Shopping for $2,000 to $5,000 Integrated Amplifier
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- Last three months I've been busy researching and auditioning for new integrated amp to use in my music system, may be a few more months before the final decision.
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Musical Fidelity M6si is a BEAST! It drives your speakers, the sound is so neutral and gorgeous. I highly recommend you guys to audition it. Hard to find though!
I have the A-S2100 for several years now. Unbeatable at the price and beats up the chain another few grand. Hands down I love it.
did you compare it to 1200? there is rumor that is same quality and sound....
Musical Fidelity As M6s prx amplifier does have 2 toroidal transformers... they're stacked on top of each other (230 wpc, low .007% THD, SNR >120dB, dual monoblock in 1 chassis, 140 peak current at 130 volts so it's less in the US at 112 volts but I would deduct that this is same as a Parasound A21+ at 60 amps peak/channel) to replace my Parasound 2125v2 (I'll repurpose it to power my movies surround L/R and take that load off of my Arcam AVR5 receiver in a 7.4.4 setup).
I was gonna get an integrated Musical Fidelity M6si (my requirement is a Home Theater bypass and L/R balance) but it didn't have a L/R balance to help imaging of vocalist; but my Parasound 2100 preamp does.
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I have the Yamaha A-S2100 and would definitely recommend it. Very underrated.
It’s one of the best for sure.
As701 with 100 watt output could not make davis acoustics dufy hd happy. I Am not sure about As2100
Below A-S1100 In Yamaha integrated amps is not that great.
@@Tharbamar if you look inside of as701, it is as cool as as2100. I mean the look is not a cue for Good sound
The AS1100, AS2100 and AS3000 are completely different circuit with balanced floating mosfets design. Best amp you can get, forget about luxman etc.. you'll fall in love with music like never before. If not that then GhentAudio class D monoblocks.
I have a Yamaha AX900U amplifier. They were made from 1987 to 1989. A killer vintage amplifier. Plenty of clean power and well built.
I have the lower priced Yamaha AS1100 and it’s by far the best integrated I’ve owned and I’ve had a lot. It isn’t perfect but it does so many things right. It beats the naim, Rega, Cambridge, and Sony integrateds I’ve tried in that price range. The 2100 would be my pick
First Luxman, second Yamaha, can't go wrong !
I'll second that
and 3rd atoll
Highly recommend the Yamaha A-S2100. It's preamp is one of the most tube-like SS preamps out there, giving it a warm, natural sound. I compared it's preamp to a Schiit Freya+ with NOS CBS tubes and the sound, especially holographic top end, were very similar, but the Yammy had a slightly wider sound stage. The S2100 pairs well with neutral to bright speakers. The phono stage is excellent. You can also run the preamp/power section as separates if you want to pair it with other preamps or power amps to experiment. So it is a separate and an integrated amp. In the end I prefer the Yammy's preamp as an integrated amp. The only addition was a McIntosh MP-100 phono stage, but it took $2k to best the Yammy's phono...
I’m really liking the Yamaha because everything seems properly designed and produced in their own factory etc, thanks for advice.
Yamaha all the way! Or maybe the Luxman too...can't go wrong here. Good luck choosing!
Nah
You should take into account the difference between factory and hand built amps. The reason why Rega for example does not look so impressive is because its a single engineer who makes the amp behind his desk. That looks a bit less impressive than factory assembled hardware but every joint/component is measured and validated during assembly. They give lifetime warranty on manufacture defects so they're pretty convinced themselves about the quality they deliver. I don't see the Japanese brands providing this level of customer service.
That doesn’t change the quality of the components, the number of transformers etc.
Luxmen 505u amp is the last one made by luxmen before being sold ,no cheap parts
Hi, I totally agree with your attitude when it comes to amplifiers build and design. I also prefer japanese solid build, weight, and features. In my country we often say (I am from Poland) that english air (inside amps chassis) is very expensive. It is just a joke about what you get for your money comparing to Japan brands. And another thing - loved your comment about loudness function in Luxman amp. It is so NO - audiophile, but so usefull at evenings ! I had it in my Denon PMA 720 AE and used it often when listening at low volume levels. I have now Yamaha A-S1100 and I am absolutely in love with this beauty (even though it has no loudness:)) It works with Tannoys XT 8F's. Like your channel and wish you all the best (health and HIFI gear) in new year!
Yes I’m tired of expensive air :) , it seems to me that many people are going to buy base on what reviewers said, many of them have no idea about important of the build quality for an amplifier is, marketing is best thing for companies to make profit, not the better build quality to consumers, thank you.
