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  • Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2024

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  • @On3sports
    @On3sports  Год назад +1

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  • @jttimothy708
    @jttimothy708 Год назад +35

    And we just got the 8th!! Thank you Louisville, let’s get out of this collapsing conference

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Год назад

      UL joined??

    • @davidhackett3079
      @davidhackett3079 Год назад +1

      Yes Pitt probably also

    • @seminoleseth5718
      @seminoleseth5718 Год назад

      I haven’t seen anything on UL joining?

    • @davidhackett3079
      @davidhackett3079 Год назад +1

      Was On Live Warpath show.

    • @SantaNole
      @SantaNole Год назад +8

      FSU, Clemson HATED the deal Swofford made with ESPN. When SEC & B1G got their new deals, the writing first appeared on the wall. No unequal amount of $$ will keep FSU & Clemson in ACC. They want to be fully compensated. Everyone else is in an existential crisis.

  • @bangkokbaseball8705
    @bangkokbaseball8705 Год назад +1

    If those seven schools are so “magnificent”, then why don’t they focus on making their conference the best in the land. Grass is always greener on other side.

  • @thesoccertrotter1
    @thesoccertrotter1 Год назад +1

    SEC for 24 teams, 12 E and W divisions. West:
    Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, LSU, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Miss St,
    Texas, TAMU, Arkansas, Mizzou
    East:
    Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Miami
    South Carolina, Clemson, VT, UVA
    UNC, NC State, Florida, FSU

  • @KinggJudahh
    @KinggJudahh Год назад +11

    IT'S ALL ABOUT THE 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌💯💯

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Год назад +5

      Yessir

    • @904nole
      @904nole Год назад +2

      Lol the U can’t win the acc what’s it going to do in a better conference? Probably should go to a group of 5 conference lmao 🤣

    • @KinggJudahh
      @KinggJudahh Год назад +2

      @@904nole YOUR PROBABLY A VIRGINIA FAN😂😂😂😂😂😎

    • @mattrancho
      @mattrancho Год назад +3

      Has “nole” in his username. Ill let u figure that out…

    • @904nole
      @904nole Год назад

      @@mattrancho 😂😂

  • @brooksvilleCane
    @brooksvilleCane Год назад +3

    couple of facts for you guys,cemson and the U started the process of making these changes and fsu ad just started talking the loudest.The other 2 AD's are really leading this case with many other schools coming right along.

  • @blasien1
    @blasien1 Год назад +7

    Lawyers often know how to undo a thing lawyers built in the first place

  • @smp1965nc
    @smp1965nc Год назад +3

    ESPN has far too much control in this. Who’s really pulling the strings here? This is being driven by networks, football and money - other sports be damned.

  • @calebchristensen900
    @calebchristensen900 Год назад +6

    Honestly this just messes up the conferences even more if we get movement from this. I’ve always been a proponent of geographical conference regardless of where the money is. You could still have a mega conference and follow geography.

  • @CaydensDaddio
    @CaydensDaddio Год назад

    The key to ACC dissolution is Notre Dame. The GOR was extended to 2036 based on the ACC network & ND non-football sports being there. If ND cant get the TV deal they need to compete from NBC or another network maybe ND decides that it's time to join the B1G or thr SEC. ND football is whats valuable, ND could tell the ACC to keep the rights to their non-football sports, pay their 3 year reduced share exit fee, appro 50-60 million and leave. Without ND, the others have an argument about voiding the extended GOR, reverting it back to the original 2027 date.

  • @machtschnell7452
    @machtschnell7452 Год назад +7

    Why do not the offended schools just sue the ACC itself for gross mismanagement?

    • @jamieharper1051
      @jamieharper1051 Год назад

      For same management that that FSU/UNC/Clemson voted to represent them on said contract that they sign . They have no case only way is to get enough schools to blow up the ACC as a league. But VT/NCSU are not wanted by SEC/Big 10 they will not be invited to the big 2 so I don’t understand what and why they are involved?

    • @css31069
      @css31069 Год назад +6

      Been saying this for a while. That TV deal almost looks like sabotage at this point.

