So here's a little fun fact: The word that I claim is hardest in the vid (not naming it in the pinned comment to prevent spoilers) actually WAS a daily Wordle answer! It was Wordle 130 on October 27th. Thank you to NomiBoy for pointing that out to me. Unfortunately, Wordle only started getting mainstream attention around Wordle #200, so without the mass twitter posts there's not really any way of knowing how players did on that word. If you're someone who's been playing Wordle for that long and remember this puzzle, I'd love to know how you did on it!
I'm pretty sure that the code is 3Blue1Brown's original video had a bug in it, as he made a follow up video after. Not sure if the code he put in the description had the bug in it.
@@Pokecheeese i havent played it but if i had played it with my current strategy it would look like this (G=Gray R=Green Y=Yellow): GGGGG (Flick) RRGGG (Bodes) GGGGR (Angry) GGGGG (Thump) RRRGR (Booby) RRRRR (Boozy) 6/6
Three main points I'd like to make: 1) There are starting sets that are complete, meaning they will always find every word (not in the set) in exactly 6 tries! Doesn't really mean anything for this video, but it's an interesting fact! 2) A lot of (and I'd wager probably most) people play wordle on "hardmode", whether or not they activate the setting. This means if they reveal any tiles, they MUST use those tiles in their later guesses. This means words that are likely to be one letter off due to obscurity (hence, SWILL). Also double letters are inherently more difficult simply because you have to guess the same letter twice, and the only metric from your three which accounts for that is the third one. 3) Not a very important point, because there is so much opinion and bias in this answer, along with quite arbitrary weightings, but meh that's where the fun is :D thanks for the video it was entertaining
On point 3: I completely agree! I don't think there's a way to answer this question without any of that short of pure experimentation, so I did my best to work with that I had. I will say that at no point did I go back and tinker/modify anything to change the results, I just defined my method and accepted whatever words showed up at the end. Honestly I'm still pretty happy with my top word because it has those typical difficulty traits like a double letter and an uncommon letter. I think a player playing in hard mode/pseudo hard mode would still struggle with it.
"We're imperfect creatures with imperfect knowledge about wordle" That quote along with the picture makes it sound like wordle has been around for 200 million years 😂
@@blazoraptor3392 Well, if we count chess engines, we have practically perfect knowledge about every possible chess position. (As in if we plug in any position, we will almost always know the definitive best moves for both sides.)
Nice video! I like your methodology here. I think it would be nice to have a way to determine word frequency for words that aren't length 5, so that if someone wanted to make a non-length-5 Wordle clone there'd be a good way to create the answer vs accepted lists. Also, I do have my own solver that I've been tinkering with, and it makes the following word pair/triplet suggestions which I noticed weren't in your list of suggestions used. I've recently played the triplet on Wordle unlimited and it's actually quite impressive how nice it is for a human to follow-up from. Pair: carse doilt Triplet: table crimp synod There are only three words for that triplet which take my solver 6 guesses (and none more than 6). Those are: jolly, rover, and stave One final thing: Your "hardest word" has definitely come up in daily multi-wordles. If you can find a day that it happened, you could search twitter for those results.
I specifically remember when the wordle was swill. I was on vacation in South Carolina and I attempted it that morning. I got it in 6 that morning and I had absolutely no clue what that word was. Later than night we went out to get pizza and for the first time ever, played wordle with my aunt and uncle and introduced it to my mom. So my mom’s first wordle was one of the hardest wordles ever
The puzzle at 2:18 was Event also 2 of my previous starting sets were listed at 12:43 (Rates Dinky Gumbo and Rales Found Pitch) so thanks for including those! Ok my newest starting set was also included as the last set in the list (Stare Plonk Fudgy Chimb at 13:06) so thanks for including that too! Loved the video, you went very in depth and I have no clue how you aren't more popular than 2 thousand subs, but that's the algorithm i guess.
My favorite set is Great Slink Pouch, but I only use the set on stuff like dordles, quordles, and octordles, because I want to get the least guesses on the daily wordle.
I wish you added an obscurity factor in the third metric. Just because there may be 4 answers left after a particular set doesn't mean all 4 words are equally likely to be guessed next.