Thanks for doing what few other reviewers do in detail; compare under the hood, amps of similar price. I can see now what sets many of the Japanese manufacturers apart from their competition. it isn't only sound but build quality that matters.
Definitely some decent choices here. I believe in this group the Yamaha A-S2100 is what I would get.
One of the most instructive videos on amps on RUclips! I learned a lot. Now I understand why zero fidelity used to open up amps for his reviews... but he never explained why!
You should do more research about balance inputs. Luxman is only single-ended, not a true balance amp so it will be much better to connect it with RCA inputs for better sound. I have Luxman 509x.
I own both Yamaha and Luxman equipment and i have to say the sound from both is first class the Luxman is an older design and only a 50w per ch unit but very good sound for its age and smaller speakers, the Yamaha is a more modern unit 100w per ch a very clean fast sounding unit, the only way to decide is to listen
They each have or had their sound. In the 70s. Lux was flat. Yam was bright went lux and klipsh . Simple
Yamaha and Luxman are both on a other level IMHO. I'm searching to for a Intergrated Amp, and it's so difficult choosing the right one. What do you think about MF MX8i, PS audio or Accuphase?
Thanks one I wish was reviewed is the technics sug700 integrated amp. Beautiful and totally high tech and the few reviews there are rave about it.I see it retails for $2500.
Listen. Listen. Listen. My hegel 360 sounds so awesome to my ears. Pricey yes. Plain yes. The sound is to die for. It drives my impression 11a speakers.
Have you considered the advance paris a12 well worth looking at chasi laking pressed metal but a duel mono construction within your price range
I had the Yamaha A-S2100. Very good amp. Detailed sound and one of the best amplifiers I had for tuneful and detailed bass. After two and half years it went into protect mode and had to be sent back to the agent for repair/reset. It seems to be a common problem on the A-S2100 and some have had the "protect" issue even on the flagship A-S3000. Happy now with my 1989 Accuphase P-11 power amp and 1983 Accuphase C-222 preamp. My second system is a Muzishare X-5 EL 34 tube amp. Bang for buck tube amp. Well built too.
Thank you for sharing your experience, i will keep that in mind.
I’m powering my Rubicon2 with the As2100. People think I’m using a subwoofer 😂 The amp is a beast. At 9 clock my room starts shaking . Superb performer . The heatsinking system is excelent that never got warm
Their driving power is very good.
I have the Yamaha AS-2100. Beautiful sound. Built with Japanese parts in ASIA. Very reliable...I have over 6000 hours on it. Never had an issue. COST USD is $3500.00 I would consider the Luxman also for $1000.00 dollars more as it is made in Japan and looks solid like my Yamaha. I would have paid more for my Yamaha to have the made in Japan decal. I wonder how these two compare in sound? I can fully recommend the Yamaha. It is truly amazing.
Made in Yamaha factory in Malaysia.
@@Tharbamar i did not know. Thanks. I thought China. Better Malaysia as they have good quality workmanship.
I'm big fan of Yamaha 1100, 2100 and 3000 amplifiers. I hope you have a chance to take one of these amplifiers for home demo.
You have to add NORMA from Italy...amazing!!You can talk with the engineers inside as if they are yr friends!!Epic!
Heard the Yamaha a-s3000 yesterday at a local shop hooked up to B&Ws 703 S2 floorstanders, found the synergy dynamite, if the a-s2100 is 75% of its big brother it probably would pair well with your B&Ws. Would like to hear Luxman but no one in my city carries the brand that I know of.
Yamaha A-S3000 is very nice, I will have a few amps for home audition in next a few weeks, thanks
I've heard a lot of these. I don't think the Marantz is what you are looking for. Upper-end Yamaha is very neutral and pairs well with a lot of speakers. Hegal makes some nice gear, but better gear exists for the money. I heard the Rouge Audio CM3 and it was impressive. I am debating on buying a used one or the newest Gallion tube amp (from Thomas)assuming I can grab a used one for the right price. Never heard anything from Accuphase or mid tier Luxman but I would imagine these are top-tier. The Luxman in particular would be on the shortlist based on everything I have read.
The underrated amps are done so because it's done so at a tolerance. An amp can reach 500 watts while on fire. Another amp like Luxman would rate the same amp at 100 ( at a reliable distortion tolerance)
My list would be
1. Luxman
2. Rogue tube or Gallion tube
3. Mcintosh
4. Yamaha
5. Bryston
There is no underrated amplifier in general but yes many overrated with Dynamic Power at 1Khz especially in entry level range, most reputable brands rated conservatively for power output, power is just numbers what most important for sound quality is power supply.
