Fact Check: The Big Ten had a No-Repeat Clause in its Rose Bowl Contract until 1971, meaning Ohio State was already ineligible for the Rose Bowl bid anyway when the season began. That rule also played into Penn State’s decision into choosing the Orange Bowl over the Cotton Bowl as everyone outside Michigan expected Ohio State to beat Michigan and remain #1 no natter what happened in Texas-Arkansas and the bowl games.
Joe Pa didn’t want the Cotton because of racism and the black players being unwelcome supposedly. But he should have picked the Cotton instead of whine about Nixon going in the Texas locker room and declaring them national champs. PSU had Lydell Mitchell and Franco Harris and may have beaten Texas, but we will never know now
@@bradtaylor4765 JoePa took a shot at President Nixon at 1973 commencement by asking how he (Nixon) could know so little about Watergate in 1973 and so much about college football in 1969.
@@GameShowMike well, with that in mind, Joe claimed to know nothing about Sandusky. Paterno coached way too long and all he cared about was beating Bowden in wins
This video was brilliant! And no, I didn't know either about the LSU "pissing off the Sugar Bowl" story either! For anyone who may be interested, there is a great book on the 1969 Texas Arkansas game, the teams, players and coaches. It is " Horns, Hogs & Nixon Coming ( Texas vs Arkansas in Dixie's Last Stand) by Terry Frei.
Had no idea about the LSU Bowl situation either. Paterno should've picked the Cotton Bowl and not blame anyone else for not playing for national championship.
Would you please consider doing one of these for 1989 and 2005? Those two years were similar for the fact that the top of the polls both years were the same for pretty much the entire season, but the action below the top was somewhat chaotic. However, '89 would end up anticlimactic, while 2005 ended up with arguably the greatest college football game of all time, and the latter year had arguably the greatest single weekend of all time, and at least for sure in the last 25-30 years.
Ohio State was never going to a bowl game that year. They couldn't "repeat" after going to Pasadena in '68. If they would have won that game versus UM, they would have been national champs without going anywhere. Alas....
That 69 Tennessee team absolutely blew it against Mississippi. My step dad was a student at UT when this happened and everyone was shocked that they had lost. It poisoned the remainder of the season too, we lost 14 - 13 to Florida in the Gator Bowl. What a waste for a very good Doug Dickey team. Underperformed.
3:32: The big issue, right or wrong, with Penn State not being appreciated in the polls, was their status as an independent and the perception, which had credence, that this resulted in a weak schedule. Much weaker compared to others who were in conferences with multiple powerhouse teams that played each other every year. The Big Ten, with Michigan, Ohio State and Purdue. The Southwest Conference, Texas and Arkansas. The Pacific 8 with USC, Oregon State and California. The Big 8 with Kansas and Missouri. Penn State in 1968 did not play a ranked team until the Orange Bowl on January 1 1969. Their regular season schedule consisted Kansas State, UCLA and the rest eastern teams, none of whom had a major presence. Ranked #3, in the Orange Bowl, they defeated the #6 ranked Kansas Jayhawks 15-14 on a controversial 2nd attempt of a 2 point conversion in the final minute after Kansas was called for a penalty when they stopped the initial 2 point play.
Some day in the future, somebody will make a video about the 2020's college football. It has been an eventful decade so far. It will probably only get crazier.
Thanks for watching. The 1960s started crazy and ended crazy, I did a video on the 1960, 1962, 1965, and 1969, so check those out too. I need to wait for the 2030s to see how crazy this decade will be, but I agree with you
1969 is my favorite year of college football. So many interesting story lines, the cool helmet and a lot of available games via actual broadcast. I'm not sure it would work today, but I sort of like the debate of whom would be national champion. Texas and Penn State both have a case to make and likely Ohio State would beat them both on a given saturday. Perhaps at the time it was frustrating, but looking back it's what makes it significant to people watching today whom were not even born in 1969.
williamford .......... thanks for info on book ......... that era of football was outstanding .......... the wishbone that texas ran ....... was incredible .......... and when coach royal helped out the sooners to develp their own bone ........... lookout texas and the rest of college football........... oklahoma football history , several parts , but especially from the wilkinson years thru the switzer years is a terrific story
I suppose Rutgers played Temple or Kent State this season. Why would they not just schedule Princeton? In fact it should be the first game every year televised on a major network. God help the world if I were Jeff Bazos, you get Princeton/Rutgers & Harvard/Yale every year on prime. 🤣🤣
Thanks for watching. Rutgers vs Princeton would have been cool to see in 2019 when it was the 150th anniversary of college football. But at this point Princeton probably wouldn't want to schedule Rutgers because they, and most of the Ivy League teams, don't really play FBS teams.
