@@SteveAndrews-i6oWell even in 2003 you could hook up a computer to output through a TV, so if we're literally just talking about a TV monitor then any web content ever can be TV content.
I can’t help but imagine an alternate version of history where instead of retconning John Hurt in as the War Doctor, they made Richard E. Grant’s Shalka Doctor into the War Doctor. They could’ve kept him as the Great Intelligence and just said he stole a suppressed face of the Doctor to mess with him. It seems like the Shalka Doctor’s vibe would’ve totally worked for the Time War🤷♂️
Was about to say the same. (1) Great Intelligence stepping into the Doctor's timestream is canon; (2) Doctor with Grant's face is canon; (3) Khan being a place where the rules don't apply is canon, thus War Doctor replaces Great Intelligence Doctor. Night of the Doctor is *literally* the next DW instalment on-screen after Name of the Doctor. QED (or, as the Doctor would say, "Think it through".)
I think Paul Cornell at some point suggested the Shalka Doctor was being sent places by the Time Lords after they retreated into the Matrix from a war with another species. My HC now is that Shalka is a Timeless Doctor from during the *First* Great Time War, and that this Master is a spare copy of the War Master’s consciousness he stored in an android body before becoming Professor Yana, who the Shalka Doctor at some point meets. Easy to imagine the “they” sending him places are the Division.
It's interesting to contrast Nine and Shalka - both being dark Doctors capable of intense moments, but Nine never loses his warmth or love of adventure. He's friendly and approachable, despite his scars, and that quality makes the heavy stuff land much harder. Whereas Shalka seems to have some of TV Six's worst traits - mean, arrogant and condescending. He may be more 'alien' in that way, but is he actually either a better Doctor, or a protagonist, because of that?
With the Toymaker re-writing the Doctor's history, as they said, think this could be a bi-generation of the War Doctor into this 9th and the 9th we know that they don't remember?
It is a possibility now. I am unsure I want them to do a deeper dive on this. That one line by the Toymaker about rewriting the Doctor’s history opens up so much that is helpful but most is best to leave to the imagination I think.
My head canon for the Fugitive Doctor is the season 6b theory, between Troughoton and Pertwee. If we extend this to the Shelka Doctor, and consider the 'all nine of me' remark, it would imply at least seven season 6b Doctors (which may or may not include the Fugitive Doctor). Works for me.
There was a backstory to the "Shalka Master" on the original BBC website. Apparently the Master & Doctor fought alongside each other against an enemy attacking Galifrey & the Master was saved by the Doctor. I remember watching Shalka when it came out.. had to watch at work as 2003 home PCs wer rough.
The revival actually owes A LOT to Scream of the Shalka. When they started developing this there were a mass pile of rights issues they had to sort out, some involving pepperpot like aliens. When Russel T. ran across these same issues he was told of this series... and the fact they'd sorted out most of the issues in developing their series of ongoing adventures.
As someone who takes a rather loose view on what is canonical, I love it when showrunners or comic writers find things on the edges of “what counts” and find good stuff in there to include.
I haven't seen this since it first aired, but looking at the images brings me such a warm feeling of nostalgia. I was ready for REG's Doctor to have adventures with Alison and the robo-Master. I bought the novelization. I stayed late at work to watch these, since my internet at home was still dial-up, and school was faster. And I remember initially being GUTTED when the announcement that REG wouldn't be the live-action 9th Doctor was made. For a brief window, REG WAS the 9th Doctor, even after the announcement that the show was coming back. The people on the Yahoo Doctor Who mailing list were so stoked for new live-action, and just waiting for the announcement for REG. And then it was Christopher Eccleston, whom I'd never heard of, and had to rely on others to tell me who he was. I watched 28 Days Later just because it was something he was in that was accessible to me at the time. And I fell in love with his Doctor right away - from the first "Run!" - but I was still sad in those early, pre-"Rose" days, that Richard E. wasn't the "real" Doctor. This video makes me want to rewatch, since I've got Shalka on DVD now. It's been 20 years or so since I watched it, and just the clips shown here remind me of how much I loved it. Thank you for a trip down memory lane, Vera! And I am beyond excited that RTD made the Shalka!Doctor canon!
See what you think of this: once the Great Intelligence enters the Doctor's timestream, he infiltrates a regeneration moment to become an ultimately short lived alternate but actual incarnation. For this, I'm going to plump for the regeneration of the War Doctor seen in The Day of the Doctor. As we don't see the full transformation, it's here that history is rewritten. It's a slight fudge, especially given the Andy Warhol line, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the War Doctor encountered Warhol during the Time War or something. This alt-9th Doctor's existence was ultimately nullified by Clara entering the Doctor's timestream, but it was a face the Doctor briefly had. One last thing: the Shalka Doctor had one other official adventure, in the BBC online short story The Feast of the Stone, which I believe is still available.
The thing about Scream of the Shalka is it's actually closer to what a stereotypical 2000s reboot of Doctor Who would've been expected to be - a dark, edgy, almost humourless Doctor (indeed, you can describe the supporting cast in similar terms), still in Edwardian garb, that goes for a grittier, more grounded setting while also haphazardly shoving elements in from the old show (UNIT, a robot clone of the Master) that aren't so much worldbuilding as just 'hey, that was a thing from the old show'. It really highlights how wrong 'Rose' could've gone if it hadn't found the sweet spot of being a good introduction while using the show's past to create mystery, instead of 'hey, remember that?'
I'm curious as to when the last time you rewatched it was. Because while it's darker overall I would call neither the Doctor himself nor the supporting cast humorless. They give Grant some solid zingers in this, and the supporting character of Greeves is actually quite funny. But a lot of that gets undercut by the limitation of the animation, which is nobody's expression changes significantly. All the characters have pretty locked in facial expressions, even for moments where a grin or a smirk might be fitting, but that's because a completely new expression meant a whole new art asset and this thing had the budget of a middling brunch.
I honestly wish they'd give the Doctor a more Edwardian outfit again, I know it's really a meaningless nitpick, but I do generally prefer more dated clothes for the Doctor. I mean my favourite of NuWho is 11's purple outfit, it was absolutely brilliant, it definitely evoked the Doctor's style in the classic series.
1) You know that David Tennant in the Shalka was the most excited he was for a couple of years until he got cast as the Doctor... 2) Could you imagine Richard E. Grant's Doctor going up against the Great Intelligence?
Ah yes, 'Scream of the Shalka', one of Tennant's many Wilderness Years/pre Doctor appearances (can't remember if this released before his early Big Finish audios like Colditz)...
@@plows2940 thanks. Also weird how many Big Finish audios he appeared in (or in Dalek Empire 3's case, was a main character of) before becoming the Doctor...
I love The Shalka Ninth Doctor so much and Richard E. Grant is one of all-time favourite actors. The fact this Easter Egg happened I still haven't gotten over, I am still buzzing over it.
