Coming from a Bengal tribal community I can say He is absolutely right. There are different purohit/devata/puja padhwati for different (tribal + even mainstream) community. But *Dharma* is constant. Vedic system were rich and organized among them but these aren't whole Hinduism. British came to India and try to find equivalent to religion, the nearest they found is vedic dharmic system as it was most organised and well documented.
Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
Dude.... U do not know anything about bhoota kola... The demigods in coastal Karnataka is part of Hinduism... And they are forms of Shiva and some are guards of this gods... People who do not know about daiva or demigods or bhoota kola better stay away.... Bhoota kola is Hinduism.... Stop discussing it...
@@GamingNMusic ಇಲ್ಲಿದೆ ಪುರಾವೆ ಸಹಿತ ಡ್ರಾವಿಡ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಗು ವೈದಿಕ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಗೂ ಇರುವ ಗಟ್ಟಿಯಾದ ನಂಟು!! ತುಳು ಪಾಡ್ದನ ಎಂದರೆ ದೈವಗಳ ನೇರ ವಾಕ್ಯಗಳು ಹಾಗು ತಲ ತಲಾಂತರ ದಿಂದ ಬರಿ ಬಾಯಿಂದ ಬಾಯಿಂದ ಬಂದಿರೋ ಕಥೆ ಗಳು. ತುಳು ಪಾಡ್ದನ ಎಂದರೆ ತುಳು ಮೂಲ ನಿವಾಸಿಗಳ ವೇದಗಳು. ಪಂಜುರ್ಲಿ ಪಾಡ್ದನ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟ ವಾಗಿ ಇದೆ: ದೈವಗಳನ್ನ ಶಿವನು ಕೈಲಾಸ ದಿಂದ ಭೂಮಿಗೆ ಕಳ್ಸಿದ್ದು ಧರ್ಮ ರಕ್ಷಣೆಗೆ ಅಂತ ಬರುತ್ತೆ. "ಶಿವ ಮೂಲತಃ ಡ್ರಾವಿಡ ಜನರ ದೇವರು...ಅದನ್ನ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ಹಿಂದೂ ಧರ್ಮದ ಬಾಗ ವಾಗಿ ಸೇರಿಸಿದರು" ಎನ್ನುವವರು ಹಾಗಾದ್ರೆ ಯಾಕೆ ವಿಷ್ಣು ಪಾರ್ವತಿ, ಹನುಮಾನ್ ದೇವರ ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪ ಗುಳಿಗ ದೈವದ ಪಾಡ್ದನ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಬರುತ್ತೆ ...?? ಕೇಳಿದರೆ ನಿಮ್ಮಲ್ಲಿ ಉತ್ತರ ಇದೆಯಾ? ಈ ದೈವಗಳ ನುಡಿಗಳು ಲಿಖಿತ ರೂಪ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲದ ಕಾರಣ ಅದನ್ನ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಿದ್ದಿರಲು ಎನಲು ಅವಕಾಶವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ!! ಇನ್ನು ಪುರಾಣ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಶಿವ ನ ಭೂತ ಗಣಗಳ (assistants of Lord Shiva who accompanies him in the war) ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪ ಬರುತ್ತೆ. ಭಗವದ್ ಗೀತಾ Chapter 17 ಶ್ರದ್ಧಾತ್ರಯ ವಿಭಾಗಯೋಗ (3 Divisions of faith ) ದಲ್ಲಿ ಭೂತ-ಗಣ ಗಲ ಪೂಜೆಯ ಬಗ್ಗೇ ಈ ವಾಕ್ಯ ಇದೆ: TEXT 4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah SYNONYMS yajante-worship; sattvikah-those who are in the mode of goodness; devan-demigods; yaksa-raksamsi rajasah-those who are in the mode of passion worship demons; pretan-dead spirits; bhuta-ganan-ghosts; ca anye-and others; yajante-worship; tamasah- quality of dullness or inactivity, apathy, inertia or lethargy ; janah-people. TRANSLATION Men in the mode of goodness worship the demigods; those in the mode of passion worship the yakshas and those in the mode of ತಮೋ ಗುಣ worship spirits or bhutas. Below is the commentary by Sri Ramanuja of Sri Sampradaya: 17.4 ‘Those who have abundance of Sattva quality and are conjoined with Sattvika faith worship the devathas. The meaning is this: The faith in the worship (sacrifice) of the devathas which causes supreme joy unmixed with pain is of Sattvika nature. The Rajasika types worship Yaksas and Raksasas. And the others, i.e., the Tamasika types, worship the departed ancestors and hosts of Bhutas. ಇದರ ಅರ್ಥ ಬಹುವಿಧ ಶ್ರದ್ಧೆ ಅಥವಾ ಬಹು ವಿಧದ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಸನಾತನ ಧರ್ಮ ದ ಮೂಲ ದಲ್ಲೇ ಇದೆ. Worship of forefathers and bhutas are for mass and worship of devathas are for class people. That is the difference. ಇನ್ನು ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಪದವನ್ನ ಬೌದ್ದ ರು ತಮ್ಮ ಧರ್ಮ ಗ್ರಂಥ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಉಪಯೋಗಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ನಾಲ್ಕು ಉದಾತ್ತ ಸತ್ಯಗಳನ್ನು ಛತ್ ಆರ್ಯ ಸತ್ಯಾನಿ (ಪಾಲಿ) ಎಂದು ಕರೆಯಲಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಬೌದ್ಧ ಗ್ರಂಥಗಳಲ್ಲಿ, ಆರ್ಯರು ಎಂದರೆ ಯಾರು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಶೀಲಾ (ಶೀಲಾ, ಅಂದರೆ "ಸದ್ಗುಣ" ಪಾಲಿ ಯಲ್ಲಿ) ಹೊಂದಿರುವವರು ಮತ್ತು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಮಾರ್ಗವನ್ನು ಅನುಸರಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಶಬ್ದದ ಅರ್ಥ noble. ಇನ್ನು ಕಲ್ಹಣ (ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಲೇಖಕ) , ತನ್ನ ರಾಜತರಂಗಿಣಿಯಲ್ಲಿ (ಸಿ. 12 ನೇ ಶತಮಾನ CE), ಈ ಕೆಳಗಿನ ಐದು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣ ಸಮುದಾಯಗಳನ್ನು ಪಂಚ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಎಂದು ವರ್ಗೀಕರಿಸುತ್ತಾನೆ, ಅವರು ವಿಂಧ್ಯದ ದಕ್ಷಿಣದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ: ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ (ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ತೈಲಂಗಾ (ತೆಲುಗು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ದ್ರಾವಿಡ (ತಮಿಳುನಾಡು ಮತ್ತು ಕೇರಳದ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕಾ (ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ಗುರ್ಜರ (ಗುಜರಾತಿ, ಮಾರ್ವಾಡಿ ಮತ್ತು ಮೇವಾರಿ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು). ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಲ್ಲಿ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಪದವು ಮೂರು ಬದಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ನೀರಿನಿಂದ (ದ್ರಾವ) ಸುತ್ತುವರಿದಿರುವ ಭೂಮಿ ಎಂದರ್ಥ. ಅದು ಒಂದು ಸಮುದಾಯದ ಹೆಸರಾಗಿದ್ರೆ ಯಾಕೆ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಮ್ಮನ್ನು ದ್ರಾವಿಡರು ಅಂತ ಕರೆಸಿಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ?? If you need more info, please call me at 9986302022 Reference: tulu-research.blogspot.com/2010/03/233-panjurli.html www.bhagavad-gita.us/bhagavad-gita-17-4/
for those saying kola is not a hindu practice....this all happened during the age of parashuram,few demigods like panjurli,bobbariya etc took an oath and promised parashuram that they would forever protect those lands
Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
Parashuram's story was added later. We tuluvas still remember our tulunadu king bali chakravarthi during deepavali. He was living during Vamana avatar(before parashuram). As per pardanas, Tulunadu was created by Bermer.