Reason that ABC made the switch for Arkansas/Texas from mid-October to December: Beano Cook (yes, him) was working as a liason between the NCAA and ABC after being fired as Pitt's SID-and had a gut feeling that the game could be HUGE, but also knew that they faced competition from potential World Series broadcasts on NBC (remember the WS had all day games back then) So, Beano urged ABC and Arkansas to make the December date
There was a brief discussion about moving the Texas-Arkansas game to Little Rock and playing the night of Oct. 18, but Broyles told Cook the lights at War Memorial Stadium were not up to broadcast standards (portable lightning for night games did not become a thing until Notre Dame hosted Michigan in 1982). That argument was the same reason Lambeau Field did not host a Monday Night Football game until 1979 (the Packers hosted MNF games in 1970, '71 and '73 in Milwaukee). In the Packers' case, the NFL and ABC sent execs to Green Bay and determined this to be so.
Two things your video gets wrong: 1. The UPI coaches poll did not conduct a post-bowl poll until 1974. They were almost forced to after their national champions of 1970 (Texas) and 1973 (Alabama) each lost their bowl games to Notre Dame. 2. Tennessee was the sole SEC champion of 1969. The Volunteers were 5-1 in conference games and LSU was 4-1. The Sugar Bowl's agreement to take the SEC champion did not become official until 1975. In December 1972, there was a non-SEC Sugar Bowl between Oklahoma and Penn State. The Sugar Bowl was stuck with the SEC runner-up in 1970 (Tennessee) and 1971 (Auburn), and its fourth place team (Florida) in 1974. This was an era where teams played an uneven number of conference games, and scheduling was not done by the conference office in Birmingham, but the individual schools. That's why so many SEC teams went many, many, many years without playing each other (for instance, LSU did not play Auburn from 1943-68, Georgia from 1954-77 or Vanderbilt from 1952-75; there were even gaps in the series vs. Alabama (1959-63) and Florida (1942-52, 1968-70)). In 1970, LSU again played only five conference games, winning them all to become champion (yes, LSU played SIX non-conference games in 1970 and '71, one of which was against Notre Dame). The SEC did not get involved in scheduling until 1972, and teams did not play the same number of conference games in a season until 1974.
OSU QB Rex Kern had a debilitating back injury in that game against Michigan. He shouldn't have played. The Buckeyes also lost their starting Tight End (Jan White) early in the game, to injury. Woody should've started a healthy backup QB and focused on running the ball. They got behind and Woody panicked, opting for one low-percentage pass after the next, leading to interceptions.
Sorry you didn’t have the film of James Street’s long 4th down completion to beat Arkansas. Was that a copyright issue? … As for the no repeat Big 10 rule, I wonder if the conference ADs could have voted to rescind it, or grant a waiver for Ohio State had they beaten Michigan. Also, my understanding is that whereas the Rose Bowl committee paid each non champion Pac and Big 10 team to stay away from other bowl games, each school had the option to turn down the offer. When bowl games became more lucrative than the committee’s cash, those conferences’ teams started going to other bowls. So I believe Ohio State could have gone to the Orange Bowl to settle the national champion question with Penn State had they finished undefeated.
Yes I couldn't use the James Street TD in any way due to copyright. And I've heard about the Rose Bowl paying each the Big Ten and Pac 12 extra money to spread among the non champs but I don't have any proof of that.
@MN04 You're exactly correct. It didn't matter if OSU did or didn't beat Michigan, they were not going to the Rose Bowl. Jack Tatum in his famous book "They Call Me Assassin" stated that that loss was the fault of the players and not the coaching staff. This was due to the fact that the team wasn't going to a bowl game, so the team wasn't as motivated. They also thought that they could easily beat a weaker team under a first year and one-time assistant coach of Woody's. His name was Schembechler.
LSU almost screwed itself out of a bowl game in 1970 as well. After losing 3-0 in South bend, the Bayou Bengals accepted an Orange Bowl bid, but if they lost to either Tulane or Ole Miss, the bid would be voided. LSU didn't blow it, beating the Green Wave 26-14 (Tulane's impressive performance in defeat earned it a Liberty Bowl bid, where the Greenies beat Colorado 17-3) and the Rebels (with Archie Manning wearing a heavy cast to protect a broken left forearm) 61-17.
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"I'd like to know, how could the President know so little about Watergate in 1973, and so much about college football in 1969” -JoePa
One of the best JoePa quotes ever. Thanks for watching.
@@WrongedSportsand yet “JoePa” didn’t know what his assistant coaches were doing?
Fact Check: The Big Ten had a No-Repeat Clause in its Rose Bowl Contract until 1971, meaning Ohio State was already ineligible for the Rose Bowl bid anyway when the season began. That rule also played into Penn State’s decision into choosing the Orange Bowl over the Cotton Bowl as everyone outside Michigan expected Ohio State to beat Michigan and remain #1 no natter what happened in Texas-Arkansas and the bowl games.