I think the optimal play should be weighted lower than the other two scores, since it doesn’t come into play in a real wordle game. That would place Bezel in first I think
Amazing quality video and I cannot wait until your subscriber count shoots up. Been following you for what must be a couple months now and have loved all the content you've been producing! Cheers mate, keep it up:)
I made a python bot recently to come up with the hardest words (on the wordle list) and the top ones were Fuzzy, Glyph, and Jiffy. Edit: just looked at the video and fuzzy is up there too :)
Ooh, I was wondering if anyone else had tried to answer this question. Obviously, depending on what your method is, you're going to get different results. On my final list, fuzzy was 244th, glyph was 224th, and jiffy was 12th!
Did you consider guessing and testing (I wasn't really paying attention)? For example, if the answer is CANNY and I am at CAN_Y and don't know the word, I commonly try letters in keyboard order until i get a valid word
I actually thought of crone almost immediately and didn't even realize prone was also possible until you mentioned it. Not sure if I should feel like a Gigachad or dumb for blanking out on basic vocabulary.
Actually, in case of swill spill still shill skill, the optimal strategy after seeing s_ill might be using a guess to eliminate several letters at once. For example, PHoTo
a majority of people who play Wordle won't bother to do this, and even those who do might still (heh) struggle to think of the word SWILL - I didn't even know the word existed!
This is a really good video! I have been subscribed to you for a good long while, and have watched these videos get just more and more interesting with higher quality. One of my favorite channels by now! Super underrated!
Always see you post your puzzles on the community tab but I havent acctually seen one of your videos lol. This was an awesome video, definitely gets a like from me!
My current very successful starting set is SUITE & HOARY. If the first word confirms an E in final spot, then my second word is HOARD. I can solve in 3 guesses about half the time. My previous not as good starting set was SEPIA & COURT.
The thing about daily wordle metrics like scrubbing the data off twitter is that it probably introduces bias, with early words that appeared when players were still trying to figure out the best strategy doing way better than they should.
Yeah, and not many people played before swill was an answer, so theres just about no twitter data on how hard “sower” was for example because it was only the 40 somethingth wordle. Also when mass people started playing around wordle 200, everyone just assumed to get rid of as many vowels as quickly as possible with wordle like audio which made wordle traps even more deadly
1:04 You would also want to account for the fact that the players may develop their own strategies and get closer to optimal plays as they get closer to completing all 2315 games
17:54 JAZZY!! YEAAAAH! that’s my starter word!! i’m so proud to see it up there :D and great video! the presentation, math, and explanations are all really great. Also, i was playing when SWILL came and it was terrible. I didn’t fail but i got it in 5 or 6 if i recall correctly. i didn’t know of the word swill until i solved it, but i was at the point where i was pressing enter on just about anything that looked like a word.
heres an interesting set for you: BRIEF HONDA GUSTY CLUMP it does repeat a u but unless its something like ADIEU if theres a u in the word it will usually place it
2:38 The trick is to put “WAXER” in the fifth answer in order to guess correctly on the next guess. It has both a W and an X, it has an “ER” at the end, and if you get none of those, use “TERRA” to solve the puzzle.
It would be interesting to repeat this analysis only with the words that have come out so far in Wordle and see how different the results are from Twitter's
XYXYL will never be a Wordle answer. It's not in the answer list, only the list of words it accepts as guesses. As such he didn't consider it for "hardest game".
I'd say it's FLUFF. You'll get the LU, you might end up guessing something like BLUFF on your last answer, only to realize you've been bamboozled. In general, three of the same letter, like NANNY, these are the worst.
My class does wordle unlimited to start the day, for sure one of the hardest words is polyp. We tried to tell him it was unfair to take away the point but he just laughed
How is plier number 1 lol, same with recut, outgo, elate, unfed, corer, and parer. The only two I dont know are bused and axion and i think a lot of other people know those 8 too lol
My favorite opening word is Stale and seems like this program has a similar word with just the 't' being at the end. Any reason why Salet might be better? I just thought Stale would be nice because it shares places of the vowels with another popular opening 'Crane'
Lol I tried it on adverswordle and it took the AI 8 guesses to get your hardest word. Great video and thanks for the satisfaction of watching adverswordle struggle for once lol.
