwegian to be called “Icelandic” and not “Ancient Norwegian with a couple hundred year’s of natural linguistic change” is still spoken. But our Irish language is very very close to being lost. There have been some revival efforts, and encouragement (& funding from Irish Americans) but still most people can only say a few phrases in it. The Irish have a reputation as writers, poets, and songwriters and they/we use English creatively and quite well. But, I can’t help but feel sad when aboriginal languages are lost (any aboriginal language, any aboriginal culture).
I've heard the typical "Irish" accent found in American films is found mainly in Donegal - that sing-song Irish with a "lilt" - and the word Wee used a lot.
@@miahconnell23 Irish is indigenous but I don't know if I'd call Irish an aboriginal language. Gaeilge is mostly Proto-Indo-European so it'd be mostly a later language than what was spoken by the Western European Hunter Gatherers and Anatolian Neolithic Farmers who settled Ireland earlier than the Proto-Indo-Europeans. There's probably some carry over from the earlier languages as the early cultures did integrate but that can probably also be said for Hiberno-English. It's English but we mix a lot of Irish words and grammar into it.
I'm a 'nordie'. My father's generation would have got smacked in school for speaking Ulster Scots. The linguistic heritage of Ireland, and the insane diversity of it, is astounding. E.g. A Cork or Kerry accent to me is nearly incomprehensible, whereas I have acted as a translator for a Scotsman speaking to some English lads.
I'm irish, and I never heard his irish accent, lol it was just a show full of interesting things...but when I later found out o Brian was irish I know it sounds odd...but back then half of America was nearly irish to me with all the irish names as a kid...I was chuffed to learn the actor was irish himself and not just that but the character too lol ah those where the days...
@tonyodoul5679 I'm saying I have watched it so much I don't notice the accents anymore. Also there is no "average" American accent, Obrien's accent isn't that dramatic when compared to some American accents.
Chief O'Brian was only successful because of Colm Meany. If another actor had that role the character would have been in the background for a few episodes and then dropped. Its his talent and larger than life persona that dragged a background throwaway character into the spotlight. He's enormous fun to watch in anything he does 😎👍
My boss is from Cork. It is very singsongy and also a trainwreck. It's taken two years but I'm getting used to it. He does do the thing where he talks too damn fast and trails off at the end.
Oh god, I had a similarly accented irish fella come into the shop the other day. Nicest chap in the world, but spoke to us lime folk like we were friends of his from the home country. It felt like that episode of TNG where it takes Picard its entire length to decipher what this one alien's trying to say to him.
To be fair, accents have got to be one of the hardest things to get right. I’m American, and I’ve heard British actors try to have an American accents, and sometimes they sound okay, but lots of times they aren’t convincing at all. It’s got to be a big challenge for actors.
First trick: never ever try to do a national accent. Pick an EXACT place. No such thing as British or American accent. But there is Newcastle and Boise.
@@tristanridley1601 Yeah, that is true, there is no such thing as an American or British accent, but I don’t think regional accents make it any easier. I live in New England and with the exception of a few local actors, that’s a hard one to get right too.
Mike Myers tells a funny story how he was in Dublin for some project and practicing his lines outside his hotel with what he thought was a pretty good Irish accent. As he was speaking, he heard this voice from a nearby balcony and there was this young kid about 10 and the kid kept shouting at him, "That's absolute Shite! You suck Myers!"
@@tristanridley1601Well I think what we think of the British accent (when they don't mean cockney) is what they call the BBC accent (which is what the network pushes their news people to sound like.) Canada also has the CBC accent. It's not as common but there is a type of American accent used by most newscasters nationally and I think a lot of foreigner think of this as THE American accent (it's also what you hear in a lot of language tapes).
My Uncle Mike was from Carlow and he had such a "typical" Irish accent. He'd call my mother and I had such a hard time understanding him when I was little. Now I don't have any problem understanding various Irish accents and I have still never been closer to Ireland than South Carolina.😂
@@ragdoll2309 Ha, best place to meet an Irishman surely? Very jealous, first saw Colm in Star Trek but find him someone who's always great in whatever he's in.
He’s not wrong about Dublin and the best spoken English. D4 West Brits are awfully polite. 😂 Someone asked in the comments how many accents are there. Even within the counties there are accents. South, North, West Armagh are actually very distinct from each other and that’s in one reasonably small county. Fermanagh is a sing song lilt which is so soft whereas Cork really does go up and down the octaves. Colm Meaney is a great actor. And just on accents, the 1700s saw an immigration of Ulster Scots to the US. The nasally wang contributed to American accents. For that reason people from the North like Graeme McDowell and Rory McIlroy end up sounding like Americans within years of going there. They’re ear hears and then mimics the accent because it’s similar to their own.