  • @RaisedCane-qn3ts
    @RaisedCane-qn3ts Год назад +5

    Why wouldn't Pitt, BC, Wake Forest, and every other school in the ACC want to join the 7 and force the conference to renegotiate the deal? Why would any ACC school want an uneven playing field to compete on? smh

    • @Finsup15_
      @Finsup15_ Год назад +2

      Because the bigger schools are going to leave and those other schools are going to be left worse off

    • @wlthomas8
      @wlthomas8 Год назад +1

      The initial ask of the original 4 (Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC) was to have an uneven share of the revenue, based on their production, but remain in the ACC. That didn't seem to get attention. The formation of the Magnificent 7 is a plan to nullify parts of the grant of rights, and allow them to make up the huge gap in revenue.

    • @opeydedon2279
      @opeydedon2279 Год назад

      their going to leave anyway. so why give them more to stay. your wife is leaving u and she just told u why.

    • @RaisedCane-qn3ts
      @RaisedCane-qn3ts Год назад +3

      @@wlthomas8 That is true... However, I believe that if there are 8 universities in accordance, the original grant of rights agreement is voided and a new negotiation would/could take place. The problem is the disparity in revenue between the agreements the Big 10 and the SEC have struck and what the ACC has in place. Ok, but ACC Universities like BC (Boston), Pitt (Pittsburgh), Syracuse, are in major metro markets that could/would benefit tremendously from a new restructured deal. I don't understand why they wouldn't be the ones yelling the loudest to achieve the parity their markets can afford them. I think the ACC Conference needs to learn how to better sell their product, and structuring a new deal is the fastest way to do that. IMO, the ACC Network deal with ESPN is the real problem. The production team is atrocious.

    • @RaisedCane-qn3ts
      @RaisedCane-qn3ts Год назад +2

      @@Finsup15_ I don't think it has to be or work out that way. Just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean you have to do it unless it's in your best interest. I think the ACC has just done a very poor job selling the product and the schools and the student-athletes have not benefited as much as they could have. Their growth potential is actually greater than the other conferences that are already maximizing their return on investment.

  • @verlinjoseph5438
    @verlinjoseph5438 Год назад +4

    Na you're spot on about that standing remark. Both Clemson and FSU will leave everyone high and dry once the SEC calls

    • @v.l.c3979
      @v.l.c3979 Год назад

      @derklavierspieler7491 fsu fans feel like they belong in the SEC 😆😆 Now Clemson yes...

    • @TallyHo850
      @TallyHo850 Год назад

      @@v.l.c3979 your a cane fan your team belongs in the trash 😂😂😂😂

    • @Keith_X
      @Keith_X Год назад

      Found the gator. 😎

    • @RaisedCane-qn3ts
      @RaisedCane-qn3ts Год назад +3

      ​@@v.l.c3979 Both of them would be 8-4 in the SEC, right now!

    • @bradphilpot6963
      @bradphilpot6963 Год назад +1

      @@derklavierspieler7491 Expect a long memory regarding FSU passing on it so very long ago...but $$ makes many friends

  • @johnledford8597
    @johnledford8597 Год назад +1

    How can ESPN, invested in the ACC, let the ACC become irrelevant due to their paying the ACC substantially less than the SEC?

  • @thesoccertrotter1
    @thesoccertrotter1 Год назад

    People talking about Lousiville and PITT coming along too, the reason were leaving is to get away from you guys. Maybe Louisville is attractive for SEC with Kentucky, but they definitely don care about PITT. Those 8 would join SEC for 24 teams, 12 E and W divisions. West:
    Kentucky, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, LSU, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Miss St,
    Texas, TAMU, Arkansas, Mizzou
    East:
    Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Miami
    South Carolina, Clemson, VT, UVA
    UNC, NC State, Florida, FSU

  • @benmora7437
    @benmora7437 Год назад

    Big 12 needs to pick up Miami, Pitt, Louisville and North Carolina

  • @mark8337
    @mark8337 Год назад

    Litigation after next year is only way out cause have to show financial detriment to staying in.

  • @johnulibarri6760
    @johnulibarri6760 Год назад +3

    Go Noles 🍢

  • @Gocanes
    @Gocanes Год назад +1

    Let’s go Miami to the big 10 or sec

  • @odasmith1215
    @odasmith1215 Год назад

    If the ACC goes to hell i see Clemson FSU and Mia coming to the SEC maybe UNC but i see them more in the BIG10

  • @ttownhondo
    @ttownhondo Год назад +1

    Clemson and Florida state to the SEC makes sense geographicly don't know about contracts.