Audio isn't an objectively good start, but for a human it can be helpful since it finds most vowels. Although it lacks E, the most common vowel. I use "slate" then follow it up with "rhino" or "curio"
So here's a little fun fact: The word that I claim is hardest in the vid (not naming it in the pinned comment to prevent spoilers) actually WAS a daily Wordle answer! It was Wordle 130 on October 27th. Thank you to NomiBoy for pointing that out to me.
Unfortunately, Wordle only started getting mainstream attention around Wordle #200, so without the mass twitter posts there's not really any way of knowing how players did on that word.
If you're someone who's been playing Wordle for that long and remember this puzzle, I'd love to know how you did on it!
I'm pretty sure that the code is 3Blue1Brown's original video had a bug in it, as he made a follow up video after. Not sure if the code he put in the description had the bug in it.
@@BunkeredGaming It did have a bug, but that bug was unrelated to any of the functions I used it for in this video.
@@Pokecheeese i havent played it but if i had played it with my current strategy it would look like this (G=Gray R=Green Y=Yellow):
GGGGG (Flick)
RRGGG (Bodes)
GGGGR (Angry)
GGGGG (Thump)
RRRGR (Booby)
RRRRR (Boozy)
6/6
I would have gotten that in 5.
I have a problem with the code: I am a dumb child, and what if I'm just being dumb and dont get it?
2:13 The puzzle you managed to sneak in is here and the answer should be EVENT. Also, this video was insanely well made. Props.
“a guess is a guess. you can’t say it’s only a half” great reference
comedy
Now I wanna learn about parallel universes again.
Three main points I'd like to make:
1) There are starting sets that are complete, meaning they will always find every word (not in the set) in exactly 6 tries! Doesn't really mean anything for this video, but it's an interesting fact!
2) A lot of (and I'd wager probably most) people play wordle on "hardmode", whether or not they activate the setting. This means if they reveal any tiles, they MUST use those tiles in their later guesses. This means words that are likely to be one letter off due to obscurity (hence, SWILL). Also double letters are inherently more difficult simply because you have to guess the same letter twice, and the only metric from your three which accounts for that is the third one.
3) Not a very important point, because there is so much opinion and bias in this answer, along with quite arbitrary weightings, but meh that's where the fun is :D
thanks for the video it was entertaining
On point 3: I completely agree! I don't think there's a way to answer this question without any of that short of pure experimentation, so I did my best to work with that I had.
I will say that at no point did I go back and tinker/modify anything to change the results, I just defined my method and accepted whatever words showed up at the end.
Honestly I'm still pretty happy with my top word because it has those typical difficulty traits like a double letter and an uncommon letter. I think a player playing in hard mode/pseudo hard mode would still struggle with it.
a guess is a guess. You can't say it's only a half
lmao
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6:08
Tj “Henry” Yoshi
Hahaha!
"We're imperfect creatures with imperfect knowledge about wordle" That quote along with the picture makes it sound like wordle has been around for 200 million years 😂
Sounds like something someone would say about chess lmao
@@blazoraptor3392 Well, if we count chess engines, we have practically perfect knowledge about every possible chess position. (As in if we plug in any position, we will almost always know the definitive best moves for both sides.)
@@ziwuri yes, but we're not computers.
Nice video! I like your methodology here. I think it would be nice to have a way to determine word frequency for words that aren't length 5, so that if someone wanted to make a non-length-5 Wordle clone there'd be a good way to create the answer vs accepted lists.
Also, I do have my own solver that I've been tinkering with, and it makes the following word pair/triplet suggestions which I noticed weren't in your list of suggestions used. I've recently played the triplet on Wordle unlimited and it's actually quite impressive how nice it is for a human to follow-up from.
Pair: carse doilt
Triplet: table crimp synod
There are only three words for that triplet which take my solver 6 guesses (and none more than 6). Those are: jolly, rover, and stave
One final thing: Your "hardest word" has definitely come up in daily multi-wordles. If you can find a day that it happened, you could search twitter for those results.
Lol i found you
Hi rangsk
Lol I found you
Pair: soare unity
Triplet: slice party hound
I think these are best
I specifically remember when the wordle was swill. I was on vacation in South Carolina and I attempted it that morning. I got it in 6 that morning and I had absolutely no clue what that word was. Later than night we went out to get pizza and for the first time ever, played wordle with my aunt and uncle and introduced it to my mom. So my mom’s first wordle was one of the hardest wordles ever
You should create playlists of speedruns, and videos like this for people who only care for one type
The puzzle at 2:18 was Event
also 2 of my previous starting sets were listed at 12:43 (Rates Dinky Gumbo and Rales Found Pitch) so thanks for including those!