As of right now I’ll take Muzishare X9 over any on my list or your list for build and sound quantity, thanks
Music Maker Muzishare X9 300B Tube Integrated Amp Review
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Music Fidelity m5si!! Save the $700 to $800 usd and get the same sound IF You Don't use XLR as I Dont Need it
My vote is for the Yamaha AS-2100. Why no Peachtree Audio, or Outlaw???
The Yamaha and the Luxman are amazing!!!! I wish I can afford a Luxman.... but I know it's more realistic to get the Yamaha. Thanks for this great input!
I’d love to have a Luxman again. Had a pair of M4000As, but they died after 15 years and parts were no longer available for propriety boards. Sounded great until the day they stopped operating. Alpine had ownership of the name by then and no real support could be had. Still sad over that. Since then, Luxman regained control of the name.
BUT, I still have my original Yamaha CR-600 receiver driving my B&W DM4s. Only replaced the lights... twice since 1974! And it is still used daily in my garage/man cave/workshop along with the B&Ws.
I own the Yamaha a-s2100 and it is very nice, but if I could afford it, I would go for the Yamaha a-s3000! I saw a “new in box”one for under 5,000 on eBay today. Happy Shopping!
A-S3000 is very nice and great sounding amp for sure but when I saw their separates I was amazed by it and M5000 just won Best Buy Of 2019(High End Category)Award in Japan beating out Accuphase, Luxman and many other high end brands.
Tharbamar 26k is way out of my league unfortunately!
Nice video! I would recommend the Luxman! I love my 590ax II. The 505ux II is a top quality product and looks beautiful too!
I might be wrong but I don't believe you mentioned the speakers you meant to pair this amplifier with. Synergy between amplifier and transducer is the most important consideration and that is absent from your analysis. I'm also curious why you abandoned the Parasound setup you used years ago because of how it sounded after it left class A but are now considering a bunch of class A/B amps? If you liked Class A sound why not buy higher efficiency speakers and stick with class A amps or even try class A SET or DHT?
I was going to pair them with KEF R11 or Reference 1, Parasound had reliability problems. Thanks
I would choose the Yamaha 2100. I have the 1100 and its great!
Spend the 1k more and get the McIntosh. or my personal favorite, the Anthem STR, has more feathers more power , measures better and has room correction for bass management. And its cheaper than the Mac. Cruchfied has it at 4999.99.
I like the way your doing your demos..you go in bro..thanks for being thorough etc..I'm learning with you..excellent video..again thanks..keep them coming please.
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Thank you.
yamaha.. .. clean design clean sounding everything just seems to be clean and right. never heard the 2100 but i really love the looks of yamaha designs. i just dont know why. my dream amp as 2100..
it is a very good quality amp indeed.
So are you going to get the Yamaha or the Luxman lol. (Well Atoll is nice to if you favor transformers over capacitors). I'm sorta intrigued by how a higher end class D would sound and drive various types of speakers (the Marantz), but I'd probably go Yamaha. The only other one in the price range that I think of that got some buzz in the Kinki Studio, that had XLRs, and duel Big Toroids. I tend to look for size of capacitors tho.
Luxman and Yamaha is serious contenders for sure, another reason to consider for me is they have their own factories to make their products which is much different form contract manufacturers, thanks
Yes the Kinki integrated has fantastic build quality, more power at 200 watts per channel into 8 ohms, and is in the OPs price range.
Third time watching. I think this is one of the most important videos you've made. I recommend pinning to your home page to make sure new subscribers see it. Really good to think about for **value** in an amplifier. Thanks again for taking the time.
Damn! Music Direct and Rega outta be ashamed of themselves!
Excellent Video and an eye opener as well.
Very well done and compared.
Its our hard earned money after all....
Good info, which one did you decide on? It's been about 1 year. Thanks for your Videos, I appreciate your time and efforts. Let me KNOW! THANKS again
Hi Tharbamar, pls. advise if I should buy Musical fidelity M5si or Denon pma 2500 ne?
PMA-2500NE is easy choice for me, thanks
@@Tharbamar thanks for your reply, really helps 👍
I've owned the Musical Fidelity M3si, M5si, M6si
The M5si is a great amp.
It delivers a very strong tight bass punch.
I used it with my B&W 805 D3 and it drove them
effortlessly...