    • @lizardinthelites
      @lizardinthelites Год назад +1

      geographically so does NC and NC State, that makes over half of those 7 teams would be going to the SEC

  • @greenearth975
    @greenearth975 Год назад +1

    Greed is what is going on. 30 years from now this sport will be a shadow of it's former self.

    • @srikothur2845
      @srikothur2845 Год назад

      People have been saying this about 30 years in the future of a long time. It was especially a vocal sentiment around 1971.

  • @thesoccertrotter1
    @thesoccertrotter1 Год назад

    Those 7 plus Oklahoma state to SEC

  • @charliewood8964
    @charliewood8964 Год назад +2

    Something else to think about there's the magnificent if they can find one more dance partner that's eight schools they can dissolve the ACC and then the grant of rights is not an issue

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Год назад +1

      Yes it is, bc ESPN still owns the TV rights even if the conference dissolves.

    • @charliewood8964
      @charliewood8964 Год назад

      @@pnut3844able if the conference dissolves there's no grant of Rights if the ACC dissolves there's no conference there for the grant of rights goes away

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Год назад

      @@charliewood8964 ESPN owns the TV rights. The conference dissolving has no bearing on that fact.

    • @charliewood8964
      @charliewood8964 Год назад +3

      @@pnut3844able it does have Baring because the conference as a whole entered into the contract with ESPN if the conference doesn't exist there's no contract therefore there's no TV rights

    • @pnut3844able
      @pnut3844able Год назад

      @@charliewood8964 that's not how it works lmao

  • @jamieflynn9697
    @jamieflynn9697 Год назад

    You get out of it by paying the money you signed the contract for .
    It’s not happening for a long time.

  • @georgeparris8293
    @georgeparris8293 Год назад

    rather than just destroy the ACC why not reformulate the conference rules?

  • @matthewowen1360
    @matthewowen1360 Год назад

    good video

  • @WangHungLo
    @WangHungLo Год назад

    Explains Dabo Swinney's contract. Thank you, On3

  • @waynebennett745
    @waynebennett745 Год назад

    Not to sound negative, but why is it the videos on here contain the information I heard in other videos at least yesterday?

  • @smp1965nc
    @smp1965nc Год назад +1

    How’s all that money working for Rutgers, Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa, Vanderbilt, Missouri and multiple other teams in the Big10 and SEC

  • @sharky6128
    @sharky6128 Год назад +4

    If and when this happens, it clears the way for ND to join the BIG 10 !!!

    • @richardsnyder842
      @richardsnyder842 Год назад

      Or Notre Dame could join the ACC and save it .... don't take that as a prediction.

  • @terryrich4889
    @terryrich4889 Год назад

    Wish acc would band together to disband. Let fs and who else go. Then regroup with other good teams. Fs state been crying for year. Acc exsist bofore fs a will not die if 4 teams left. Quite a few of youself righteous sport commetator think fs is super. Ask troy st. They have not won since Bobby was there. If i was commissioner i would regroup let them all go, that want to leave. And wish them luck. Be done with this high hope wishing, begging and crying. Then get back to business adding teams to replace the departed and focus on winning.

  • @mark8337
    @mark8337 Год назад

    Litigation after next year by the 7 to get out. Big Ten interested in Florida market due to viewers, alumni base, money, and, at the top would be Miami and Florida State. So, you’re probably looking at 2 more schools out West, then Miami and Florida State. They’d love Notre Dame, but can’t count on them considering how long they’ve been playing hard to get.

  • @k-hustlethesportspreacher5941
    @k-hustlethesportspreacher5941 Год назад

    Certain schools in the ACC (WF, Cuse, BC, Duke, & GT don't have a landing spot if the conference dissolve. The best thing is to let these bigger schools FSU, UNC, UVA, & Clemson leave but see if you can grab Stanford, Cal, & somehow Notre Dame but renegotiate a better deal that favors ND. Then convince WVU, UCF, and Cincy to come over to save on logistics.

    • @JSVSXX
      @JSVSXX Год назад

      GT does have a spot somewhere…. Great academics and they have the Atlanta market

    • @bradphilpot6963
      @bradphilpot6963 Год назад

      @@JSVSXX GT will ride with those to the SEC and be real quiet while sitting in the backseat. The SEC does not want to fight about geography with GT possibly going to the Big.

    • @k-hustlethesportspreacher5941
      @k-hustlethesportspreacher5941 Год назад

      The SEC and B1G will only expand to drive up revenue compared to the B12 and ACC which will collect teams merely to survive. GT is a good fit for the B1G but not necessarily profitable. This is why I only suggested adding 2 schools compared to 4.