Ok my newest starting set was also included as the last set in the list (Stare Plonk Fudgy Chimb at 13:06) so thanks for including that too!
Loved the video, you went very in depth and I have no clue how you aren't more popular than 2 thousand subs, but that's the algorithm i guess.
Top notch quality, editing and script. You'll get big on RUclips
My favorite set is Great Slink Pouch, but I only use the set on stuff like dordles, quordles, and octordles, because I want to get the least guesses on the daily wordle.
I wish you added an obscurity factor in the third metric. Just because there may be 4 answers left after a particular set doesn't mean all 4 words are equally likely to be guessed next.
I think the optimal play should be weighted lower than the other two scores, since it doesn’t come into play in a real wordle game.
That would place Bezel in first I think
I remember my first Wordle game- it was actually the Swill one, so I learned a new word that day.
Nice! My guess for hardest word was jazzy, since I think an AI found that jazz is the hardest hangman word. Cool to see it ranked 10th!
Amazing quality video and I cannot wait until your subscriber count shoots up. Been following you for what must be a couple months now and have loved all the content you've been producing!
Cheers mate, keep it up:)
I made a python bot recently to come up with the hardest words (on the wordle list) and the top ones were Fuzzy, Glyph, and Jiffy.
Edit: just looked at the video and fuzzy is up there too :)
Ooh, I was wondering if anyone else had tried to answer this question. Obviously, depending on what your method is, you're going to get different results.
On my final list, fuzzy was 244th, glyph was 224th, and jiffy was 12th!
@@Pokecheeese Wallnut finds it interesting that two programs meant for the same thing can find totally different solutions.
I'll get glyph pretty easily
watch it be grrrl or xylyl
edit1: thanks for likes
edit2:I know the difference between answers and guesses
They aren't solutions so no. Also if those could be it it could be many more obscure words like nduja or tyiyn
@@baactiba3039 ydrad
I originally thought pzazz or crwth
Or phpht
@@baactiba3039 ye true
Nice job for this effort! No wonder it took you a while to put another video out!
Did you consider guessing and testing (I wasn't really paying attention)?
For example, if the answer is CANNY and I am at CAN_Y and don't know the word, I commonly try letters in keyboard order until i get a valid word
12:45 interesting, my starter for squabble is
"turns gaped filch womby"
for regular wordle, "slate" followed by "rhino" or "curio"
i use slate too, but i alternate between chino and rhino
brawn cloth feuds gimpy was what i found for the 20 most common letters
@@Redddragon yo
I use "slate" and then "irony"
@@Redddragon i think K is better than W
I actually thought of crone almost immediately and didn't even realize prone was also possible until you mentioned it. Not sure if I should feel like a Gigachad or dumb for blanking out on basic vocabulary.
Actually, in case of swill spill still shill skill, the optimal strategy after seeing s_ill might be using a guess to eliminate several letters at once. For example, PHoTo
Hard mode
WHiPT
@@jellomochas Great! This word would allow to find the correct answer exactly in two guesses.
a majority of people who play Wordle won't bother to do this, and even those who do might still (heh) struggle to think of the word SWILL - I didn't even know the word existed!
Also we had the word "skill" before
This is a really good video! I have been subscribed to you for a good long while, and have watched these videos get just more and more interesting with higher quality. One of my favorite channels by now! Super underrated!
Always see you post your puzzles on the community tab but I havent acctually seen one of your videos lol. This was an awesome video, definitely gets a like from me!
I appreciate the 0.5 A presses reference very much. Thank you for being a nerd
Love the video! However the majority of players do not use more than 1 or 2 starting words so the 3rd metric isn’t great
My current very successful starting set is SUITE & HOARY. If the first word confirms an E in final spot, then my second word is HOARD. I can solve in 3 guesses about half the time. My previous not as good starting set was SEPIA & COURT.
13:26 or you could just guess waxen. W and x are included. And the E for eater would he green if it was eater. If none help. It's Terra
You could also just guess "eater"
Or water or extra. Only terra still has 50/50 eater/water.