Great video. I think the Yamaha and the Luxman are on my short list based on your analysis and others. I am waiting to find one used if possible. There is also the Vincent SV 237 to consider.
I auditioned the Atoll in300 a few days ago with Kef ls50s and Elac vela bs 403..the sound was very clean and refined with very good dynamics and i think its an amazing intergrated amp for the price... I'm looking forward in buying one and pairing it with my kef R3s!!
Out of all the integrated amps in this list, the ones I would recommend would be the Yamaha and Luxman amps. They really have an impressive feature set and amazing quality in build and sound. I started out with a Yamaha amp and I can say it's sound quality was very natural, bass had great impact and clarity was pleasing. But what ultimately beat the Yamaha was the Luxman amp I now own (Luxman M-7 + C-7 combo) It was in another league of sound quality, amazingly holographic, like a tube amp and very refined. Treble sparkled without ever being fatiguing. Paired with my father's B&W 804 diamond speakers It was a beautiful synergistic match that sounded effortless and natural. Overall I believe you would be happy with either amp because they do cater to your needs well, but in my opinion, if you are willing to take the plunge the Luxman will make you happy for many years :) good luck on your search! - Agra
Thank you for sharing your experience, Luxman put C900 pre buffer stage in UX2 pre section which I think is one of the best pre amp out there, that really makes me thinking abut UX2 very hard, I will try them again in next a few weeks, thanks
Hmm, the new Yamaha 2200 is $4000. Might as well pay the $500 more and get the Luxman. Probably holds value better.
yeah yeah but how do they sound?
Nice video, I’ve been researching the exact same thing, with the same sorts of requirements. One question I have, perhaps I am not understanding properly, is your statement that you do not want an integrated DAC. Just because a unit had a built-in DAC doesn’t mean you need to use it, correct? Isn’t that only going to come into play if you use a digital input? If all you are using is analog inputs, the DAC is not being used. Seems like it gives you the option if you ever wanted to connect digital, but doesn’t take away from the analog processing.
Main problem with build-in DAC is, it will be outdated in a few years, another thing I do not like is mixing noisy digital components in analog amp, which I want to keep it pure, thanks
@@Tharbamar Makes sense, Thanks for the response. I too am not interested in an internal DAC, or internal streaming, etc. for the same sorts of reasons, but was curious on your thoughts. I guess I also see it as paying for something I really don't want. I'd rather the money was put into a great amp than a pretty good amp with a bunch of bells and whistles. Thanks again!
Good vid, but I wouldn’t discount any based on phono preamp. Most are ok at best and many audiophiles just get external ones. I have that Musical Fidelity and it’s pretty robust and rich sounding.
Thanks for advice, external phono stage I liked is EQ500 which is expensive, same price as Luxman Amp and even used is around $3g, that’s why I’m sticking with internal phono stage for now until I saved up for EQ500, thank you.
my 1st choice is Rogue Pharaoh, close 2nd is Parasound Hint 6, third will be Hegel H190 all based on sound, performance, and features.
Very nice.
I would suggest the Musical Fidelity M6500 which unlike the M6 is a true monoblock. You will need a separate phono stage however.
it's out of my budget, thanks
Luxman first choice. Yamaha second choice.
The Yamaha AS2100 looks great. I have the RN803 for the bedroom and it sound nice. Had a listen to the new 5000 series and it’s superb. If the AS2100 sits it between it should be a darn great amp to own.
Yamaha is very good sounding indeed, thanks
Acurus Aries might be another excellent choice! Analog, 200W and great phono stage. Also made in USA. You're welcome.
I will see if I can find one to listen, thanks
He did say that he doesn't like class D amplifiers.
@@commane21 thanks, didn't realize.
I recommend Yamaha A-S2100 to you. It has no DAC parts, good phono stage.. mosfet powered, very natural sounding amp.. sounds like a class A amp.. Even a lower priced A-S1100 is an amazing amp for the price..
Yes I will try to listen to them again in a week or two, thanks
@Tharbamar, What will be better sounding amp in comparison, Denon PMA 2500 or Yamaha A-S2100 ?
I have not heard PMA-2500, Base on one of my audiophile Japanese friend, he like the sound of PMA-2500 more than A-S2100 and he is using it with Dali speakers.
I think you should consider the Hegel pre and power amp. And also the Hegel integrated amp if you don't mind the built-in dac and streamer. As for phono, why not consider the Schiit Mani? Most of the integrated amp does not have a good phono stage, imo.
