The Decline of Nokia...What Happened?
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- Опубликовано: 5 мар 2019
- Nokia was once dominant over the cell phone market, nearing a 40% market share (compare that to today when the largest company has about 20% market share). Yet today, they're virtually nonexistent in the market. This video takes a look at the rise and fall of Nokia.
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*To be clear, the Nokia company still exists today and is still fairly large, just much smaller than they once were and they no longer make Nokia branded phones.
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Intro Made By - / @jombo1
The phones were indestructible, unfortunately the company was not
*This is a epic comment*
I know I still have my old Nokia 1100 and it still refuses to die lol
When you make a phone so good no one buys a new onr
*burps*
I was gonna say, isn't that what the Nokia phones best known for? for being practically indestructible?
_"I used to rule the world"_
- *NOKIA*
Brilliant tune. And probably the last truly legendary rock anthem. Fitting given the song's lyrics.
"I used to rule the world,
Phones would ring when I gave the word!
And now I lie here, lost and alone,
Crushed by the market I used to own..."
InventorZahran nice!
@@InventorZahran Spot on
Allan Waite I know what you want to be there by the way home now and get back in the gym and get back with you in a bit then I have to get a new one in the swing of things after I get back from my cell number is a good job of it and send it done and done 👍😊👍😊
What I love about Nokia phones is their durability. I have a 11 yrs old Nokia N97 and still working till this day. It survived many falls including a fall from a moving vehicle which really amazes me. Nowadays I only use it for texting and calls and I really love typing using keypad.
I have Nokia N73 from the year 2006 I was in my teens just 16 years old and I still have it in my old stuff till this day and I had to see if it works out of curiosity and it still works lol
I used it from 2006 till 2012 when I bought my first Blackberry so it served me for 6 years without any issues and it's been with me in my best teen years it's insane how it saved my
life many times and I mean it! this phone saved my life at least 3 times from many dangerous situations and it was the best link between me and my friends and family. I miss those days.
No one had a Nokia after 2008
I've heard that the Nokia CEO who sold it to Microsoft was a former MS executive. They say he only sold it to MS so he could get back into MS and even dreamed about becoming it's CEO one day.
:)
The windows phone os was pretty good but none of the big apps made it a hard sell and because smaller user base to less incentive for devs to bring there apps to the platform
@@exiaR2x78 true, it was trying to solve a problem that the android had already solved.
That would be Stephen Elop.
That didn’t work out too well because Satya Nadella is still CEO and the one who killed Windows Phone from the inside.
Iphone: Falls to the floor, breaks the screen. My Old Nokia: Falls to the floor...breaks the floor.
I love your videos! :D
For a youtuber you using an overused joke just seems ironic because why,you as a "funny" youtuber make a joke that a 2 year old could could know what the joke is without the phones.
just kidding don't attack me.
Samsung: *Explodes*
This has actually happened to me, I broke a floor tile with a nokia phone
If you’ve ever felt useless, just know they made a case to protect Nokia phones.
The case is to protect the floor.
@@apilgurung5005 lol
they should make a case to protect the floor
Nokia’s break paving slabs
The case was to protect the earth from its distructive power
I used several Nokia phones and loved each one of them, especially the 3310, we called it “the brick” because it was so tough.
The last phone I used was a smart phone by Nokia, and it was the N97! And I loved it! It had a lot of novel features from a good camera with a timer and filters, a pen you can draw with, and much more! However, I was unlucky enough to drop the phone and it died. I gave it to someone who repaired it and used it for a long time. Rest In Peace Nokia phones!
Dammm dude are you sure you are not me? I had the exact same experience with Nokia started with 3310 ended with n95 and gave it away to a friend broken but he fixed it and used it. Dammm peace dude! ⚡👍🤟
Around 1999 or so, i was in grade school and we had a upperclassman friend who had the 3310. Every time he would pull the phone out and so us, we were like.. 🙁😟😧😲🤩
Then when i was a broke freshmen, i wanted the n95 so badly but was unable to get one. I kept watching the n95 commercial over and over and over. Later on i was able to get the n96.
Sorry to break it to you, but N95 never had a touch screen 📺. You bought a Chinese knock off.
@@ofanzivnonestabilan Sorry, I meant the N97. The one that flips sideways, revealing a hidden keyboard.
Why do people think the 3310 was sturdier than the 3210??. The 3310 was plastic.
imagine if they adopted android we would be having the most durable screen that not even gorilla glass invictus will come close
They don't, last time I checked, most nokia phones that run android *have* gorrila glass
Nokia Microsoft phones used Gorilla glass like everyone else. They had a special license to produce Zeiss lenses and cameras, but pretty much everything else wasn't manufactured by Nokia to make it more tough.
This video makes me feel old... and want to play snake
Austin B or Brick Attack 🤣
Snake was awesome!
Austin B my first smartphone was a Nokia from 2010 it was simbian. I forgot the name of the phone😂 it was usable but so much worst than the iPhone 4. The battery life was ridiculously big!
@@try8042 What's snake?
@@hiih4499😱you're joking right?
Gotta do Blackberry man, especially the way they shot themselves in the foot with their comeback.
Comeback are you serious ??
@@swagathshetty they tried to make a new flagship smart phone that you could easly break v2 fixed it but the window yo get the foothold failed also most people don't want a button keyboard on a smart phone
@@sqike001ton Well, I want a keyboard... but maybe I'm the only one, haha.
The way they turned down android for years until it was too late
BB KeyOne BE here just dropping by!
But you are definitely right BB making and made so many (sometimes weird) mistakes from HW to SW...my Main is S9...
