Now I have greater respect for heavy machinery. Bet that was a stressful day at work! I would like to thank "railroad33" and all the others who keep this nation running.
The derailed plow remained for several years. You can still see it on older Google Street View shots, it is gone today. 39.332503, -102.042956 www.google.com/maps/@39.3321525,-102.0428674,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sOJUruD8RfnuZE0vrfMUeYg!2e0
Doing this snow clearing looks like a hair-pulling experience. Between needing spotters to tell you whats coming, getting stuck in really bad spots, and greater possibility of derailment, it just seems like a crappy time. But the cargo has to get through.
@BrunsAce Can't use antifreeze because unlike car or truck engines which are cast in one solid block, locomotive prime movers are built up from individual piston assemblies. There are so many joints in the water jackets that there's no way to keep the coolant from leaking into the crankcase. Plain water boils off harmlessly, but ethylene glycol destroys bearings.
Ice sucks. I was on a train that derailed because of ice in the crossings. All was fine when the track was straight, but when there was a curved crossing, off we came.
Those are EMD locomotives- two-stroke 16 and 20 cylinder diesel engines with crankshaft-driven turbochargers to scavenge the cylinders. The turbo is equipped with an overrun clutch so that when exhaust gas velocity is sufficient to drive the turbo, around nothc 5-6, it does.
very old from the looks of it. I'm surprised that the KYLE railroad didn't use the old plow that was converted from an old Rock Island 4-6-2 tender. I saw it in videos from previous days that the KYLE RR had to plow.
seriously, how can the fact that it's a atomic powered engine prevent it from derailing? Just because the torque or horsepowers might be greater doesn't mean that a fault in the tracks or something being in the way can prevent it from derailing..
I was being cynical. Sorry. I work for the railroad. In almost all cases the railcars are eventually either rerailed. In particular with minor wrecks like this one. They can use cranes or sidebooms for larger derailments. For minor ones you can actually ramp them back up with wood blocks or steel rerailers.
No turbos on generators! A turbocharged diesal engine turns the generator creating electrical current which is then fed to the traction motors on each axle.
Thanks for photographing and uploading these; they're fascinating. Are there operating procedures designed to reduce the chance of derailing a plow? For example a limit to the speed?
Yup. you're right. They just leave a million dollar locomotive on the side of the tracks to rust. It's too bad there isn't any sort of lifting technology that will put the wheels back on the rails or something.
it was about -13F all day here with the wind chill, and our skid steer wouldnt start after bein plugged in for 30mintues and we used the glow plugs twice, so we waited another 30minutes and uesd the glow plugs again and she finally turned over, but then again age might be a factor as CPRRailfan said the skid steer is about 20yrs old, but it runs fine
PREVENTABLE MISHAP: Why did someone not clean the flangeways at the grade crossing? Most likely the ice in the groove between inside of rail and roadway could not be pushed further inward (away from the railhead) because the raised street area is right there. You would have to ride over that slowly so the wheel flanges would not ride up on the ice. Or manually clear the flangeways.
@thedodger1234 If you look at 7 seconds in, looks like a crossing there. More than likely packed ice in the flange way of the road crossing. Wheel flange rides up, over the rail head and off she comes!
Probably not--the railroad would want them pulling trains as much as possible. If they had to be idle for that long, they'd be drained of any fluids that could freeze before storing them in such conditions.
Rockguitarist, that was a douche response to my post. If you read carefully, I said it was sad that there was a big black line across the ATSF engine and it wasn't the ice that derailed the plow, it was the revenge off SANTA FE lol. Come on dude, I live in NM! ATSF, blue, yellow, warbonnets, kodachrome and the black with Zebra Stripe scheme. My favorite RR of all times. Then the Dirty SP for their unwashed power!
well, anyone with eyes can see that the plow tipped over... was there a build up of snow on one side causeing an off balance, or was there an obstruction underneath causing the car (plow) to tip?
What happened? Why not explain under (more info)? Flangeways at grade crossing were filled with ice? Is there no way to lower wedges which would clear the flangeways? How about sharp flanges to cut ice? Looks like grade crossings need to be redesigned with flangeways deep all the way to the ties and areas below where ice can be moved. Like this: T \---------------/ T Or have some kind of rubbery material to fill the flangeway which is compressed when the flanges run over it.
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Now I have greater respect for heavy machinery. Bet that was a stressful day at work! I would like to thank "railroad33" and all the others who keep this nation running.
The derailed plow remained for several years. You can still see it on older Google Street View shots, it is gone today.
39.332503, -102.042956
www.google.com/maps/@39.3321525,-102.0428674,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sOJUruD8RfnuZE0vrfMUeYg!2e0
+Joe Dohn "It is my understanding that it was scrapped in place."