@@mayodabalelu how do you say that parashurama is added later? Anybody can tell anything they want...show me the proof for it...infact most of daiva padDanas talk about the parashurama kshetra.... ಈ ದೈವಗಳ ನುಡಿಗಳು ಲಿಖಿತ ರೂಪ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲದ ಕಾರಣ ಅದನ್ನ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಿದ್ದಿರಲು ಎನಲು ಅವಕಾಶವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ!! ಇನ್ನು ಪುರಾಣ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಶಿವ ನ ಭೂತ ಗಣಗಳ (assistants of Lord Shiva who accompanies him in the war) ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪ ಬರುತ್ತೆ. ಭಗವದ್ ಗೀತಾ Chapter 17 ಶ್ರದ್ಧಾತ್ರಯ ವಿಭಾಗಯೋಗ (3 Divisions of faith ) ದಲ್ಲಿ ಭೂತ-ಗಣ ಗಲ ಪೂಜೆಯ ಬಗ್ಗೇ ಈ ವಾಕ್ಯ ಇದೆ: TEXT 4 yajante sattvika devan yaksa-raksamsi rajasah pretan bhuta-ganams canye yajante tamasa janah SYNONYMS yajante-worship; sattvikah-those who are in the mode of goodness; devan-demigods; yaksa-raksamsi rajasah-those who are in the mode of passion worship demons; pretan-dead spirits; bhuta-ganan-ghosts; ca anye-and others; yajante-worship; tamasah- quality of dullness or inactivity, apathy, inertia or lethargy ; janah-people. TRANSLATION Men in the mode of goodness worship the demigods; those in the mode of passion worship the yakshas and those in the mode of ತಮೋ ಗುಣ worship spirits or bhutas. Below is the commentary by Sri Ramanuja of Sri Sampradaya: 17.4 ‘Those who have abundance of Sattva quality and are conjoined with Sattvika faith worship the devathas. The meaning is this: The faith in the worship (sacrifice) of the devathas which causes supreme joy unmixed with pain is of Sattvika nature. The Rajasika types worship Yaksas and Raksasas. And the others, i.e., the Tamasika types, worship the departed ancestors and hosts of Bhutas. ಇದರ ಅರ್ಥ ಬಹುವಿಧ ಶ್ರದ್ಧೆ ಅಥವಾ ಬಹು ವಿಧದ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಸನಾತನ ಧರ್ಮ ದ ಮೂಲ ದಲ್ಲೇ ಇದೆ. Worship of forefathers and bhutas are for mass and worship of devathas are for class people. That is the difference. ಇನ್ನು ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಪದವನ್ನ ಬೌದ್ದ ರು ತಮ್ಮ ಧರ್ಮ ಗ್ರಂಥ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಉಪಯೋಗಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ನಾಲ್ಕು ಉದಾತ್ತ ಸತ್ಯಗಳನ್ನು ಛತ್ ಆರ್ಯ ಸತ್ಯಾನಿ (ಪಾಲಿ) ಎಂದು ಕರೆಯಲಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಬೌದ್ಧ ಗ್ರಂಥಗಳಲ್ಲಿ, ಆರ್ಯರು ಎಂದರೆ ಯಾರು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಶೀಲಾ (ಶೀಲಾ, ಅಂದರೆ "ಸದ್ಗುಣ" ಪಾಲಿ ಯಲ್ಲಿ) ಹೊಂದಿರುವವರು ಮತ್ತು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಮಾರ್ಗವನ್ನು ಅನುಸರಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಶಬ್ದದ ಅರ್ಥ noble. ಇನ್ನು ಕಲ್ಹಣ (ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಲೇಖಕ) , ತನ್ನ ರಾಜತರಂಗಿಣಿಯಲ್ಲಿ (ಸಿ. 12 ನೇ ಶತಮಾನ CE), ಈ ಕೆಳಗಿನ ಐದು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣ ಸಮುದಾಯಗಳನ್ನು ಪಂಚ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಎಂದು ವರ್ಗೀಕರಿಸುತ್ತಾನೆ, ಅವರು ವಿಂಧ್ಯದ ದಕ್ಷಿಣದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ: ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ (ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ತೈಲಂಗಾ (ತೆಲುಗು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ದ್ರಾವಿಡ (ತಮಿಳುನಾಡು ಮತ್ತು ಕೇರಳದ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕಾ (ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು) ಗುರ್ಜರ (ಗುಜರಾತಿ, ಮಾರ್ವಾಡಿ ಮತ್ತು ಮೇವಾರಿ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು). ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಲ್ಲಿ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಪದವು ಮೂರು ಬದಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ನೀರಿನಿಂದ (ದ್ರಾವ) ಸುತ್ತುವರಿದಿರುವ ಭೂಮಿ ಎಂದರ್ಥ. ಅದು ಒಂದು ಸಮುದಾಯದ ಹೆಸರಾಗಿದ್ರೆ ಯಾಕೆ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಮ್ಮನ್ನು ದ್ರಾವಿಡರು ಅಂತ ಕರೆಸಿಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ??
@@shivaprakashmyname you have given references to some scriptures which are not part of daiva worship of ours. No mention of parashuram anywhere in any pardanas. If you know any just let me know
Christianity is a centralized system and Hinduism is a De-centralized system. For centuries Abrahmic religions have been forcing their centralized framework on Dharma. They have failed badly.
We Tuluvas are also part of sanatana dharma. We do bhootaradhane/daivaaradhane. Yes, our practices are different than vaidhik practices. Actually there is no purana connections to our dieties. We have oral literature called Pardanas, which tells complete story about daivas. The stories will be different in different places of tulunad because it is oral literature. We believe Bermer as supreme being like Parabrahma mentioned in vedas. All other daivas are the form of him. Many people who lived here have become daivas as well. We follow matrilenear hierarchy in family where women is the owner. We should come out of the mindset that sanatana dharma means only vaidhik dharma, it is far beyond that🙏
There is indeed purana connections. It is told in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian agent Panjurli down to earth from Kailasa to protect the religion. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are called as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or inserted by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@shivaprakashmyname As I said bermer/shiva's mention is there in pardanas. When did i say that it was later added by brahmins? Since it is oral literature, it is vulnerable to other surrounding things. If u r a daiva worshipper then u will definitely know that our practices are different. Madu, mamsa nonveg, sacrifice everything is there. It is still considered as worship of shudras. I think u are talking about parashuram srusti. Tulunadu is bermer srusti. Our people only now started saying parasuram srusti. Which is wrong. There is no mention of parasuram in any pardanas.
Even if Brahmins took up 'moolnivasi' deities and started worshipping them, what's wrong with that? If anything, it's a proof that polytheistic cultures are less bigoted against foreign deities and ways of worship, than monotheist cultures. A study of history reveals that whenever a polytheistic culture conquered another, the victor didn't do away with the deities of the defeated; instead, the deities were taken up and worshipped alongside the traditional deities of the victor's pantheon. The history of the Roman Empire, the history of Imperial China, and the history of the Inca Empire are examples of the same. It is alleged that certain Hindu deities like Ganesha are not of Indo-European provenance, and are instead the traditional deities of either the speakers of Dravidian languages, or the Austric people. Whether this is true or not is a different topic altogether; but what is relevant here is the fact that Ganesha (assuming that He is a Dravidian deity) has been incorporated into the traditional Shrauta Smartha pantheon with so much devotion and gusto, that entire rituals have been created just for Him. In the Shaiva traditions, He is given an even more exalted place. Not only this, but He is prayed to by all Hindus, regardless of denomination - tradition considers him the deity to be worshipped before any other deity. Thus, even if one were to do a Satyanarayana Puja, he would need to first do the Ganesha puja, before embarking on the Satyanarayana puja. If this is the level of heartfelt respect and devotion that 'descendants of Aryan invaders', a.k.a. upper-caste people can show a deity who is supposed to be a non-Aryan deity, it only goes to show just how deranged and anti-pagan these "you are appropriating moolnivasi deities!" types are. Frankly, there's no need for even debating this matter. For all their supposed solidarity towards the 'moolnivasi' people, the rascals making these comments are nothing but anti-theistic, anti-pagan and mentally unhinged characters. These people do not deserve to be defeated in a debate; the only solution is to wipe them out without any mercy; especially given that these people have the gall to abuse Brahmins (who, by way of worshipping Ganesha, kept alive Dravidian religious traditions), while allying with Christian and Islamic forces, who seek to wipe out every trace of the same 'moolnivasi' religious heritage these people claim to support.
Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
So bhrahman community participation in kola , Mari hubba, annamana hubba, must be out of devotion.. and do not despise and talk derogatory of animal sacrifice , well I was interacting with wrong kind of ppl then
No, there is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are called as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or inserted by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@manojh.p.5097 animal sacrifice is talked negatively by other casts too .. not specifically a Brahman thing.. This creation of a boogeyman "the Brahmins" where every thing and anything you want is simply attributed to them .. We do animal sacrifice in our local deity too , but I'm very against it (if animal sacrifice is right or wrong is a different argument we'll get into some other time ) At the same time the Vedas also have animal sacrifice and vedas are supposed to be this giant Brahmin thing right? And animal sacrifice specifically of cow , yet today they don't , Things change and ideas change.. Corelation is not causation REPEAT!
@@bababistril exactly, we should get over this theory that Brahmins conquered everything in this land. They were nowhere near as militaristic nor that organised such as the later coming religions such as Christianity or Islamism. It was just a targetted approach by the foreign mono-etheistic cultures that wanted a face to deal with or to be clear blame it.
I am a Tuluva, from Tulunaad (Mangalore-Udupi) Varahamoorty panjurli is a Wild Bore, a Shiva Gana of Lord Shiva. In our Home we Daiva Panjurli we worship it in our kutumbas house too... Also please Note All Tuluvas home there is SatyaNarayana God (Vishnu) . Shiva gana Panjurli is also called as Varahamoorty in nudikattu, .. Panjurli is a protector or Balancing power.. Also Vishnu is a Protector and Balancing power.. So varahamoorty panjurli is like essence of Lord Vishnus Varaha avatara (wild Bore) .. so only mudipu panau which we tuluvas do once in a year in kutumbas house, if filled we all will go to Tirupathi (Tirupathi Balaji is Vishnu) and put mudipu panau in Tirupathi Hundi (As per advice of Our Daiva Panjurli) . But also varahamoorty panjurli is a Shiva Gana.... So, kai nalai (any promises, curse, which is called as Vaak dosha) is put in kadri manjunatha temple or Dharmasthala manjunatha temple (both are Lord Shiva temple). .. You 2 people should stop misleading our Culture. If you want to talk sensibly then come to Tulunaad and speak to our Daiva paatris. Dont play bad politics with our Beloved Daiva Panjurli... You will be certainly punished.. Tulunaad dha mann gh Apaprachaara malth dh apakeerti kondaradey😡. Adharmo nh naasha malpuna Satya Dharma dha Daiva enklena Varahamorty panjurli.. Swamy Panjurli🙏 mokleg sari tha buddi korley
Bahujan and adivasi traditions are also hindu dharma. Belief or non belief in vedas makes no difference. Most adivasi traditions actually emphasize puranic and vedic stories. Like adivasis in southern odisha, Bhagwan Shri Rama is their main deity and they wear bangles in their neck because of tradition which is related to ramayanam.
There's a baniyan tree in some botanical lab in Kolkata, & it's said to more than 500 years old. So many of its roots have come down from its different branches & have grown into full size trees on themselves, nowadays it's practically impossible for many people to even identify which trunk was the original or the first one. That's what I think is the true representation of our Sanatan Dharma or Hindu Dharma, it's so diverse in every 50km ahead or so, & so rich in long practiced rituals it's practically impossible & unethical in someway to tell which was the real or first one. It's like a giant thousands of years old tree with so many branches & roots, it's better if we leave it as it is. Well, this does make me feel proud about my country 😇
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@shivaprakashmyname why are you going everywhere creating a divide between ariyan & Dravidian culture as if they're separate religions? Are you here furthering some agenda or something?
@@BeE_AriyaNsorry for confusion. you missed the point. I mean to say that tribal culture and the Brahmin culture has a atrong link. There is unity in diversity. Tribal people worshipped spirits and gods who work under the main Gods of Hinduism. So those 2 civilization has strong link and not separate.
@@shivaprakashmyname I strongly believe they're not 2 distinct civilization rather different groups of people practicing different things due to their geographical disparity. When the foreigners came they found one with relatively more organized structure so they made that group representative head of all these interlinked groups throughout the subcontinent.
People who are not rooted and connected with their traditions cultures of Bharath - find KANTARA a “controversial” movie and start viewing with skewed vision
In Sanatan Dharma, we have many types of rituals and practices, because this Indian subcontinent has witnessed demi Gods and incarnations of Gods and Goddesses in the past. Otherwise how people could imagine Gods w/o having any encounters with them. And the knowledge we had at that time was immense, we knew the Earth is round, there are nine planets and solar system and star constellations and mathematics and architecture and what not.
I was expecting someone to bring in this moolnivasi controversy when watching this movie. As someone who hails from the region of Karnataka portrayed in the movie, I am highly irritated when someone tags the people shown as "tribals". No they are just villagers (given the political connotation of the word "tribal"). I am a staunch Hindu and I believe Hindus are the moolnivasis of India. I have mostly seen non-Kannadigas tag this movie as "tribal" and "moolnivasi" while all I see is a regular rural area in the movie. Makes me wonder if villages in the rest of the country are not forested? Do people in the rest of the country believe only tribals live in forested areas? Because, I am upper caste and my "village" is basically just two houses in the middle of the forest with no one in the radius of 5 km. Also, the Daivas worshipped in the Kola all clearly have Vedic connections (Panjurli & Guliga are both part of Shiva ganas. If they are not Vedic I don't know who is). I think people are using wrong tags without knowledge.
The Bermer was worshipped as God of creation by Tulu. Hindu Puranas say that Lord Brahman is the creator. In Kannada Brahma was pronounced as Bomma (Bommaiah (in Uttara Kannada) or Baramappa (in northern Karnataka) ). How can you say that they are 2 different God? Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
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What is Moolniwasi? According to Nilesh Oak, Mahabharat war happened, 5561 BC Ramayana war happened 12209 BC Rig Veda is as older than 17000 BC so who are mool nivasi? Primates?
Primates did not turn Humanoid in 5000 years. Before 17000 abc, there were people jolly well for at least 75000 years. Just that the social systems may or may not have existed. That was all. It’s these people I would call Mool Nivasi. It’s those people who lived at a time when there may or may not have been social systems, or people with social systems that no longer exist today.
I don't know why hindus create divides among themselves. There is only only god and that is lord vishnu, and lord shiva is the biggest devotee of lord vishnu. I don't know why they want to create divides. May be that is why peacefuls are increasing in the south. God bless them, i don't have anything to do with a person who don't worship lord vishnu or lord shiva or any of their avatars.
Guys people do not know anything about bhoota kola... The demigods in coastal Karnataka is part of Hinduism... And they are forms of Shiva and some are guards of this gods... People who do not know about daiva or demigods or bhoota kola better stay away.... Bhoota kola is Hinduism.... Stop discussing it...
