What Refree did in first round was ridiculous.... Sumit was dominating the bout. With no bias i would say Peters is a great talent, but refree was Pathetic
Every time the Australian is in the defence and the Indian is winning, the referee stops the fight to give the Australian a break to regain his feet. Very bad refereeing by that man... Shame on the organizers for keeping him in the ring.
even if sumit won the first round, cal took next 2 rounds easy, thats what cal does to you, he drains ur energy and then drowns u with punches so u lose
sumit needs more training.. and stamina... he was totally out of gas.. despite getting badly hit in 1st round the australian came banging....... but when Sumit got hit, he totally gone blacked out.. ..
A critique of the Referee's judging performance in this boxing match. As a quick summary, you will find my analysis suggests that the Referee does not perform as poorly as indicated by the TV commentators and those commenting in this thread. I observed throughout the commonwealth games that the boxing television commentators often display a partial or mixed knowledge of the specific rules of amateur boxing-conflating their more familiar domain, professional boxing, and aspects of its rules and practices upon the sport of amateur boxing. It's important to note that whilst both are similar, the amateur Referee's technical elements and remit differ from that of a professional ring. Let's take time to review the fight in detail. The actors in this analysis are: Referee: Etsogile Ngwako (Botswana) Red Boxer: Sumit (India) Blue Boxer: Peters (Australia) Commentator 1: Ronald McIntosh Commentator 2: Richie Woodhall Two particular fouls that we will focus on are: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Head Up Foul Take time to learn about this foul from an amateur perspective here: ruclips.net/video/XYyka0_Csmc/видео.html "Head Up Foul - A boxer might receive a "head up" caution/warning for dropping their head below their opponent's waist band/foul line or bending at the waist. Prevent this by bending your knees and hips to lower your level, keep the chin tucked in the chest and eyes on your opponent." In every amateur boxing match, boxers are reminded about this at the beginning of the bout. The signal for this foul is clear and well established; more on that later. 2: Hitting with an open glove, the inside of the glove, wrist or side of the hand. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now to dive into a review of the fight by timeline. I will use RUclips as the time reference point. RUclips video time: 2m:38s: The Referee correctly reminds the boxers to keep their head up. Round 1: ------------ 3m:09s: Red begins to commit the "head up foul". We can't see it clearly, but Sumit glances to his left, which is a neutral corner, so it's not his corner; instead, I believe the Referee is giving a soft caution to keep the head up. 3m:21s A legitimate standing 8 count by the Referee on Peters, given Sumit's right heavy punch. 3m:44s: Sumit lands several blows side to side on peters body (shoe shining is the term), but these punches appear to be using the inside of the glove. 3m:48s: Referee calls STOP and cautions Sumit for committing the "head up foul". The caution and hand signal are very clear. Simultaneously in this caution, the Referee highlights to Sumit that he was not using the knuckle part of the glove. 4m:04s: Sumit is committing the head-up foul. At this point, he has been both soft cautioned and formally cautioned about this foul. 4m:32s: Sumit commits the head-up foul again; he tilts forward, drops the head and actual butts into Peters. You will see Sumit do this throughout the fight, and I don't think he realizes it is a foul. The Referee now feels he has no option but to warn the boxer and deduct the point. 4min:40 The hand signal for the head-up foul is obvious Ritchie Woodall appears to have missed, or misunderstood the foul, and uses the term "Illegal use of the head". Yes in a way but it suggests a lack of understanding of the terminology and the rule. 5m:05s: McIntosh repeats Woodhall's miss description of the foul. In this next part I stray into some conjecture. 5m:40s: Sumit takes a stinging right hand; McIntosh calls it a "beautiful right hand", which it is. The Referee sees it, and IMO could begin an 8 count; however, the Referee is arguably slightly out of position; this observation IMO is what is in the Referee's mind as he closes the gap on the boxers. 