    • @bradphilpot6963
      @bradphilpot6963 Год назад

      @@k-hustlethesportspreacher5941 GT brings a party city visit for fans (Atl has got many offerings, and the SEC loves going to Nashville). It "feels" like we could be on an uptick. Lord knows we picked the wrong years (during realignment/pandemic/NIL) to suck, but maybe the $ is coming and the portal allows much of that GA talent to return if they did not fit in their original destination. GT has a lot to offer...it is can we get out of our own way in making the offer.

    • @ExhaultedPoobah
      @ExhaultedPoobah Год назад

      @@bradphilpot6963 Atlanta used to be a nice city, but it is now a very dangerous city with nasty traffic.

  • @westernciviccapital3075
    @westernciviccapital3075 Год назад

    Here's the script... NC St. has out done themselves per tge script. All those 7 to the SEC. ANNUAL PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY IS THE KEY! Setting an ARBITRARY NUMBER of playoff slots before the season plays out is a FAILED MODEL.
    Conferences also need 2 weeks in early December (if necessary) to determine their champions.
    Take 2022 for example: The PAC needed a 4 team playoff (Washington, Oregon, Utah, and USC), but by some arbitrary algorithm, only Utah and USC were selected.
    And for the 2022 National Championship, everyone knew we only needed 1 game: Michigan vs. Georgia, but because of the arbitrary (and in 2022 undeserved) 3rd and 4th spots, it got all screwed up and we never got to see it!
    Here is the model we cobbled together from the Warren administration last year, with the 3 large conferences... Please note the flexibility and tradition preservation provided by the INDEPENDENT INVITATIONAL concept (1 or 2 games as any year may require).
    Also note this model has West Virginia misplaced (assuming some influence from Senator Manchin). We see WV as gaining Protected Independent status in football, giving that last SEC25 slot to Tulane. (Independent corps: ND loose affiliation and all other sports in the B1G; BYU likewise the Third25, and WV with the SEC. The Service Academies should also join the Independent corps, if they decide to compete at the top levels of college athletics.)
    THE FULL PICTURE IS IN! -August 11, 2022
    ND TO STAY INDEPENDENT;
    MIAMI IS IN, JOINING THE SEC!
    (They're going to 25)
    THE NEW FULL MEMO ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL REALIGNMENT...
    Please remember, as Commissioner Warren said, these things are planned well in advance...
    To the B1G (FOX): Pitt, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Utah, Oregon, Kansas, Arizona and Colorado for 25 (all here mentioned are AAU schools).
    To the SEC (ESPN): NC(aau), Duke(aau), UVA(aau), Clemson, Florida St., West Virginia, Georgia Tech(aau), Miami and Virginia Tech for 25.
    Notre Dame (NBC) (and BYU?) will stay independent with playoff access. Look for an independent alliance to include ND, BYU and the service academies moving forward.
    NOTE: Divisions are only for the purpose of assuring regional play and reducing travel, and could be annually flexible by school requests. These divisions are likely to be more relevant in non football sports. The football teams with the top 4 (at least, could go to 8 [flexibility?], culminating with the Rose Bowl) conference records will go to the conference semifinals in early or mid December regardless of their divisions, and the conference championships are to be played on New Year's Day (B1G/Rose, SEC/Sugar, Third25/Cotton).
    B1G25 Southern Pacific division
    Cal
    USC
    UCLA
    Arizona
    Utah
    B1G25 Northern Pacific division
    Colorado
    Nebraska
    Stanford
    Oregon
    Washington
    B1G25 Great Plains division
    Minnesota
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Wisconsin
    Illinois
    B1G25 Great Lakes division
    Indiana
    Purdue
    Northwestern
    Michigan
    Michigan State
    B1G25 Union division
    Rutgers
    Maryland
    Penn State
    Pitt
    Ohio State
    Meet the SEC25:
    Knowing that Pitt is going B1G, and 8 more ACC schools are going to the SEC, that's more than enough schools than needed to break the ACC contract.
    Given the continuing regional continuity of the SEC, divisions will be even less significant than in the B1G. Maintaining certain rivalries and neighborly games will be more a matter of game "reservation" than divisional assignments. Again, the 4 (or 8, or a flexibility to assure fair access) best conference records of the SEC to play in semifinals in early December.
    Texas
    Oklahoma
    Texas A&M
    Arkansas
    Kentucky
    Missouri
    LSU
    Miss State
    Ole Miss
    Tennessee
