Thanks Gary. Well, i do a bit of both. On this video in particular i'm trying something new. Only shots with very little instructional talk if any. Many years ago when I did instructional videos are tutorial videos on air guns people seemed uninterested. Now it seems to be gaining favor among viewers. But I try to do a bit of both just to keep my channel somewhat diverse. Thanks for watching sir
Not sure how but that gun manages to be brutal and humane at the same time. And yeah that wasn't puffs of dust, you dislocated their life-force big man
@@Tofazfou Uragan 30cal, made by CZ.. Beautiful Bullpb too.. Can't wait like i already said.. ;) (btw, did you bring jong Mister Mason with you this time? i think this jong man has made a lot of progress in marksmanship..
Thanks Bro. Yeah sometimes people just don't want to hear the fluff, and many times I don't feel like making long videos with a lot of talking and p.i.p. etc etc etc. Part two with the Uragan is going to be the same way
Smoked-Em is an understatement......wow! Nice shooting and thanks for the comments on misses prior to impact, really highlights the realities of air gunning. I will have my shooter back up and going soon. Nothing special just failed air cylinder seals and replaced compressor. Ammo shortage sure is putting a stress on things too.....damned virus consequences anyway. Appreciate you pard.
Keen eye and ear! Yes sir, everyone misses. Just like in sports, where you have professional players, the most experienced football player misses a pass and the most experienced basketball player misses a bucket. Thinking of releasing a greatest missus video 😳
@@Tofazfou Timmy Timmy Timmy guess what I did last night I order the 12.5 grain deep bass slugs in 177 they're on their way testing to commence in the near future
@@FirstStateAirgun DUDE, the 12.5s and the 15 grs work best in the Avenger. Tune its just right and you can get accuracy with either slug. The 15s as fast as they can go while still being damn accurate would be my bet
Yeah you said it! There's a reason that the industry for the most part agreed among themselves not to mass produce(at least not too many) automatic airguns, all it takes someone messing up big time / some psycho figuring out the damage these things can do, with it requiring no licensing or anything, and boff the ball is gonna be rolling big time. And I mean game OVER, finished, done.
Hey man, Just got to keep all the bases covered you know? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Funny you said NUAH! I was just telling a buddy I haven't really shot this gun very much over a hundred and that it was time to start releasing videos going pretty far out with this gun
Ahhhhh, UNIQUE is one of my favorite words. And that's what I try to bring to the air gun sport, something different like this gun. Never want to be that guy making just another 177 caliber video or any other standard caliber for that reason. Thanks for the comment, It's much appreciated.
Very awesome caliber for sure. The other option is to build a high-powered 177 cal and there are slugs already available commercially from NSA. JSB is about to introduce two weights also. So this is a good time to own a 177 caliber
Putting in the work. Appreciate you sharing. As always your leading the field here. I think we’re going to see a .177 slug re-igniting the caliber in America. So much potential. Do you think you’d share some FPE over distance charts in the future? Thanks again It’s be neat to see some frangible slugs come to market.
I was actually talking to someone about making frangible ammo. The material is readily available. You know how it is, trying to get an idea off the ground is usually the hardest part. Just hard to get people to do the work for you when you have an idea like frangible ammo. Watch out somebody might read this and copy my idea lol And yes I can definitely share FPE numbers at the Target when I give the distance. I've often thought about putting that information up and will do it on part two of this video. Thanks so much for the input brother
Tofazfou hardairmagazine.com did an article maybe 6-7 months ago but no updates since then. Using gel they were seeing the vast amount of energy dumped and if a “petal” did pass through the energy retained was pretty small. Look forward to more videos thanks again.