The big hit wasn't the iPhone it was more the in-built Appstore that truly changed the perception for SymbianOS that didn't have a in-built appstore as all software you wanted to install had to be downloaded to a PC then transferred from there. SymbianOS was by its core very PC-like in its design, meanwhile iOS and Android was designed for the Smartphone design. User friendly experience matters, Nokia didn't understand this as their OS simply was too complicated for a regular joe to learn and experience.
Yeah, I agree, that was a HUGE factor in Nokia's downfall. Convenience always wins out in the end with technology and the fact that Symbian didn't have its own built-in app store, unlike iOS, Android and even Windows Phone, REALLY limited its appeal to the average user once those the former two OSes in particular came along. Requiring you to plug your device into a PC to install apps onto it made more sense in the pre-iPhone days when that was the standard, but in the modern era where mobile devices are now designed to be as independent from PC's as possible? Not so much.
They actually did have a store towards the end. It was called ovi store.
Well, while you're partly right. There was no built in app store on Symbian. I do remember downloading .sis and .sisx files through the phone from websites and wapsites and downloading them. Same with .jars and .jads - those being apps for feature phones rather than smartphones also ran under Symbian as Symbian had a Java VM built in (on Windows Mobile you had to install one)
I also having an old style Windows Mobile phone and downloading .exes to it and installing them directly from websites and wapsites and as I said earlier, one of those .exes you could download could be a Java VM so you could run feature phone apps.
It has to be said, I only did this on 3G, I wouldn't dream of trying it on 2G!
Neither iOS nor Android supported Java Mobile apps so both of those phones demonstrated a massive break from the existing ecosystem for phones. If they hadn't blew the old world away, they would have died a death.
Yes this is the thing. As a geek I found symbian better than iOS and it's ability to tinker with was great, but it always felt unpolished for an average Joe. The phones used to freeze and hang multiple times a day while iOS worked smoothly
Apple & Android were developing software providing good/easy experience for users while Nokia was like throw our phone it won't break 😂 that's why it failed
I’ve had most of the Nokia smartphones that ran on Symbian and I loved it (also quite a lot of their non-smartphones). It was a hobby of mine. My first Symbian was the 7650 and I was stunned by the opportunity to simply install a program and add a functionality that didn’t exist prior - like adding a video recording. Of coarse that wasn’t great with the several mb internal storage and no card slot but it was huge for me. Then I got the N-Gage classic and discovered mobile gaming, which didn’t work well for my school results but it was a lot of fun.
Man, I miss those days and the design of those phones. Today’s are all alike and dull looking.
iPhone happened and Nokia did not embrace Android.
If Nokia would have been on the Android bandwagon then by the time of Ice Cream Sanwich/Jelly Bean (combined with Nokia's awesome hardware) Nokia-Androids would have ruled the world & not Samsung.
exactly. People want a good branded Android phone. At that time, dumb phones made by Samsung are of poor quality compared to Nokia. But things quickly changed, Samsung made Android phones, which meant they have great software with a fairly generic hardware. vs. NOKIA trying to compete this entire ecosystem (iPhones and Android phones) with their poor outdated Symbian ecosystem. Its stupid.
@@kirankankipati-thelinuxcha689 That's the biggest sin Nokia committed. They chose Symbian over Android....phewww!!
It took them so long to try and come up a new os that they were years behind and it didn't run as well as competition, if they adopted android from the beginning things might have been different
Roseberry pie actually they discontinued Symbian instead producing boring windows
AlphaCentauri24 no the problem is they didn t embrace the smartphone technology and the problems in the company and competition by the nokia different teams to make an os for the phone that is advanced and compete with ios and android
because they last so long theres no need for a new one
@@Whiteyy191 who needs the internet
Their downfall makes so much sense after this comment LMAO
@@bo2add_a_few_charactures nothing but flat earthers and Sandy hoaxers on the internet
@@bo2add_a_few_charactures I use my gateway pc with cow on the box and America online CD to get on internet
@@SgtJoeSmith Dial-up 4 Life!
It was unreal how popular Nokia was. I had one, my siblings had one, all of our friends had one, and most of our parents with cell phones at the time had one. Back when you can run over your phone with an 18-wheeler and still be in good shape, and the game snake was one of the only games you could play on it
So glad I found your channel! I remember every phone in my household being a Nokia, and later on, Samsung’s slider phones, to iPhone. I had Windows 8 on a Nokia, I remember it fondly. They really were the best!
Former Nokia employee here. The most salient point you made was that they had great hardware held back by poor software... Back in Symbian days! We were still saying that well into the Microsoft period! Sad stuff.
If Nokia would have gone to Android, I very much believe they'd be a major competitor today. The hardware on the Lumia line was fantastic and the cameras were incredible.
A son of a former Nokia employee here. Lumia hardware was amazing and the software had so many good ideas. However it was too late...
More surfaced on it, looked the lates uncovering on the "Gaps and Slots" case?
I loved the lumia phones...
The Windows mobile OS was the best OS, just never had a significant userbase due to hitting the market too late. It was always behind the hype curve.
The camera were the beast. Just look the 1020.. Nokia had potential with the N9, if only you guys were focus on it. I believe. . . .
I had a Kia. Then I crashed it. Now I have Nokia
...Grown
Nice.
@Poison Maybe he neant it was a dad joke for " grown " men?
He didn't, obviously, but...
Also, I had a Kia. Then someone else crashed into it. Now I have an old Ford Focus Wagon. 😂 It's actually a good car too.
😂cracked me up
Company Man : " I bet you're not watching this on a Nokia phone ! "
Me, who bought a
Nokia Smartphone : " hehe "
Same, when he said: "they are not making phones anymore" i watch at my Nokia 3.4 and i thought: Are you sure about that?
