I don't think this symbol should be banned for one reason if you banned it the people who use it for hate win. we must protect ancient history and symbols without letting hateful people use them as tools of hate.
All I've ever seen it used for.. Heritage, Family, Unity,, for Neo Fascist.. I understand that sucks completely.. Also the Thor Hammer . Necklace or tattoo.. it's the cop out White Pride .. not White Power etc.. National Socialist German Workers party.. or Nazi, obviously it attempted to create it's own unique and Of course German mythology which it lacks.. well, stole from everyone.. As far as banning.. it's stupidity outright , but in our modern world.. it's non-stop propaganda against a Paper tiger.. Cheers from Orange County California 🇺🇸.. 50 years old, our Punk Music history unfortunately also spawned the Neo Fascist, and Prison culture..
But what is the meaning of the feet in nazi? and the meaning of this odal rune in nazi? I am curious of this too. They should have reason to add a feet.
It's said that the "feet" or "legs" added to symbols like the Odal rune in Nazi symbols didn't have their own special meaning. They were just decorative parts used to make the symbols look unique, following the Nazis' style choices for their symbols.
Extremist have a very bad habit of hijacking symbols and redefining their meaning. IMO we should retake these symbols and give them back their original [non-hateful] meaning. Symbolic appropriation can happen to any group of people regardless of race, religion, political affiliation or other perceived difference. The runic symbols belong to the NORSE/GERMANIC people of Northern Europe ❤ and deserve proper respect and appreciation.
Disclaimer: I'm not recommending you change the title one way or another btw. I'm simply pointing out that like it or not it's not true now. I know what you mean. I'm just reminding that context is important and nowadays it has that significance, like it or not. I also am not offended one way or another. I think it's a real shame that once something is (mis-)appropriated by some groups most people cannot let it mean anything else. I think that's not helpful. But even so it still shouldn't be denied that it was taken. -- I don't know about your title. Originally sure. But it was (mis)appropriated by the Nazis and to try and remove that association is not necessarily good because it can justify it WHEN (keyword) it's used for hatred - which in general is when it's used. Neo-Nazis use it. It likely would cause problems (offence) for those affected directly by the NSDAP too. I'm not one of them but I am a history buff with a speciality in Nazi Germany and the Second World War, having over 40 books on the subject and spending many many years on the era. That doesn't mean that it should be forever referred to as ONLY an NSDAP symbol. That is reductionism and never good. Besides the swastika (Hakenkreuz in German - 'hooked cross') is all over the world. It's on many buildings in England. I've seen it on furniture. I see it all over the place in pictures, unintentional and otherwise, and I've even seen lava formations of it! That was quite a sight and I thought it was rather cool (I also love volcanoes). Then there are the infamous swastika woods... Unfortunately people tend to be reductionists which makes the taking it back idea difficult. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea: it just means it's going to be difficult. So historically it's interesting but unfortunately to claim it is not a Nazi symbol is simply not true any more: it most certainly is a Nazi symbol even if it has other meanings in addition.
On the other hand .. I can see it the other way too. Because it isn't originally by them. They took it. It's not the best analogy but it's like claiming that a plagiariser is the true author. Plagiarism is irrelevant here. But they took something that was not their own and now one cannot or should not forget how it was used. I don't think collecting them is wrong either. I have some Nazi propaganda things from the time because I'm fascinated with the time. Putting them on display is another matter entirely of course though some countries allow it and others not at all. .. so take the comments - both - with a pinch of salt ...
No offence, but you're obviously biased because of your extensive research on the subject of nazism. While it is important to keep those parts of history alive its rather easy to let specific symbolism lose its meaning by not giving it any weight. If you walk around a city today with a drawing of an Othala rune and ask anyone
Just because something is abused in a horrific way does not make that thing horrific. That is reductionism. That never is helpful. One should never forget how it was used but that does not make IT the problem. The same is in reverse: if something bad is used in a good way does that make the thing good? Or does it mean it was USED in a good way? Yes this happens.
Definitely should not be banned. The good are already punished too often for the bad or I’ll-willed people of the world.
I don't think this symbol should be banned for one reason if you banned it the people who use it for hate win. we must protect ancient history and symbols without letting hateful people use them as tools of hate.
All I've ever seen it used for.. Heritage, Family, Unity,, for Neo Fascist.. I understand that sucks completely..