Hi Cedric, a few questions about shooting .17 slugs... First question is what barrel are you using and what is the true diameter of the bore? These are different than .177 pellet bore? These barrels are not choked, like the way we see pellet barrels choked? I assume that these little pills have a real great ballistic coefficient? How do these little pills buck the wind? I notice the much shorter shots but can they go the distance? Given a better ballistic coefficient and the small size of these pills, and add to the fact that they are being shot at shorter distances,,, might we have the makings of true and accurate supersonic air rifle fodder? Given such a small bore and the heavier slug, what trick do you utilize to avoid valve lock? What type of tricks are being done to valve a AF when shooting slugs? Hammer weight and spring? How the heck do you cast a lil' .17 slugs? Must take alot of care and patience to cast such a tiny bugger. Would swage be a better way to go at it? I am thinking at supersonic short distances that these no doubt will smoke pests and varmints with authority that you don't see in the bigger slower bores!
All great questions and comments! First, the barrel is simply a green mountain .172 caliber barrel. I have a video on this gun being built and I explained what barrel and parts are in the gun. The exact very barrels that are used for 17 HMR rimfire rounds. It is a rimfire barrel and not an airgun barrel. Therefore, the bores diameter is .172 and not .177. one is a powder burner caliber one the other is airgun. As far as tricks for the valve, it is 100% custom by Doug Noble. Nothing in the valve or the valve body is Air force. There are secrets in that valve that I won't discuss because it's Doug's project. I am using a custom hammer weight and heavier spring so I can tell you that. I also have a carbon fiber bottle on the gun for higher fill pressures. So I do fill my gun to 4,000 PSI and that allows me 25 shots at basically 1100 feet per second average. And yes this gun does go supersonic for quite a few shots. If I fill it to 4,500 PSI and turn the power wheel up to about 6 it will easily crack 1,250 ft per second with a 24.5 grain bullet. The guns peak output is 101 foot pounds with a 33 grain round nose slug. And yes it is my most difficult caliber to cast because the bullets are so tiny that is hard keeping the mold hot. But there are tricks around that also. With the 172 caliber, the mold definitely has to stay hot during the entire casting process. If the bullets are not uniform when casting the gun will not shoot accurately at all and some bullets will oscillate. The 172 caliber is not for everyone and it certainly is not for people that do not cast their own slugs because bullets are not readily available. I do have some swage bullets from Varmint Knockers even though he does not openly swage that caliber for retail because it is difficult, but the rounds are gorgeous. And accurate too!. And they're in boat tail. Check out some of my other videos showing the slugs.
@@Tofazfou Your welcome! I recently added the Airforce Condor SS to my collection and every time I take it out I think of your 17. That is an unbelievable air rifle. I can see why it’s one of your favorites. My Condor has become my go to rifle. Very nice platform to work with. Appreciate you sharing the 17 with us viewers. Great stuff my friend.
@@AzAirgunHunter My pleasure. Thank YOU for even paying attention to my channel. I love the enthusiam, understanding and great comments. On a relavant note, don't forget, guys like NSA and Varmint Knockers (ebay store) make awesome .177 slugs
@@Tofazfou Yes! I am aware of them. I shoot the NSA 36.2gr slugs through my Condor. Very accurate with great energy. Knocking the heck out the pigeons on my permission. Videos coming down the line.
Question. Looking in to getting a Doug Nobel Valve for my .25 cal Condor. I read an article about him and his outstanding working. The article listed his AOL email address. Is email the best way to get in contact with him or is there another way of contact for making a purchase from him?
You a bad dude! Been watchn you for a few years now. I have a Sumatra 2500 .25. Its nasty lol. Too damn loud though! Want to get rid of it. I have too many now...hard to find a place to sell these higher end pellet guns we have. Anyways. Keep up the smokin lol!
Thanks. Yeah there's some matcha as a beast of a gun. So powerful it doesn't even need to be modded. And yeah you might have to ask around for good websites to sell airguns on I know there are some
It Chinese. Amazon sells them. And probably other sights too. Just google Dovetail to Weaver scope rails. That thing is about 10" long. And its the only one like it that exist
Its not a production gun. Its a 1 off custom build using an AIRFORCE frame. Depending on scope, tripod, barrel you choose and your machinist rate, you'll probably drop around $2,000
I have it at .128 and the flat point might be even higher than that by a couple of numbers because it is actually half an inch long or shall I say, half an inch tall. That's pretty long for a 172 cal bullet
Nice shooting Ced! I thought I was a good shooter and videographer but I have never once captured or shot the soul out of a critter!! Very nice build, round, and shooting.