I don’t blame you… in my opinion, the Dublin accent is quite mild to a lot of folks in the US (particularly Midwesterners) the bulk of the pronunciation is nearly identical with only subtle pronunciation differences and cadences. The Dublin accent has nearly identical vowel pronunciation and stress to the midwestern American one… ( with the one major exception being vowels with an r after them. ) And as CM said, he Americanized things a little himself. if you spend about two weeks in Dublin, you’ll end up doing the opposite subconsciously. It’s very easy to accidentally slip into it.
It's an interesting thing to see addressed. Most sci fi shows tried to copy TNG by having mostly american actors with a handful of english stage actors dropped in for dramatic effect but they didn't got the extra mile trying to make it feel multi ethnic which helps suspend your belief that we're in a post national, interplanetary world. Certainly Star Trek veered into cliche ethnic tropes at times but at least they swung for the fences and when it fell flat on its face you felt like they'd tried to create something distinct.
yeah, and some of those 'offensive' ones I just think.. eh, as long as you don't do it a LOT, you can have a weird primitive planet of africans once in a while. Maybe.. just once. I dunno. Nobody would get mad at a planet of primitive vikings after all. I like when scifi and fantasy things use a variety of accents to sell you on the differences between the groups, which otherwise you, as not a native to their setting, might not grok right away. the Xenoblade games have had excellent use of English dub actors from all over the UK and America so you can instantly go "oh that's a Welsh accent, that one's a catgirl, even if she's offscreen or in disguise, I can tell"
I'm from Galway and because we're a "student city" with so many national and international accents happening at once, it's been said that we don't have an accent. Now, my Mam was from Athlone (midlands) and my Dad is Dublin, so I grew up really snookered lol 😂
Always liked O'Brien, in TNG his episodes stood out and in DS9 when he got so much more attention it was really good. Keiko now was a totally different issue.........
As someone half Irish I was wondering if Mr Meaney would bust out a legitimate Cork accent. Some Irish and English is so lilted it's very difficult to understand, even as a person who listened to both languages as a child. I understand (broadly) about 4 languages moderately, 2 less so, 2 more I just have a passing knowledge of. Southern Irish coastal regions, Hebrides Scottish and hardcore Cornwall and Newcastle accents, remain the hardest to parse. Trivia fact - there is more linguistic deviance in speech in 50 miles in the UK than there is in the entire USA. I heartily recommend people read Bill Bryson's - Mother Tongue as a really amusing discussion of why English is how it is.
I understood everything after the word money and I’m only an eight Irish on my mother’s side. I inherited my grandfather on my dad’s sides ability to understand accents and sometimes unconsciously slip into an accent I’m hearing.
Being of Scots-Irish decent on my father’s side (his grandparents immigrated from County Derry to California in 1876), I’ve always wondered what my grandfather George Washington Courtenay sounded like. I hear he was an odd fiery fellow…
Colm Meaney is a Dubliner, as I am . What i hear is a Dublin accent. I agree with Colm about Barry Fitzgerald, and Cork accents too . As to the show itself, I think of up the long ladder as to how Star Trek Next Generation writters thought of irish people . They took every cliche and put it on screen. Watched films like the quiet man and thought thats who irish people are
Reminds me of hearing Jack Raynors awful Irish accent in Transformers Age of Extinction. As an Irish man it literally had me squirming. I was actually shocked to find out he was actually from Ireland afterwards. I can only imagine that tool Michael Bay telling him that he didn't sound Oirish! enough.
It’s funny to me the idea that I should think a Dublin accent was strange. My sister married an Irish guy, and she moved to the Dublin area. Despite living in Louisiana and Arizona most of her life, she’s picked up a little bit of an Irish accent here and there.
I'm an actor also from Dublin, I've worked as an accent coach in Vancouver in a lot of theatre productions and its so hard to make north Americans not sound like leprechauns. I've been told so many times in auditions that I don't sound Irish, and I've lot parts to north American actors doing absurd leprechaun accents. It's a tough battle to win.
in fairness, as dumb and overused and unrealistic as the accent is, it's also charming and cute. It could be a hell of a lot worse, all things considered.