Also the Thor Hammer . Necklace or tattoo.. it's the cop out White Pride .. not White Power etc..
National Socialist German Workers party.. or Nazi, obviously it attempted to create it's own unique and Of course German mythology which it lacks.. well, stole from everyone..
As far as banning.. it's stupidity outright , but in our modern world.. it's non-stop propaganda against a Paper tiger..
Cheers from Orange County California 🇺🇸.. 50 years old, our Punk Music history unfortunately also spawned the Neo Fascist, and Prison culture..
We have a city in russia with odal rune at the symbol, called little vishera.
very interesting. I'll go soon to have it tattooed on chest, besides Thor's hammer.
But what is the meaning of the feet in nazi? and the meaning of this odal rune in nazi? I am curious of this too. They should have reason to add a feet.
It's said that the "feet" or "legs" added to symbols like the Odal rune in Nazi symbols didn't have their own special meaning. They were just decorative parts used to make the symbols look unique, following the Nazis' style choices for their symbols.
I got this tattooed on my neck with some of my close family members. Now everyone thinks we are racist. I should have watched this video beforehand …
Extremist have a very bad habit of hijacking symbols and redefining their meaning. IMO we should retake these symbols and give them back their original [non-hateful] meaning. Symbolic appropriation can happen to any group of people regardless of race, religion, political affiliation or other perceived difference. The runic symbols belong to the NORSE/GERMANIC people of Northern Europe ❤ and deserve proper respect and appreciation.
We agree 100%
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It's terrible that almost every symbol imaginable can be, and has been used for hate.
It really is unfortunate!
Disclaimer: I'm not recommending you change the title one way or another btw. I'm simply pointing out that like it or not it's not true now. I know what you mean. I'm just reminding that context is important and nowadays it has that significance, like it or not. I also am not offended one way or another. I think it's a real shame that once something is (mis-)appropriated by some groups most people cannot let it mean anything else. I think that's not helpful. But even so it still shouldn't be denied that it was taken.
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I don't know about your title. Originally sure. But it was (mis)appropriated by the Nazis and to try and remove that association is not necessarily good because it can justify it WHEN (keyword) it's used for hatred - which in general is when it's used. Neo-Nazis use it. It likely would cause problems (offence) for those affected directly by the NSDAP too. I'm not one of them but I am a history buff with a speciality in Nazi Germany and the Second World War, having over 40 books on the subject and spending many many years on the era.
That doesn't mean that it should be forever referred to as ONLY an NSDAP symbol. That is reductionism and never good. Besides the swastika (Hakenkreuz in German - 'hooked cross') is all over the world. It's on many buildings in England. I've seen it on furniture. I see it all over the place in pictures, unintentional and otherwise, and I've even seen lava formations of it! That was quite a sight and I thought it was rather cool (I also love volcanoes). Then there are the infamous swastika woods...
Unfortunately people tend to be reductionists which makes the taking it back idea difficult. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea: it just means it's going to be difficult.
So historically it's interesting but unfortunately to claim it is not a Nazi symbol is simply not true any more: it most certainly is a Nazi symbol even if it has other meanings in addition.
On the other hand .. I can see it the other way too. Because it isn't originally by them. They took it. It's not the best analogy but it's like claiming that a plagiariser is the true author. Plagiarism is irrelevant here. But they took something that was not their own and now one cannot or should not forget how it was used.
I don't think collecting them is wrong either. I have some Nazi propaganda things from the time because I'm fascinated with the time. Putting them on display is another matter entirely of course though some countries allow it and others not at all.
.. so take the comments - both - with a pinch of salt ...
Thanks for taking the time to comment and sharing your perspective!
No offence, but you're obviously biased because of your extensive research on the subject of nazism. While it is important to keep those parts of history alive its rather easy to let specific symbolism lose its meaning by not giving it any weight. If you walk around a city today with a drawing of an Othala rune and ask anyone
Original yes
It's an evil symbol
Why ?
Is not
Just because something is abused in a horrific way does not make that thing horrific. That is reductionism. That never is helpful. One should never forget how it was used but that does not make IT the problem. The same is in reverse: if something bad is used in a good way does that make the thing good? Or does it mean it was USED in a good way? Yes this happens.
The Swazttika represented prosperity and good luck was also taken and wrecked by the Nazties.
Then the Christian cross should be banned because of all of the millions upon millions of people who were slaughtered for not converting!