Its SHOCK for sure. About 20 years ago a group of us argued whether or not an air gun can produce hydrostatic shock. It's a good topic but I hate arguing it lol
Finally I found a channel that shows shooting rather than endless chatter. Thanks!
Thanks Gary. Well, i do a bit of both. On this video in particular i'm trying something new. Only shots with very little instructional talk if any. Many years ago when I did instructional videos are tutorial videos on air guns people seemed uninterested. Now it seems to be gaining favor among viewers. But I try to do a bit of both just to keep my channel somewhat diverse. Thanks for watching sir
Headed back to the smaller calibers myself. 15 gr HP .177 at 920 currently but still devastating and challenging.
Yep, i agree 100 PERCENT! Devastating but challenging
Not sure how but that gun manages to be brutal and humane at the same time. And yeah that wasn't puffs of dust, you dislocated their life-force big man
I like that, i like that🤣! DISLOCATING LIFE FORCES🤣
“Didn’t catch that” that’s yo azz my rodent lol 😂
Dude! Violent! You've got me wanting to build up a small bore, power house, slug shooter. Great video!
Well, JSB will soon be releasing 10.03 great and 13.43 great slugs! I'm testing them right now
Awesome rifle you got there Mr Tofaz..!!! .172 cal is serious bussines for these squirls.. DRT.. Thats how we like it!! Can't wait for part 2!
Thank you so much. Working on pt 2 now. But it will be about the 30 cal Uragan in pt 2. I used both guns in the same day
@@Tofazfou Uragan 30cal, made by CZ.. Beautiful Bullpb too.. Can't wait like i already said.. ;) (btw, did you bring jong Mister Mason with you this time? i think this jong man has made a lot of progress in marksmanship..
It's always enjoyable to see the 17 cal putting in the work .
More to come featuring your ammo when I start running it through the Avenger. So stay tuned, my brother in lead
Superb work. Liking the new style!!!
Thanks Bro. Yeah sometimes people just don't want to hear the fluff, and many times I don't feel like making long videos with a lot of talking and p.i.p. etc etc etc.
Part two with the Uragan is going to be the same way
That was so sweet I've got to watch it again!
Oh, by all means, watch it over and over. PLEASE🤣
Smoked-Em is an understatement......wow! Nice shooting and thanks for the comments on misses prior to impact, really highlights the realities of air gunning. I will have my shooter back up and going soon. Nothing special just failed air cylinder seals and replaced compressor. Ammo shortage sure is putting a stress on things too.....damned virus consequences anyway. Appreciate you pard.
Keen eye and ear! Yes sir, everyone misses. Just like in sports, where you have professional players, the most experienced football player misses a pass and the most experienced basketball player misses a bucket. Thinking of releasing a greatest missus video 😳
Excellent video
Thank you
Very Tofazfou! I love your rifle...almost as much as mine...well maybe not as much. Your rifle is alright, I mean, it's ok. Lol
Riiiight🤣 let's just say the two of us both have great 172's. Thanks brother
@@Tofazfou hells yeah!
I know yours is custom but I'm all about that 177 life I love seeing the small-bore laying the smackdown
Oh he'll yeah. NSA already makes awesome. 177 slugs and JSB is about to introduce 2 .177 slugs
@@Tofazfou Timmy Timmy Timmy guess what I did last night I order the 12.5 grain deep bass slugs in 177 they're on their way testing to commence in the near future
@@Tofazfou that's great news I wasn't aware of that I love my little 177 because of the economy and the fun
@@FirstStateAirgun DUDE, the 12.5s and the 15 grs work best in the Avenger. Tune its just right and you can get accuracy with either slug. The 15s as fast as they can go while still being damn accurate would be my bet
Another great vid Tofaz!!!