Joe Pa didn’t want the Cotton because of racism and the black players being unwelcome supposedly. But he should have picked the Cotton instead of whine about Nixon going in the Texas locker room and declaring them national champs. PSU had Lydell Mitchell and Franco Harris and may have beaten Texas, but we will never know now
Also, the coaches, (UPI poll) continued to ignore bowl games until 1974. Only the writers (AP poll) voted after the bowls in 1969-70.
@@44032 I’m aware, bro. I never liked that, but some still claim titles even though losing their bowl games.
@@bradtaylor4765 JoePa took a shot at President Nixon at 1973 commencement by asking how he (Nixon) could know so little about Watergate in 1973 and so much about college football in 1969.
@@GameShowMike well, with that in mind, Joe claimed to know nothing about Sandusky. Paterno coached way too long and all he cared about was beating Bowden in wins
This video was brilliant! And no, I didn't know either about the LSU "pissing off the Sugar Bowl" story either! For anyone who may be interested, there is a great book on the 1969 Texas Arkansas game, the teams, players and coaches. It is " Horns, Hogs & Nixon Coming ( Texas vs Arkansas in Dixie's Last Stand) by Terry Frei.
Lived in Fayetteville from 76-91, and I had a class with Art Hobson (one of the professors mentioned in the book) The book IS excellent
Had no idea about the LSU Bowl situation either. Paterno should've picked the Cotton Bowl and not blame anyone else for not playing for national championship.
Would you please consider doing one of these for 1989 and 2005? Those two years were similar for the fact that the top of the polls both years were the same for pretty much the entire season, but the action below the top was somewhat chaotic. However, '89 would end up anticlimactic, while 2005 ended up with arguably the greatest college football game of all time, and the latter year had arguably the greatest single weekend of all time, and at least for sure in the last 25-30 years.
Ohio State was never going to a bowl game that year. They couldn't "repeat" after going to Pasadena in '68. If they would have won that game versus UM, they would have been national champs without going anywhere. Alas....
Penn State should have played in the Cotton Bowl and then there would be no debate. It would have matched #1 vs #2.
That 69 Tennessee team absolutely blew it against Mississippi. My step dad was a student at UT when this happened and everyone was shocked that they had lost. It poisoned the remainder of the season too, we lost 14 - 13 to Florida in the Gator Bowl. What a waste for a very good Doug Dickey team. Underperformed.
3:32: The big issue, right or wrong, with Penn State not being appreciated in the polls, was their status as an independent and the perception, which had credence, that this resulted in a weak schedule. Much weaker compared to others who were in conferences with multiple powerhouse teams that played each other every year. The Big Ten, with Michigan, Ohio State and Purdue. The Southwest Conference, Texas and Arkansas. The Pacific 8 with USC, Oregon State and California. The Big 8 with Kansas and Missouri.
Penn State in 1968 did not play a ranked team until the Orange Bowl on January 1 1969. Their regular season schedule consisted Kansas State, UCLA and the rest eastern teams, none of whom had a major presence. Ranked #3, in the Orange Bowl, they defeated the #6 ranked Kansas Jayhawks 15-14 on a controversial 2nd attempt of a 2 point conversion in the final minute after Kansas was called for a penalty when they stopped the initial 2 point play.
That penalty was for a substitution infraction against Kansas that cost them the Orange Bowl.
Some day in the future, somebody will make a video about the 2020's college football. It has been an eventful decade so far. It will probably only get crazier.
Thanks for watching. The 1960s started crazy and ended crazy, I did a video on the 1960, 1962, 1965, and 1969, so check those out too. I need to wait for the 2030s to see how crazy this decade will be, but I agree with you
1969 is my favorite year of college football. So many interesting story lines, the cool helmet and a lot of available games via actual broadcast. I'm not sure it would work today, but I sort of like the debate of whom would be national champion. Texas and Penn State both have a case to make and likely Ohio State would beat them both on a given saturday. Perhaps at the time it was frustrating, but looking back it's what makes it significant to people watching today whom were not even born in 1969.
williamford .......... thanks for info on book ......... that era of football was outstanding .......... the wishbone that texas ran ....... was incredible .......... and when coach royal helped out the sooners to develp their own bone ........... lookout texas and the rest of college football........... oklahoma football history , several parts , but especially from the wilkinson years thru the switzer years is a terrific story
I suppose Rutgers played Temple or Kent State this season. Why would they not just schedule Princeton? In fact it should be the first game every year televised on a major network. God help the world if I were Jeff Bazos, you get Princeton/Rutgers & Harvard/Yale every year on prime. 🤣🤣
Thanks for watching. Rutgers vs Princeton would have been cool to see in 2019 when it was the 150th anniversary of college football. But at this point Princeton probably wouldn't want to schedule Rutgers because they, and most of the Ivy League teams, don't really play FBS teams.