@@owenaspinall2046 yeah so optimally, you should never guess terra in that situation
The thing about daily wordle metrics like scrubbing the data off twitter is that it probably introduces bias, with early words that appeared when players were still trying to figure out the best strategy doing way better than they should.
Yeah, and not many people played before swill was an answer, so theres just about no twitter data on how hard “sower” was for example because it was only the 40 somethingth wordle. Also when mass people started playing around wordle 200, everyone just assumed to get rid of as many vowels as quickly as possible with wordle like audio which made wordle traps even more deadly
Amazing research and analysis!
1:35 I really went “crone? But I don’t think that’s a word” 💀
1:04 You would also want to account for the fact that the players may develop their own strategies and get closer to optimal plays as they get closer to completing all 2315 games
6:13 Just wanted to say that was hilarious. Was not expecting SM64 when I clicked on this video
my favorite starter words are Nomad, Strip, then Fleck
a guess is a guess. You can’t say it’s only a half
a half is a half. You can't say it's only a guess
a half is a guess. You can’t say it’s only a half
a guess is a guess, you can’t say it’s a guess
A is is an is. You can’t say it’s only an is.
17:54
JAZZY!! YEAAAAH! that’s my starter word!! i’m so proud to see it up there :D
and great video! the presentation, math, and explanations are all really great.
Also, i was playing when SWILL came and it was terrible. I didn’t fail but i got it in 5 or 6 if i recall correctly. i didn’t know of the word swill until i solved it, but i was at the point where i was pressing enter on just about anything that looked like a word.
I think cysts would be a very difficult word to guess, but I know it's not in the wordle data set
I always thought it would be 'Jazzy'
heres an interesting set for you:
BRIEF HONDA GUSTY CLUMP
it does repeat a u but unless its something like ADIEU if theres a u in the word it will usually place it
Thats good
Great video, liked the way you did every metric
Btw for a daily puzzle on the community posts you should do a 4 letter wordle, i think it would be fun
somehow guessed crone on that "_rone"
2:38 The trick is to put “WAXER” in the fifth answer in order to guess correctly on the next guess. It has both a W and an X, it has an “ER” at the end, and if you get none of those, use “TERRA” to solve the puzzle.
Or just guess extra. Green a means terra, yellow e+yellow a means water, green e+yellow a is eater.
@@thenamelessdragonfish guessing eater also works
Guessing water also works
Terra is the only one that doesn't work, it has a 50/50 for eater and water
Xylyl,Skill,Caulk: im the hardest
*Boozy: NOPE*
I got lucky when the word was skill I got it in 2, my old starter word used to be skate
It would be interesting to repeat this analysis only with the words that have come out so far in Wordle and see how different the results are from Twitter's
My starters are 'dream, fight, bowls, punky' which has given me very consistent results.
Worth,saucy,being
W isn't great
I wanna compliment a great video and I appreciate the effort and content!
Hardest word I've seen so far is EPOXY, but I feel like XYXYL is also up there for indeterminate words
XYXYL will never be a Wordle answer. It's not in the answer list, only the list of words it accepts as guesses. As such he didn't consider it for "hardest game".
@@Rangsk Huh, didn't know that actually
@@amadodiallo3167 It's actually XYLYL not XYXYL
I'd say it's FLUFF. You'll get the LU, you might end up guessing something like BLUFF on your last answer, only to realize you've been bamboozled.
In general, three of the same letter, like NANNY, these are the worst.
I like the bug fables music
Honestly I myself wouldn’t mind doing a few thousand games of Wordle for an experiment
'Anyways' makes my skin crawl.
I actually thought of CRONE before PRONE lol
17:51 Man, the irony of me missing Alien in Wordle Archives, but getting Boozy (in five tries).
haven't finished watching yet but my go to would be MELEE
6:14 nice reference
My class does wordle unlimited to start the day, for sure one of the hardest words is polyp. We tried to tell him it was unfair to take away the point but he just laughed
If scrabble dictionary joined wordle, PAEON, AULOI, AIOLI, OIDIA, AIDOI and many more vowel dumps
My starting set is BEACH FUDGY KILNS TROMP
I use “Crate, Plush, Wonky” Hopefully this can add to your database!