I tell you what I remember watching Snatch and couldn't understand Brad Pitt's accent (which I guess is "traveler" - Irish Gypsy). Apparently his accent was so terrible in The Devil's Own that he worked really hard and long to sound authentic in Snatch (and a lot of Irish people said it's the most authentic Irish accent by a non Irish actor).
It's not that Americans thought all Irish people talked like that just because of an actor or 2, but that it's all the Irish people who talked like that left Ireland and went to America
As a Latina, yeah, I feel this. The Cork accent I guess is like the Puerto Rican accent with Spanish (their Spanish is good, only, they speak it so fast, my silly Chicano ear is like: huh? Love all dialects and way speed of Spanish)
In a reverse situation, Norwegian dialects do have a lilt. Except for where my grandmother came from, Voss, where the dialect is very flat, at least traditionally. So flat in fact, that when she came to the US as a girl, other Norwegians thought she was German.
Colm Meany looks like he has been 50 years old for the last 35 years
makes no sense.
You saying he's still the next generation than?
I think it's an older clip. He looked older in Hell on Wheels, and that was a decade ago.
@@tonyodoul5679think Tom cruise but stuck in perpetual middle age.
It’s not the years, it’s the miles…
That was me asking the question but what doesn't come off is that we had met the night prior and had some beers together. He was an absolute gent. This was Fedcon in Germany, maybe 2018 or 17
You handled yourself well, boy
Georgie fucking burgess
'stupid american playing an irish guy' ... is that what you think is acceptable to say
It being in Germany might explain why your mum’s line “turn of that shite” didn’t get the laugh it deserved from the audience.
Hey - thanks for the context! Great question. :)
Two Irish guys have a full on conversation based around cultural dynamics of Irish people in American Cinema to a crowd of Germans
Spectacular
There is a band called "Scorpions" from Germany. On their live album they sing English lyrics they do not understand to a French audience who cannot understand them, and the French audience sings back English lyrics they do not understand to a German band who does not understand them. But the album sells well in the USA and that's all they care about. Hilarious.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Scorpions. Probably because I'm American and they sing in English. LOL
@@Mozart12201I’ve yet to meet a German that doesn’t speak perfect English 😅
@@mamba101 And you have obviously met them ALL.
@@Mozart12201 Unless they're singing like a Kerry man then a good portion of that crowd/band probably do understand the lyrics.
@@Mozart12201 He doesn't have to. It's a well known fact all Scorpion band members know English. There's Interviews with all of them on this very site you can look up.
Berman got a few things right and this was one of them, to let Obrien sound like Meaney, and to recognize the brilliance of Colm Meaney and make him a regular on DS9.
But what happened to Sonya Gomez? :)
They wanted him as a regular on TNG too but he was trying to branch out at the time (as he alludes to in this clip)
@@nisselarson3227 Captain Gomez ,in Lower Decks, if you please
When he was able to not be a petty vengeful did he did actually have good ideas and cared about making a good show. I only wish he could have shown more restraint on Voyager.
@@robloggiaYes and no. I think if he had been less involved in VOY it would have been better but then he would have likely been more involved in DS9...
He had the most technobabble of anyone I've ever seen in star trek and it really sounded like he knew what he was talking about
Geordi used a lot of technobabble too.
@@kurtb8474 true, not so much technobabble in Discovery
everything was tachyon field related
@@kurtb8474 it's almost like the chief engineer has to use more technobabble than the rest of the cast :)
He plays an Engineer on television, but you can really tell he took that role to heart.
I am so glad they made O'brian (Colm) a major character in DS9, he didn't get much screen time in TNG. DS9 was my favorite out of all the Star Trek series. DS9 told a story, what happened in previous episodes was carried over in future episodes. Colm's character made a profound difference and really added to the story of DS9. Thank you Colm!
Yeah, Miles O'Brian was one of my favorite characters on DS9 and TNG.
They made him suffer for it, though.
Just a slight correction: The character's name was Miles O'Brien (with an "e").
And yes, I do believe that character was genuinely one of the best things to come out of the Star Trek franchise. That is in part because of some really good character writing, and equally because of the great portrayal by such a fantastic actor.
Most under rated and actually most important actor/character in Star Trek. A lovely man 👏
Everyone who knows anything about Trek knows that O'Brien is the most important character in Starfleet history, and Colm's contract for DS9 (which gave him time off, whenever he wanted to do movies), proved how important they held him as an actor.