5m:45s: Peters catches Sumit with a left; it's hard to see but rewatch the video, both commentators miss it, and the Referee is fully sighted on it. the Referee begins his eight count due, in my mind, to a combination of both punches. Yes, Sumit does land a subsequent punch on Peters, which the commentators then latch onto, missing the significance of the previous two punches by Peters. It's not a howling mistake, as McIntosh suggests. 5m:58s: McIntosh expresses his disapproval of the Referee; however, if you re-watch the fight, armed with a better knowledge of the rules of amateur boxing, you will see the Referee has to this point, made no significant mistakes. Round 2: ------------ 7m:18s: we can see Sumit re-commit the foul #2 described above, this time to the head rather than the body, the foul of not punching with the knuckle part of the glove. Recall the Referee has cautioned Sumit for this in round 1, so good refereeing he calls STOP and cautions Sumit again. 7m:28s: Woodhall expresses that he is puzzled by the Referee. 7m:46s: Referee calls STOP to reposition the boxers. I am unsure why this intervention. 8m:02s: One could again argue Sumit gets away with committing that head-up foul. 8m:33s: Great shot by Peters, which leads to another legitimate 8 count on Sumit. 9m:03s: - One could argue that Sumit commits that head-up full combined with a push. 9m:05s: Referee cautions Sumit for a punch behind the head. A good call by the Referee. McIntosh comments that it's a "stern talking to by the Referee to Sumit", I suspect McIntosh missed the foul and doesn't actually know what the stern talking to was for, even though both the foul and the subsequent warning with hand signal by the Referee were very clear. Round 3: ------------ 10m:55s: We see the Referee correctly use the opportunity at the beginning of the round to advise Sumit to keep his head up and ensure he doesn't use the inside of the glove. Good refereeing. 10m:15s: Solid punch by Peters followed shortly by another great punch - legitimate 8 count for Sumit 10m:45s: We can see the Referee again verbally soft caution Sumit about the low head. This pattern used by the Referee of a soft caution, full caution, warning with point deduction, and then back to a soft caution may feel unnatural. Still, it is entirely legitimate and explicitly noted in amateur boxing rules. 11m:53s: Sumit continues to commit the head-up foul two times, minimum more, from this point onwards. 11m:57s: Referee cautions him again. 12m:02s: Woodhall says the Referee is "having a nightmare". It's not the Referee who is having the nightmare in this fight; instead, the commentators should explain these nuances to the audience. 13m:0s: Sumit continues to repeat that head-up foul, and in my mind, given the precedence of the fight, Sumit should be warned again with another point deduction. 13m:14s: Sumit does it again. 13m:25s: Good soft caution by the Referee for a push by Sumit. Fight Summary: 14m: McIntosh is right, "what a contest", a fantastic boxing match The outcry and criticism surrounding this fight distils down to your understanding, interpretation, and application of the "heads up" foul. I think the referee is unfairly criticized for his performance in the fight based application of the rules. Like many things in life, its easy to criticize from a seated position. If you have ever refereed any sport, and in particular boxing, you would have a new found understanding for how challenging it is.
When you're in the ring vs 2 opponents.
What Refree did in first round was ridiculous.... Sumit was dominating the bout. With no bias i would say Peters is a great talent, but refree was Pathetic
Was aka gassed him self in the first then proceeded to get a hiding the next 2 rounds
Every time the Australian is in the defence and the Indian is winning, the referee stops the fight to give the Australian a break to regain his feet. Very bad refereeing by that man... Shame on the organizers for keeping him in the ring.
Refree is in learning stage, sumit was dominating from first round, due to refree sumit lose the match
Referee was absolute garbage but Australian was clearly the better boxer and deserved the win.
even if sumit won the first round, cal took next 2 rounds easy, thats what cal does to you, he drains ur energy and then drowns u with punches so u lose
Is always a show off from the Indian boxer. In the end the real boxer win.😂😂😂
Rafree fully helping blue corner boxer
The refere messed evening for red corner
Kundu bit a Orthodox style.. No upper cut at all... Vijender has aged but we mis him in 75 category.