Me watching this on my Nokia 3.2 be like:
I'm watching on my Nokia 6.1
Looking at the photos you showed of Nokia phones... Just seeing that font carried me viscerally back to college and choosing a ringtone on my first cell phone! lol
Extremely loud and original ringtones. High quality for it's time. That's what I remember about Nokia.
Charleston tone was my favourite
The distinct ringtone that will embarrass you in the class
Nba to you about it tomorrow morning to get it done by the way home
I remember charging mine once a week while also using it as an ipod.
And battery, long lasting battery... Dont forget about it...
The Windows phones were really colorful and had a very unique UI. The only problem was that their App Store didn't have much to offer in comparison to iOS and Android.
The lumia 1520 would have been my daily driver had it run Android
But windows phone did have one thing that android and iOS are still playing catchup the battery life on windows phone was outstanding
Well... to be fair, it was in part because Android (I mean Google) kept breaking their access to services like RUclips. Android and Apple did everything they could to kill Windows Phone, because they didn't want another competitor. If we had a government at the time that gave a crap about Sherman anti-trust laws, they could have done some good.... but I guess those Google and Apple lobbyists pay too well.
@@flashoverride2 Pretty much like Microsoft in the 1990's, they are killing other OS. Its just a karma like effect to them.
Lumia 920 is the best phone ive had. Fluid, fast, responsive, fantastic screen and camera. Had all the apps I needed (i dont play games on my phone)
I loved Symbian, and the whole Nokia ecosystem back then. I used to look forward to going to Ovi Store, and Nokia Beta labs daily to see what new and cool apps they are creating. The N8, and the 808 were groundbreaking phones in the camera hardware field. I still own both today.
My mum had the xpress music but I was maybe 8/9 when she had it. It seemed really astounding, especially compared to the other phones I saw being the razors my grandparents had.
Well, you did Nokia, now it's time for Blackberry. I used to have one of those and it was interesting--at the time.
And don't forget Sony Erricson
ohhhh yeahhh
I had the red blackberry curve
The iPhone killed it.
Oh yeah I remember when my umcle got his it was hot shit at the time
Nokia should've adopted Android from the beginning
They could've been like Samsung
This...I don't know how many people I knew said they would have bought a Lumia if it ran android, that was just a bad decision to go with windows phone
@@midnitestate android or Windows phone have nothing to do with it. Nokia only went Windows after years of trying to sell the market on Symbian and Meego. By the time they chose Windows, choosing android wouldn't have made any difference
Android didn't exist back then, dumbass.
EDIT: Apparently I'm the dumbass. I thought that Android wasn't released until 2009/10 or so.
@@fgsaramago choosing android didn't help Blackberry either
@@angolin9352 Um, yea it did. First Android phone released in 2008.
My 1st phone in high school was an analog nokia brick phone (the one where you had to pull the antenna up). Thing had a battery that would last for days on end and yes could not be broken if you tried. Plus, you could play snake on it! Best part, if you wanted to put a custom ringtone on it, you had to link it to your computer and transfer a midi file
I loved my N97 mini and 5800, still have them, the N97 mini looks fantastic and was in my opinion the best looking phone of it's era.
I remember the N97 as quick enough, but then again the Iphone 3 wasn't super quick itself, so the bar wasn't that high.
What I feel is missing from that time, is how easy the phones where to fix, want to change the screen? remove som screws and install a new or want a new battery, just remove the rear cover, no big task.
As a Finnish person this gives the same feelings as the fall of Constatinople.
it's basically the only thing your country is known for internationally and it hasn't been relevant in well over a decade lol
@@sleepful1917 that and angry birds&supercell
:)
@@sleepful1917 you live in a cave? Finland is mentioned quite frequently in all sorts of study reports.
Edit: And heavy metal
@@lee-fc5bu i forgot about supercell hahaha i used to play coc and clash royale sooo much in high school
Only OG's will remember the snake game on those Nokias
I played the snake game
I dropped my dads nokia in a bucket of water while playing. Pulled it out and kept playing
tHeShadyLuGia Legend
Oh my gosh I forget about the game though it was the thing I used most often
I remember
~18yo
I think you got it pretty well. I had a Nokia in 2007. I had tried a Motorola StarTac, but Nokia had the best user interface and battery life. For work I had a Blackberry which I hated. The iPhone was interesting but not ready in my opinion. My first iPhone was the 3GS because it used 3G for data and was just better overall. I’ve never looked back.
@6:55, that's true, around 2010 in my country at least, we used to refer to smartphones as "touch screen" phones and that noun "touchscreen" was meant to convey that the thing was expensive, and that it's the type of device you'd expect usually business people to use
Watching on a Nokia 6.1....... ouch
Me too!
Ouch why? It's not made by Nokia, but rather by a totally unrelated company who licenses the name. Its addressed in the video
@@fgsaramago So technically then Apple also doesn't make phones since they're made by Foxconn right?
@@TintelFruit no, it's apple who develops, markets, sells and contracts manufacturing. Apple has decisory power and is involved every step of the way.
Current Nokia phones have no involvement from Nokia except for letting HMD Global use the name and logos. HMD Global is assuming the same role as Apple does with iPhone, hence HMD is the phone maker, not Nokia
@@fgsaramago
"Nokia has no investment in HMD but remains a partner, setting mandatory requirements and providing patents and technologies"
Basically, Nokia's phones are still made by Nokia through other companies (HMD+Foxconn).
Watching this on my Nokia 8. The only phone I've owned for more than a year in which the performance hasn't degraded exponentially.