RIGHT? He is literally the greatest engineer in the history of the Federation and eventually got a statue.
@pixearles please explain more. What did he do that was so significant? Genuine question
@@dogwklrConverted an abandoned, sabotaged Cardassian space station to be fully compatible with Starfleet and Bajoran systems. That's no small feat.
Don't forget how incredible Patrick Stewart's French accent was.
a scottish guy with a british accent playing a french guy...
Scottish? He is from West Yorkshire
And Brent Spiner in Times Arrow
Tea, Earl Grey, hot. Also a croissant, vive la France old boy.
@@paulannable3734 his last name is Stewart. He's scottish.
In 1993, my aunt took me to see Meany's film "The Snapper". It was an Irish film for an Irish audience and the accent made it hard for me to understand the dialogue. But I was used to hearing Meany on Star Trek and I used that to "tune" my ears to the accent and so to understand the dialogue. Thanks, Colm!
GET INTO THE HOUSE YE GOBSHITE
Brilliant film, never fails to make me laugh
O’Brien has always been one of my absolute favorite characters.
He comes off so human.
"Of all the souls I have encountered in my travels, his was the most... human."
I'm from the north-NORTH OF CORK lol
It's important to establish that if you're from Cork, whatever part of Cork you're from, it's still Cork, the greatest place in the world...bai.
I'm from the South Cork. The posh part is around the corner and they are a bunch of Langers. 😊
The North is indeed north of Cork ;)
@@jedsithor Cork city here, agreeing. The North side of Cork City bai.
Up the Rebels! Also from Cork city.
I grew up near colm meanys family. My dad knew his mother. ( north side of Dublin accent)
How many accents would you say Ireland has?
@@Rensune God, as many as it has people but a good generic rule is to go by one per county.
Awesome! Miles O'Brien always seemed like a really cool guy!
@@Rensune sorry just read this question. How many ? Well over 30 . I mean meany and i are from Dublin , Dublin has two different accents ( north and south side of the city) 32 countries each a little different, and some counties have isolated ideas with different accents. A few i can barely understand. ( they are speaking English its just hard to understand) and then there is the Irish language ( Gaelic) speaking , that sounds different as well . So if your from Dublin like colm and you can speak Irish it sounds or has a different accent. ( like an English person speaking French or Spanish) but dozens of accents, but most are incredibly similar. You can often tell where someone is from by how they say hello . Or the local equivalent of hello . Like Dublin its ( howya ) ( how are you ) or Belfast ( what about ya ) what about you or ( how are you ) some places say . ( well ) others ( how are ye ) lol . Each tells you where someone is from. Even if they say the same hello they say it with a different accent. ( soft or harsh sounding) north , south east and west . Are the big ones. Sorry tmi
@@alexion2001 right
Brilliant. This actor always owened his culture and heritage. He was always one of my favourite characters in ths universe and to see the amazing scatological banter between these two Irishman heartens me. Thanks Colm Meaney for your subtle performance throughout. One last thing: make a film about O'Brien because many of us will watch it.
Colm is a superb actor. I think the elephant in the room so to speak was Picard, who is meant to be French, but likes his Earl Grey tea instead of café-au-lait, quotes Shakespeare instead of Voltaire and sings old Royal Navy sea shanties with the crew. The poor audience must have a very warped view of what it means to be French.
Picard is supposed to be a Frenchman of the future.
@@NotSettlingForSecondBestwell, it might be a bit much to turn the French of the future into English people hiding a vineyard…
@@NotSettlingForSecondBest You have a good point. I guess they turn into Brits LOL.
It’s true he’s the most British French guy you’ve ever met… but then again, where did the Normans come from?
@@NotSettlingForSecondBest This is after the infamous British colonization of Britain in 2065.
Love Colm Meaney! He's so great! Really the entire TNG cast is one of the best TV casts there ever was. Everyone was a powerhouse and able to hold the spotlight. And TNG is a masterclass in giving an ensemble cast the spotlight.
I just adore this actor man!
One of Ireland's greatest actors 🇮🇪
I think you mean Ireland's one greatest actor!
@OptimusMonk01 no gobsite we have many
The irony of the thumbnail with ireland not including the six counties yet in tng cannon ireand is reunited all 32 counties...by obrians time.