Lets assume Aryans brought vedas to India, but Vedas worshipped Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Vayu and Agni, but none us worshipping them, We are worshipping Bramha, Vishnu and Shiva, none of them are Vedic gods. In which case they must be local gods, so, emergence of Hinduism is more or less reclaimation and supremacy of local gods over invaders gods,
I think Hinduism, which we now call & practice, is nothing but the aggregation of both Vedic culture (which may or may not have come from the Iranian or pastoral places) & the local & regional practices of the Indus valley people, rural area people, tribal area people, coastal area people etc. It also explains the decentralised nature & rich cultural background of this Hindu Dharma. If it was about some conquest or something, it would have destroyed the locally practiced rituals & practices to prove its supremacy, which it didn't. The Hindu Dharma or religion in a whole was itself born & developed through centuries in these very lands through centuries old collective practices we still witness throughout India. So fundamentally different in every 50km or so, yet so interconnected to each other, that's the beauty right
Sacrificing animals and bhoota worship is never a true Hindu practice. Hinduism is supposed to be non violent ,compassionate and satvik. All this Kali and other female Goddess worship are all Adivasi culture as rightly said by Chethan but somehow got integrated into Hindu culture. It's an utter shame that Brahmins agree to do Pooja for such rituals than calling off such evil practices. It's true that Brahmins have no guts to fight for right things.
@@Jpe-vr7xi then why do u call Brahmin pandits for your marriage and any death. You are nothing without us : a beggar who plays caste card for jobs ;nothing can be worse and demeaning on a human',s intellect than this.
Hinduism is trully big-tent of superstition of different communities. Indian communities are inherently syncretic and therefore may practice each-other rituals. But to preserve (or rejuvenate) Brahminical rituals (Vaidika, Yajnika, Mangalani, Samskaras as well as Animism) Brahmins need to surgically separate, practice and analyse their heritage. In that way so called, "Brahmins not allowing other caste in their rituals" can be understood properly. Let every community practice whatever they want, yet Brahmins need not generalised every element of their heritage as "Hindu" so that nothing unique is left. Same with other communities.
superstition? lol Philosophy is not superstition becuz its purpose is not to be scientifically logical, its purpose is to make community united and celebrate life or Nature which have its own significance. Science cant deal with Non-Physical Phenomenon.
If everyone can follow whatever they want, what is the problem with any label on it whatsoever... The thing is the traditions are going to stay for a long time and that is all that's needed.. Labels change with time.. Traditions don't
Also, Tribal groups in india are of different "descent" (Aryan, non-Aryan, Dravidian, non-Dravidian, Munda etc) so are Bahujans and all other caste. Brahmin and Brahminism itself is multiethnic and "descends" from different groups (Aryan, non-Aryan, Dravidian, non-Dravidian, Munda etc.)
So happy to listen to this gentleman. The British superimposed their own roles on Brahmins to give justification for their colonization. At the same time they demonized Brahmins, creating conflicts within Hindus and then between Hindus and Muslims. I still haven't seen this movie (rarely watch movies) but I'm glad that this one is busting the modern myths (mithya).
Certain so-called 'Vedanta fans' (I cannot call them Vedantists) are accusing this movie of being regressive and spreading 'Superstition'. In that channel, the commentators were praising the guy for being brave and fearless.
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@shivaprakashmyname if that was your point then I'm sorry & I agree with you 👍🏻 But don't use discriminatory phrases such as "Brahmins class divided people". Varna system was started to identify people according to their work culture & expertise, not to subjugate them with hierarchical descendent based caste, it's just a later creation by some oppressors to further their profit & gains & continuing their subjugation towards the lower income groups of people
It's delightful to see that whenever there is some sort of a good product put out from any part of the country - be it a movie or a book, if it is good then we now have an entire ecosystem to respond, and prop it up and defend it from all sorts of malicious attacks.
Then the practises down tulunadu and Kerala seems to be really bizzare to north Hindus. Kerala never celebrates Deepavali or Holi. But celebrates Kartika deepam / Onam etc. Bhoota kola and Theyyam are age old practises in this land.
The very fact of our Dharma and Raashtra surviving and thriving for thousands of years, and successfully warding off attacks on them in all forms by forces from abroad inimical to them, is testimony to their underlying force of unity, strong resilience, and endurability. The baffling variations in the practice of Dharma all over our country is engendered by the complete freedom it grants to its followers in respect of practicing it, and is the real source of its strength.
Irony !!! If the movie becomes hit and block buster , you all come n talk here with full of negativity, why didn't you do this before the movie Boss!!! Rishab has consulted the right PPL who are well versed with bhoota kola and directed the movie !!! This country still suffering from PPL who are telling same bull.shot story of Aryan invasion etc...
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
There is no controversy, please don't create also, we won't fall into the devide and rule anymore. There is no hindu, vaidika, Arya, dravida this that , ours is proud culture which has no single roots but has many different manifestation which left and west can't understand.
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
I have been to BR hills, tribal/soligas do not own any land, all the priest and family owns small hills each granted by mysore kings, so you seem to lack knowledge and have not done study or research on thinks you eloquently talk.. this irritates me most on the right wing.. despite being in right myself...
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves: Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God. Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed. Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
Coming from a Bengal tribal community I can say He is absolutely right.
There are different purohit/devata/puja padhwati for different (tribal + even mainstream) community. But *Dharma* is constant. Vedic system were rich and organized among them but these aren't whole Hinduism.
British came to India and try to find equivalent to religion, the nearest they found is vedic dharmic system as it was most organised and well documented.
Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
Dude.... U do not know anything about bhoota kola...
The demigods in coastal Karnataka is part of Hinduism... And they are forms of Shiva and some are guards of this gods...
People who do not know about daiva or demigods or bhoota kola better stay away....
Bhoota kola is Hinduism.... Stop discussing it...
@@GamingNMusic ಇಲ್ಲಿದೆ ಪುರಾವೆ ಸಹಿತ ಡ್ರಾವಿಡ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಗು ವೈದಿಕ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿಗೂ ಇರುವ ಗಟ್ಟಿಯಾದ ನಂಟು!! ತುಳು ಪಾಡ್ದನ ಎಂದರೆ ದೈವಗಳ ನೇರ ವಾಕ್ಯಗಳು ಹಾಗು ತಲ ತಲಾಂತರ ದಿಂದ ಬರಿ ಬಾಯಿಂದ ಬಾಯಿಂದ ಬಂದಿರೋ ಕಥೆ ಗಳು. ತುಳು ಪಾಡ್ದನ ಎಂದರೆ ತುಳು ಮೂಲ ನಿವಾಸಿಗಳ ವೇದಗಳು. ಪಂಜುರ್ಲಿ ಪಾಡ್ದನ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟ ವಾಗಿ ಇದೆ: ದೈವಗಳನ್ನ ಶಿವನು ಕೈಲಾಸ ದಿಂದ ಭೂಮಿಗೆ ಕಳ್ಸಿದ್ದು ಧರ್ಮ ರಕ್ಷಣೆಗೆ ಅಂತ ಬರುತ್ತೆ. "ಶಿವ ಮೂಲತಃ ಡ್ರಾವಿಡ ಜನರ ದೇವರು...ಅದನ್ನ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ಹಿಂದೂ ಧರ್ಮದ ಬಾಗ ವಾಗಿ ಸೇರಿಸಿದರು" ಎನ್ನುವವರು ಹಾಗಾದ್ರೆ ಯಾಕೆ ವಿಷ್ಣು ಪಾರ್ವತಿ, ಹನುಮಾನ್ ದೇವರ ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪ ಗುಳಿಗ ದೈವದ ಪಾಡ್ದನ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಬರುತ್ತೆ ...?? ಕೇಳಿದರೆ ನಿಮ್ಮಲ್ಲಿ ಉತ್ತರ ಇದೆಯಾ? ಈ ದೈವಗಳ ನುಡಿಗಳು ಲಿಖಿತ ರೂಪ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲದ ಕಾರಣ ಅದನ್ನ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಿದ್ದಿರಲು ಎನಲು ಅವಕಾಶವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ!! ಇನ್ನು ಪುರಾಣ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಶಿವ ನ ಭೂತ ಗಣಗಳ (assistants of Lord Shiva who accompanies him in the war) ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪ ಬರುತ್ತೆ. ಭಗವದ್ ಗೀತಾ Chapter 17 ಶ್ರದ್ಧಾತ್ರಯ ವಿಭಾಗಯೋಗ (3 Divisions of faith ) ದಲ್ಲಿ ಭೂತ-ಗಣ ಗಲ ಪೂಜೆಯ ಬಗ್ಗೇ ಈ ವಾಕ್ಯ ಇದೆ:
TEXT 4
yajante sattvika devan
yaksa-raksamsi rajasah
pretan bhuta-ganams canye
yajante tamasa janah
SYNONYMS
yajante-worship; sattvikah-those who are in the mode of goodness; devan-demigods; yaksa-raksamsi rajasah-those who are in the mode of passion worship demons; pretan-dead spirits; bhuta-ganan-ghosts; ca anye-and others; yajante-worship; tamasah- quality of dullness or inactivity, apathy, inertia or lethargy ; janah-people.