I enjoyed the Sound of Shalka iteration of the Doctor. I always assumed the War Doctor regenerated into him. (Moffat mentioned in DWM that he specifically didn't show Hurt regenerating into Eccleston because E declined to be involved in the 50th anniversary, and hiring a stand-in would be disrespectful to E's wishes.) So in my "head canon" I deduced Hurt changed into Grant, but wasn't quite imprinted (like Romana in Destiny of the Daleks) and shifted into Eccleston, where his form finally set. But I like your idea that Grant's Dr. is contemporary to Martin's. I am not easily persuaded, but you have given me a perspective to contemplate. Thank you for showing me a different angle.
I don't see this as canonising the Shalka Doctor but it does open up the possibility of it. We only see an actor's face, there is no direct reference to that Doctor. Given that Grant's Great Intelligence was also messing around in the Doctor's timestream, I have to leave that open as another possibility, although the Shalka version is more likely.
Oh so he went into the timeline and became a version of the doctor like a mini piece of him got stuck in the doctors timeline. Could be a cool retcon although a bit specific
@@Venemofthe888 Sort of. Not so much that he became a version of the Doctor at that time but yes, one of the fragments stayed there hidden and ready for a future re-appearance. No retcon is needed as it was never established that the GI was completely removed from the Doctor's timeline, only that Clara stopped him from destroying all the Doctors. I still think the Shalka Doctor is more likely but I can't call it canon, not yet. 🙂
My preferred way of interpretating The Shelka Doctor is that he is the byproduct of "Name of the Doctor" and some aspect of the Great Intelligence escaped that story by merging with a long suppressed aspect of The Doctor (preferably The Dream Lord) before manifesting out from The Doctor's time scar. Also, the unnamed deceased companion that The Doctor is morning throughout "Scream of the Shalka" was the manifestation of Clara that spawned along side him, destined to die saving The Doctor, but this time GI would be The Doctor. I would choose to call her Time Lady Oswin istead of Clara. She was stated to have been the daughter of the Lord President of Gallifrey by the extra materials realeased for Shalka. What I like about this idea is that it alows The Shalka Doctor to be more than just another incarnation of The Doctor. Being an amalgamation of The Doctor's inner-most darkness with the ego of the Great Intelligence would allow this Doctor to go places the main Doctor could never go. He could be a Shadow Doctor painted in darker and darker hues until he discards the name of The Doctor in favour of something else. At least this is how I'd like to interpret The Shalka Doctor.
It says something about the quality of these videos that even though I don't watch tv, am not hugely into Doctor Who, and don't follow pop culture much in general, I still find these videos interesting.
I watched "Scream of the Shalka" on the "big screen" at the 2004 Galifrey One con (boy, I just aged myself). I remember the rumor going around that the show would soon be revived by someone named Russell T. Davies ... but I didn't believe it. I don't remember much of the story itself except I renenber liking Allison.
I've seen Scream of the Shalka, actually, it was on a more obscure DVD I got with some other doctor who animated pieces, namely The Infinite Quest with Ten and Martha, The Animated Reconstruction of Shalka, and the Animated Reconstruction of The Power of the Daleks (although annoyingly in color.). I thought it was decent, if held back. I'd love to see a follow up to it, honestly. Also, funny story about the David Tennant cameo, apparently he was doing an audio drama right next door to the studio that was doing the voice recording for Scream of the Shalka, he found out about it and visited and was offered a small cameo. Needless to say he jumped at the chance. Pretty sure he had no idea where that would lead him...
You could even say that Ten saying "half a dozen times since we last met" canonised Eight (even though at the time it wasn't even true, because the last time he saw her was as the Fifth Doctor! Although retroactively it's true due to War) I think you can say The Next Doctor specifically canonises the Movie though, since that clip is taken from the Movie.
I own Scream of the Shalka on DVD and only rewatched it a couple of weeks ago I love it so much. I was thrilled it got made cannon and definitely want to draw the Doctors Warhol style.
The Shalka doctor could easily be the 9th pre-hartnell incarnation of the Doctor. By 9th I would think 9th after they began calling themselves the Doctor
The animation is fine. In world where Southpark is still going strong, I don't think we need to apologize for Shalka. Love this Doctor and this Tardis crew and would love to see them brought back. I'd be happy with some BF stories or a comic book. I'd worry about the continuity, but between the Chibnall era and there now being three David Tennant's running around, I'm done fighting that battle.
with all the susan stuff in the recent episode i wonder if they are setting up richard e grants doctor as the father of Susan’s parent and the doctor immediately before Hartnell
I get the sense that Davies is one of those fans who counts basically everything as canon no matter how little sense it makes. The Shalka Doctor is obscure even in a lot of fan circles. I mean, I’m superior because I watched the Clever Dick Films documentary series. In any event, it is cute, though I don’t know if it’s gonna lead to something. I mean, one does not simply invoke Scream of the Shalka, right?
The Doctor states where he lands he is the Ninth Doctor. The Master is the War Master and he worked with the war doctor over the time war. So it puts an one off where the reboot doctors lay. So technically there is seventeen known doctors. The fugitive Doctor before William Hartel and Richard just before the reboot ninth Doctor.
I always knew all about the Shalka Doctor and had seen his animated websites, but I watched this anyway because watching your videos is fun. I like the idea of bringing the Shalka Doctor into canon. I’m not thinking too heavily about what it means though. Back when the War Doctor was new I thought it would have been great to cast Richard E Grant as the War Doctor and make the Shalka Doctor the War Doctor. Given that he was the lost doctor, it seemed fitting to me.
Since Bi-Generation is a thing now. I like to think the Shalka Doctor split from the War Doctor as we never see him fully regenerate, despite seeing a glimpse of Eccleston.
Honestly since Eccleston does not want to come back on the show itself I could see them having Richard E grants doctor stand in for 9 if they ever want to do a anonther multi-doctor
I wonder if this might be a tease for the next Doctor, though seeing the comments here I'm interested in this being treated like an alternate timeline 9th Doctor or a 9th Pre-Hartnell Doctor. There's definitely room thanks to the Timeless Child so I wonder what they'll do...
I have Shalka on DVD, they released it for the 50th anniversary year. In the making-of feature, it was explained by the creators that Shalka was meant to be the first of four serials with the Grant Doctor, but various production and budget issues whittled it down to one story. No-one from the BBC even told them their project was being superseded as canon, they simply heard the news when it was publicly announced. They were gutted. Understandably so. That's why there are so many dangling threads.
What if this is the version of the 9th Doctor that 8 would've become if he'd regenerated naturally? Perhaps back in the universe as a result of all of Russell's bigeneration shenanigans?
I clocked that the Shalka Doctor seemed like someone close in time to the Fugitive Doctor also. I honestly hope that this is RTD's way of working them into the main timeline after Hartnell, since it makes no sense for the Fugitive Doctor's Tardis to be a police box unless she's after Hartnell. Maybe these two are a parallel branch from the Time War or some such.