Bhut banaya good
sumit needs more training.. and stamina... he was totally out of gas.. despite getting badly hit in 1st round the australian came banging....... but when Sumit got hit, he totally gone blacked out.. ..
I think Sumit needs to pay attention to defense as well. You can't take that many punches from the opponent and hope to win.
Referee is after Sumit
Referee helping his colonial masters win ...
What the fuck was that
A critique of the Referee's judging performance in this boxing match.
As a quick summary, you will find my analysis suggests that the Referee does not perform as poorly as indicated by the TV commentators and those commenting in this thread.
I observed throughout the commonwealth games that the boxing television commentators often display a partial or mixed knowledge of the specific rules of amateur boxing-conflating their more familiar domain, professional boxing, and aspects of its rules and practices upon the sport of amateur boxing. It's important to note that whilst both are similar, the amateur Referee's technical elements and remit differ from that of a professional ring.
Let's take time to review the fight in detail.
The actors in this analysis are:
Referee: Etsogile Ngwako (Botswana)
Red Boxer: Sumit (India)
Blue Boxer: Peters (Australia)
Commentator 1: Ronald McIntosh
Commentator 2: Richie Woodhall
Two particular fouls that we will focus on are:
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1. Head Up Foul
Take time to learn about this foul from an amateur perspective here: ruclips.net/video/XYyka0_Csmc/видео.html
"Head Up Foul - A boxer might receive a "head up" caution/warning for dropping their head below their opponent's waist band/foul line or bending at the waist. Prevent this by bending your knees and hips to lower your level, keep the chin tucked in the chest and eyes on your opponent."
In every amateur boxing match, boxers are reminded about this at the beginning of the bout. The signal for this foul is clear and well established; more on that later.
2: Hitting with an open glove, the inside of the glove, wrist or side of the hand.
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Now to dive into a review of the fight by timeline. I will use RUclips as the time reference point.
RUclips video time: 2m:38s: The Referee correctly reminds the boxers to keep their head up.
Round 1:
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3m:09s: Red begins to commit the "head up foul". We can't see it clearly, but Sumit glances to his left, which is a neutral corner, so it's not his corner; instead, I believe the Referee is giving a soft caution to keep the head up.
3m:21s A legitimate standing 8 count by the Referee on Peters, given Sumit's right heavy punch.
3m:44s: Sumit lands several blows side to side on peters body (shoe shining is the term), but these punches appear to be using the inside of the glove.
3m:48s: Referee calls STOP and cautions Sumit for committing the "head up foul". The caution and hand signal are very clear.
Simultaneously in this caution, the Referee highlights to Sumit that he was not using the knuckle part of the glove.
4m:04s: Sumit is committing the head-up foul. At this point, he has been both soft cautioned and formally cautioned about this foul.
4m:32s: Sumit commits the head-up foul again; he tilts forward, drops the head and actual butts into Peters. You will see Sumit do this throughout the fight, and I don't think he realizes it is a foul.
The Referee now feels he has no option but to warn the boxer and deduct the point.
4min:40 The hand signal for the head-up foul is obvious
Ritchie Woodall appears to have missed, or misunderstood the foul, and uses the term "Illegal use of the head". Yes in a way but it suggests a lack of understanding of the terminology and the rule.
5m:05s: McIntosh repeats Woodhall's miss description of the foul.
In this next part I stray into some conjecture.
5m:40s: Sumit takes a stinging right hand; McIntosh calls it a "beautiful right hand", which it is. The Referee sees it, and IMO could begin an 8 count; however, the Referee is arguably slightly out of position; this observation IMO is what is in the Referee's mind as he closes the gap on the boxers.
5m:45s: Peters catches Sumit with a left; it's hard to see but rewatch the video, both commentators miss it, and the Referee is fully sighted on it. the Referee begins his eight count due, in my mind, to a combination of both punches. Yes, Sumit does land a subsequent punch on Peters, which the commentators then latch onto, missing the significance of the previous two punches by Peters.