TRANSLATION
Men in the mode of goodness worship the demigods; those in the mode of passion worship the yakshas and those in the mode of ತಮೋ ಗುಣ worship spirits or bhutas.
Below is the commentary by Sri Ramanuja of Sri Sampradaya:
17.4 ‘Those who have abundance of Sattva quality and are conjoined with Sattvika faith worship the devathas. The meaning is this: The faith in the worship (sacrifice) of the devathas which causes supreme joy unmixed with pain is of Sattvika nature. The Rajasika types worship Yaksas and Raksasas. And the others, i.e., the Tamasika types, worship the departed ancestors and hosts of Bhutas.
ಇದರ ಅರ್ಥ ಬಹುವಿಧ ಶ್ರದ್ಧೆ ಅಥವಾ ಬಹು ವಿಧದ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಸನಾತನ ಧರ್ಮ ದ ಮೂಲ ದಲ್ಲೇ ಇದೆ. Worship of forefathers and bhutas are for mass and worship of devathas are for class people. That is the difference.
ಇನ್ನು ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಪದವನ್ನ ಬೌದ್ದ ರು ತಮ್ಮ ಧರ್ಮ ಗ್ರಂಥ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಉಪಯೋಗಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ನಾಲ್ಕು ಉದಾತ್ತ ಸತ್ಯಗಳನ್ನು ಛತ್ ಆರ್ಯ ಸತ್ಯಾನಿ (ಪಾಲಿ) ಎಂದು ಕರೆಯಲಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಬೌದ್ಧ ಗ್ರಂಥಗಳಲ್ಲಿ, ಆರ್ಯರು ಎಂದರೆ ಯಾರು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಶೀಲಾ (ಶೀಲಾ, ಅಂದರೆ "ಸದ್ಗುಣ" ಪಾಲಿ ಯಲ್ಲಿ) ಹೊಂದಿರುವವರು ಮತ್ತು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಮಾರ್ಗವನ್ನು ಅನುಸರಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಶಬ್ದದ ಅರ್ಥ noble. ಇನ್ನು ಕಲ್ಹಣ (ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಲೇಖಕ) , ತನ್ನ ರಾಜತರಂಗಿಣಿಯಲ್ಲಿ (ಸಿ. 12 ನೇ ಶತಮಾನ CE), ಈ ಕೆಳಗಿನ ಐದು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣ ಸಮುದಾಯಗಳನ್ನು ಪಂಚ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಎಂದು ವರ್ಗೀಕರಿಸುತ್ತಾನೆ, ಅವರು ವಿಂಧ್ಯದ ದಕ್ಷಿಣದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ:
ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ (ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ತೈಲಂಗಾ (ತೆಲುಗು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ದ್ರಾವಿಡ (ತಮಿಳುನಾಡು ಮತ್ತು ಕೇರಳದ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕಾ (ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ಗುರ್ಜರ (ಗುಜರಾತಿ, ಮಾರ್ವಾಡಿ ಮತ್ತು ಮೇವಾರಿ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು).
ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಲ್ಲಿ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಪದವು ಮೂರು ಬದಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ನೀರಿನಿಂದ (ದ್ರಾವ) ಸುತ್ತುವರಿದಿರುವ ಭೂಮಿ ಎಂದರ್ಥ. ಅದು ಒಂದು ಸಮುದಾಯದ ಹೆಸರಾಗಿದ್ರೆ ಯಾಕೆ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಮ್ಮನ್ನು ದ್ರಾವಿಡರು ಅಂತ ಕರೆಸಿಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ??
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@@shivaprakashmyname naanu kooda same helta ideeni... Whether Dravidian or Vedic or bhoota kola... All are part of sanathana dharma
@@GamingNMusic adanna proof mukantara helbeku..illa didre namge enu gottilla antaare buddijeevigalu
for those saying kola is not a hindu practice....this all happened during the age of parashuram,few demigods like panjurli,bobbariya etc took an oath and promised parashuram that they would forever protect those lands
Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
Parashuram's story was added later. We tuluvas still remember our tulunadu king bali chakravarthi during deepavali. He was living during Vamana avatar(before parashuram). As per pardanas, Tulunadu was created by Bermer.
@@mayodabalelu how do you say that parashurama is added later? Anybody can tell anything they want...show me the proof for it...infact most of daiva padDanas talk about the parashurama kshetra....
ಈ ದೈವಗಳ ನುಡಿಗಳು ಲಿಖಿತ ರೂಪ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಇಲ್ಲದ ಕಾರಣ ಅದನ್ನ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಿದ್ದಿರಲು ಎನಲು ಅವಕಾಶವೇ ಇಲ್ಲ!! ಇನ್ನು ಪುರಾಣ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಶಿವ ನ ಭೂತ ಗಣಗಳ (assistants of Lord Shiva who accompanies him in the war) ಪ್ರಸ್ತಾಪ ಬರುತ್ತೆ. ಭಗವದ್ ಗೀತಾ Chapter 17 ಶ್ರದ್ಧಾತ್ರಯ ವಿಭಾಗಯೋಗ (3 Divisions of faith ) ದಲ್ಲಿ ಭೂತ-ಗಣ ಗಲ ಪೂಜೆಯ ಬಗ್ಗೇ ಈ ವಾಕ್ಯ ಇದೆ:
TEXT 4
yajante sattvika devan
yaksa-raksamsi rajasah
pretan bhuta-ganams canye
yajante tamasa janah
SYNONYMS
yajante-worship; sattvikah-those who are in the mode of goodness; devan-demigods; yaksa-raksamsi rajasah-those who are in the mode of passion worship demons; pretan-dead spirits; bhuta-ganan-ghosts; ca anye-and others; yajante-worship; tamasah- quality of dullness or inactivity, apathy, inertia or lethargy ; janah-people.
TRANSLATION
Men in the mode of goodness worship the demigods; those in the mode of passion worship the yakshas and those in the mode of ತಮೋ ಗುಣ worship spirits or bhutas.
Below is the commentary by Sri Ramanuja of Sri Sampradaya:
17.4 ‘Those who have abundance of Sattva quality and are conjoined with Sattvika faith worship the devathas. The meaning is this: The faith in the worship (sacrifice) of the devathas which causes supreme joy unmixed with pain is of Sattvika nature. The Rajasika types worship Yaksas and Raksasas. And the others, i.e., the Tamasika types, worship the departed ancestors and hosts of Bhutas.