Guess some things never change. Then again, I have an LG...got it for 100 bucks, never had a problem.
My Nokia retains the indestructible reputation. I can throw it on the floor and there are no cracks.
Got same phone drop it on my kitchen floor, I need a new tile
because it's shitty from the beginning
I would also recommend LG, the majority of my phone's over the last 12ish years have been from them, and taking both quality and price/performance into account, I am very satisfied. I plan on keeping my G8 for quite a while longer
I owned a Nokia N9 smartphone running the MeeGo OS, which was pretty much dead on arrival, since Nokia had already announced the switch to Windows Phone by the time it came out. That user interface was so ahead of its time, it's not until the last couple of years that iOS and Android have been able to match the convenience of use.
I've had three Nokia phones since, two of them smartphones. A Lumia 635 which was the last model sold under the Nokia brand before Microsoft took over, and a 5.1 Android phone from which I ended up switching to a refurbished iPhone. Both were decent low-end smartphones, but I found the iPhone SE I replaced the second one with to be better value for money in terms of convenience of use.
The most recent Nokia phone I've bought is one of the new "bricks", an 8110 4G which I keep as a spare phone alongside my current Xiaomi Android phone.
Hi great video, could you do one what happened to Ericsson mobile phones, cheers CB Australia 🇦🇺 👍
The company broke before the phone did.
😅😅😅
The planet broke before the guard did!
@@arfn1973 man of culture
@@IncomingDeath :)
Everyone that disagrees is Heretical and MUST BE PURGED!!!
The Nokia "brick" was so good, I beat a man to death with it. Then called the police on it cause I felt bad. Worked great for both things.
The first cell phone had to be carried around in a suitcase. ruclips.net/video/694TX2lQ7Uo/видео.html
💀
I threw mine in a working jet turbine and stopped a jumbo jet from taking off. They had to replace the engine and the wing.
Fat Basterd Bwahaha,
🤣
I have Nokia N73 from the year 2006 I was in my teens just 16 years old and I still have it in my old stuff till this day and I had to see if it works out of curiosity and it still works lol
I used it from 2006 till 2012 when I bought my first Blackberry so it served me for 6 years without any issues and it's been with me in my best teen years it's insane how it saved my
life many times and I mean it! this phone saved my life at least 3 times from many dangerous situations and it was the best link between me and my friends and family. I miss those days.
I’ve still got my Nokia 8310 from about 2001. It still chargers and works. My N8 I kept for years as the camera was superb compared to other phones at the time. Had several Symbian phones before switching to Apple and I thought they were fine tbh. They did what I wanted them to do very well.
I remember me with my Nokia having battle with that rich kid with his Blackberry
Plz Tell me that story
Did you throw your nokia at that rich kid?
Damn I'm surprised his Blackberry didn't crack from the stress of seeing a Nokia.
@Big Den who cares about tracking. it is unlikely he is a criminal
To be fair to them, Nokia is making good phones now. They have the right operating system, and their hardware is as good as ever. Also, yeah I remember my dad owning a Nokia phone with Symbian on it, and at the time I just remember there not being an app store for it, at least not one that I knew of (although there most likely was one, just with very limited apps). So even though my android phone had significantly worse hardware, I still much preferred to use that.
Yea I recently just purchased a nokia 6.1 with the copper trim like the one pictured at 2:00 and it is a quality device at a very competitive price. My dad had one of those tough old nokias. I remember it going through alot and still working. Once he dropped it in the beer between his legs while driving down the road. worked for years after that.
The modern Nokia phone is Nokia only as a brand, good bang for the buck phones though.
@@Pentti_Hilkuri Well since HMD is a bunch of former Nokia execs, I still consider it to be truly Nokia. But technically yes, it is a different company.
what happened to myspace and yahoo for the love of jebussss
Well, it doesn’t make phones at all. Former execs might work for HMD and use the name under licence, but current execs run the network infrastructure side of things for “truly Nokia.”
very succinctly put . well done.
one friend of mine in high school here in brazil had one of those symbian based nokia smartphones, i used it for a bit and at the time being an android user (galaxy pocket) the nokia smartphone felt weird, it was like using a normal cell phone but with a bigger screen and touch input, the interface wasn't really optimized for touch and it was really barebones in terms of features. latter another friend had a lumia 800 and i felt it was a huge improvement, that smartphone was beautiful, sadly windows phone didn't take off
Do the decline of BLACKBERRY smartphones.
Blackberry declined for the same reason Nokia did. Like Nokia with Symbian, Blackberry had an in house O/S which was not compatible with anything except Blackberry, and it was years behind it's competitors once touchscreens became the norm - all older blackberry phones had full physical keyboards right up to the time of their demise.
Apple is the only company who has successfully imposed an O/S on consumers and they liked it - Android was developed by Google, who weren't a hardware company.
But the reason people accepted the iOS is that it is a port of their already mature desktop O/S and shared many features with the desktop O/S. They had all the groundwork in place, including the app store and iTunes before they even launched a phone. These were in place to service the iPod and mac laptops. The first apple phone was basically an iPod with mobile phone hardware added.
Blackberry should have partnered with Microsoft and used Windows phone, or even with Google and used Android(though this would be less preferable as Android is open source, the Windows kernel is not) - they may have been able to keep hold of the business market, which was their main target.
But as time went by, iOS and Android got better and better, Symbian and Blackberry OS fell way behind, their interfaces were horrible and clunky to use on the newly introduced touchscreens - where iOS and Android excelled, and they died a slow death. Apple ended being the phone businesses bought, and the market share that Blackberry had went virtually straight to Apple in a very short period of time.