Thank you for the video, Vera! It was very interesting! It is cool how this animated webseries first introduced themes which would be explored later in the main live-action series, such as the Doctor travelling alongside the Master/Missy in the TARDIS. And the main voice cast later having roles in the main TV series is also cool (even David Tennant was in it! LOL). I do also agree about Richard E. Grant's Shalka Doctor appearing in the main series being probably just a cool easter egg. It seems to me that Russel T. Davies is having some fun looking at the expanded media of Doctor Who and saying: "Everything is canon, and it is also not canon at the same time."
I've always considered the Shalka timeline to have been a version of history which was lost/over written because of the Time War, given Richard E Grant's incarnation was specifically the ninth Doctor and it's heavily implied he went through his own version of the conflict.
The nature of the movie Doctor was never established. But he is different enough that his name is actually Doctor Who and he built his own TARDIS on Earth. Perhaps he is human. Perhaps he is Rose's duplicate Doctor in the alternate reality, but decades down the line. Either way, he wouldn't have the gift of regeneration.
@@travishiltz4750 I've always preferred the "Toymaker" theory where Peter Cushing is a distant future incarnation forced to relive his past adventures.
@@mrdoctorgilmore Do like the idea that the Cushing Doctor might exist in a separate universe created by the Toymaker, so he could have a Doctor to play with. and that when the Cushing Doctor meets the Toymaker he should look like Christopher Lee!
Yeah, I don't think it was ever expected to be seen on DVDs and later proper streaming. I think it's actually quite good for the time. But maybe I'm just old.
Yup - the fact that the official release was Adobe Flash adds an additional technical hurdle to watching this today, if you can find it. It’s not insurmountable, and plenty of people converted it to a proper video format long before Flash’s demise, but it could still be a problem.
I've always thought of the Shalka Doctor as an alternate timeline version of 9, if there was no time war. So, originally the 8th Doctor regenerates into the Shalka 9th, but the time war happens. The 8th Doctor is involved, so his Timeline is affected. Instead of what would have happened, he crashes on Karn and regenerates into the War Doctor. I think the Fugitive Doctor is an alternate reality second doctor. Originally, the first Doctor regenerates much earlier than the series of events we see on screen. Because of that, in the alternate timeline, it's Fugitive that takes the Tardis and gets the it stuck as a police box when the chameleon circuit breaks. It was implied that before the creation of the induction barrier, Timelords went back into their own history. Maybe the Doctor becomes the Other that way, and also impacts his timeline. We don't see the first Doctor until he is very old and past the point of needing to regenerate. For me, if two different incarnations do many of the same things, the obvious answer is alternate timeline. This particularly works if there is some piece of established lore that would facilitate such a story line. I don't think RTD cares about lore though. I think there is a thing this season where fiction is creeping into the real universe. I also think RTD likes laughing at people he sees as taking things to seriously. So it may be a troll for people who will immediately jump on it and start acting like people from the beginning of The Giggle without a zeedex.
Something funny about this Doctor suddenly becoming canon from a guy who once wrote the line, "Paul McGann doesnt count". Not sure where he actually leaned at the time, juat funny.
I'm sorry to answer some more related questions, the Doctor who magazine the following was explained. - the doctor had retired to gallifrey, fallen in love with the gallifreyan president's daughter and given up running around being the doctor. - most of the people on gallifrey die in a great war with another alien race (fan suspect it's the daleks) -All the remaining time Lords aside from the doctor fled into the matrix. And the Doctor set the Masters consciousness installed in a robot. -oh and because of the doctors failure to save gallifrey and the president's daughter who died in all the fighting, he's banished and forced to go wherever he's needed, even though he's given up on being the Doctor a long time ago
The explanation I was looking for is some context of creation. This story is on my animated doctor who DVD collection without any explanation for why it was created. The 8th doctor Shada story from the same year, which appears an even less expensive production, is in the Doctor Who legacy collection also without explanation. If Shalka was the price of a sassuage sandwhich, then in 2003 (40th anniversary) they created 12 episodes of doctor who without paying for 2 sassuage sandwhiches. On the web I found a 2002 orphaned episode, real time, starring the sixth doctor which ends in a never resolved cliffhanger, implying there was some idea of snimating a sxth doctor serial but it was dropped with one episode broadcast. Also on the web I found a 2001 seventh doctor serial that also has Ace and the Brigadier which gives the Doctor god like powers. All five episodes of this serial appear to have been produced in 2001. Actually, I like the Shada serial and the Shalka serial, and I think Richard E Grants voice acting was good. I explanation I was looking for who was who set out revive the Doctor in the 2001-2003 period, and why it was attempted with almost no budget. I am also curious why they would release Real Time with no second episode.
Such an interesting incarnation. I would to see Big Finish do something with this Doctor, the possibilities! I think I saw this, it was so long ago in my timeline. Yeah rough on the animation, but still interesting. Thanks for talking about this incarnation
Hoping they do a remaster or re-release of this - I commented I would love to see it released again and RTD gave me a heart on his insta, so think chances are good. Also, desperately want Big Finish stories with Shalka Doctor now.
Is it possible that we actually saw The Great Intelligence and not the Shalka Doctor? Considering he had twisted himself so deeply in The Doctor's time stream that perhaps the faces shown were a bit confused?
I watched it as it was dropped online. It was exciting! I also watched BBC's other animated webisodes Death Comes to Time, and Real Time (great story, but spooked me so much I can't rewatch it 😨😆). The android Master I loved. I remember being puzzled by who the Doctor was talking to, then it was revealed, and 🤯. That was great. Their banter was wonderful. I also remember liking the story overall.
My theory is he could be an alternate, season 6B Third Doctor, either as a younger Third or a regeneration between 2 and 3. Since he’s working for the Time Lords, that does track with the Season 6B theory. And if he is a new incarnation, the Time Lords could totally have given him an extra one or two to fulfill his work for them and his subsequent exile.
I think it's more that he's worked with Grant since on other projects and has a better feel for the actor and his range. I don't think I like the idea of canonizing the cartoon directly, but I always interpreted it as solf-canon for events prior to Eckleson. If they fully Canonize Grant I would want a crossover episode with Gatwa, Grant and Whittaker where it's the same gist as the Hurt doctor
If I were to make Scream of the Shalka canon, as a showrunner, I'd adjust the timing to make the story take place during the same era that Jo Grant's fugitive doctor was active, and make the "they" that were sending him places the same people she was working for/fleeing from. I have no idea if RTD will handle it that way (or even address it at all) though.
Oh - wait - nEw thought --- In the novels and in the last of the 6th Doctor audio it is explored that future Doctors are floating around in the Doctor's unconscious, forming for when they are needed. In one book, I think it was Head Games, the 7th persona was actively trying to force out 6ey cause he thought he was screwing up! Wouldn't it be wild if Richard Grant were the next Doctor? 16? Never happen, but would be funny.
20:23 I charted out the Timeless Children, and, if you put Jo Martin right after them, she’s #8. She could’ve very well regenerated into Richard E Grant.
I've always assumed that when The Great Intelligence when into the The Doctor's timeline at the end of The Name of the Doctor one version of him became the Doctor, and that's who the Shalka Doctor is. And why his canonicity is sketchy.