“A guess is a guess. You cant just say its a half”
14:50 I thought he said booby is a c-word and ONLY a C-word, while showing a picture of a bird.
Then I realised he said sea bird, not Curse word...
What are the chances the unofficial Rubik's Cube world record is 2.68 seconds and the word Boozy scores that number.
Has it really not been beaten yet? Hasn't that been standing for months?
@@wildrubikslegokids1242 As far as I know it has not been beaten.
@@dudley1 Wer're literally talking about cubing right now. lol
@@wildrubikslegokids1242 Yes I know lol
And a lot of speedrunners for wordle also do cubing
Eclate might actually be the easiest word for me because I use slate as 1st guess always
The easiest for you is slate
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 bro im pretty sure slate aint gonan appear for the next 3 years
Im such a child, i keep giggling whenever booby is mentioned. I JUST THINK SEABIRDS ARE FUNNY.
Good video Mr. Cheese
Nice video! I enjoyed it a lot, and also was the thing at 11:52 from my screenshot in the wordle discord when I was still speedrunning faithful?
It's not the exact screenshot but I recreated it from memory lol
@@Pokecheeese Now I can say that I have contributed to a Pokecheese video
Is it a bad sign I actually thought "crone" first?
personally i think elate isn't too obscure of a word
Well I never heard it
What were the words on your thumbnail?
17:05 queue might be even harder.
The hardest for me was epoxy. Only time ive ever lost
best opening obviously pzazz, fluffy, mummy, mommy, poppy or you can use steak, stake, state, stats, takes
How is plier number 1 lol, same with recut, outgo, elate, unfed, corer, and parer. The only two I dont know are bused and axion and i think a lot of other people know those 8 too lol
True I have no idea how plier
A half guess is when you keep holding down your ending word from yesterday's puzzle to the start of today's.
My favorite opening word is Stale and seems like this program has a similar word with just the 't' being at the end. Any reason why Salet might be better? I just thought Stale would be nice because it shares places of the vowels with another popular opening 'Crane'
Lol I tried it on adverswordle and it took the AI 8 guesses to get your hardest word. Great video and thanks for the satisfaction of watching adverswordle struggle for once lol.
6:14 :o pannenkoek reference
The link to the full list doesn't work for me
Looks like the old links expired. I've updated them to Google docs so hopefully that won't be an issue in the future.
Thank you :)
The link to the full list cannot be accessed, could you please update it?Thank you.
Thanks for the heads up! I made the links Google docs so hopefully they'll never expire now.
If kazoo is on the answer list, it would definitely be pretty difficult
It wasn't originally in the answer list but the ny times added it
I failed getting "Boozy" yesterday which caused me to lose my streak of 50 on infinidle.
the sigma urge to calculate this for the allowed guess list too
I usually do either MAYBE TRICK SOUND or ALIEN SHORT DUCKY
Alien storm duchy
An A press is an A press! You can't say it's only half!
also, I use CREST and AUDIO for my start
Audio isn't an objectively good start, but for a human it can be helpful since it finds most vowels. Although it lacks E, the most common vowel.
I use "slate" then follow it up with "rhino" or "curio"
@@shadowyzephyr he said he does audio and crest
This was an awesome video. What’s the most average word?
2:01 my next "guess" is something with p and c
12:58 has a Z (rarest letter) and a Q (2nd rarest letter) but no E (most common letter)
Doesn't sound very good
Actually Z is 4th and Q is 2nd but still rare
Great video!
i use serai, godly, bumph and if i don’t get a lot from that i use track
yo bug fables music instant subscribe
But before we solve wordle, we need to talk about parallel universes
"I'll get straight to the point" said the person with the 20 minute video.
15:01 nymph appears in adieu stork nymph
Are there any websites that give the complete wordle list of 2,315 words? If so, where can I find them?
Search word finder you'll probably find one
moderately tempted to use Ryan's pfp to write that comment =)
0:45 🟩🟩🟩⬛️🟨 with Salet could also be Salts
Salts is not in the wordle answer list
It's not in the list
Tubes fling champ wordy is very helpful
It's not bad but it's missing K (20th most common) and has W (21st)
@@locomotivetrainstation6053 I know,which is why I suggested it because I know that w is less common but k I believe appears less
@@dvrk001 K has 194 answers and W has 190
That is only one interesting and fun maths lesson