3:34 that makes sense, O'Brien is surrounded by people that sound nothing like him, it stands to reason his accent would change
Thanks for uploading this! I remember watching it years ago but it had been taken down a while back, I'm glad it's not lost media 😄
Hey right on! I had to take it down years ago LOL, it was on my first channel, Omega ordained.😎👍
@@StargateOmega Ah that expains it! Keep up the good work 😁
Colm is a class act
Excellent speaker, I loved this!
In Up The Long Ladder, S2, they have Irish characters just like he describes. Danilo Odell. The actor really doubles down on the tacky irish stereotypes in that one.
God, that was dreadful.
When I was much much younger (when TNG was first airing in the Republic, via BBC Northern Ireland), I didn't think much of it at the time, but now I've grown up and experienced more, I now cringe at the thought of those accents because they're so bloody awful!
ah, the bald old days of using retooled "cycle 2" scripts.
yeah but his daughter was fine as hell. only thing that makes that episode worthy of a re-watch. lol
The guy asking the question: I'm from the north... NORTH OF CORK...
He didn't want to be mistaken for a Northern Irish :)
The most Irish thing about any accent are the noises the Irish make when they're trying to think about what to say, it's unmistakable and people who fake the accents never do it.
what's that sound like?
@@sudofoxehhhhh
Even in Dublin the accents change. The first time I saw the Commitments I wondered if I should put on subtitles. (Meany was fantastic in it.)
Dublin is basically the new york of Ireland. Lots of diversity. Move out west south north is where you get the real accents
@@rexman971 Gaelic?
@@rexman971the real accents you mean?
@fmcm7715 Yes, I confused accents with language 🤦♂️
5:19 That is the most unflattering screencap of Keiko I have seen.
Edit: 6:16. Ok, that screencap made me laugh.
Hahaha. Good 😎👍
@@StargateOmega 😂
5:19 is also when he starts the story about the old guy who married the pretty girl.... :)
I love Colm Meaney Irish accent .
1:00 "aw he'll probably sound like scotty"
I just love him so much
He was also the pilot of the British 'Windsor Airlines' jet that went down in 'Die Hard 2'.
'We need to land now!
We are flying on fumes up here!'
O'Brien would have diverted to another airport instead of circling for hours.
Always loved Colm Meaney in TNg and DS9, some really great scenes, and he kept it authentic Irish all the way. Love it.
He's also great in the 1990's film War of the Buttons, about two warring gangs of boys from rival villages. Definitely recommend.
One of the conceits of Star Trek is that centuries later, these characters would still sound in a way that's familiar to late 20th early 21st century Terran ears. This was for the benefit of us as the audience so we'd feel at home in a spaced out future society, but it was also Gene Roddenberry's desire to show his audience that this is what we can become. We can, as a species, reach out to the universe with our diversity intact, and still represent our genetics as one true force upon which to be reckoned. In "reality" centuries from now our descendants traveling together out into space may sound dramatically different from how you and I sound today. A mere few centuries ago "old English" speakers would talk in a way that our ears would have difficulty deciphering.
Nah thats just how the universal translator makes it sound to us 😂
kinda depends. Some languages move around a lot while others are fairly steady. For example a lot of medieval and even dark age welsh texts are a lot more parsable to the modern reader than, for example, the works of shakespeare in early modern english are to modern anglophones.
2024. Just back from Belfast and DATA was right. Its happening.
The greatest man in Starfleet History.
Being from Newfoundland I totally get where the audience members OG question is coming from.
Even in Shoresy the Newfie character is overdone.
I love it when the chap in the audience say “oh I’m from the north OF CORK (oh god for a moment people thought I was a nordie)
Wonderful character once he went to DS9, the greatest show ever made.
i'm not irish at all, but i find all those irish dialects very fascinating. they should do a show of various irish dialects so non-irish people can learn them.
I kinda wish people would learn our Irish language. 😢 the Iceland language (different enough from Norwegian to be called “Icelandic” and not “Ancient Norwegian with a couple hundred year’s of natural linguistic change” is still spoken. But our Irish language is very very close to being lost. There have been some revival efforts, and encouragement (& funding from Irish Americans) but still most people can only say a few phrases in it. The Irish have a reputation as writers, poets, and songwriters and they/we use English creatively and quite well. But, I can’t help but feel sad when aboriginal languages are lost (any aboriginal language, any aboriginal culture).
If you go 5miles north south east or west of anywhere you will get comlpeteley different accents
I've heard the typical "Irish" accent found in American films is found mainly in Donegal - that sing-song Irish with a "lilt" - and the word Wee used a lot.