    Vanderbilt
    Alabama
    Auburn
    Florida
    Florida St.
    Georgia
    Georgia Tech
    South Carolina
    Clemson
    North Carolina
    Duke
    UVA
    Virginia Tech
    West Virginia
    Miami
    The rest to comprise TheThird25 conference with access relegation to playoff eligible divisions (similar to Euro soccer leagues) with guaranteed football playoff slots for their top teams every year. (Realignment for non football sports in this third conference, as membership could include 40 or so schools, with likely only 25 members of which will start the football season with access to the national playoff, more permanent regional sub conferences will be needed, and allowing these regional divisions to develop organically is expected to be one of the final components, and possibly most time consuming, such that the networks/B1G/SEC intend to allow the third conference a couple years of organization before defining a final playoff structure.)
    This third conference is going to be full of badass non AAU schools from coast to coast, will have playoff access, and likely compete well for national titles moving forward.
    And now be introduced to TheThird25 Conference:
    TheThird25 (Apple/Amazon/Innovative Media Delivery, -and maybe CBS)
    (Assuming BYU stays independent)
    1) Oklahoma St.
    2) Washington St.
    3) TCU
    4) Arizona St.
    5) Kansas St.
    6) Baylor
    7) Boise St.
    8) San Diego St.
    9) NC St.
    10) Tulane (AAU school)
    11) Rice (AAU school)
    12) UCF(disney/espn)
    13) Louisville
    14) Cincinnati
    15) Houston
    16) Boston College
    To finish TheThird25:
    Utah State
    Syracuse
    Hawaii
    Oregon State
    Fresno State
    Iowa State
    Texas Tech
    SMU
    Memphis and/or Southern Miss or Wake Forrest or Colorado State or Tulsa or Wyoming or New Mexico or UConn or Nevada or UTEP or Army or Navy or Air Force... etc. Relegation clearly required.
    The Eligible76 (77 - BYU?)
    So that makes 76 teams with playoff access each year: B1G25, SEC25, TheThird25 (with relegation beyond 25), and independent Notre Dame (and BYU?).
    B1G/SEC to play 9 of 11 regular season games in conference (4 division, 1 each in the other 4 divisions, plus 1 reserved/rivalry game =9), and 2 non conference games (1 allowed to be an opponent beyond the eligible76).
    How can this happen?
    Quite simply. -and in the end likely a value booster for all schools through the 3 mega conferences...
    Except for the 32 currrent legacy members of the B1G/SEC, revenue sharing as we've known it is finished. The rest will be taken on and paid in accord with their relative fanbase/marketshare and other values brought to the table.
    And they're selling this beautifully.... This has to be the single best dudes' soap opera to run the sportswire in some time. This is intentional.
    It's a done deal, but milking the interest is just the first part of this brilliant college football marketing campaign. -or, blame capitalism. ✌🤠✌
    Look for something called the "Independent Invitational" game to be played in early December alongside the conference semifinals, and to be managed by The Playoff Commission, playing Notre Dame (and/or BYU?) and possibly service academies against a team hoping to make a playoff or better bowl claim, or any other 2 teams the Commission may deem appropriate in a given year in order to help clarify and minimize their playoff selections upcoming after the bowls. (It has been proposed that any Division 1 school relegated beyond the eligible76 could achieve instant transcendence with an undefeated (11-0) season -w/10 D1 wins- and a likely invitation to the Independent Invitational prior to major bowl selection.)
    The bowls will play out during the holidays and could have playoff selection implications depending on the year.
    PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY IS THE KEY
    (setting an arbitrary number of playoff slots before the season plays out is a failed model):
    The concept of yearly playoff flexibility should be incorporated. Every year is different; setting an arbitrary number of playoff slots before the season plays out inevitably rubs against fairness for the next team left out.
    After the 3 Conference championships on New Year's Day (yielding 3 guaranteed advanced playoff births) the Playoff Commission should call no less than 4 teams, but up to 16, or any (even odd) number in between, such that no eligible undefeated team is left out (an "objective, measurable, clear and articulable delineation between the last team to qualify, and all remaining eligible teams..."), and playing such few games as necessary to answer but one question:
    Who is number 1?