I hope we ether get this reanimated now it's cannon aswell as an explanation of how I would assume after War could only make sense since we didn't see him regenerate & I would asuume they don't wanna breakw the 9-15 order we've seen since 2005 or even Richard E Grant doing Big Finnish stories as The Doctor
Wait- if it wasn't until The Next Doctor that fully canonized Mcganns incarnation, what were the 9th and 10th Doctors called in marketing? Because 9 and 10 being names would acknowledge 8 in the numbering
Considering RTD slated Grant's performance at the time and has since changed his mind. It wouldn't surprise me if we see the Shalka Doctor. Bi-generation and all that
I'm trying to think about if they're going to make him Canon. Where? I think he could be one of the doctors unknown about of "pre first doctors". But he said all 9 faces but timeless child doctor went through probably hundreds of faces while being experimented on. Another option could be the war doctor. We see the war doctor young and old this could be the war doctor in a bit of a middle age. Though since the master is a robot maybe the doctor is also a robot.
Fugitive being between 2 & 3 makes the most sense to me too - she knows what a sonic screwdriver is (2 was the first to use one on-screen) but doesn't take it seriously because she hasn't yet added all the extra functions that we've seen later Doctors use, 2 into 3 was the only Classic Who Regeneration we didn't see, and of course, the TARDIS already being a Police box
@@ZoeMalDoran Yes indeed. Couple that with the knowledge that the Timelords can add in and remove regenerations, even whole cycles, and it fits nicely.
Derek Jacobi played The Master in "Scream of the Shalka", and is now a canon Master so why not make Richard E Grant an official Doctor. I picked the Doctor is being push around time and space by the guardians
They are obviously going to do something with this cause why tease something to get people talking and not do anything. All you will do is piss off the fanbase that way. He's the 3rd (arguably 1st) version of the doctor not to be given a number along with the War Doctor and Fugitive Doctor. I do wonder if they are trying to move away from the numbering system or something different in that respect. The Toymaker did say he played with the doctors timeline like a puzzle and perhaps this version of the doctor comes from a split timeline or something like that. Thats getting into speculation but i do think Russel will do something with this. Maybe not right away but i think eventually even if he hated it originally
I think ultimately the decision to canonize this Doctor is not an indication that Russell t Davis has changed his mind and likes this Doctor. I think it's more a message to the fansthat anything and everything can be cannon or not cannon. It's a statement to stop caring so much about the rules and the lore of the show.
I've heard about this series on multiple occasions but never dove deeper into it. I really should give it a watch sometime, the animation style would just be nostalgic so I'd be able to get past it 😂
Given how common fan reanimating are I wonder if there is one of this, maybe it’s in the works, though your history with the BBC & copyright might be the biggest deterrent
Man, I am such a long-time mega-fan of 'Scream of the Shalka' -- in fact, IMO, Shalka!Nine is WAAAAAY more interesting to me than Eccleston!Nine. (And truly wish for more stories with him, Allison, and his android boyfriend) ❤❤ Still, I think the most interesting this to me about this canonization is that RTD has been on the record for ages as HATING Shalka. In fact he's even said he hated REG's porformance calling it 'lazy' and 'phoned it' (SMDH!), so I have to wonder if he's come around or what. [EDITED TO ADD: Commented before finishing the video, so this was already touched on later in the vid] Only time will tell, I guess. P.S. I do really love the homoerotic queer elements of this story, btw. The whole Doctor with an android that looks like the Master in what seems like 'The Odd Couple' pairing (I mean that answering machine message is so shippy) is PERFECTION in my eyes.
Missy was perfect!😢,its sad saxon choosed still lying to himself that never standing with the doctor is what the master always really wanted ,i hope the next master...after O or spy master can realize that and show the doctor evidence that missy wanted to reedeem and stand with the doctor!
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A playlist of videos covering the issues with the BBC and transphobic reporting: ruclips.net/p/PLmWFOeT2jEofVIDW9X3OL7GqWuX3Dxopu
You know it's a wild season and the show is in new territory when Council of Geeks is making LORE videos
Also worth a mention that since Shalka WAS originally canon that it would make Alison the first Black campanion seen on screen, just not a tv screen
You mean not a TV screen?
Technically it’s still a tv screen because you could watch it through the BBC red button service
@@SteveAndrews-i6oWell even in 2003 you could hook up a computer to output through a TV, so if we're literally just talking about a TV monitor then any web content ever can be TV content.
I can’t help but imagine an alternate version of history where instead of retconning John Hurt in as the War Doctor, they made Richard E. Grant’s Shalka Doctor into the War Doctor. They could’ve kept him as the Great Intelligence and just said he stole a suppressed face of the Doctor to mess with him. It seems like the Shalka Doctor’s vibe would’ve totally worked for the Time War🤷♂️
That’s why thought they could’ve made Shalka the war doctor
@@SteveAndrews-i6oWhat?
That would’ve been great! And it would’ve made the S7 finale more impactful.
Was about to say the same. (1) Great Intelligence stepping into the Doctor's timestream is canon; (2) Doctor with Grant's face is canon; (3) Khan being a place where the rules don't apply is canon, thus War Doctor replaces Great Intelligence Doctor. Night of the Doctor is *literally* the next DW instalment on-screen after Name of the Doctor. QED (or, as the Doctor would say, "Think it through".)
@@nairrdlairrd that was my thought back in 2013
My assumption was that the Shalka Master was a direct continuation of Eric Roberts being eaten by the Eye of Harmony.
As soon as Grant's Doctor was shown and confirmed, I said "Big Finish is gonna run with this!"
Please, please, please, please! 🙏🙏
I think Paul Cornell at some point suggested the Shalka Doctor was being sent places by the Time Lords after they retreated into the Matrix from a war with another species. My HC now is that Shalka is a Timeless Doctor from during the *First* Great Time War, and that this Master is a spare copy of the War Master’s consciousness he stored in an android body before becoming Professor Yana, who the Shalka Doctor at some point meets. Easy to imagine the “they” sending him places are the Division.
Or the CIA.
It's interesting to contrast Nine and Shalka - both being dark Doctors capable of intense moments, but Nine never loses his warmth or love of adventure. He's friendly and approachable, despite his scars, and that quality makes the heavy stuff land much harder. Whereas Shalka seems to have some of TV Six's worst traits - mean, arrogant and condescending. He may be more 'alien' in that way, but is he actually either a better Doctor, or a protagonist, because of that?
With the Toymaker re-writing the Doctor's history, as they said, think this could be a bi-generation of the War Doctor into this 9th and the 9th we know that they don't remember?
So you’re saying there’s two 9th Doctors?
It is a possibility now. I am unsure I want them to do a deeper dive on this. That one line by the Toymaker about rewriting the Doctor’s history opens up so much that is helpful but most is best to leave to the imagination I think.
He said he's had 9 faces though. But this would be his 10th. Could be bi-generation of the 8th doctor.