Sidenote: Businesses prefer to use iOS over Android for the same reason they loved Blackberry - security. Apple jealously (and I mean REALLY jealously) guards their O/S kernel, as does Microsoft. For this reason it was always going to be Apple or Microsoft to capture the business market, as both O/S are closed source, which makes it easier to secure devices running their O/S.
actually, speaking as a former ATT employee, blackberry has only gone from public consciousness. its actually still in the top 5 most used phones on the att network. after apple, Samsung, Motorola, then blackberry, in that order. its nestled securely with a dedicated "cult" following. as for the phones themselves..... they are probably the highest end phone on the market. (still have the keyboard though despite also having a touchscreen) Samsung and especially apple are HORRIFYINGLY buggy and have issues all the damn time to the point that att employs multiple third party companies just to do tech support for almost entirely those two brands. they are like driving some garbage Trabant left over from the cold war, while blackberry is over there looking like a Lamborghini. its night and day in quality difference. (i honestly dont understand why anyone buys apples in particular, given how trash they are.... they glitch out and screw up/break themselves almost all the time to the point that if youve had an iphone without any problems you are insanely lucky. the "kindest" estimates att had for iphone functionality was about 23% dont crap out. meaning 77% of iphones are basically doomed to fail.)
Both my parent’s jobs moved from Blackberry to iPhones. So, they might be declining there too. But idk because that’s just 2 examples.
@@e.corellius4495 , Just to clarify, I am definitely NOT an Apple fan boy. Never owned one, never want to.
I dont get why nokia doesnt bring out a tough phone. The phone equivalent of a panasonic tough book thats super indestructible with a boat load of battery, a hardened encrypted os and flagship specs. With nothing like that on the market and their reputation, They would sell millions to goverments and companies.
No need when OtterBox exists.
I remember a brand use to sell such a phone when I worked at Verizon a few years ago. Because of all those added features, the phone was pricier. Who wants to pay more for all of that when, like the other person said, you can just buy a case? I'm not paying $100 extra for a device I can made more durable with a $30 purchase.
@@TiberianFiend screw OtterBox, their cases are so difficult to open
Survivalists love this idea
Caterpillar makes phones like this. It's such a small niche market though she tough cases can actually do a better job.
My last 4 smart phones were Nokias - n97 mini, Lumia 925, Nokia 8 and currently the Nokia XR20…..
Well done, if they ever make an E7 with todays android etc. I am all over that purchase. thanks brother
I worked for Sony Ericsson around 2008 and had a good viewpoint on where many of the old phone companies went wrong. Near the end of 2008, Android was around in its earlier forms, but it was still useable, but instead many of the old guard of manufacturers formed the Symbian Foundation in an attempt to turn Symbian from a piece of garbage into something that could compete with iOS / Android.
As software engineers, we could see it was a terrible decision at the time and were baffled as to why Sony Ericsson and the other manufacturers didn't just ditch Symbian and jump onto Android early on, as an early Android OS was still looking far superior to anything that Symbian were doing. Incompetent management who weren't in touch with the innovations taking place at the time was the biggest cause of many of the old guard manufacturers falling apart.
Exactly.
You're absolutely right!!!
Android killed Nokia. Android killed RIM. Both companies made the same mistake of sticking with their own inferior OS and eco system.
They also could use Linux. I bet it would progress more like iOS which is Unix based.
I've been using android since 2011 with the sansung S1 and previously I used an windows mobile device (HP ipaq). I was always amazed by how much more advanced android was compared to ios, back in the day IOS didn't even had a file explorer manager and you couldn't attach files to an mail. Everything I can do today with my phone I could do 12 years ago with android 2.3
@@zaxmaxlax reminds me of argos if they dumped their shops and catalogues year's ago and went Internet there would of been no amazon company
I miss my nokia phone, that damn thing was indestructible
I remember the first time i saw a nokia phone a friend from school told me "wanna see something crazy?" of course! he took his nokia and threw it away hards as he could, i scream at him ARE YOU CRAZY? he laughed at me and we went to get phone back poor thing fly like 100 meters crashed on the pavement and all the parts were scattered on the school parking lot we searched for the pars for like 10 minutes when we had all the parts we put them back together and the thing was working like nothing happened, that was the first time i witnessed how durable those things were.
they still are, I own Nokia 6.1, god damned phone is still indestructible and a cheap alternativ for a fucking amazing phone. Bought it 2 and a half years ago, still going strong, still gets all up to date android updates and at the time was stronger than one of samsung's newest models that came out but cost less. I am never switching from Nokia smartphones ever again and the new ones look dope :D
My last Nokia was the N95 which managed to navigate me around Florida in my hire car thanks to the Tomtom app on Symbian and a Bluetooth GPS receiver. When I moved from that phone it was to the XDA devices, basically early HTC.
I used to write software for Symbian. Around 2004. It wasn't a bad OS, technically speaking. Sony-Ericsson had a range of Symbian phones as well. One problem was that the two brands used a different framework for the user interface. Ericsson used UIQ, but was compatible with apps written for straight extension-free Symbian (apps that didn't use the extra UIQ stuff). Nokia, however, had their own framework, and if you didn't use that framework it didnt work at all. Apps for the Nokia phones had to be developed specifically for that platform. In C++. We got it working on a Linux box (developers tend to be large Linux users), with some steps in the compilation done using wine. So it was hacky, kludgy, and then came Android. It's no surprise that took the market.
Nokia 3310 Best mobile phone ever made, period. Nokia should re-brand it as a survival phone. Unmatched battery life (months), lightweight, tough as old nails, no sim required to call emergency services. Yes Nokia you can sponsor us now for this endorsement and idea.