Doing this snow clearing looks like a hair-pulling experience. Between needing spotters to tell you whats coming, getting stuck in really bad spots, and greater possibility of derailment, it just seems like a crappy time. But the cargo has to get through.
I'm glad we came to an understanding :)
Ivé been following the video´s with this train and i must say that i am still impressed. How did they get it back on the tracks?
wow this is some good quality for 2007 good lord
They're actually leased from CEFX. MNA has a couple on their line, they're spread out all over RailAmerica's lines.
@BrunsAce Can't use antifreeze because unlike car or truck engines which are cast in one solid block, locomotive prime movers are built up from individual piston assemblies. There are so many joints in the water jackets that there's no way to keep the coolant from leaking into the crankcase. Plain water boils off harmlessly, but ethylene glycol destroys bearings.
Ice sucks. I was on a train that derailed because of ice in the crossings. All was fine when the track was straight, but when there was a curved crossing, off we came.
Those are EMD locomotives- two-stroke 16 and 20 cylinder diesel engines with crankshaft-driven turbochargers to scavenge the cylinders. The turbo is equipped with an overrun clutch so that when exhaust gas velocity is sufficient to drive the turbo, around nothc 5-6, it does.
I couldn't get a good look at the Santa Fe unit, but the two SP units are SD45T-2s, 3600 HP each.
Well those Locos are a bit heavier than a HO gauge...
A lot of work to bring them back on the track.
Cheers, Chris
very old from the looks of it. I'm surprised that the KYLE railroad didn't use the old plow that was converted from an old Rock Island 4-6-2 tender. I saw it in videos from previous days that the KYLE RR had to plow.
Awesome! Not the derailment, but the plow itself. "Lookout stupid snow!"
This badass train is clearly the only one who dares to do the hard parts :)
seriously, how can the fact that it's a atomic powered engine prevent it from derailing?
Just because the torque or horsepowers might be greater doesn't mean that a fault in the tracks or something being in the way can prevent it from derailing..
so this is the train in ur snowplow mp435.5 vid? DOH and just as I thought that train was rippin the snow a new one it goes and derails on me haha
was that one of those old Rock Island plows?
listen to that turbo purr
where you guys located at? My guess is Colorado. How do you get those derailment messes cleaned up? do you get set them back on the tracks or what?
I was being cynical. Sorry. I work for the railroad.
In almost all cases the railcars are eventually either rerailed. In particular with minor wrecks like this one.
They can use cranes or sidebooms for larger derailments. For minor ones you can actually ramp them back up with wood blocks or steel rerailers.
No turbos on generators! A turbocharged diesal engine turns the generator creating electrical current which is then fed to the traction motors on each axle.
Thanks for photographing and uploading these; they're fascinating.
Are there operating procedures designed to reduce the chance of derailing a plow? For example a limit to the speed?
"Damn it Larry! I told you; steer clear of pennies on the rail!"
"But Boss, I can't stee.."
"LARRY!"
Nearly a year later this plow still is buried on the side of the railroad grade.
Yup. you're right. They just leave a million dollar locomotive on the side of the tracks to rust. It's too bad there isn't any sort of lifting technology that will put the wheels back on the rails or something.
it was about -13F all day here with the wind chill, and our skid steer wouldnt start after bein plugged in for 30mintues and we used the glow plugs twice, so we waited another 30minutes and uesd the glow plugs again and she finally turned over, but then again age might be a factor as CPRRailfan said the skid steer is about 20yrs old, but it runs fine
is the wnow permanent up there? A crane should be able to lift it out if it can get near enough.
PREVENTABLE MISHAP:
Why did someone not clean the flangeways at the grade crossing?
Most likely the ice in the groove between inside of rail and roadway could not be pushed further inward (away from the railhead) because the raised street area is right there.
You would have to ride over that slowly so the wheel flanges would not ride up on the ice. Or manually clear the flangeways.
yeah, your right. Its Ignorant to insult someone for no reason, that really pisses me off. He just needed to be put into his place.
Mr. Plow, that's my name, that name again is Mr. Plow
Oh my god, the derailed those nice tunnel motors!
@thedodger1234 If you look at 7 seconds in, looks like a crossing there. More than likely packed ice in the flange way of the road crossing. Wheel flange rides up, over the rail head and off she comes!
is that the ssnow plow that just sitting it the dirt now
also do you got a video of the derailent
Wow, that was right after it happened, right?
Probably not--the railroad would want them pulling trains as much as possible. If they had to be idle for that long, they'd be drained of any fluids that could freeze before storing them in such conditions.