@@velaethia6 8 directly regenerated into the War Doctor. I think it would make more sense if War Doctor bi-generated.
@@JamesLawner yeah your right
My head canon for the Fugitive Doctor is the season 6b theory, between Troughoton and Pertwee. If we extend this to the Shelka Doctor, and consider the 'all nine of me' remark, it would imply at least seven season 6b Doctors (which may or may not include the Fugitive Doctor). Works for me.
There was a backstory to the "Shalka Master" on the original BBC website. Apparently the Master & Doctor fought alongside each other against an enemy attacking Galifrey & the Master was saved by the Doctor. I remember watching Shalka when it came out.. had to watch at work as 2003 home PCs wer rough.
The revival actually owes A LOT to Scream of the Shalka. When they started developing this there were a mass pile of rights issues they had to sort out, some involving pepperpot like aliens. When Russel T. ran across these same issues he was told of this series... and the fact they'd sorted out most of the issues in developing their series of ongoing adventures.
As someone who takes a rather loose view on what is canonical, I love it when showrunners or comic writers find things on the edges of “what counts” and find good stuff in there to include.
I haven't seen this since it first aired, but looking at the images brings me such a warm feeling of nostalgia. I was ready for REG's Doctor to have adventures with Alison and the robo-Master. I bought the novelization. I stayed late at work to watch these, since my internet at home was still dial-up, and school was faster. And I remember initially being GUTTED when the announcement that REG wouldn't be the live-action 9th Doctor was made. For a brief window, REG WAS the 9th Doctor, even after the announcement that the show was coming back. The people on the Yahoo Doctor Who mailing list were so stoked for new live-action, and just waiting for the announcement for REG. And then it was Christopher Eccleston, whom I'd never heard of, and had to rely on others to tell me who he was. I watched 28 Days Later just because it was something he was in that was accessible to me at the time. And I fell in love with his Doctor right away - from the first "Run!" - but I was still sad in those early, pre-"Rose" days, that Richard E. wasn't the "real" Doctor.
This video makes me want to rewatch, since I've got Shalka on DVD now. It's been 20 years or so since I watched it, and just the clips shown here remind me of how much I loved it. Thank you for a trip down memory lane, Vera! And I am beyond excited that RTD made the Shalka!Doctor canon!
See what you think of this: once the Great Intelligence enters the Doctor's timestream, he infiltrates a regeneration moment to become an ultimately short lived alternate but actual incarnation. For this, I'm going to plump for the regeneration of the War Doctor seen in The Day of the Doctor. As we don't see the full transformation, it's here that history is rewritten. It's a slight fudge, especially given the Andy Warhol line, but it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the War Doctor encountered Warhol during the Time War or something.
This alt-9th Doctor's existence was ultimately nullified by Clara entering the Doctor's timestream, but it was a face the Doctor briefly had.
One last thing: the Shalka Doctor had one other official adventure, in the BBC online short story The Feast of the Stone, which I believe is still available.
I like the idea that The Great Intelligence couldn't resist taking a body that looks like one of The Doctor's past lives when it had the opportunity.
@@andrewbowman4611 I like that idea
The thing about Scream of the Shalka is it's actually closer to what a stereotypical 2000s reboot of Doctor Who would've been expected to be - a dark, edgy, almost humourless Doctor (indeed, you can describe the supporting cast in similar terms), still in Edwardian garb, that goes for a grittier, more grounded setting while also haphazardly shoving elements in from the old show (UNIT, a robot clone of the Master) that aren't so much worldbuilding as just 'hey, that was a thing from the old show'. It really highlights how wrong 'Rose' could've gone if it hadn't found the sweet spot of being a good introduction while using the show's past to create mystery, instead of 'hey, remember that?'
I'm curious as to when the last time you rewatched it was. Because while it's darker overall I would call neither the Doctor himself nor the supporting cast humorless. They give Grant some solid zingers in this, and the supporting character of Greeves is actually quite funny. But a lot of that gets undercut by the limitation of the animation, which is nobody's expression changes significantly. All the characters have pretty locked in facial expressions, even for moments where a grin or a smirk might be fitting, but that's because a completely new expression meant a whole new art asset and this thing had the budget of a middling brunch.
@@CouncilofGeeks Which why I said 'almost humourless', and the stiffness likely contributes to that.
I honestly wish they'd give the Doctor a more Edwardian outfit again, I know it's really a meaningless nitpick, but I do generally prefer more dated clothes for the Doctor.
I mean my favourite of NuWho is 11's purple outfit, it was absolutely brilliant, it definitely evoked the Doctor's style in the classic series.
It's actually not explicitly said that the army is UNIT.
1) You know that David Tennant in the Shalka was the most excited he was for a couple of years until he got cast as the Doctor...
2) Could you imagine Richard E. Grant's Doctor going up against the Great Intelligence?
Ah yes, 'Scream of the Shalka', one of Tennant's many Wilderness Years/pre Doctor appearances (can't remember if this released before his early Big Finish audios like Colditz)...
Well Colditz was released in 2001 and Scream of the Shalka was released in 2003
@@plows2940 thanks. Also weird how many Big Finish audios he appeared in (or in Dalek Empire 3's case, was a main character of) before becoming the Doctor...
@@Jedi_Spartanyeah apparently he's already a big fan of Doctor Who so I have a feeling he did these not thinking he would get to play the doctor
Paul Cornell also wrote Father's Day, one of the best episodes of the modern era
And Human Nature, one of my favourite books period
I love The Shalka Ninth Doctor so much and Richard E. Grant is one of all-time favourite actors. The fact this Easter Egg happened I still haven't gotten over, I am still buzzing over it.
You know, it’s good to talk about random nerd stuff rather than depressing things happening in reality and/or just reviewing episodes as they come out
I enjoyed the Sound of Shalka iteration of the Doctor. I always assumed the War Doctor regenerated into him. (Moffat mentioned in DWM that he specifically didn't show Hurt regenerating into Eccleston because E declined to be involved in the 50th anniversary, and hiring a stand-in would be disrespectful to E's wishes.)
So in my "head canon" I deduced Hurt changed into Grant, but wasn't quite imprinted (like Romana in Destiny of the Daleks) and shifted into Eccleston, where his form finally set. But I like your idea that Grant's Dr. is contemporary to Martin's. I am not easily persuaded, but you have given me a perspective to contemplate. Thank you for showing me a different angle.
So happy that this channel exists! ❤ I've been so heart broken over the coverage of this series both in regular media and social media 😢
I don't see this as canonising the Shalka Doctor but it does open up the possibility of it. We only see an actor's face, there is no direct reference to that Doctor. Given that Grant's Great Intelligence was also messing around in the Doctor's timestream, I have to leave that open as another possibility, although the Shalka version is more likely.
Oh so he went into the timeline and became a version of the doctor like a mini piece of him got stuck in the doctors timeline. Could be a cool retcon although a bit specific
@@Venemofthe888 Sort of. Not so much that he became a version of the Doctor at that time but yes, one of the fragments stayed there hidden and ready for a future re-appearance. No retcon is needed as it was never established that the GI was completely removed from the Doctor's timeline, only that Clara stopped him from destroying all the Doctors.