Every phone can call emergency services without a SIM card, or a cell signal, for that matter.
True story!
Agreed 3310 was a beast
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My 3310's battery is kinda stupid. The phone just randomly turns off even though it has full 100% battery.
Those phones were *indestructible* !
I been trying to break one for 15 years
I work in tech and have learned that, if you build something too robust and "unbreakable" you will quickly run out of customers, until you redesign but you still wont capture those that would normally purchase second hand. So putting a lifespan on something is just good buisness.
had a Nokia brick phone with the green screen, thing didn't die until i forgot to take it out of my pocket when i went into the water at the beach, 20min later i felt a vibration in my pocket, it might have been fine with another battery, but i moved on to the Motorola Razor after that.
dropped that poor thing so many times, Good Phone!
I've been seeing you a lot lately
Now i kinda miss my n8, it was a trooper. Fell from my pocket on to asphalt while riding a bike and it only lost some paint from the back casing while the screen was completely fine.
My last Nokia was the N95. it ran Symbian 9.2. I loved the phone & it went well. The only issue I had was the GPS mapping never worked. I had the phone sent in for repair & they replaced the motherboard, still same problem. After about 8 mths I sold the Nokia & moved over to Apple iPhone 3G, loved it. I had many Nokia phones before the N95, I found the earlier models with the dot matrix screens the best one's. The 3310 was my favourite Nokia.Today I have been loyal to Samsung for the past 8-9 years. I just upgraded to the S23 ultra & this really is an amazing phone.
They may still have been around if they had adopted Android.
Maybe the architecture redesign was too big an investment and risk
absolutely at least in a small part but theyd at least exist
They did after some year. Nokia's Asha series. My father brought one of those & it was shit.
@@mayuresh1690 tell me it was the shit not a shit
I have a nokia 7plus on adroid. It's getting old now, but is/was a great phone
Modern Nokia smartphones are pretty great for cheaper practicality. JerryRigEverything gave them two awards in his Smartphone Durability Awards of 2018: easiest to repair, and most durable budget phone. Specifically, the Nokia 7 Plus.
I've personally used a Nokia 7 plus and I have to agree, It's a great phone and they only seem to be improving their new phones.
Heyyo, I'd say the new Android Nokia phones are nice like the 7.1... but dang, I wouldn't call them cheap or cost effective when they're trying to sell a device at the same price range of the Pocophone F1 without anywhere near the same hardware specifications.
I think as well a major fault that Nokia made was they were against bootloader unlocking and kernel source code releases... So I didn't even consider buying a Nokia Android phone... And now? It's quite hard to justify since Xiaomi (and Asus) have some ridiculously good value devices and they are brands with known developer communities.
A prime example of what I mean is I own a LeEco Le Max 2. It's essentially a 2016 flagship that was sold at half the price of a Samsung Galaxy S7. I didn't consider getting one until I saw it had kernel source code releases and bootloader unlocking and some good AOSP device maintainers had bought it and an official LineageOS 13.0 for the Le Max 2 was imminent.
Now? I've stepped up and I'm one of the LineageOS device maintainers for the Le Max 2 and we were even part of the initial official LineageOS 16.0 Android Pie release devices. :)
So... I'd consider a Nokia device if in the future my Le Max 2 dies... But Nokia have an uphill battle to win me over since there's usually a lot of other devices in the same price range with better hardware and timely kernel source code and bootloader unlocking availability... So I'd have to really consider paying extra for the "Nokia brand"
@@ThEMarD That would pretty much make their phones illegal to market in the States due to GPL enforcement.
Android One is why I bought my Nokia 7.1... I don't want the MiUi or other skins from these Chinese manufacturers.
@paula I want a nokia 9.......
I used to have a Nokia 3650, which ran on Symbian. Big, bulky thing, with a then-pretty-decent color screen and a really weird circular button layout. Looked a bit like a rotary phone. It ran Java applications, I remember playing a Star Trek Nemesis game and listening to music using an MP3 player app. You could insert an SD or MMC card for file storage, which was a big thing at the time. The downside is, you had to remove the battery first to access the card slot. It also had a removable faceplate and backplate, which was the "cool feature" back then. I remember sanding it down and re-painting it once it got scratched up in my pants pockets.
After it got old and became jittery and slow, I bought an iPhone. 3GS, if memory serves. Instant regret, from the moment I first powered it on. You couldn't even set an MP3 as ringtone, let alone drag-and-drop music files onto the internal storage. No, you had to use Apple's proprietary synch app on your computer. What a piece of junk! Had a nifty silent mode toggle switch, the only feature I found really useful. I got another iPhone later on, no real improvement over the previous one, so I switched to Android as fast as I could.
Back in the day I yearned for a Nokia N900 smartphone with a slideout keyboard and cool Linux OS. Android came along and I've used various phones since - last two were both Nokia Android One phones (Nokia 6.1 and Nokia 7.2) which I am extemely pleased with. Great quality and without the bloatware typical of other manufacturers. Both phones still work wonderfully and do what they need to do perffectly on lovely hardware (surf, call, email, chat, video, photos, etc.)
I did alot of work with a Nokia plant. The plant managers and engineers were very competent but their upper management did not listen to them. They bought hundreds of thousands of dollars of production equipment that was obsolete before it was installed. The constant change of production equipment created training issues, poor production throughput and QC issues. The overall atmosphere was frustration and failure. After a huge investment, the plant was closed and the manufacturing was sent to a plant in Mexico.