Reason that ABC made the switch for Arkansas/Texas from mid-October to December: Beano Cook (yes, him) was working as a liason between the NCAA and ABC after being fired as Pitt's SID-and had a gut feeling that the game could be HUGE, but also knew that they faced competition from potential World Series broadcasts on NBC (remember the WS had all day games back then) So, Beano urged ABC and Arkansas to make the December date
There was a brief discussion about moving the Texas-Arkansas game to Little Rock and playing the night of Oct. 18, but Broyles told Cook the lights at War Memorial Stadium were not up to broadcast standards (portable lightning for night games did not become a thing until Notre Dame hosted Michigan in 1982). That argument was the same reason Lambeau Field did not host a Monday Night Football game until 1979 (the Packers hosted MNF games in 1970, '71 and '73 in Milwaukee). In the Packers' case, the NFL and ABC sent execs to Green Bay and determined this to be so.
Infamous in LSU history my dad and his friends talked about this all the time, that generation saw hiring Brian Kelly as a bit of revenge.
Also revenge for the Irish spawning Gerry DiNardo, who lost twice to Bob Davie
Two things your video gets wrong:
1. The UPI coaches poll did not conduct a post-bowl poll until 1974. They were almost forced to after their national champions of 1970 (Texas) and 1973 (Alabama) each lost their bowl games to Notre Dame.
2. Tennessee was the sole SEC champion of 1969. The Volunteers were 5-1 in conference games and LSU was 4-1. The Sugar Bowl's agreement to take the SEC champion did not become official until 1975. In December 1972, there was a non-SEC Sugar Bowl between Oklahoma and Penn State. The Sugar Bowl was stuck with the SEC runner-up in 1970 (Tennessee) and 1971 (Auburn), and its fourth place team (Florida) in 1974.
This was an era where teams played an uneven number of conference games, and scheduling was not done by the conference office in Birmingham, but the individual schools. That's why so many SEC teams went many, many, many years without playing each other (for instance, LSU did not play Auburn from 1943-68, Georgia from 1954-77 or Vanderbilt from 1952-75; there were even gaps in the series vs. Alabama (1959-63) and Florida (1942-52, 1968-70)). In 1970, LSU again played only five conference games, winning them all to become champion (yes, LSU played SIX non-conference games in 1970 and '71, one of which was against Notre Dame).
The SEC did not get involved in scheduling until 1972, and teams did not play the same number of conference games in a season until 1974.
OSU QB Rex Kern had a debilitating back injury in that game against Michigan. He shouldn't have played. The Buckeyes also lost their starting Tight End (Jan White) early in the game, to injury. Woody should've started a healthy backup QB and focused on running the ball. They got behind and Woody panicked, opting for one low-percentage pass after the next, leading to interceptions.
Man, idk how you've only chose years where UM ends up winning the game😂😂😂 hopefully that ends with the next vid.
Sorry you didn’t have the film of James Street’s long 4th down completion to beat Arkansas. Was that a copyright issue? … As for the no repeat Big 10 rule, I wonder if the conference ADs could have voted to rescind it, or grant a waiver for Ohio State had they beaten Michigan.
Also, my understanding is that whereas the Rose Bowl committee paid each non champion Pac and Big 10 team to stay away from other bowl games, each school had the option to turn down the offer. When bowl games became more lucrative than the committee’s cash, those conferences’ teams started going to other bowls.
So I believe Ohio State could have gone to the Orange Bowl to settle the national champion question with Penn State had they finished undefeated.
Yes I couldn't use the James Street TD in any way due to copyright. And I've heard about the Rose Bowl paying each the Big Ten and Pac 12 extra money to spread among the non champs but I don't have any proof of that.
@@WrongedSports It was a fabulous play defended perfectly-Randy Paschal just made a great catch
@MN04 You're exactly correct. It didn't matter if OSU did or didn't beat Michigan, they were not going to the Rose Bowl.
Jack Tatum in his famous book "They Call Me Assassin" stated that that loss was the fault of the players and not the coaching staff. This was due to the fact that the team wasn't going to a bowl game, so the team wasn't as motivated. They also thought that they could easily beat a weaker team under a first year and one-time assistant coach of Woody's. His name was Schembechler.
@@RCJ1968 Jack Tatum told me that himself, in person. He would know, he played in the game.
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LSU almost screwed itself out of a bowl game in 1970 as well. After losing 3-0 in South bend, the Bayou Bengals accepted an Orange Bowl bid, but if they lost to either Tulane or Ole Miss, the bid would be voided. LSU didn't blow it, beating the Green Wave 26-14 (Tulane's impressive performance in defeat earned it a Liberty Bowl bid, where the Greenies beat Colorado 17-3) and the Rebels (with Archie Manning wearing a heavy cast to protect a broken left forearm) 61-17.