I still think the Shalka Doctor is more likely but I can't call it canon, not yet. 🙂
My preferred way of interpretating The Shelka Doctor is that he is the byproduct of "Name of the Doctor" and some aspect of the Great Intelligence escaped that story by merging with a long suppressed aspect of The Doctor (preferably The Dream Lord) before manifesting out from The Doctor's time scar.
Also, the unnamed deceased companion that The Doctor is morning throughout "Scream of the Shalka" was the manifestation of Clara that spawned along side him, destined to die saving The Doctor, but this time GI would be The Doctor. I would choose to call her Time Lady Oswin istead of Clara. She was stated to have been the daughter of the Lord President of Gallifrey by the extra materials realeased for Shalka.
What I like about this idea is that it alows The Shalka Doctor to be more than just another incarnation of The Doctor. Being an amalgamation of The Doctor's inner-most darkness with the ego of the Great Intelligence would allow this Doctor to go places the main Doctor could never go. He could be a Shadow Doctor painted in darker and darker hues until he discards the name of The Doctor in favour of something else. At least this is how I'd like to interpret The Shalka Doctor.
@@42ndLife and that name would/could be The Valeyard
My initial reaction to the many faces rotating, was “What about the Curator and the Watcher?”
It didn't show all faces did it? Even of the main doctor.
It says something about the quality of these videos that even though I don't watch tv, am not hugely into Doctor Who, and don't follow pop culture much in general, I still find these videos interesting.
I watched "Scream of the Shalka" on the "big screen" at the 2004 Galifrey One con (boy, I just aged myself). I remember the rumor going around that the show would soon be revived by someone named Russell T. Davies ... but I didn't believe it.
I don't remember much of the story itself except I renenber liking Allison.
I've seen Scream of the Shalka, actually, it was on a more obscure DVD I got with some other doctor who animated pieces, namely The Infinite Quest with Ten and Martha, The Animated Reconstruction of Shalka, and the Animated Reconstruction of The Power of the Daleks (although annoyingly in color.). I thought it was decent, if held back. I'd love to see a follow up to it, honestly.
Also, funny story about the David Tennant cameo, apparently he was doing an audio drama right next door to the studio that was doing the voice recording for Scream of the Shalka, he found out about it and visited and was offered a small cameo. Needless to say he jumped at the chance. Pretty sure he had no idea where that would lead him...
@@imrustyokay don’t you mean the animated reconstruction of Shada not Shalka
Didn't the Eighth Doctor first become canonized in The Family of Blood when we saw his sketch in John Smith's diary alongside the classic Doctors?
Oh dammit, you’re right.
Some Eight deniers were really ticked off. Heehee
You could even say that Ten saying "half a dozen times since we last met" canonised Eight (even though at the time it wasn't even true, because the last time he saw her was as the Fifth Doctor! Although retroactively it's true due to War)
I think you can say The Next Doctor specifically canonises the Movie though, since that clip is taken from the Movie.
Wasn't the Eighth Doctor always canon even before the new who?
@pixman2581 depends on who you talked to. He was in the books and audios, but they weren't canon
The Doctor looks like Dracula.
Thanks for this, Vera. I’m still in my infancy knowledge wise with Classic Who / Wilderness Years so this was v helpful!
I own Scream of the Shalka on DVD and only rewatched it a couple of weeks ago I love it so much. I was thrilled it got made cannon and definitely want to draw the Doctors Warhol style.
The Shalka doctor could easily be the 9th pre-hartnell incarnation of the Doctor. By 9th I would think 9th after they began calling themselves the Doctor
Your explanation of the animation limitations explains why I kept having an Uncanny Valley response to every single clip. 😅
At the time it was so exciting to have new Doctor Who, even sitting at the computer with that animation.
Interesting. Thanks for the the Shalka rundown!
The animation is fine. In world where Southpark is still going strong, I don't think we need to apologize for Shalka.
Love this Doctor and this Tardis crew and would love to see them brought back.
I'd be happy with some BF stories or a comic book.
I'd worry about the continuity, but between the Chibnall era and there now being three David Tennant's running around, I'm done fighting that battle.
My favourite part was where his mobile phone turned into the TARDIS.
with all the susan stuff in the recent episode i wonder if they are setting up richard e grants doctor as the father of Susan’s parent and the doctor immediately before Hartnell
I get the sense that Davies is one of those fans who counts basically everything as canon no matter how little sense it makes. The Shalka Doctor is obscure even in a lot of fan circles. I mean, I’m superior because I watched the Clever Dick Films documentary series. In any event, it is cute, though I don’t know if it’s gonna lead to something. I mean, one does not simply invoke Scream of the Shalka, right?
The Doctor states where he lands he is the Ninth Doctor. The Master is the War Master and he worked with the war doctor over the time war. So it puts an one off where the reboot doctors lay. So technically there is seventeen known doctors. The fugitive Doctor before William Hartel and Richard just before the reboot ninth Doctor.
Can’t wait for more content!
I always knew all about the Shalka Doctor and had seen his animated websites, but I watched this anyway because watching your videos is fun.
I like the idea of bringing the Shalka Doctor into canon. I’m not thinking too heavily about what it means though.
Back when the War Doctor was new I thought it would have been great to cast Richard E Grant as the War Doctor and make the Shalka Doctor the War Doctor. Given that he was the lost doctor, it seemed fitting to me.
Since Bi-Generation is a thing now. I like to think the Shalka Doctor split from the War Doctor as we never see him fully regenerate, despite seeing a glimpse of Eccleston.
Honestly since Eccleston does not want to come back on the show itself I could see them having Richard E grants doctor stand in for 9 if they ever want to do a anonther multi-doctor
I wonder if this might be a tease for the next Doctor, though seeing the comments here I'm interested in this being treated like an alternate timeline 9th Doctor or a 9th Pre-Hartnell Doctor. There's definitely room thanks to the Timeless Child so I wonder what they'll do...
I have Shalka on DVD, they released it for the 50th anniversary year. In the making-of feature, it was explained by the creators that Shalka was meant to be the first of four serials with the Grant Doctor, but various production and budget issues whittled it down to one story. No-one from the BBC even told them their project was being superseded as canon, they simply heard the news when it was publicly announced. They were gutted. Understandably so. That's why there are so many dangling threads.
Now the wait for Big Finish to do the cheeky thing with this Doctor vs NuWho's The Great Intelligence.
What if this is the version of the 9th Doctor that 8 would've become if he'd regenerated naturally? Perhaps back in the universe as a result of all of Russell's bigeneration shenanigans?
Wow ty for this! Surely this is the most comprehensive breakdown of this obscure lore anywhere on the internet 😅
She ran so we could walk 🥰
I clocked that the Shalka Doctor seemed like someone close in time to the Fugitive Doctor also. I honestly hope that this is RTD's way of working them into the main timeline after Hartnell, since it makes no sense for the Fugitive Doctor's Tardis to be a police box unless she's after Hartnell. Maybe these two are a parallel branch from the Time War or some such.