It's not a howling mistake, as McIntosh suggests.
5m:58s: McIntosh expresses his disapproval of the Referee; however, if you re-watch the fight, armed with a better knowledge of the rules of amateur boxing, you will see the Referee has to this point, made no significant mistakes.
Round 2:
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7m:18s: we can see Sumit re-commit the foul #2 described above, this time to the head rather than the body, the foul of not punching with the knuckle part of the glove. Recall the Referee has cautioned Sumit for this in round 1, so good refereeing he calls STOP and cautions Sumit again.
7m:28s: Woodhall expresses that he is puzzled by the Referee.
7m:46s: Referee calls STOP to reposition the boxers. I am unsure why this intervention.
8m:02s: One could again argue Sumit gets away with committing that head-up foul.
8m:33s: Great shot by Peters, which leads to another legitimate 8 count on Sumit.
9m:03s: - One could argue that Sumit commits that head-up full combined with a push.
9m:05s: Referee cautions Sumit for a punch behind the head. A good call by the Referee.
McIntosh comments that it's a "stern talking to by the Referee to Sumit", I suspect McIntosh missed the foul and doesn't actually know what the stern talking to was for, even though both the foul and the subsequent warning with hand signal by the Referee were very clear.
Round 3:
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10m:55s: We see the Referee correctly use the opportunity at the beginning of the round to advise Sumit to keep his head up and ensure he doesn't use the inside of the glove. Good refereeing.
10m:15s: Solid punch by Peters followed shortly by another great punch - legitimate 8 count for Sumit
10m:45s: We can see the Referee again verbally soft caution Sumit about the low head.
This pattern used by the Referee of a soft caution, full caution, warning with point deduction, and then back to a soft caution may feel unnatural. Still, it is entirely legitimate and explicitly noted in amateur boxing rules.
11m:53s: Sumit continues to commit the head-up foul two times, minimum more, from this point onwards.
11m:57s: Referee cautions him again.
12m:02s: Woodhall says the Referee is "having a nightmare". It's not the Referee who is having the nightmare in this fight; instead, the commentators should explain these nuances to the audience.
13m:0s: Sumit continues to repeat that head-up foul, and in my mind, given the precedence of the fight, Sumit should be warned again with another point deduction.
13m:14s: Sumit does it again.
13m:25s: Good soft caution by the Referee for a push by Sumit.
Fight Summary:
14m: McIntosh is right, "what a contest", a fantastic boxing match
The outcry and criticism surrounding this fight distils down to your understanding, interpretation, and application of the "heads up" foul.
I think the referee is unfairly criticized for his performance in the fight based application of the rules.
Like many things in life, its easy to criticize from a seated position. If you have ever refereed any sport, and in particular boxing, you would have a new found understanding for how challenging it is.
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The red guy is not even throwing clear punch.
Referee a disgrace to boxing.
Apauling ref
Is red forget defending dam it 😡
Disgusting Refreeing shameful
Sumit an all out winner..he was fighting against the Callum and the referee as well..disgraceful refreeing..
aussie boxer was the better boxer
Refree sack him
Mf refree
Wtf is wrong with the referee?
Referee was clearly Biased
The referee won it. He should be kicked out with dignity. Politics and bribe everywhere. Shame.
Waht a third grade rafree he is !! 🤬
Lol what did India do to the ref. That ref is a mess . Get rid of him. He ruined the fight
the referee messed it up for the Indian Boxer.
the indian boxer mucked it up by not pasing himself properly.
Refree was absolute rubbish but Australian was the better boxer clearly.
that referee is the chelsea referee
Sold out referee, licking the boots of his Master.
Rafree totly bad, bakwas
but what is wrong with the refree? keeps on confusing the indian boxer yet he was the one scoring most??
That refree 🥲🥲
Rafree always harash red corner,alys giving warning
Must have been promised a cheque the referee
Get this bullshit Referee out
worstreferrr
This was one heck of an entertaining fight. So clean,,, not much holding and grabbing.