Very interesting. Going windows was a kill decision as well
Company Man: "No matter what your age is, you do not own a Nokia cellphone"
Me: *watches on my Nokia 6.1* you're wrong
Goodluck with that usb-c port I had a 7.1 until a month ago when it self destruct. Thankfully Amazon gave me a refund
Same here, battery is a bit on the weaker side, but it's worth the android One, relatively cheap price for a real brand
Watching on my 5.1 :D
Personally I saw a lot of people ditch their Nokia brick when the Motorola Razr came out as well.
For a couple of years, I used and was very satisfied with a Nokia E72 smartphone. It was smart in that you could download some apps on it. Symbian S60's waak point was connectivity. It had a full email management and a really pleasant UI, but internet browsing was clumsy. Although perfect as a business phone, it was no match to iOs and Android, so it ultimately suffered nearly the same fate as Blackberry.
Watching this on a Nokia 6.1 Plus 😂
I watched this on a Nokia 5
Watching on a Nokia 7 plus
Well technically they aren't Nokia's lmao
watching this on a Nokia 6630!
@@xxhalfemptyxx7713 ok, you win
I can't remember if I ever had a Nokia, but this video made me nostalgic for my Motorola RAZR.
my mom actually was part of the software development team for the RAZR. got laid off though :(
@@bananya6020 my great uncle was Jesus sadly he got laid off
I loved the razr v3i...I want it back. I used to have Nokia 5110, 3310 and 5510 which was the first to have "mp3 player".
“ Back in my day “ my first Nokia had a green & black screen lol 😂 wild to think about how far tech has come in a very short time all in all
Where in the world is the brand name Nokia (knock-eee-ah) pronounced as (NO-key-ah)? Certainly not Finland.
You didnt mention that the Nokia CEO before it went the Microsoft way was an Ex-Microsoft employee. A MS injected Trojan Horse.
I bought a 1500$ Nokia 9000 Communicator in 2001 1st real pocket pc it could even send a receive faxes and go on full web sites (not WAP), the thing was crazy . Funny thing about it is I still have it and it still works perfectly lol. Built like a tank like most Nokia phones. My son left in phone in his pants pocket once in the washing machine. We try to turn it on and nothing so we through it in the dryer and it worked. Funny thing is we still have that phone and it also still works. Most of these new so called smart phones self destruct after a few years SMH......
Loved the video
But where do you get the data of nokia operating profit? I searched everywhere but I still couldn’t find it, Can I have the data that you use in this video? I want to use it for my thesis research, thank you.
I had a Nokia 3110 in middle school (2004)
The first cell phone I ever had....I enjoyed the heck outta it. Thanks for the memories ☺️ 🥲
I've been subscribed to you since your first video, and this has become one of the channels I recommend to people looking for something new on youtube. I've seen all your videos, and I will watch every new one you make, because you make whatever topic you're covering interesting. Here's to 200 videos!
(No) (Kia), without the stress on the “i”
exactly what i was thinking
Naw-kee-ahh
know, kee, ya.
Or in the UK (my country) Knock-ia.
Lo bee huh
I felt bad for Nokia from around 2016 under HMD global,they reached their peak again and nobody noticed. at that time I owned a Nokia 6 and that was one of the most sturdiest and well thought out phones I have ever owned,it ran android and operated lag-free even after upgrades to android 9.
It has been handed down 3 times since I owned it and it still works.
I watched this video on a Nokia 9....have only ever had Nokia's and I love them! Great camera and indestructible
Just you wait, once all society has collapsed, the earth is deprived of all life, and the sun has consumed our entire solar system...
Nokia phones wills still be around
With no towers to use them (not that any of the old Nokias work in today's 3G/4G networks anyway
YOU
I have a nokia smartphone running Android right now!!!! #nokiaisback
君愷范 that’s a oof
Chill
Me too, i have a Nokia 6
Nokia 3 running Android 7.1.1 Nougat!!!!
Me 2 I have a Nokia 3.1 plus
N97 mini with landscape keyboard and android OS with touchscreen and ease of uploading MP3s to play back with a standard and blutooth listening option.
I loved the keyboard as I never really enjoyed touchscreen even with swiping.
If there is anything that could match this, please let me know.
My first cellphone was a Siemens S6 E back in 1992 or 93. After that it was Nokia all the way through (I believe) till my first smartphone, the Samsung Galaxy S3. I still remember the old bricks very fondly.
Am I the only one who desperately wanted a blackberry growing up, and remember them being the coolest thing?
Yup. I was in early elementary school when apple entered the scene, revolutionized the industry, and i still remember when my uncle got his, and the whole family thought it was h o t s h i t
@@galactic-hamster7043 YES IT'S NOT JUST ME!
I don't know why I'm getting so fired up over what smartphone In thought was cool back then but here I am
@@katbird2699 the past was a crazy time my dude
@@galactic-hamster7043 Geez the 1st apple phone came out when I was a hs senior. Makes me feel old. Also remember when people thought lg chocolate, sidekick, & BlackBerry pearl were the shit. Good times.
@@johnnys3576 all this nostalgia i.n the comments😭😭
Can you do a video on Boeing? Probably a Bigger Than You Know. They're the #1 exporter in the US, currently have half a trillion dollars in orders, which is very interesting since they don't sell anything to the normal consumer.
Re-Agent I agree. This would be one that would be relevant. Definitely a video people probably don't even know that they WANT to see.
Re-Agent He should make a video about Airbus as well, since they’re the largest aircraft manufacturer in Europe, and they’re also Boeing’s largest competitor.
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A versus video between airbus and Boeing would be great
“Like a college student taking 22 credit hours but failing all the classes” fantastic line, I’m stealing that.