Thank you for the video, Vera!
It was very interesting! It is cool how this animated webseries first introduced themes which would be explored later in the main live-action series, such as the Doctor travelling alongside the Master/Missy in the TARDIS. And the main voice cast later having roles in the main TV series is also cool (even David Tennant was in it! LOL).
I do also agree about Richard E. Grant's Shalka Doctor appearing in the main series being probably just a cool easter egg. It seems to me that Russel T. Davies is having some fun looking at the expanded media of Doctor Who and saying: "Everything is canon, and it is also not canon at the same time."
I've always considered the Shalka timeline to have been a version of history which was lost/over written because of the Time War, given Richard E Grant's incarnation was specifically the ninth Doctor and it's heavily implied he went through his own version of the conflict.
My head cannon was always, in another realty, Peter Cushing's Doctor regenerated into Richard E Grant.
The nature of the movie Doctor was never established. But he is different enough that his name is actually Doctor Who and he built his own TARDIS on Earth.
Perhaps he is human. Perhaps he is Rose's duplicate Doctor in the alternate reality, but decades down the line. Either way, he wouldn't have the gift of regeneration.
@@jonadams5277 Or a chameleon arch.
@@travishiltz4750 I've always preferred the "Toymaker" theory where Peter Cushing is a distant future incarnation forced to relive his past adventures.
@@mrdoctorgilmore Do like the idea that the Cushing Doctor might exist in a separate universe created by the Toymaker, so he could have a Doctor to play with.
and that when the Cushing Doctor meets the Toymaker he should look like Christopher Lee!
I think the animation's a bit ropey because it was animated in Adobe Flash for the web wasn't it?
Yeah, I don't think it was ever expected to be seen on DVDs and later proper streaming. I think it's actually quite good for the time. But maybe I'm just old.
Yup - the fact that the official release was Adobe Flash adds an additional technical hurdle to watching this today, if you can find it. It’s not insurmountable, and plenty of people converted it to a proper video format long before Flash’s demise, but it could still be a problem.
@@NicoleM_radiantbabyI’m with you: by Flash animation standards, _Scream of the Shalka_ is good-to-excellent.
I've always thought of the Shalka Doctor as an alternate timeline version of 9, if there was no time war. So, originally the 8th Doctor regenerates into the Shalka 9th, but the time war happens. The 8th Doctor is involved, so his Timeline is affected. Instead of what would have happened, he crashes on Karn and regenerates into the War Doctor. I think the Fugitive Doctor is an alternate reality second doctor. Originally, the first Doctor regenerates much earlier than the series of events we see on screen. Because of that, in the alternate timeline, it's Fugitive that takes the Tardis and gets the it stuck as a police box when the chameleon circuit breaks. It was implied that before the creation of the induction barrier, Timelords went back into their own history. Maybe the Doctor becomes the Other that way, and also impacts his timeline. We don't see the first Doctor until he is very old and past the point of needing to regenerate.
For me, if two different incarnations do many of the same things, the obvious answer is alternate timeline. This particularly works if there is some piece of established lore that would facilitate such a story line.
I don't think RTD cares about lore though. I think there is a thing this season where fiction is creeping into the real universe. I also think RTD likes laughing at people he sees as taking things to seriously. So it may be a troll for people who will immediately jump on it and start acting like people from the beginning of The Giggle without a zeedex.
Something funny about this Doctor suddenly becoming canon from a guy who once wrote the line, "Paul McGann doesnt count".
Not sure where he actually leaned at the time, juat funny.
Scream of the Shalka will always "count" in my head canon.
I'm sorry to answer some more related questions, the Doctor who magazine the following was explained.
- the doctor had retired to gallifrey, fallen in love with the gallifreyan president's daughter and given up running around being the doctor.
- most of the people on gallifrey die in a great war with another alien race (fan suspect it's the daleks)
-All the remaining time Lords aside from the doctor fled into the matrix. And the Doctor set the Masters consciousness installed in a robot.
-oh and because of the doctors failure to save gallifrey and the president's daughter who died in all the fighting, he's banished and forced to go wherever he's needed, even though he's given up on being the Doctor a long time ago
The explanation I was looking for is some context of creation. This story is on my animated doctor who DVD collection without any explanation for why it was created. The 8th doctor Shada story from the same year, which appears an even less expensive production, is in the Doctor Who legacy collection also without explanation. If Shalka was the price of a sassuage sandwhich, then in 2003 (40th anniversary) they created 12 episodes of doctor who without paying for 2 sassuage sandwhiches. On the web I found a 2002 orphaned episode, real time, starring the sixth doctor which ends in a never resolved cliffhanger, implying there was some idea of snimating a sxth doctor serial but it was dropped with one episode broadcast. Also on the web I found a 2001 seventh doctor serial that also has Ace and the Brigadier which gives the Doctor god like powers. All five episodes of this serial appear to have been produced in 2001. Actually, I like the Shada serial and the Shalka serial, and I think Richard E Grants voice acting was good. I explanation I was looking for who was who set out revive the Doctor in the 2001-2003 period, and why it was attempted with almost no budget. I am also curious why they would release Real Time with no second episode.
Such an interesting incarnation. I would to see Big Finish do something with this Doctor, the possibilities! I think I saw this, it was so long ago in my timeline. Yeah rough on the animation, but still interesting. Thanks for talking about this incarnation
What’s the betting that we find out that The War Doctor bigenerated after the events of Day Of The Doctor?
Loved SotS, but that’s primarily due to my love of Sophie Okonedo! Great breakdown 💜💜➕🌈🟦
Funny how his doctor is “canonised” in the episode written by the loki team played by a loki actor when he has such a loki coded costume design XD
Hoping they do a remaster or re-release of this - I commented I would love to see it released again and RTD gave me a heart on his insta, so think chances are good. Also, desperately want Big Finish stories with Shalka Doctor now.
Is it possible that we actually saw The Great Intelligence and not the Shalka Doctor? Considering he had twisted himself so deeply in The Doctor's time stream that perhaps the faces shown were a bit confused?
Could be possible lore wise, but it was meant to be the Shalka Doctor, as the VFX team said
13:23 having one of my favourite youtubers accidentally say my name was not on my bing card for today but it's a pleasant suprise
It doesn’t need to fit. Because the Toymaker made a puzzle out his history.
I watched it as it was dropped online. It was exciting! I also watched BBC's other animated webisodes Death Comes to Time, and Real Time (great story, but spooked me so much I can't rewatch it 😨😆).
The android Master I loved. I remember being puzzled by who the Doctor was talking to, then it was revealed, and 🤯. That was great. Their banter was wonderful. I also remember liking the story overall.