Thank You. Working in Part 2 as we speak
That gun is a beast , of a small bore ! Great video
Thank you so much
More more more! We need more with this beast!
Wow these air rifles are no joke
Yeah you said it! There's a reason that the industry for the most part agreed among themselves not to mass produce(at least not too many) automatic airguns, all it takes someone messing up big time / some psycho figuring out the damage these things can do, with it requiring no licensing or anything, and boff the ball is gonna be rolling big time. And I mean game OVER, finished, done.
Man that gun is amazing. Your shooting ain't to shabby either. LOL
Awe man, I'll take that will a smile. Shoooooot, thank you for that.....lol
💯% annihilation!!!!! That 17cal is very accurate 2F... amazing build brother! Awesome shooting as always...👍👍🇺🇸
Appreciate it Will! Got to give my boy Doug Noble props on the quality of work he put into the gun. The whole unit as a system is just awesome
Sickest 177 on the planet!
Energy dump is crazy on critters
Yes sir, hollow points are pretty effective on game from air guns. Especially once you start driving them over a 1000 feet per second.
There he is! Great shooting bro. The mk2 hm air is gorgeous and a flat beast! Well done
Thanks Big Dawg. The 172 cal in an air gun is awesome as hell. The funny thing is I can still push it another 150 ft per second faster 😳
Awesome vid Ced. The king of NUAH is new king of NOAH. That .17 is BRUTAL!!
Hey man, Just got to keep all the bases covered you know? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Funny you said NUAH! I was just telling a buddy I haven't really shot this gun very much over a hundred and that it was time to start releasing videos going pretty far out with this gun
I would say she is def capable, looking forward to that video for sure.
Do some vids with audio....so we can hear the SMACK when they are hit. I love that sound🤣
The go pros MICS can't pic up the audio that well that far out. I would have to try and add a BOOM mic or something.
Ok cool! Lookn forward to hearing some SMACKS! LOL
Great shooting, solid edits, the scope cams are so nice and clear.
That was Amazing! Very fast slugs. Very unique gun you have there!
Ahhhhh, UNIQUE is one of my favorite words. And that's what I try to bring to the air gun sport, something different like this gun. Never want to be that guy making just another 177 caliber video or any other standard caliber for that reason. Thanks for the comment, It's much appreciated.
@@Tofazfou Your the master of making those "unique" gun. Amazing work there! Thx 4 sharing!
I feel like I need one of these in my life.........
Awesome shooting man
Very awesome caliber for sure. The other option is to build a high-powered 177 cal and there are slugs already available commercially from NSA. JSB is about to introduce two weights also. So this is a good time to own a 177 caliber
@@Tofazfou the high powered .177 would interesting as well. Love that NSA keeps pumping out the awesome slugs!
Putting in the work. Appreciate you sharing. As always your leading the field here. I think we’re going to see a .177 slug re-igniting the caliber in America. So much potential.
Do you think you’d share some FPE over distance charts in the future? Thanks again
It’s be neat to see some frangible slugs come to market.
I was actually talking to someone about making frangible ammo. The material is readily available. You know how it is, trying to get an idea off the ground is usually the hardest part. Just hard to get people to do the work for you when you have an idea like frangible ammo. Watch out somebody might read this and copy my idea lol
And yes I can definitely share FPE numbers at the Target when I give the distance. I've often thought about putting that information up and will do it on part two of this video. Thanks so much for the input brother
Tofazfou hardairmagazine.com did an article maybe 6-7 months ago but no updates since then. Using gel they were seeing the vast amount of energy dumped and if a “petal” did pass through the energy retained was pretty small.
Look forward to more videos thanks again.
I see you have picked up hunter one style of narrations. I'm sure he's proud.. nice gun.
