Excellent episode Dan and Christy, thank you. Always a pleasure to have both DPE Joe's on the show. They clearly love what they do. Thank you for having them on the show regularly. Keep up the excellent work as always. Safe skies 🇺🇸🛩️
Another great episode, much details to learn from and see how DPE’s are working in the US. 👍🏼 Both Joe’s are great guests to listen to. When I did my checkride in Germany, I got my DPE assigned by the local CAA office, which was announced in a letter, as soon as I was ready to do the test. Therefore, you could just make one appointment by phone within the next few weeks with your assigned DPE. Also, no money had to be paid directly to the DPE, as the local government invoices the fees (120 EUR ≈ 130 USD) together with the initial issue of the PPL after a few weeks. That prevents the feeling of cash rides. 😉 However, the hardest part came after the successful checkride: Before receiving the official license, you aren’t allowed to fly, since you don’t get a temporary permit in Germany for an initial license. For me, that were 3 horrible weeks of waiting and checking the mailbox every day. I would have rather done multiple checkrides instead. 😬
My instructor here in Australia gets calls from anonymous people he does not know - "I need a flight review - are you available tomorrow and what's the cost?" ("Sorry, not available any time soon.") And the best one he had was someone with three weeks off, wanting to go full private licence - in 3 weeks.
There are definitely DPEs that fully charge to retest a failed check ride. Some of our local students are having to come up with $1500 a go. The cost can definitely add to anxiety. It seems to be getting more difficult to find a DPE and most do not want to ‘back up date’ for weather. This, IMO, is contributing to the lack of respect for a DPE’s time. The process is certainly worth a review because it’s just getting harder for DPEs and students alike. The FAA also has the reputation of being somewhat unsupportive of DPEs in the recent past as well. Feds Against Aviation was termed for a number of situations…
Because they can make $1500 to $2000 a day riding in an air conditioned jet eating an overpriced catered sandwich, or make $700 doing endless paperwork, sweating to death in a 172, then attaching their ratings to a brand new PPL's license...which would you rather do...
You know... the thing is - with DPE's being so difficult to schedule due to availability issues, it has created this problem of mass emailing DPE's. A person could spend days of calling trying to get a hold of DPE's only to be turned down during that entire time. Certainly Joe/Joey need to have boundaries in how they do their work, but the constraints of DPE availability has created this situation.
Yes, a few things actually. 1) Moisture/precipitation 2) Weather systems formations including air masses and fronts 3) thunderstorms and microburst 4) icing and freezing level information Please and thank you in advance 😁
Interesting information all around. So American DPEs typically don't do IFR checkrides in IMC. What about ordinary instruction for certificates and ratings, will your typically U.S. instructor be wary of instruction in IMC as well? Or is the problem strictly the difficulty trying to assertain who the PIC is when there are rules that preclude the examiner and the applicant, thus leaving no genuinely valid choice.
Absolutely we will fly with the instructor in actual IMC. I know in my training when we had such a day it was perfect. The instructor filed, and then requested just vectoring out in our play area to keep us in the clouds. It was amazing, and wonderful.
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Excellent episode Dan and Christy, thank you. Always a pleasure to have both DPE Joe's on the show. They clearly love what they do. Thank you for having them on the show regularly. Keep up the excellent work as always. Safe skies 🇺🇸🛩️
Another great episode, much details to learn from and see how DPE’s are working in the US. 👍🏼 Both Joe’s are great guests to listen to.
When I did my checkride in Germany, I got my DPE assigned by the local CAA office, which was announced in a letter, as soon as I was ready to do the test. Therefore, you could just make one appointment by phone within the next few weeks with your assigned DPE. Also, no money had to be paid directly to the DPE, as the local government invoices the fees (120 EUR ≈ 130 USD) together with the initial issue of the PPL after a few weeks. That prevents the feeling of cash rides. 😉 However, the hardest part came after the successful checkride: Before receiving the official license, you aren’t allowed to fly, since you don’t get a temporary permit in Germany for an initial license. For me, that were 3 horrible weeks of waiting and checking the mailbox every day. I would have rather done multiple checkrides instead. 😬
Ours fell through, now my kid is waiting another 6 months. The FAA has some work to do to provide a sufficient number of DPEs.
Same thing happened to me yesterday.
Great to hear from the DPEs 👍
Really enjoyed this “In the Hangar” Thanks guys!!
Great Video everyone.....love this channel.
Great show.
great Convo!!!
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This is as comfortable as you will ever be around a DPE.
My instructor here in Australia gets calls from anonymous people he does not know - "I need a flight review - are you available tomorrow and what's the cost?" ("Sorry, not available any time soon.") And the best one he had was someone with three weeks off, wanting to go full private licence - in 3 weeks.
Wow. We do have three week zero to hero here in the states. But very $$$
These dudes must be loaded with cash
They are spending it all on their Stearman’s
There are definitely DPEs that fully charge to retest a failed check ride. Some of our local students are having to come up with $1500 a go. The cost can definitely add to anxiety.
It seems to be getting more difficult to find a DPE and most do not want to ‘back up date’ for weather. This, IMO, is contributing to the lack of respect for a DPE’s time.
The process is certainly worth a review because it’s just getting harder for DPEs and students alike. The FAA also has the reputation of being somewhat unsupportive of DPEs in the recent past as well. Feds Against Aviation was termed for a number of situations…
G,day from Sydney Australia.
I'm alittle suprised that applicants payments go straight to the Designated Pilot Examiner DPE.
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Not that way Down Under?
Oh, do they allow inflite video recording during the test?
No.
Because they can make $1500 to $2000 a day riding in an air conditioned jet eating an overpriced catered sandwich, or make $700 doing endless paperwork, sweating to death in a 172, then attaching their ratings to a brand new PPL's license...which would you rather do...
You know... the thing is - with DPE's being so difficult to schedule due to availability issues, it has created this problem of mass emailing DPE's. A person could spend days of calling trying to get a hold of DPE's only to be turned down during that entire time. Certainly Joe/Joey need to have boundaries in how they do their work, but the constraints of DPE availability has created this situation.
Hello from Minnesota! Great episode!
Great episode ! I could listen to these guys all day. Would love to do a CASH ride with them .
☑️👍 more of the Joe’s and Chewy please!
Can y’all have both DPE’s and cover an episode all about AVIATION WEATHER please?!?
Or Mr Casey since I know he mentioned weather and aerodynamics is one of his favorite topics.
That’s a pretty broad subject… do you have a specific area of Wx?
Yes, a few things actually.
1) Moisture/precipitation
2) Weather systems formations including air masses and fronts
3) thunderstorms and microburst
4) icing and freezing level information
Please and thank you in advance 😁
Oh and also, thank you for all you guys do for the aviation community.
@@frenchman4410 Some good ideas there. We did have Joe talk about icing recently: ruclips.net/video/8ABDgEeIkRM/видео.html
Interesting information all around. So American DPEs typically don't do IFR checkrides in IMC. What about ordinary instruction for certificates and ratings, will your typically U.S. instructor be wary of instruction in IMC as well? Or is the problem strictly the difficulty trying to assertain who the PIC is when there are rules that preclude the examiner and the applicant, thus leaving no genuinely valid choice.
Absolutely we will fly with the instructor in actual IMC. I know in my training when we had such a day it was perfect. The instructor filed, and then requested just vectoring out in our play area to keep us in the clouds. It was amazing, and wonderful.