That guy in front of you was riding like an escort for the pushbikes. Your positioning made you look like you were joining him and compounded the issue that then provoked the stupid driving by the white van. The two motorbikes became part of the obstacle. Being cautious and respectful is good, being overly cautious creates problems.
There's a fine line between riding defensively and respectfully and becoming part of the obstruction yourself. These two motorcycles went unnecessarily way over cautious and became part of the obstruction. One thing I learned when I was doing advanced riding was not to become part of someone else's problem.
@@anthonysimpson5801 I disagree with you Sir, the camera elongates the picture, all the road users were first of all close to the T junction right blind turn, then the T junction left turn, then the right hand bend with a blind summit in the distance. Everyone is missing the point of this film, it was about the van driver overtaking and, quite clearly, turning left on the wrong side of the road with for them a blind right bend. Anyway thanks for viewing and commenting it all helps with our thinking
@@JohnPatrick58 The impression you give to any other road user in that situation is that you are escorting the cyclists. Especially with the type of bikes and all the day-glo gear. Try to get away from thinking of it simply from your own point of view and think of it from other road users perspective. There is no doubt in my mind that you pushed the van driver towards making a rash and irresponsible move because he was frustrated with the scenario he was presented with. If you had been thinking of it from the van driver's perspective you would have overtaken the cyclists sooner and removed yourself from being a part of the hazard. The classic mistake many drivers make is to simply claim "I was in the right" and look no deeper. No-one is disputing that, but you could definitely have taken steps to alleviate the situation. Read the other comments, I am not the only one who thinks the same. I say this from the perspective of a ROSPA Gold standard advanced rider. "Everyone is missing the point of this film?" Have you even considered alternative points of view?
You sort of created the issue yourself. Leaving such a big gap between you and the Honda Xtourer, was adding to the frustration for the van driver. You were riding as if you were escorting them. Close the gap, and with a few snappy overtakes you would have passed the cyclists. I see this all the time amongst IAM where it's encouraged to give a large safety bubble, when all that's needed is 1 metre.
Cyclist need to read the rules they brought out only travel two abreast maximum and then only when safe, with mr white van man nearly taking them out why did they not realise it was not safe. Try riding around Reading or Henley these people seem to think it is safe for them to take up the whole road and not just the left then they abuse the drivers coming at them when they are on the wrong side and expect them to stop and let them through.
As in the UK you don't need a license to ride a pedal bicycle I presume it's very different for any sanctions to be taken against offenders, we licensed road users just have to suck it up and not try to get too upset about it, which at times is difficult. Thank you for your interesting and constructive comment. Regards John from sunny Devon UK
Learn to speak English properly before getting up on your high horse.. You really shouldn't be riding a motorcycle, or replying to RUclips comments. It is clear from both, that you need to relax and learn to enjoy life .
No, Steam. did you know there are actually motorcycles with diesel engines, only a very few but they do exist, anyway thanks for viewing and commenting, regards from Sunny Devon.
I thought you were riding with the bikes. Terrible positioning. No wonder the van ran out of patience.
That guy in front of you was riding like an escort for the pushbikes. Your positioning made you look like you were joining him and compounded the issue that then provoked the stupid driving by the white van. The two motorbikes became part of the obstacle. Being cautious and respectful is good, being overly cautious creates problems.
There's a fine line between riding defensively and respectfully and becoming part of the obstruction yourself. These two motorcycles went unnecessarily way over cautious and became part of the obstruction. One thing I learned when I was doing advanced riding was not to become part of someone else's problem.
@@anthonysimpson5801 I disagree with you Sir, the camera elongates the picture, all the road users were first of all close to the T junction right blind turn, then the T junction left turn, then the right hand bend with a blind summit in the distance.
Everyone is missing the point of this film, it was about the van driver overtaking and, quite clearly, turning left on the wrong side of the road with for them a blind right bend.
Anyway thanks for viewing and commenting it all helps with our thinking
@@JohnPatrick58 The impression you give to any other road user in that situation is that you are escorting the cyclists. Especially with the type of bikes and all the day-glo gear. Try to get away from thinking of it simply from your own point of view and think of it from other road users perspective. There is no doubt in my mind that you pushed the van driver towards making a rash and irresponsible move because he was frustrated with the scenario he was presented with. If you had been thinking of it from the van driver's perspective you would have overtaken the cyclists sooner and removed yourself from being a part of the hazard. The classic mistake many drivers make is to simply claim "I was in the right" and look no deeper. No-one is disputing that, but you could definitely have taken steps to alleviate the situation. Read the other comments, I am not the only one who thinks the same. I say this from the perspective of a ROSPA Gold standard advanced rider. "Everyone is missing the point of this film?" Have you even considered alternative points of view?
@anthonysimpson5801 Congratulations on your advanced pass.
@@anthonysimpson5801 please refer back to my original reply
all i can see is a bunch of cyclist having no care for other road users who might want to go faster than 15mph and not let anybody pass .
What the hell are those two motorbikes doing?? Just increasing the problem. Terrible riding.
Sorry you and they guy in orange are a danger to other road user's clearly room to overtake ... hang up your helmets and get a bus pass time lol
You sort of created the issue yourself. Leaving such a big gap between you and the Honda Xtourer, was adding to the frustration for the van driver. You were riding as if you were escorting them. Close the gap, and with a few snappy overtakes you would have passed the cyclists. I see this all the time amongst IAM where it's encouraged to give a large safety bubble, when all that's needed is 1 metre.
Actually I would be giving them 1.5m not wanting to meet the van coming the other way neither
Cyclist need to read the rules they brought out only travel two abreast maximum and then only when safe, with mr white van man nearly taking them out why did they not realise it was not safe. Try riding around Reading or Henley these people seem to think it is safe for them to take up the whole road and not just the left then they abuse the drivers coming at them when they are on the wrong side and expect them to stop and let them through.
As in the UK you don't need a license to ride a pedal bicycle I presume it's very different for any sanctions to be taken against offenders, we licensed road users just have to suck it up and not try to get too upset about it, which at times is difficult. Thank you for your interesting and constructive comment. Regards John from sunny Devon UK
Was there some force field that didn't allow you to overtake?
@@Cookey77 Pooky, Mate, give the nature of your comment I don't think I am ably to explain things any further, sorry.
Learn to speak English properly before getting up on your high horse..
You really shouldn't be riding a motorcycle, or replying to RUclips comments. It is clear from both, that you need to relax and learn to enjoy life .
Common sense, reading the road correctly, and the will to stay alive without also putting other road users in danger.
Is that bike a diesel?
No, Steam. did you know there are actually motorcycles with diesel engines, only a very few but they do exist, anyway thanks for viewing and commenting, regards from Sunny Devon.
get those damn pushbikes off the road
And no reg plates, cant report em...
Looks to me like you were waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake. Van driver baby couldn't wait literally a minute.
Waz da problemo m8y? I aslways gives pedes loata time to x rid. Tank❤❤
@@bastogne315 Respect, m8y