@@miahconnell23 Irish is indigenous but I don't know if I'd call Irish an aboriginal language. Gaeilge is mostly Proto-Indo-European so it'd be mostly a later language than what was spoken by the Western European Hunter Gatherers and Anatolian Neolithic Farmers who settled Ireland earlier than the Proto-Indo-Europeans. There's probably some carry over from the earlier languages as the early cultures did integrate but that can probably also be said for Hiberno-English. It's English but we mix a lot of Irish words and grammar into it.
I'm a 'nordie'. My father's generation would have got smacked in school for speaking Ulster Scots.
The linguistic heritage of Ireland, and the insane diversity of it, is astounding. E.g. A Cork or Kerry accent to me is nearly incomprehensible, whereas I have acted as a translator for a Scotsman speaking to some English lads.
I have watched O'Brian so much that I don't hear an accent sometimes anymore. In my mind, he has an American accent.
I'm irish, and I never heard his irish accent, lol it was just a show full of interesting things...but when I later found out o Brian was irish I know it sounds odd...but back then half of America was nearly irish to me with all the irish names as a kid...I was chuffed to learn the actor was irish himself and not just that but the character too lol ah those where the days...
anyway that's what irishmen sound like in the 23rd and 1/2 century!
what? He doesn't sound like an average american, nothing like it. ha
@@risinggael1685 first think i noticed, the irish accent. It's just you .
@tonyodoul5679 I'm saying I have watched it so much I don't notice the accents anymore. Also there is no "average" American accent, Obrien's accent isn't that dramatic when compared to some American accents.
“We have people coming to learn English here from all over.. Italy, France.”
Made me chuckle... I’m not sure it’s working.
Chief O'Brian was only successful because of Colm Meany. If another actor had that role the character would have been in the background for a few episodes and then dropped.
Its his talent and larger than life persona that dragged a background throwaway character into the spotlight. He's enormous fun to watch in anything he does 😎👍
My boss is from Cork. It is very singsongy and also a trainwreck. It's taken two years but I'm getting used to it. He does do the thing where he talks too damn fast and trails off at the end.
Just be glad he's not from Sneem
People from Cork don't talk they sing😍I absolutely love it💕🇮🇪
Oh god, I had a similarly accented irish fella come into the shop the other day. Nicest chap in the world, but spoke to us lime folk like we were friends of his from the home country. It felt like that episode of TNG where it takes Picard its entire length to decipher what this one alien's trying to say to him.
They sing in Co. Kerry too😂
I love how him and worf had a battle of being on the most episodes like 500 or something
Best Star Trek character.
To be fair, accents have got to be one of the hardest things to get right. I’m American, and I’ve heard British actors try to have an American accents, and sometimes they sound okay, but lots of times they aren’t convincing at all. It’s got to be a big challenge for actors.
First trick: never ever try to do a national accent. Pick an EXACT place. No such thing as British or American accent. But there is Newcastle and Boise.
@@tristanridley1601 Yeah, that is true, there is no such thing as an American or British accent, but I don’t think regional accents make it any easier. I live in New England and with the exception of a few local actors, that’s a hard one to get right too.
Mike Myers tells a funny story how he was in Dublin for some project and practicing his lines outside his hotel with what he thought was a pretty good Irish accent. As he was speaking, he heard this voice from a nearby balcony and there was this young kid about 10 and the kid kept shouting at him, "That's absolute Shite! You suck Myers!"
@@tristanridley1601Well I think what we think of the British accent (when they don't mean cockney) is what they call the BBC accent (which is what the network pushes their news people to sound like.) Canada also has the CBC accent. It's not as common but there is a type of American accent used by most newscasters nationally and I think a lot of foreigner think of this as THE American accent (it's also what you hear in a lot of language tapes).
If you come to dublin make sure to call them jackeens, they love it.
Colm is a very important part of star trek. The Chief is a great character
My Uncle Mike was from Carlow and he had such a "typical"
Irish accent. He'd call my mother and I had such a hard time
understanding him when I was little.
Now I don't have any problem understanding various Irish accents
and I have still never been closer to Ireland than South Carolina.😂
Next Generation, season 2, episode 18, Up the Long Ladder
That one still burns my soul
Colm did very well there after being called a west brit, the man askibg the question was needling him a bit.