I’m not sure I can like their products for 10+ years if they last that long because if I choose an amp I will be using it for very long time that’s why I do not want DAC in my amps, Luxman and top end Denon, Sansui, Marantz, Yamaha comes with better phono stage than many people think and even better MC phono stage.
@@Tharbamar If that's the case I would choose and invest in the Luxman amp. Maybe even choose a higher end Luxman.
Does the atoll have dual torroidal transformers? Holy smokes! Add the Yamaha or Technics SU G700 level meters to that and the search for stereo is over. We're going to compare X, Y, Z receiver to Atoll and before we begin the comparison, Atoll instantly wins because it sounds and looks better. We didn't even have to power on the other receiver :-) It tried its best but failed while in the box.
What do you think of the Denon PMA-1600NE? It has dual transformers, similar to your Denon amp you are using now & is built like a tank at just under 50 pounds.
It is a very good amplifier for the price. Thanks
The updated Yamaha SA series (1200, 2200) have toroidal instead of iron-core transformers. Not sure what else has changed. They are supposed to start shipping in May, 2020. Price has increased about $300.
I don't have the big dollar Yamaha like that. But I've had a few over the years and enjoy my Yamaha amps. They might not have the flashy name of some of the other companies but they seem Rock Solid. That one you're showing look beautiful inside to me the luxman is very nice as well both little out of my price range at this time
Yamaha A-S2100 sounded better than others I tried except for the Luxman, thanks
I have the Marantz PM-10 and was unsure about the Class D but after some listening on 3 different speaker manufacturers and speaker types, I enjoy the sound. My main system is McIntosh C47/MC452. I was also looking into the Yamaha S3000 before going with the Marantz.
The Yamaha and the Luxman really look like quality units..inside and out!
All the others have long, and even sloppy wire runs?
The Yamaha and Luxman get my vote here.
I'm actually looking at those two brands, but the higher models each. The A-S3000 and the I-509X.
which did you end up getting and how do you like their house sound? what components did you pair? I'm looking to upgrade my int amp :D
@@jk25653
Hello Josh. In all honesty, I've been waiting for the Lux 509X price to be reached on the pre-owned market. Which doesn't seem to be happening all too often. (Further Proof it's a keeper)
Personally, the Yamaha A-S3000/3200 @ 150 wpc 4 ohm looks better to me, but the Lux @ 220 wpc 4 ohm sound reproduction edges on the superior side. Better bass impact & reach. Wider dynamics too. Startle affect. The impression of compression isn't there on Lux when A-B comparisons between the two.
The pre-owned A-S3000 is actual closer to my budget tho. But, I see most Japanese spec versions.
I will possibly build around the A-S3000 if my dream boat 509x doesn't dock?
Now that McIntosh has strongly entered the fray. Doesn't look like Lux nor Yam will be dropping their prices in the pre-owned markets?
Until my dream deal, I'll continue listening through my vintage Sansui AU-D11ii. Which to my taste is one hell of an integrated amp in itself.
I've owned BAT, Parasound, & Classé. The Sansui is more musical. That's why I'm looking at $8k list amps!
For Bowers & Wilkins 804n what amp you suggest me ? I am thinking about michi x3, denon pma a110 ,musical fidelity m6 or rotel rb1582 mk2 or 1590 mk2 with his preamp .thx
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PRO-JECT TUBE BOX DS2 PHONOSTAGE
once you've heard tubes, you'll never go back. You get 30 days to return it no questions asked with upscale audio. The Japanese gear will sound tinny and hard after you listen to these, I promise!
Well! im actually planing to buy the DENON 2000 IVR, have a moment about it?
I made a little video about it here, ruclips.net/video/hJxtRPbJYIY/видео.html
Luxman, no question. Just do it and you won't have any regrets
I already narrow it down to two amps, one is coming for home audition next week, thanks
One more great video. Congratulations. You think will be possible one day to compare a Vintage Sansui AU-907MR or NRA vs a Denon PMA-SX11 or other actual amplifier of your preference? I like a lot my Sansui AU-X911DG and the design and reviews around Sansui AU-907NRA call my atention, even costing close to US$ 3,000.00. Also, at this price point, what should be your strong suggestion? I liked the clean design of Atoll. What do you think about it? Thank you in advance.
One thing I can tell you is no one in the price range have better power transformer than Sansui amps but overall driving power PMA-11 is very hard to beat, even by some pricey mono blocks. Thanks
@@Tharbamar , thank you for your comments. In Brazil, were I live, I can find an used Musical Fidelity M6si for the same price of a Sansui Au-907NRA. I will try to listen both bere deciding. On the other hand, to import a Denon PMA-11, used or new, will double its price, due taxes.