Suuuuuure. Thanks
Awesome dude
Thanks bro
Quality video.
Really enjoyed 😉 it
Glad you like it. That makes me happy and proud. Part two coming soon
Awesome footage!🙏🏻🇺🇸
Thank you. I think I'm starting to get the hang of this GoPro scope cam footage stuff lol
As always, great shooting!!
Well thank you kindly AO
Two thumbs up on that one, one on the youtube button and another one here in the comments:')
LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT! Thanks a million times over. Appreciate you!
Nice shooting , Love that rifle !
Thanks Edgar
Hi Cedric, a few questions about shooting .17 slugs...
First question is what barrel are you using and what is the true diameter of the bore? These are different than .177 pellet bore? These barrels are not choked, like the way we see pellet barrels choked?
I assume that these little pills have a real great ballistic coefficient? How do these little pills buck the wind? I notice the much shorter shots but can they go the distance?
Given a better ballistic coefficient and the small size of these pills, and add to the fact that they are being shot at shorter distances,,, might we have the makings of true and accurate supersonic air rifle fodder?
Given such a small bore and the heavier slug, what trick do you utilize to avoid valve lock? What type of tricks are being done to valve a AF when shooting slugs? Hammer weight and spring?
How the heck do you cast a lil' .17 slugs? Must take alot of care and patience to cast such a tiny bugger. Would swage be a better way to go at it?
I am thinking at supersonic short distances that these no doubt will smoke pests and varmints with authority that you don't see in the bigger slower bores!
All great questions and comments! First, the barrel is simply a green mountain .172 caliber barrel. I have a video on this gun being built and I explained what barrel and parts are in the gun. The exact very barrels that are used for 17 HMR rimfire rounds. It is a rimfire barrel and not an airgun barrel. Therefore, the bores diameter is .172 and not .177. one is a powder burner caliber one the other is airgun. As far as tricks for the valve, it is 100% custom by Doug Noble. Nothing in the valve or the valve body is Air force. There are secrets in that valve that I won't discuss because it's Doug's project. I am using a custom hammer weight and heavier spring so I can tell you that. I also have a carbon fiber bottle on the gun for higher fill pressures. So I do fill my gun to 4,000 PSI and that allows me 25 shots at basically 1100 feet per second average. And yes this gun does go supersonic for quite a few shots. If I fill it to 4,500 PSI and turn the power wheel up to about 6 it will easily crack 1,250 ft per second with a 24.5 grain bullet. The guns peak output is 101 foot pounds with a 33 grain round nose slug. And yes it is my most difficult caliber to cast because the bullets are so tiny that is hard keeping the mold hot. But there are tricks around that also. With the 172 caliber, the mold definitely has to stay hot during the entire casting process. If the bullets are not uniform when casting the gun will not shoot accurately at all and some bullets will oscillate. The 172 caliber is not for everyone and it certainly is not for people that do not cast their own slugs because bullets are not readily available. I do have some swage bullets from Varmint Knockers even though he does not openly swage that caliber for retail because it is difficult, but the rounds are gorgeous. And accurate too!. And they're in boat tail. Check out some of my other videos showing the slugs.
Good stuff once again my dude.
Thank you bro!
That’s awesome stuff. I love that rifle!
Thanks for the awesome comment. Yeah the 17 is a favorite of mine. It's way up top on my list
@@Tofazfou Your welcome! I recently added the Airforce Condor SS to my collection and every time I take it out I think of your 17. That is an unbelievable air rifle. I can see why it’s one of your favorites. My Condor has become my go to rifle. Very nice platform to work with. Appreciate you sharing the 17 with us viewers. Great stuff my friend.
@@AzAirgunHunter My pleasure. Thank YOU for even paying attention to my channel. I love the enthusiam, understanding and great comments. On a relavant note, don't forget, guys like NSA and Varmint Knockers (ebay store) make awesome .177 slugs
@@Tofazfou Yes! I am aware of them. I shoot the NSA 36.2gr slugs through my Condor. Very accurate with great energy. Knocking the heck out the pigeons on my permission. Videos coming down the line.