I had a Nokia smartphone in about 2011 or 2012 that ran on the Symbian S60 system and was quite happy with it. I have family in Mexico and I downloaded Whatsapp from Nokia's store to make international calls. Alas, many of the third-party app makers stopped catering for Symbian, including Whatsapp, so I switched to a MotoG3 in about 2016. I now use a MotoG9 as I have stuck with that simple, cheap range which gives me everything I need in a mobile. As did Nokia, come to think about it, but they did not keep up with the essential apps.
If Nokia would have gone with Android, things could have been way different
Nokia are producing Android devices now.
@@Matt-sj4ib too late when the market is over-saturated
Nokia 7 plus was one of the first smartphones that got Android 9
N96ZG their CEO was from Microsoft.
Windows phone era of Nokia was my favorite.. I have a nokia 5 and android is a downgrade from WP
"no-key-ah"?
i always called it "no-kya"
Nok ear
Nah-kye-yuh
No key ah
Cran
yeah, thanks for saying it
I had a Lumia I really liked it. I wish they came out with a updated model, I would have purchased that as well.
i had a nokia n97, it was fun to play on the go kinda like a bit derpy but more advanced gameboy the OS non-capacitive touchscreen input was a bit laggy but it was operatable and the phone had a hinge that if you slide up the screen uncovers a tiny full-sized qwerty keyboard with a dpad and a ok button in the center of it. i liked that phone but i accidentally broke its charging port at a time when repairs at shops already stopped supporting it.
Nokia,
*_The only phone that can survive a serious punch from Saitama._*
ディアスジェレミー Lmdao!!
That phone can survive thanos snap.
@@nengthao5618 or even reverse it
@@Omnissiah_ or Black Hole It
Congrats on your 100th video! I really enjoy your content Company Man. I’m sure I speak for alot of us when I say I’m looking forward to seeing the video count rise up 👍🏽
Nokia C5 - 00 is my favorite non-smartphone. Had a great memories with it!
By 7:09 u se the best Nokia ever, the N 900 running with Linux.I was sure the only one who had it in my school back then.
It was the only one who run with Linux Software and it was so ahead of its time becouse u could do stuff like on ur computer if u knowd how, rly awesome phone and it had amazing quality :D
Congratulations on the 100th video 🔥🔥🤟🏽
I think you forgot Stephen Elop's roots in Microsoft and that he got $18 million after the sale of Nokia in a contract negotiated the day before... then blamed his divorce for his refusal to renegotiate his contract because half of it would go to his ex-wife and he couldn't afford it. The entire thing reeks of a Microsoft-loyal CEO of Nokia facilitating the sale of Nokia to Microsoft after first crippling it with the use of Windows Phone on all its products instead of Android. This was a particularly egregious series of events since Linus Torvalds, the man who started and manages the Linux kernel, is also from Finland and Linux is what Android is based on, so out of some sort of sentiment for the man and his creation, if Nokia had chosen to go with Android, they would have had a much better chance of prospering and been able to play more to their strengths, hardware, they wouldn't have been sold to Microsoft then sold by Microsoft as a loser only to barely come out with anything in the smartphone/cell phone market.
I'm a bit sad that Stephen Elop is/was Canadian. I'm Canadian. We're not really supposed to be this contemptuous, clumsy, inefficient, or conspicuously bad all around, at least at the highest levels. Or at least that is what I want to think of my fellow Canadians, at least at the highest levels of business and government.
While Stephen Elop might not be the focus of your video or the decline of Nokia, it does seem that his loyalties and his actions sped it up quite a lot. It should have been an easy and obvious choice, at least out of loyalty to Linus Torvalds and an already successful Android. It's easy to look back and say this, but shouldn't the board have been able to stop the CEO from throwing the company under the bus using an operating system that was unproven and very conspicuously showed his bias toward his former employer?
@@johnhammink2716 A way of prepping the company to make a desperate move.
Back in 2008 my dad had the 5800 xpress music touchscreen ,the one that is showed on vid when talking about nokia smartphones, and whenever im out with my friend and if my dad is home..he lets me use it and i was blown away by how fast it was and it never really got stuck. The earpods that came with it are like apple earpod pros that go deep in ur ear. Early noise cancellation. And the camera was like 3.2 to 5mp which was hella good back then. Now after watching this vid nostalgia hit me hard and im bout to order one on ebay for $40. It got 3G connection and 128mb ram lol. Microsd upto 16gb is supported and internal memory is just 88 mb lol. But that was a very solid phone with black and red accents with good for its time touchscreen. Those were the last true nokias (not rebadged androids)
Looking back, there were other major factors like the loss of CDMA licenses and the resistance to adopting to capacitive screens. In the end though, adopting windows without app eco system support crippled them.
insert nokia phones being invincible and heavy joke here
Whirligig no
“They just don’t make cell phones anymore”
A few seconds later...
“And they still make cell phones...”
They *actually* don’t make them. They just license their name to HMD.
This Nokia is not actually Nokia.
@@ranjanbiswas3233 But people who used to work at nokia
HMD is made up of most of Nokia's original design team. So yes the HMD Nokia's are Nokia's as far as I'm concerned. Currently using a Nokia 6.2 and apart from the slightly underpowered chip set and the occasional camera crash it's been great the build quality is typical Nokia.
@Viktor Turtle He said (Know-kia)
I own 2 current Nokia Android phones. Dual SIM, unlocked, android 10. They work happily with the major US carriers as well as international GSM carriers.
My Nokia phones I have are still functional after so many years. I don’t use them but they’ll still charge and turn on I can’t say the same for my older iPhones. They built awesome hardware and I really do miss that aspect of a phone