I have the Musical Fidelity, the Yamaha, a Luxman 507II and a Marantz KI pearl lite and they are all great.
Also a Nad 3020D and a beautiful McCormack pre-power.
The Luxman has become resident but I will say the Musical Fidelity (Muscular Fidelity) gets a run quite often.
It has a great sound driving my Audio Physic floorstanders.
I love them all but am getting too old to keep switching between amps. Cabling is all Kimber and sources Clearaudio, Oppo, and Bluesound.
PS power cables are Isotek and I sometimes use a Dynaudio subwoofer when listening to Digitally Imported's dub, vocal house, psydub etc.
This is a very interesting video, i totally get your point on build quality this is something that's really important to me, i was shocked with the poor quality of the hegel h90, the entire front panel and dials are made from plastic! I personally hate this and for that kind of money its unacceptable.
I have a denon pma-1600ne arriving tomorrow and from the pictures i have been really impressed with the build quality.
Being made in Japan is a huge bonus for me also, im looking forward to trying it out tomorrow 🙂
I don't understand the really expensive amps with only 90W per ch. Why not more?
Power is a relative thing, if you have high sensitive speakers, +90db/watt, that power is more than enough.
The Yamaha is being discontinued. Some dealers in UK still have them at reduced price. Some OOS stating new model in April. Grab a bargain or wait for new model. Or save up for a higher grade dual mono amp.
The Yamaha? What model are you talking about? A-S2100?
@@wemustgoYes the A-S2100 and A-S1100 are discontinued. New models coming in the spring.
@@classicrock7890 Where did you heard that? I am pretty sure that A-S2100 A-S1100 will not be retired. New high-end models like M-5000 or C-5000 are several level higher than A-S3000 or A-S2100 models. They are priced at USD 13k which is out of reach to most of audiophiles.
Very good review
I’m looking for a new integrated amp atm too
Your review helped me !
Not sure I agree with your internal observations, but out of that list I wd have the Atoll and Hegel on shortlist. The Atoll is a warmer sound. With the Luxman I wd pay extra for next model up. Also for 5k or just over, you cd buy a Pass XA25 and simple pre amp ie Schiit
Atoll looks great but each of it’s own, I’m not fan of cheap parts in high price amps like Hegel, I’m going to stick with what I think is better quality that last for very long time.
@@Tharbamar maybe the Hint 6 ?
Hint 6 is good but phono stage is not good enough for me, even compared to my current amp but they do have nice clean power though. I might be going to try totally different amplifier in the future, thanks
@@Tharbamar the new NAD M33 looks fantastic value, has everything inc new purifi amplification. Lyngdorf TDAI-2170 gets great reviews, similar in many ways. Gato DIA250, one of my favorites, very nice warm sounding class d integrated
I’m getting the Luxman L509z when it comes out. I can’t wait. But I like the Yamaha here almost as much as the Luxman
Good choice!
@@Tharbamar yeah when I bought my system I was considering Luxman, Wells Audio, Pass Labs. I decided on Wells. I love the Wells but Luxman has always stuck with me so I’m making the switch. Hope I’m making the right decision!
@@Tharbamar I’m also thinking of switching my PSB T3 floor standing speakers for some good Stand mounts. Can you recommend a quality stand mount speaker for no more than maybe $12000/pr that has decent punch in the bass for rock and sophisticated sound for jazz and classical?
I would say with Luxman high end JBL standmounts sound incredible like 4349 but KEF reference is also great choice, and Luxman engineers uses JBL as well in their listening room.
@@Tharbamar oh wow. Okay thank you. I never realized that a mainstream brand like JBL could be that good! Thank you
Might want to put the Anthem STR Integrated on your shortlist as well; great specs and sounds fantastic too. It'd be at the high end of your budget, but well worth the price imho.
Yes with arc Genesis it can be a game changer
I know this was a year ago but.
You had a picture of a Accuhase but it's not on the list. This is equal to luxman or maybe better.
what did u get?
Hi, could you recommend an integrated amp that will get the most out of my WD 225, but not going overkill? I know that they are budget speakers and will not reveal too much, but in wich price tag should i go? Maybe you can give a brand/model? Thanks a lot. To answer to your question, i would choose the Yamaha, because of very good price/performance ratio. In Europe is half of Luxman's price. Best regards!
Try Denon PMA600NE for D225.