Question. Looking in to getting a Doug Nobel Valve for my .25 cal Condor. I read an article about him and his outstanding working. The article listed his AOL email address. Is email the best way to get in contact with him or is there another way of contact for making a purchase from him?
U Pure Evil 😈 Hip Hop Dude .
Why thank you!
I need one of these in my life. Roy
I like the color blue on the gun
THANKS. Me too. I'm not even that big of a blue person but the Air Force blue really caught my eye
Wow 👏 Awesome shooting bro Awesome video thanks for sharing bsafe
Yep, I watched it again. The whole thing. LOL
Nice!!!!
Thanks Bullfrog. I've seen a couple of your vids too. Good stuff
@@Tofazfou Thank you Cedric!! I appreciate that!!
Wow awesome gun✌️
Gun is so fast 💯
I've never clicked on a video so fast lol
Maaaaan, that Right there just makes me smile ear to ear. I really appreciate comments and support like this
spectacular accuracy, beautiful shots, which model of the valve? where to buy
Thank you very much. It's a complete custom valve done by Doug Noble
Great video and stunning accuracy! At that speed and bullet weight what is the drop at 100 yards?
From LINE OF muzzle to 100 yards, at 1100 fps, the bullet drops 16.4"
That's my favorite movie 🍿🎥
Great video. How many shots do you get from charge and cc of rifles tank please.
You a bad dude! Been watchn you for a few years now. I have a Sumatra 2500 .25. Its nasty lol. Too damn loud though! Want to get rid of it. I have too many now...hard to find a place to sell these higher end pellet guns we have. Anyways. Keep up the smokin lol!
Thanks. Yeah there's some matcha as a beast of a gun. So powerful it doesn't even need to be modded. And yeah you might have to ask around for good websites to sell airguns on I know there are some
Im gonna start lookn. Thanks man
Man, please make a Playlist with the HM content? ✌️
Quick ?
What diameter are your .17 slugs?
.177, .176, .178? Just curious
Thanks for the videos
Sweet gun!
172 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.17_HMR
.172"
Might be time to do thermal rabbit pesting at night will the temperatures are cool enough to get out?
Old STUPID california frowns upon night hunting. Fine line........
@@Tofazfou well that's a bummer
What gun is this gun based on the Texan or the condor ? Who did the work for you thanks
Airforce Condor frame. My machine is who does the barrel and valve board is Doug Noble
Hi friends,who is the twist barrel?sorry i dont speak english very well
Nice! Where did you get the scope rail adapter?
It Chinese. Amazon sells them. And probably other sights too. Just google Dovetail to Weaver scope rails. That thing is about 10" long. And its the only one like it that exist
@@Tofazfou thank you!
Can you elaborate on the setup for those of us that are interested in doing a build
What is the price of this gun bro
Its not a production gun. Its a 1 off custom build using an AIRFORCE frame. Depending on scope, tripod, barrel you choose and your machinist rate, you'll probably drop around $2,000
😳👌🏾
Lmao, Thanks
why is there no megazine in every airforce airgun
What is the bc ??
I have it at .128 and the flat point might be even higher than that by a couple of numbers because it is actually half an inch long or shall I say, half an inch tall. That's pretty long for a 172 cal bullet
Nice shooting Ced! I thought I was a good shooter and videographer but I have never once captured or shot the soul out of a critter!!
Very nice build, round, and shooting.
Shuuuucks, you are good! Lmao, bruh, just keeo recording, You will get something for sure believe me. It comes inevitably. Headshots are the key
Wow, actually hydrostatic shock from an airgun, they say no airgun can produce hydrostatic shock, that's a lie😂
Its SHOCK for sure. About 20 years ago a group of us argued whether or not an air gun can produce hydrostatic shock. It's a good topic but I hate arguing it lol