ಇದರ ಅರ್ಥ ಬಹುವಿಧ ಶ್ರದ್ಧೆ ಅಥವಾ ಬಹು ವಿಧದ ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತಿ ಸನಾತನ ಧರ್ಮ ದ ಮೂಲ ದಲ್ಲೇ ಇದೆ. Worship of forefathers and bhutas are for mass and worship of devathas are for class people. That is the difference.
ಇನ್ನು ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಪದವನ್ನ ಬೌದ್ದ ರು ತಮ್ಮ ಧರ್ಮ ಗ್ರಂಥ ದಲ್ಲಿ ಉಪಯೋಗಿಸಿದ್ದಾರೆ. ನಾಲ್ಕು ಉದಾತ್ತ ಸತ್ಯಗಳನ್ನು ಛತ್ ಆರ್ಯ ಸತ್ಯಾನಿ (ಪಾಲಿ) ಎಂದು ಕರೆಯಲಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಬೌದ್ಧ ಗ್ರಂಥಗಳಲ್ಲಿ, ಆರ್ಯರು ಎಂದರೆ ಯಾರು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಶೀಲಾ (ಶೀಲಾ, ಅಂದರೆ "ಸದ್ಗುಣ" ಪಾಲಿ ಯಲ್ಲಿ) ಹೊಂದಿರುವವರು ಮತ್ತು ಬೌದ್ಧ ಮಾರ್ಗವನ್ನು ಅನುಸರಿಸುತ್ತಾರೆ. ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಆರ್ಯ ಎಂಬ ಶಬ್ದದ ಅರ್ಥ noble. ಇನ್ನು ಕಲ್ಹಣ (ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತ ಲೇಖಕ) , ತನ್ನ ರಾಜತರಂಗಿಣಿಯಲ್ಲಿ (ಸಿ. 12 ನೇ ಶತಮಾನ CE), ಈ ಕೆಳಗಿನ ಐದು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣ ಸಮುದಾಯಗಳನ್ನು ಪಂಚ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಎಂದು ವರ್ಗೀಕರಿಸುತ್ತಾನೆ, ಅವರು ವಿಂಧ್ಯದ ದಕ್ಷಿಣದಲ್ಲಿ ವಾಸಿಸುತ್ತಿದ್ದಾರೆ ಎಂದು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದಾರೆ:
ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ (ಕರ್ನಾಟಕ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ತೈಲಂಗಾ (ತೆಲುಗು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ದ್ರಾವಿಡ (ತಮಿಳುನಾಡು ಮತ್ತು ಕೇರಳದ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರಕಾ (ಮಹಾರಾಷ್ಟ್ರ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು)
ಗುರ್ಜರ (ಗುಜರಾತಿ, ಮಾರ್ವಾಡಿ ಮತ್ತು ಮೇವಾರಿ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು).
ಸಂಸ್ಕೃತದಲ್ಲಿ ದ್ರಾವಿಡ ಪದವು ಮೂರು ಬದಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ನೀರಿನಿಂದ (ದ್ರಾವ) ಸುತ್ತುವರಿದಿರುವ ಭೂಮಿ ಎಂದರ್ಥ. ಅದು ಒಂದು ಸಮುದಾಯದ ಹೆಸರಾಗಿದ್ರೆ ಯಾಕೆ ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣರು ತಮ್ಮನ್ನು ದ್ರಾವಿಡರು ಅಂತ ಕರೆಸಿಕೊಂಡಿದ್ದಾರೆ??
@@shivaprakashmyname there is no mention of parashuram in pardanas.
Also parashuram avatar comes after vamana avatar.
@@shivaprakashmyname you have given references to some scriptures which are not part of daiva worship of ours. No mention of parashuram anywhere in any pardanas. If you know any just let me know
Christianity is a centralized system and Hinduism is a De-centralized system. For centuries Abrahmic religions have been forcing their centralized framework on Dharma. They have failed badly.
Bro explanation! I like the centralized and decentralized analogy!!
We Tuluvas are also part of sanatana dharma. We do bhootaradhane/daivaaradhane. Yes, our practices are different than vaidhik practices. Actually there is no purana connections to our dieties. We have oral literature called Pardanas, which tells complete story about daivas. The stories will be different in different places of tulunad because it is oral literature.
We believe Bermer as supreme being like Parabrahma mentioned in vedas. All other daivas are the form of him. Many people who lived here have become daivas as well. We follow matrilenear hierarchy in family where women is the owner.
We should come out of the mindset that sanatana dharma means only vaidhik dharma, it is far beyond that🙏
@@DDENZY That's what i said. Its part of sanatana dharma.
@@DDENZY Sanatana dharma includes janapadeeya, taulava, jaina, baudha, vaidhik, lingayat, sikh... We should unit under indic origin sanatana dharma
There is indeed purana connections. It is told in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian agent Panjurli down to earth from Kailasa to protect the religion. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are called as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or inserted by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@shivaprakashmyname As I said bermer/shiva's mention is there in pardanas. When did i say that it was later added by brahmins? Since it is oral literature, it is vulnerable to other surrounding things. If u r a daiva worshipper then u will definitely know that our practices are different. Madu, mamsa nonveg, sacrifice everything is there. It is still considered as worship of shudras.
I think u are talking about parashuram srusti. Tulunadu is bermer srusti. Our people only now started saying parasuram srusti. Which is wrong. There is no mention of parasuram in any pardanas.
Let’s not listen to idiots who say all nonsense. It is out culture and we are proud of it
Even if Brahmins took up 'moolnivasi' deities and started worshipping them, what's wrong with that? If anything, it's a proof that polytheistic cultures are less bigoted against foreign deities and ways of worship, than monotheist cultures. A study of history reveals that whenever a polytheistic culture conquered another, the victor didn't do away with the deities of the defeated; instead, the deities were taken up and worshipped alongside the traditional deities of the victor's pantheon. The history of the Roman Empire, the history of Imperial China, and the history of the Inca Empire are examples of the same.
It is alleged that certain Hindu deities like Ganesha are not of Indo-European provenance, and are instead the traditional deities of either the speakers of Dravidian languages, or the Austric people. Whether this is true or not is a different topic altogether; but what is relevant here is the fact that Ganesha (assuming that He is a Dravidian deity) has been incorporated into the traditional Shrauta Smartha pantheon with so much devotion and gusto, that entire rituals have been created just for Him. In the Shaiva traditions, He is given an even more exalted place. Not only this, but He is prayed to by all Hindus, regardless of denomination - tradition considers him the deity to be worshipped before any other deity. Thus, even if one were to do a Satyanarayana Puja, he would need to first do the Ganesha puja, before embarking on the Satyanarayana puja. If this is the level of heartfelt respect and devotion that 'descendants of Aryan invaders', a.k.a. upper-caste people can show a deity who is supposed to be a non-Aryan deity, it only goes to show just how deranged and anti-pagan these "you are appropriating moolnivasi deities!" types are.
Frankly, there's no need for even debating this matter. For all their supposed solidarity towards the 'moolnivasi' people, the rascals making these comments are nothing but anti-theistic, anti-pagan and mentally unhinged characters. These people do not deserve to be defeated in a debate; the only solution is to wipe them out without any mercy; especially given that these people have the gall to abuse Brahmins (who, by way of worshipping Ganesha, kept alive Dravidian religious traditions), while allying with Christian and Islamic forces, who seek to wipe out every trace of the same 'moolnivasi' religious heritage these people claim to support.
Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
So bhrahman community participation in kola , Mari hubba, annamana hubba, must be out of devotion.. and do not despise and talk derogatory of animal sacrifice , well I was interacting with wrong kind of ppl then
No, there is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are called as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or inserted by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@manojh.p.5097 animal sacrifice is talked negatively by other casts too .. not specifically a Brahman thing..
This creation of a boogeyman "the Brahmins" where every thing and anything you want is simply attributed to them ..