Hi Tharbamar, I must say I enjoy the content of your channel! I would urge you to consider the fabulous Anthem STR Integrated. 200W @ 8 ohms. It has nice built in dac (which is nicely implemented) and phono stage. Large TFT screen that you can read from across the room at your listening position. Made in Canada. The icing on the cake is that the Anthem Room Correction capability is also included. No need to buy a separate Dirac room correction unit. I like the Anthem STR Integrated better than my Yamaha A-S2000 which is also a nice unit. Stereophile rates it Class A. Other Stereophile Class A integrated amplifiers are in the $12K to $20K price range. This is an excellent unit and could be the last integrated amplifier that you will ever buy. It is that good!
Thank you for advice but I’m ld school when is come to Audio I do not like to have room corrections and fancy features because I like to fine tune it my self, thanks
@@Tharbamar,the room correction can be engaged and disengaged "on the fly". I am running my STR without room correction at present. However, my room is "acoustically challenged" and would benefit from room correction. It is a stunning unit even without room correction and I will tell you that it is one of the few purchases in audio for which I have absolutely no buyers remorse. However, I respect your old school approach! Good luck with your quest!
A lot of manufacturers do charge a premium for less than premium parts and construction techniques. Unfortunately, just because something is well built and looks the part doesn't mean it will sound all that great. Now, Tharbamar will certainly look under the hood but most will not and, quite frankly, they don't care what's under the lid as long as it sounds good to them. But this is a luxury hobby and people get to make their decisions based on whatever criteria they deem important, or don't. Personally, I like the look of the Luxman and the Yamaha. The Parasound and Atoll are well constructed, too. But put all four of them in another room and let a third party switch at random between them and I'm not sure most people could tell the difference. Even if they could they might prefer the sound of one that they wouldn't buy because of some preconceived notion about it that turned out to be much adieu about nothing. Still, they'd refuse to admit they were wrong and settle for lesser sound just to save face. Hey, if the way it's built and the way you want it to sound coincide, fantastic. But to dismiss a product you prefer the sound of because you can't get past the look of parts you'll never see in real usage is a bit odd to me. But again, it's a luxury hobby and it's your money (not you personally Tharbamar) spend it as you see fit.
Agreed and most people (myself included) really don't know what they're looking at inside anyhow. Because it's busier under the hood does that translate to better quality or maybe a less efficient design with more cheap parts? What exactly ARE we looking for inside? lol
@tharmabar What do you think of Cambridge 851A? It seems built well
It is nice for the price but please keep in mind amplifiers in this price range sound good to certain level of load and loudness, if you push it they will lose their composure, otherwise it should sound great up to 90-95db range with decent load.
I have yamaha as 801 but it doesn't meet my expectations, is yamaha as 1100 better than as 801, any yamaha amplifiers beginning from as 1100 must be a better sounding amp
I have a Marantz 14S1 SE and am very pleased with it...
Very nice amp indeed.
If you consider Luxman, Accuphase should be in your consideration.
Sir, Do you an opinion for the Cambridge Audio CXA81 80 Watt Integrated Stereo Amplifier, aptX HD Bluetooth, Digital And Analogue Inputs. This would be my first Intergrated Amp of the kind I am matchin it with SVS Ultra bookshelf speakers, please give me your opinion on this set up.. This is going in a very small listening area for stereo application only
You can't go wrong with Atoll or Hegel. Also you.can consider luxman
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Nice lineup, looking forward to your choice. I'm surprised you don't have any Naim products included in there. The XS3 or Supernait 3 which would come in just under 5K. Not 100w/ch but high current and with phono stage (even though you could probably do a lot better with dedicated one).
I’m not sure I can listen to Naim sound for very long time base on previous experience, that’s why I didn’t include Naim, thanks
@@Tharbamar Just out of curiosity I dropped by a local Naim/Yamaha dealer today and compared the XS 3 against the A-S2100. I honestly preferred the XS 3. Among speakers demoed were the 706 S2. I didn't even bother demoing the Supernait 3 as its price suggested it should be paired with much more expensive speakers than the 706 S2s. Of course if you insist on A/V meters, tone controls and the possibility of connection two sets of speakers then the Yamaha would be a better option. I, on the other hand, prefer the tight punchy bass, small form factor and cool operating temperature of the Naim. I already own the XS 2 but am by no means a Naim fanboy and always try to keep an open mind.
@@mikecees2230 If you like the sound that's all that count, XS3 is special order only for me.