He was gracious about the whole thing. I might have been pissed
Sorry about that, we had met the previous night at the bar and had a good chat. All in good fun, colm was great
@@ragdoll2309 Ha, best place to meet an Irishman surely? Very jealous, first saw Colm in Star Trek but find him someone who's always great in whatever he's in.
@@drt1605 absolutely never meant to be an insult, always a bit of fun.
He’s not wrong about Dublin and the best spoken English. D4 West Brits are awfully polite. 😂
Someone asked in the comments how many accents are there. Even within the counties there are accents. South, North, West Armagh are actually very distinct from each other and that’s in one reasonably small county.
Fermanagh is a sing song lilt which is so soft whereas Cork really does go up and down the octaves.
Colm Meaney is a great actor.
And just on accents, the 1700s saw an immigration of Ulster Scots to the US. The nasally wang contributed to American accents. For that reason people from the North like Graeme McDowell and Rory McIlroy end up sounding like Americans within years of going there. They’re ear hears and then mimics the accent because it’s similar to their own.
I didn't even know O' Brien (or Meaney, for that matter) was Irish until my early 20s or so and I'm a lifelong Trek fan (33 y.o now).
Lmao typical
I don’t blame you… in my opinion, the Dublin accent is quite mild to a lot of folks in the US (particularly Midwesterners) the bulk of the pronunciation is nearly identical with only subtle pronunciation differences and cadences. The Dublin accent has nearly identical vowel pronunciation and stress to the midwestern American one… ( with the one major exception being vowels with an r after them. ) And as CM said, he Americanized things a little himself. if you spend about two weeks in Dublin, you’ll end up doing the opposite subconsciously. It’s very easy to accidentally slip into it.
@@MurderMostFowl Are you on crack?
It's an interesting thing to see addressed. Most sci fi shows tried to copy TNG by having mostly american actors with a handful of english stage actors dropped in for dramatic effect but they didn't got the extra mile trying to make it feel multi ethnic which helps suspend your belief that we're in a post national, interplanetary world. Certainly Star Trek veered into cliche ethnic tropes at times but at least they swung for the fences and when it fell flat on its face you felt like they'd tried to create something distinct.
yeah, and some of those 'offensive' ones I just think.. eh, as long as you don't do it a LOT, you can have a weird primitive planet of africans once in a while. Maybe.. just once. I dunno. Nobody would get mad at a planet of primitive vikings after all.
I like when scifi and fantasy things use a variety of accents to sell you on the differences between the groups, which otherwise you, as not a native to their setting, might not grok right away. the Xenoblade games have had excellent use of English dub actors from all over the UK and America so you can instantly go "oh that's a Welsh accent, that one's a catgirl, even if she's offscreen or in disguise, I can tell"
Colm Meaney has a good natural Irish accent.
Because he's irish?
I'm from Galway and because we're a "student city" with so many national and international accents happening at once, it's been said that we don't have an accent. Now, my Mam was from Athlone (midlands) and my Dad is Dublin, so I grew up really snookered lol 😂
Well, that was terribly interesting!
Always liked O'Brien, in TNG his episodes stood out and in DS9 when he got so much more attention it was really good. Keiko now was a totally different issue.........
What's going on with that map of Ireland in the thumbnail.
I'm American, and he flatters us by assuming we can tell the difference between Cork and Dublin. 🙂
He flatters himself assuming we care. All sounds like leprechaun to me. 🤷🏼♂️
As someone half Irish I was wondering if Mr Meaney would bust out a legitimate Cork accent. Some Irish and English is so lilted it's very difficult to understand, even as a person who listened to both languages as a child.
I understand (broadly) about 4 languages moderately, 2 less so, 2 more I just have a passing knowledge of.
Southern Irish coastal regions, Hebrides Scottish and hardcore Cornwall and Newcastle accents, remain the hardest to parse.
Trivia fact - there is more linguistic deviance in speech in 50 miles in the UK than there is in the entire USA. I heartily recommend people read Bill Bryson's - Mother Tongue as a really amusing discussion of why English is how it is.
"I go to work wanting to sound terrible"
I understood everything after the word money and I’m only an eight Irish on my mother’s side. I inherited my grandfather on my dad’s sides ability to understand accents and sometimes unconsciously slip into an accent I’m hearing.
The north-antrim has a real lilt to it too.