We do animal sacrifice in our local deity too , but I'm very against it (if animal sacrifice is right or wrong is a different argument we'll get into some other time )
At the same time the Vedas also have animal sacrifice and vedas are supposed to be this giant Brahmin thing right? And animal sacrifice specifically of cow , yet today they don't ,
Things change and ideas change..
Corelation is not causation REPEAT!
@@bababistril exactly, we should get over this theory that Brahmins conquered everything in this land. They were nowhere near as militaristic nor that organised such as the later coming religions such as Christianity or Islamism. It was just a targetted approach by the foreign mono-etheistic cultures that wanted a face to deal with or to be clear blame it.
I am a Tuluva, from Tulunaad (Mangalore-Udupi)
Varahamoorty panjurli is a Wild Bore, a Shiva Gana of Lord Shiva.
In our Home we Daiva Panjurli we worship it in our kutumbas house too... Also please Note All Tuluvas home there is SatyaNarayana God (Vishnu) .
Shiva gana Panjurli is also called as Varahamoorty in nudikattu, ..
Panjurli is a protector or Balancing power.. Also Vishnu is a Protector and Balancing power.. So varahamoorty panjurli is like essence of Lord Vishnus Varaha avatara (wild Bore) .. so only mudipu panau which we tuluvas do once in a year in kutumbas house, if filled we all will go to Tirupathi (Tirupathi Balaji is Vishnu) and put mudipu panau in Tirupathi Hundi (As per advice of Our Daiva Panjurli) . But also varahamoorty panjurli is a Shiva Gana.... So, kai nalai (any promises, curse, which is called as Vaak dosha) is put in kadri manjunatha temple or Dharmasthala manjunatha temple (both are Lord Shiva temple).
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You 2 people should stop misleading our Culture. If you want to talk sensibly then come to Tulunaad and speak to our Daiva paatris.
Dont play bad politics with our Beloved Daiva Panjurli... You will be certainly punished..
Tulunaad dha mann gh Apaprachaara malth dh apakeerti kondaradey😡. Adharmo nh naasha malpuna Satya Dharma dha Daiva enklena Varahamorty panjurli..
Swamy Panjurli🙏 mokleg sari tha buddi korley
Bahujan and adivasi traditions are also hindu dharma. Belief or non belief in vedas makes no difference.
Most adivasi traditions actually emphasize puranic and vedic stories. Like adivasis in southern odisha, Bhagwan Shri Rama is their main deity and they wear bangles in their neck because of tradition which is related to ramayanam.
Msy i know which moola newvasi in Bengal?
Sang's so called Hindutwa is not what we follow in south. That's the reason why we keep RSS aside in south.
There's a baniyan tree in some botanical lab in Kolkata, & it's said to more than 500 years old. So many of its roots have come down from its different branches & have grown into full size trees on themselves, nowadays it's practically impossible for many people to even identify which trunk was the original or the first one. That's what I think is the true representation of our Sanatan Dharma or Hindu Dharma, it's so diverse in every 50km ahead or so, & so rich in long practiced rituals it's practically impossible & unethical in someway to tell which was the real or first one. It's like a giant thousands of years old tree with so many branches & roots, it's better if we leave it as it is.
Well, this does make me feel proud about my country 😇
I am a Shetty from Udupi and I have no problems with Sanatana Dharma. My house has a Boota Sthana and also a temple with Kateel Amma Ganapati Shivji
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@shivaprakashmyname why are you going everywhere creating a divide between ariyan & Dravidian culture as if they're separate religions? Are you here furthering some agenda or something?
@@BeE_AriyaNsorry for confusion. you missed the point. I mean to say that tribal culture and the Brahmin culture has a atrong link. There is unity in diversity. Tribal people worshipped spirits and gods who work under the main Gods of Hinduism. So those 2 civilization has strong link and not separate.
@@shivaprakashmyname I strongly believe they're not 2 distinct civilization rather different groups of people practicing different things due to their geographical disparity. When the foreigners came they found one with relatively more organized structure so they made that group representative head of all these interlinked groups throughout the subcontinent.
@@shivaprakashmyname its one civilization, there is nothing like Brhamin culture. I m shudra from North and I m proud of my Hindu heritage .
People who are not rooted and connected with their traditions cultures of Bharath - find KANTARA a “controversial” movie and start viewing with skewed vision
In Sanatan Dharma, we have many types of rituals and practices, because this Indian subcontinent has witnessed demi Gods and incarnations of Gods and Goddesses in the past. Otherwise how people could imagine Gods w/o having any encounters with them. And the knowledge we had at that time was immense, we knew the Earth is round, there are nine planets and solar system and star constellations and mathematics and architecture and what not.
I was expecting someone to bring in this moolnivasi controversy when watching this movie. As someone who hails from the region of Karnataka portrayed in the movie, I am highly irritated when someone tags the people shown as "tribals". No they are just villagers (given the political connotation of the word "tribal"). I am a staunch Hindu and I believe Hindus are the moolnivasis of India. I have mostly seen non-Kannadigas tag this movie as "tribal" and "moolnivasi" while all I see is a regular rural area in the movie. Makes me wonder if villages in the rest of the country are not forested? Do people in the rest of the country believe only tribals live in forested areas? Because, I am upper caste and my "village" is basically just two houses in the middle of the forest with no one in the radius of 5 km. Also, the Daivas worshipped in the Kola all clearly have Vedic connections (Panjurli & Guliga are both part of Shiva ganas. If they are not Vedic I don't know who is). I think people are using wrong tags without knowledge.
The Bermer was worshipped as God of creation by Tulu. Hindu Puranas say that Lord Brahman is the creator. In Kannada Brahma was pronounced as Bomma (Bommaiah (in Uttara Kannada) or Baramappa (in northern Karnataka) ). How can you say that they are 2 different God? Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture!! Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas of the original inhabitants of Tulu. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana: Lord Shiva sends the gods down to earth from Kailasa to protect religion. "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins added it as a part of Hinduism" then why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? So Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass.
Bharath has Vedic, Tantrik, Yogic, regional, tribal, Bhakti traditions which run parallel and there’s absolutely no hierarchy.
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What is Moolniwasi?
According to Nilesh Oak,
Mahabharat war happened, 5561 BC
Ramayana war happened 12209 BC
Rig Veda is as older than 17000 BC
so who are mool nivasi?
Primates?
Moolnivasi bullshit is from European scholars and Indian intellectuals. Nilesh oak is bullshitter ! See Chaitra’s work and SN Balagangadhara
@@RohitSharma-mi8gt Are you equipped with the wherewithal to deal with astronomical evidence?
Primates did not turn Humanoid in 5000 years. Before 17000 abc, there were people jolly well for at least 75000 years. Just that the social systems may or may not have existed. That was all.
It’s these people I would call Mool Nivasi. It’s those people who lived at a time when there may or may not have been social systems, or people with social systems that no longer exist today.
@@harshavandu Amongst those who are extant.
They are tribal communities In India and not moola Nivasis....there were tribal community like guha even in Ramayana period
I don't know why hindus create divides among themselves. There is only only god and that is lord vishnu, and lord shiva is the biggest devotee of lord vishnu. I don't know why they want to create divides. May be that is why peacefuls are increasing in the south. God bless them, i don't have anything to do with a person who don't worship lord vishnu or lord shiva or any of their avatars.
Guys people do not know anything about bhoota kola...
The demigods in coastal Karnataka is part of Hinduism... And they are forms of Shiva and some are guards of this gods...
People who do not know about daiva or demigods or bhoota kola better stay away....
Bhoota kola is Hinduism.... Stop discussing it...