I think the saddest thing about this ordeal is that big black line across - Santa Fe. Its not ice, its Karma :D
Rockguitarist, that was a douche response to my post. If you read carefully, I said it was sad that there was a big black line across the ATSF engine and it wasn't the ice that derailed the plow, it was the revenge off SANTA FE lol. Come on dude, I live in NM! ATSF, blue, yellow, warbonnets, kodachrome and the black with Zebra Stripe scheme. My favorite RR of all times. Then the Dirty SP for their unwashed power!
Hope you guys got some good overtime for this derailment.
did the Driver get into trouble was he following SOP policy/ proceedure?
EPIC FAIL! how do they get the to the train thats off the tracks with out moveing any of the cars (they cant)...
They had a couple of guys get behind it, and push while the train operator switched between reverse and forward. Eventually they were on their way.
that the end of the snowplow they was using?
is that why the engine is still running?
How much snow could u possibly get in the UK
What was the number of the yellowbonnet loco?
Do you work for the Kyle?
Looks like a lot of work to clean up that mess.
How do you get it back on the tracks?
(this is BrunsAce on my other account) Yes I saw that one. Quite impressive! So what does that have to do with this??
They don't. Under such conditions they're left idling overnight.
How do they get em back on track?
Sooo...how do they clean up that mess?
well, anyone with eyes can see that the plow tipped over... was there a build up of snow on one side causeing an off balance, or was there an obstruction underneath causing the car (plow) to tip?
You got a vid showing lifting an engine back on the rails?
Did this guys follow the same train the got stuck and required 6 engines to push it out?
tzhe enginne of train is still running, right?
This is why trains need forward snowblowers.
What happened?
Why not explain under (more info)?
Flangeways at grade crossing were filled with ice?
Is there no way to lower wedges which would clear the flangeways?
How about sharp flanges to cut ice?
Looks like grade crossings need to be redesigned with flangeways deep all the way to the ties and areas below where ice can be moved.
Like this: T \---------------/ T
Or have some kind of rubbery material to fill the flangeway which is compressed when the flanges run over it.
And how exactly do you put it back on the tracks? Ok boys on 3 one two three.....aaaahhhhhh, dang I just shit my pants!
Why is there a Santa Fe and Southern Pacific locomotive, aren't these rival companies now?
there still not invented the rotarys?
here a 2 axled rolary shopel loco cand face that kind of snow.
It must have taken a while to get that train back up on the track.
They really should invent some sort of "train/hopping/hydraulics technology...
Dam, i though i was going to read about snowplows.
It looks like they removed more then just snow on that one, it looks like it removed bit of the track.
In the U.K we just give up, shut the lot down and take a couple of weeks off til it melts!!!
Yah, they should add some more sand/concrete blocks
@prilstrudel What Book?
well....Precisely! you've never seen a railroad crane before, have you?
Wow. It put the first engine on the ground too. Must have had a fair amount of speed at the time.
is it me or does that snow plow look like it has split in two peices
is that pantera on your radio lol
And if it did, you could always go get it back by following the hot glowing tunnel downwards.
Yeah, because a few guys can totally shove a 200 ton locomotive backwards through 5 feet of snow.
How often does this happen?
but why is the trainegnine still running?
Southern Pacific was bought by Union Pacific and Santa Fe was bought by BNSF
(Burlington Northern Santa Fe)
It had only happened about 2 minutes before they showed up.
That would give plenty of time to write ones name in the snow.
all that work to get it out of that drift, then this happens :S looks like it broke the plow in half
Saw the other video and thought it was a bumpy ride... guess it really was too bumpy...
Yes, Ice in the flangeways of crossings will do this . Seen it more than once! Sucks to be them, I've been there!
As if cleaning up a derailed train wasn't hard enough without the snow.
turbo deisel?
Don't know. if I were to venture a guess it's not worth the cost. Basically it's a plow in a flatcar.
Damage report?
Casey Jones, never ride a train high on snow.
derailing can still happen even though it'satomic powered engine..
Quick answer...call "Haulcher"!
that's not too bad. not the engineers fault. just ice build-up.
since they make to return to his place the locomotives with as much snow, perhaps a crane could operate there?
wow how long does a train conductor have to wait unto he get's help? Like hours or something?
So... is this your job? If it is it's Fucking Awesome!
lol howmany hp's do each of these have?
So, maybe instead of standing around holding a camera, you guys could have offered to help push it back onto the tracks?
Are those kyle's SP Tunnels are did you lease them from UP?
Thats what happens when you dont plow with an acctual snow plowing train.
OOPS! That's gonna hurt!
WHY??