I'm a big fan of Accuphase design and philosophy but too expensive in the U.S. for me to buy. Right now I'm listening to Luxman 505uX2 while braking in, thanks
Did you consider any of Schiit’s products? By selling direct I feel the value is much higher. Also, regarding class D amps, the Purifi modules available on Nord amps are excellent. No class D nastiness IMO.
Please do not get lure by direct selling, they are good for money but quality and workmanship is still behind because they don’t have buying power compare to big brands.
Tharbamar I think in the case of Schiit Audio they are well engineered, designed and built products. Right there in your price range btw. Worth comparing in my opinion for a little more variety in your selection. They also have much less overhead than larger brands. In my 20+ years of sonic bliss poursuit, I’ve been disappointed many times by big brands, IMO brands are not as important as the quality and care of the audio circuit.
I think that in this price range, you should be able to get something without any major drawbacks. It seems the Yamaha and Luxman models only fit the bill. Trust you ears! There is one integrated component I would suggest, the Moon 340i X with the optional phono section. It has a DAC but you don't need to use it. Everytime I hear a Moon component, it impresses me. Happy shopping!
I would love to try Moon or Ayre but no one stock them to audition in my area as far as I know, thanks
Just curious to ask if you've looked at any McIntosh products? The MA5300 looks nice, but I have yet to hear it.
Yes, I’ve heard them at the stores it is very nice but I only liked their separates, not so much for their integrated amps, thanks
Yamaha as 2100 will retain its value just as it predecessor ca-2010. I really enjoy its natural sound, and its built like a tank at 52 lb.
BIG Transformer and BIG Compacitors is what matters! Parasound, Atoll and Yamaha in that order. Just not sure of the realiability and warranty with the Atoll
Thank you.
Class D is getting better and better, I think it will be the defacto standard in the future. It's also nice to leave it on 24/7 without worrying about the power draw. I'm not saying that it is right now, but be ready to transition to class D eventually
Yes I agreed but base on some auditioning I only like Esoteric or Bel Canto but still preferred Class AB personally, thanks
I think the Luxman was the only one with a MC phono stage (hopefully a good one). You’re into vinyl and if you can get a good MC cartridge that matches your TT’s arm, that would be a plus, especially if you wanted a neat solution. I agree with you being fussy about about the internal build quality and I like to see a big power supply with many quality caps for power delivery and current. Try to audition at home with your components. Thanks and happy new year 🙏
I have my Denon DL-301ii and DL-103R for music listening and DL-80 for casual playback.
Sound quality is very important for sure but for me most important part for an amp is build quality because I don't change my amp like i change my speakers I don't want the amp that requires bias adjustment every five years or so and wattage is nothing to do with sound quality, only good power supply with quality parts will give good head room, drive power, sound quality and longevity. I did tried most of them in stores except Atoll and Aethos, thanks for the advice, Happy New Year!
Tharbamar my choice would be the Yamaha A-S2100 integrated amplifier .
I’m seriously considering it, thanks
Why?
I would sincerely appreciate your opinion of Denon A110 or PMA 1600NE...
2500NE is better buy for me, A110 is same as 2500NE with a few upgraded parts.
I own a Marantz PM-14S1 amp, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. I think the most compelling amps you have selected here are the: Luxman, Marantz, and Denon. I would recommend the naim uniti atom for functionality (and it is very well respected) and it may be class AB as well. John Darko has an excellent review up on RUclips. It is well within your rights to want a class A or AB amp, as a consumer you can make the choice. There are high quality class D amps out there as well too. For pure longevity and value/lifespan, it’s hard to argue with the quality of the made in Japan Marantz and Luxman. I will vouch that the phono stage in my Marantz is Excellent (using MC in fact). But just as important as longevity is aesthetics, in my opinion too. If I were to spend mega money on a new integrated, I would buy a devialet 140, even though it is class D (and of course I would still have my old class A Marantz amp). That devialet is beautiful, just beautiful. I am excited to see what you choose!
Oops, I meant “Yamaha” not denon! You already own the denon LOL.
Thanks for advice.
Any reason why you want on-board phono pre-amp over an external one? I used my onboard Yamaha for years and recently bought a Vincent 701 phono pre amp. It blew me away at the details I was missing with onboard receiver's pre amp.
I do not like many things on audio rack and latest generation onboard phono stages in Accuphase(Add On), Luxman are better than many external units and I think that new Denon CR type phono stage in high end models like SX1, SX1L, SX11, SX11L are even better than most external phono stages in my opinion, thanks