Lets assume Aryans brought vedas to India, but Vedas worshipped Indra, Mitra, Varuna, Vayu and Agni, but none us worshipping them, We are worshipping Bramha, Vishnu and Shiva, none of them are Vedic gods. In which case they must be local gods, so, emergence of Hinduism is more or less reclaimation and supremacy of local gods over invaders gods,
I think Hinduism, which we now call & practice, is nothing but the aggregation of both Vedic culture (which may or may not have come from the Iranian or pastoral places) & the local & regional practices of the Indus valley people, rural area people, tribal area people, coastal area people etc. It also explains the decentralised nature & rich cultural background of this Hindu Dharma.
If it was about some conquest or something, it would have destroyed the locally practiced rituals & practices to prove its supremacy, which it didn't. The Hindu Dharma or religion in a whole was itself born & developed through centuries in these very lands through centuries old collective practices we still witness throughout India. So fundamentally different in every 50km or so, yet so interconnected to each other, that's the beauty right
Sacrificing animals and bhoota worship is never a true Hindu practice. Hinduism is supposed to be non violent ,compassionate and satvik. All this Kali and other female Goddess worship are all Adivasi culture as rightly said by Chethan but somehow got integrated into Hindu culture. It's an utter shame that Brahmins agree to do Pooja for such rituals than calling off such evil practices. It's true that Brahmins have no guts to fight for right things.
What is true hindu practice
@@Jpe-vr7xi then why do u call Brahmin pandits for your marriage and any death. You are nothing without us : a beggar who plays caste card for jobs ;nothing can be worse and demeaning on a human',s intellect than this.
Hinduism is trully big-tent of superstition of different communities. Indian communities are inherently syncretic and therefore may practice each-other rituals. But to preserve (or rejuvenate) Brahminical rituals (Vaidika, Yajnika, Mangalani, Samskaras as well as Animism) Brahmins need to surgically separate, practice and analyse their heritage. In that way so called, "Brahmins not allowing other caste in their rituals" can be understood properly. Let every community practice whatever they want, yet Brahmins need not generalised every element of their heritage as "Hindu" so that nothing unique is left. Same with other communities.
superstition? lol Philosophy is not superstition becuz its purpose is not to be scientifically logical, its purpose is to make community united and celebrate life or Nature which have its own significance.
Science cant deal with Non-Physical Phenomenon.
If everyone can follow whatever they want, what is the problem with any label on it whatsoever... The thing is the traditions are going to stay for a long time and that is all that's needed.. Labels change with time.. Traditions don't
Also, Tribal groups in india are of different "descent" (Aryan, non-Aryan, Dravidian, non-Dravidian, Munda etc) so are Bahujans and all other caste. Brahmin and Brahminism itself is multiethnic and "descends" from different groups (Aryan, non-Aryan, Dravidian, non-Dravidian, Munda etc.)
हिंदू is india... Reality
So happy to listen to this gentleman. The British superimposed their own roles on Brahmins to give justification for their colonization. At the same time they demonized Brahmins, creating conflicts within Hindus and then between Hindus and Muslims. I still haven't seen this movie (rarely watch movies) but I'm glad that this one is busting the modern myths (mithya).
continuously i went 3,4 years, local god veera naarappa swamy like this god because some problems ,their words are deep i can't define.
Certain so-called 'Vedanta fans' (I cannot call them Vedantists) are accusing this movie of being regressive and spreading 'Superstition'. In that channel, the commentators were praising the guy for being brave and fearless.
Lord Krishna said “I am every where”. He is not only in the idol present in the temple. He is also present in every grain of sand.
I really wish this film helps to re-sanctify our land.
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
Stop spreading these lies & stop further dividing Ariyan & Dravidian cultures & traditions
@@BeE_AriyaN I was not dividing...I was telling that there is strong link between the two even though the way of worship is different in some extent
@@shivaprakashmyname if that was your point then I'm sorry & I agree with you 👍🏻
But don't use discriminatory phrases such as "Brahmins class divided people". Varna system was started to identify people according to their work culture & expertise, not to subjugate them with hierarchical descendent based caste, it's just a later creation by some oppressors to further their profit & gains & continuing their subjugation towards the lower income groups of people
@@BeE_AriyaN I said that vedic culture was for thr class and so called tribal or dravidian culture for mass
Enlightening conversation.
It's delightful to see that whenever there is some sort of a good product put out from any part of the country - be it a movie or a book, if it is good then we now have an entire ecosystem to respond, and prop it up and defend it from all sorts of malicious attacks.
Then the practises down tulunadu and Kerala seems to be really bizzare to north Hindus. Kerala never celebrates Deepavali or Holi. But celebrates Kartika deepam / Onam etc. Bhoota kola and Theyyam are age old practises in this land.
Those who have no God are complaining about devotees' way of worshiping God :))
The very fact of our Dharma and Raashtra surviving and thriving for thousands of years, and successfully warding off attacks on them in all forms by forces from abroad inimical to them, is testimony to their underlying force of unity, strong resilience, and endurability. The baffling variations in the practice of Dharma all over our country is engendered by the complete freedom it grants to its followers in respect of practicing it, and is the real source of its strength.
Irony !!! If the movie becomes hit and block buster , you all come n talk here with full of negativity, why didn't you do this before the movie Boss!!! Rishab has consulted the right PPL who are well versed with bhoota kola and directed the movie !!! This country still suffering from PPL who are telling same bull.shot story of Aryan invasion etc...
Buddhist and bhaujan/dalits christian missionaries guys are doing chutuyap
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
@@rajputa_na buddist are hindus only, problm is rice bag missionaries and Marxist
Wonderful conversation. 😍
if a bramhin is explaining this it cant be reliable..Genome mapping has already establish (Haplogroup r1a)
lol 😅I m shudra now cry.
Why audio is so unclear and low ?
Fantastic movie. One that will move something inside each one of us to see deep into our roots.
What is brahminical about Hinduism?
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Theyyam
Agree
There is no controversy, please don't create also, we won't fall into the devide and rule anymore.
There is no hindu, vaidika, Arya, dravida this that , ours is proud culture which has no single roots but has many different manifestation which left and west can't understand.
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
Wowo
I have been to BR hills, tribal/soligas do not own any land, all the priest and family owns small hills each granted by mysore kings, so you seem to lack knowledge and have not done study or research on thinks you eloquently talk.. this irritates me most on the right wing.. despite being in right myself...
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
Kantara - tribal adivasi moolnivasi - superhit
Brahmastra - Brahmin Vedic hindoo - flop
There is a strong link between the moolnivasi' deities and Vedic Gods. Here is proof of the strong connection between Dravidian culture and Vedic culture: Tulu Paddana means the direct words of the guardian demigods such as Punjurli and stories passed down from mouth to mouth. Tulu Paddana means the Vedas for the tribal people of Tulu nadu or Mangaloreans. It is clear in the Panjurli Paddana that Lord Shiva sends the guardian demigods or bhutas down to Paarashurama kshetra from Kailasa loka to protect the dharma. Those who say that "Shiva was originally the god of the Dravidian people...the Brahmins latter added it as a part of Hinduism" have to ask following question to themselves:
Why is the mention of Lord Vishnu, Parvati, Hanuman comes in the Paddana of God Guliga...? They are categorized as Aryan God.
Paddana are orally transferred stories from one generation to another. How can it be edited or interpolated by Brahmins? Only written books can be edited or changed.
Conclusion is that Vedic culture was for the class and Dravidian culture was for the mass (worship of the deities who come under main deities of Hinduism).
Madrassas divide Vedas unite.. I invite you to Sanaatan dharma and drop that desert cult that promotes violence, perversion and idiocracy..! 😄
Haha, why r u bothered abt kafirs, mulla pig 🤮🤮,, its same tulunad kafirs who teach madrasa pigs way u deserve to be treated
Kantara: Made with heart by filmmaker having genuine belief in his dharma & roots.
Brahmastra: Hindu appeasement backfired.
Pure madarsa chap logic