My theory is he could be an alternate, season 6B Third Doctor, either as a younger Third or a regeneration between 2 and 3. Since he’s working for the Time Lords, that does track with the Season 6B theory. And if he is a new incarnation, the Time Lords could totally have given him an extra one or two to fulfill his work for them and his subsequent exile.
I think it's more that he's worked with Grant since on other projects and has a better feel for the actor and his range. I don't think I like the idea of canonizing the cartoon directly, but I always interpreted it as solf-canon for events prior to Eckleson. If they fully Canonize Grant I would want a crossover episode with Gatwa, Grant and Whittaker where it's the same gist as the Hurt doctor
If I were to make Scream of the Shalka canon, as a showrunner, I'd adjust the timing to make the story take place during the same era that Jo Grant's fugitive doctor was active, and make the "they" that were sending him places the same people she was working for/fleeing from. I have no idea if RTD will handle it that way (or even address it at all) though.
Lmao jo grant
I meant to type Jo Martin of course.
Oh - wait - nEw thought --- In the novels and in the last of the 6th Doctor audio it is explored that future Doctors are floating around in the Doctor's unconscious, forming for when they are needed. In one book, I think it was Head Games, the 7th persona was actively trying to force out 6ey cause he thought he was screwing up! Wouldn't it be wild if Richard Grant were the next Doctor? 16? Never happen, but would be funny.
Your sound is a bit off. Did the audio mess up?
I put a visual note at the front apologizing for that. My good mic didn't record.
@@CouncilofGeeks Oh, I didn't see that. My bad.
The problem with working out where to place him is he identifies himself as the ninth.
Just wanting to point out that it’s called THE Curse of FATAL Death, not “Curse of the Fatal”. :)
I've seen an explanation for android master traveling with the doctor but I don't know where it's from, if it's the novelization or something else
20:23 I charted out the Timeless Children, and, if you put Jo Martin right after them, she’s #8. She could’ve very well regenerated into Richard E Grant.
I love your hair its really cute (also sorry that this comment is off topic from the video)
I've always assumed that when The Great Intelligence when into the The Doctor's timeline at the end of The Name of the Doctor one version of him became the Doctor, and that's who the Shalka Doctor is. And why his canonicity is sketchy.
I hope we ether get this reanimated now it's cannon aswell as an explanation of how I would assume after War could only make sense since we didn't see him regenerate & I would asuume they don't wanna breakw the 9-15 order we've seen since 2005 or even Richard E Grant doing Big Finnish stories as The Doctor
If they ever wanted to go the Valeyard route, this might be the way to do it
I want them to just slot everything into "Series 6B".
The audio quality is giving flatcap Council of Geeks, safe to say the quality of the content itself is an upgrade tho ❤️
Also if they're pulling out random weird canon (Susan), can we canonicly confirm that The Doctor is half-human on his mother''s side?
Wait- if it wasn't until The Next Doctor that fully canonized Mcganns incarnation, what were the 9th and 10th Doctors called in marketing? Because 9 and 10 being names would acknowledge 8 in the numbering
I wonder if Richard E Grant was made aware of this canonisation before this new series went live??
They took new images of him for use as the hologram. He knew.
Considering RTD slated Grant's performance at the time and has since changed his mind. It wouldn't surprise me if we see the Shalka Doctor. Bi-generation and all that
Okay so I would pay ALL MY MONEY (okay, not much) for them to canonize Mr Bean (Rowan Atkinson) in some similar throwaway blip.
I'm trying to think about if they're going to make him Canon. Where? I think he could be one of the doctors unknown about of "pre first doctors". But he said all 9 faces but timeless child doctor went through probably hundreds of faces while being experimented on. Another option could be the war doctor. We see the war doctor young and old this could be the war doctor in a bit of a middle age. Though since the master is a robot maybe the doctor is also a robot.
I still maintain the Fugitive Doctor is between 2 and 3 based on the Tardis's appearance. Shalka would fit here too.
Fugitive being between 2 & 3 makes the most sense to me too - she knows what a sonic screwdriver is (2 was the first to use one on-screen) but doesn't take it seriously because she hasn't yet added all the extra functions that we've seen later Doctors use, 2 into 3 was the only Classic Who Regeneration we didn't see, and of course, the TARDIS already being a Police box
@@ZoeMalDoran Yes indeed. Couple that with the knowledge that the Timelords can add in and remove regenerations, even whole cycles, and it fits nicely.
Derek Jacobi played The Master in "Scream of the Shalka", and is now a canon Master so why not make Richard E Grant an official Doctor. I picked the Doctor is being push around time and space by the guardians
They are obviously going to do something with this cause why tease something to get people talking and not do anything. All you will do is piss off the fanbase that way. He's the 3rd (arguably 1st) version of the doctor not to be given a number along with the War Doctor and Fugitive Doctor. I do wonder if they are trying to move away from the numbering system or something different in that respect.
The Toymaker did say he played with the doctors timeline like a puzzle and perhaps this version of the doctor comes from a split timeline or something like that. Thats getting into speculation but i do think Russel will do something with this. Maybe not right away but i think eventually even if he hated it originally
It's for exactly the reason you started with. To get people talking. Easter eggs and references are a method of advertising.
SOTS for me is ... fine, like 7 out of 10 or so. I do like Grant's performance, and Jacobi's.
I think ultimately the decision to canonize this Doctor is not an indication that Russell t Davis has changed his mind and likes this Doctor. I think it's more a message to the fansthat anything and everything can be cannon or not cannon. It's a statement to stop caring so much about the rules and the lore of the show.
I've heard about this series on multiple occasions but never dove deeper into it. I really should give it a watch sometime, the animation style would just be nostalgic so I'd be able to get past it 😂
Given how common fan reanimating are I wonder if there is one of this, maybe it’s in the works, though your history with the BBC & copyright might be the biggest deterrent
Man, I am such a long-time mega-fan of 'Scream of the Shalka' -- in fact, IMO, Shalka!Nine is WAAAAAY more interesting to me than Eccleston!Nine. (And truly wish for more stories with him, Allison, and his android boyfriend) ❤❤
Still, I think the most interesting this to me about this canonization is that RTD has been on the record for ages as HATING Shalka. In fact he's even said he hated REG's porformance calling it 'lazy' and 'phoned it' (SMDH!), so I have to wonder if he's come around or what. [EDITED TO ADD: Commented before finishing the video, so this was already touched on later in the vid]
Only time will tell, I guess.
P.S. I do really love the homoerotic queer elements of this story, btw. The whole Doctor with an android that looks like the Master in what seems like 'The Odd Couple' pairing (I mean that answering machine message is so shippy) is PERFECTION in my eyes.
The Eight Doctor and the Shalka Doctor should go on holiday by mistake.
I am leaning towards the theory that _Withnail and I_ is actually a multi-Doctor story.
Missy was perfect!😢,its sad saxon choosed still lying to himself that never standing with the doctor is what the master always really wanted ,i hope the next master...after O or spy master can realize that and show the doctor evidence that missy wanted to reedeem and stand with the doctor!
As a fan of Sealab 2021, I look forward to watching the cheesy animation!