Being of Scots-Irish decent on my father’s side (his grandparents immigrated from County Derry to California in 1876), I’ve always wondered what my grandfather George Washington Courtenay sounded like. I hear he was an odd fiery fellow…
You have left out part of my country
That picture at 5:25 is VERY unflattering for Keiko
Lmao I saw this comment while listening and was waiting for it... did not disappoint one bit
It might be why LCMDR Scott sounded like that (on top of being a 20th Century Canadian, with an Irish dad and a Scots mom in real life).
I am chief Miles Edward O’Brien. I am very much alive and I intend to stay that way. Best line ever.
Give us back our Teddy Bear's Head
Colm Meaney is a Dubliner, as I am . What i hear is a Dublin accent. I agree with Colm about Barry Fitzgerald, and Cork accents too .
As to the show itself, I think of up the long ladder as to how Star Trek Next Generation writters thought of irish people . They took every cliche and put it on screen. Watched films like the quiet man and thought thats who irish people are
Reminds me of hearing Jack Raynors awful Irish accent in Transformers Age of Extinction. As an Irish man it literally had me squirming. I was actually shocked to find out he was actually from Ireland afterwards. I can only imagine that tool Michael Bay telling him that he didn't sound Oirish! enough.
West Britain! 😮
It’s funny to me the idea that I should think a Dublin accent was strange. My sister married an Irish guy, and she moved to the Dublin area. Despite living in Louisiana and Arizona most of her life, she’s picked up a little bit of an Irish accent here and there.
Hell on Wheels 🎡😊
I'm an actor also from Dublin, I've worked as an accent coach in Vancouver in a lot of theatre productions and its so hard to make north Americans not sound like leprechauns. I've been told so many times in auditions that I don't sound Irish, and I've lot parts to north American actors doing absurd leprechaun accents. It's a tough battle to win.
in fairness, as dumb and overused and unrealistic as the accent is, it's also charming and cute. It could be a hell of a lot worse, all things considered.
@KairuHakubi no, it couldn't. It's racist/xenophobic.
Thanks 50 years of Lucky Charms commercials.
Wonder what he thinks of’Up the Long Ladder’ . . .
That last bit was so controversial 😮
I can't shake the feeling the audience member is throwing low key shade at Bruce Hyde for his portrayal of Lt. Riley.
Great in The Snapper
More shocking and controversial than a black commander running the space station was a real Irishman in charge engineering 😂.
Doohan (Irish) played Scotty because his experience in the War was that all the best engineers were Scots :^x
Cork! It must be the closest you can be to being on another planet 😂😂😂
If that other planet is just better, yes.
Elvis
Is
GOD!
Ah, another The Commitments fan.
I know some ol boys in the holler youd need subtitles for lmao
I tell you what I remember watching Snatch and couldn't understand Brad Pitt's accent (which I guess is "traveler" - Irish Gypsy). Apparently his accent was so terrible in The Devil's Own that he worked really hard and long to sound authentic in Snatch (and a lot of Irish people said it's the most authentic Irish accent by a non Irish actor).
To be fair, Colm doesn’t really have a strong Dublin accent. I guess it has softened over the years.
and picard is one of those british-sounding french people
It's not that Americans thought all Irish people talked like that just because of an actor or 2, but that it's all the Irish people who talked like that left Ireland and went to America
Remember the main male actor from the Up The Long Ladder TNG episode? Holy hell was that an over-actor in the Irish sense.. lol.
Beat sounding people are old Irish and Scottish men and women!
EVERYBODY'S grandparents i call them!😎✊🏽
Picard's French accent was excellent.
In the pilot of TNG Patrick 😊 said Colum not Miles because colum didn't have a name yet.
No, he said "Conn", which was the station he was sat at. I used to think he was saying Colm too.
The only damn accent I have trouble with is rural Waterford! I live Up North.
Cillian Murphy has kept his Cork accent. Bit of the musical lilt sometimes when he is interviewed.
I spent 10 days in cork a few years ago. It's true what he says.
Except for boy
As a Latina, yeah, I feel this. The Cork accent I guess is like the Puerto Rican accent with Spanish (their Spanish is good, only, they speak it so fast, my silly Chicano ear is like: huh? Love all dialects and way speed of Spanish)
The Irish accents in The Quiet man are good. Most of the actors in it are Irish anyway.
What a man and What a Career
Miles O'Brien was the character I the most indenfy with.. Blue colored and the average man doing his best to make a diference.
In a reverse situation, Norwegian dialects do have a lilt. Except for where my grandmother came from, Voss, where the dialect is very flat, at least traditionally. So flat in fact, that when she came to the US as a girl, other Norwegians thought she was German.
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