maybe andrew wakefield study, its not dark per se but it possibly could apply due to how absolute wrong in regards to procedure and profession of who ran it and what it was for(a court case so there goes not being bias), plus he even incorrectly gave a non-autistic kid the ASD diagnosis. wouldn't mind that being under consideration at the very least. if its not covered, that's okay its not as dark as these other dark side of science videos.
You could do a piece about Thomas Dent Mutter and the "mutter flap" skin graphing technique that is still used today. If you haven't already of course.
You should do the Emma Eckstein case as it is one of the most morally paradoxical experiments I have ever read as it involves a doctor voluntarily disfigured his patient to try to cure a mental illness. Also it involves Sigmund Freud (The founder of Psychoanalysis and probably the most famous shrink of all time)
Since science is an agreed method on how to go about determining the properties of reality (like: gathering data; trying to disprove one's own thesis; peer review etc)., without any _'sides"_ to it whatsoever, the question about what should or shouldn't be allowed in the pursuit of scientific knowledge, is a _moral_ one and has nothing to do with the method itself, let alone that there is a _Dark Side_ to it. To say that there is, is like calling it _"The Dark Side of Hammers"_ if the tool, invented to drive nails into wood was used as a murder weapon.
These experiments have me so conflicted. They’re barbaric, but they also laid the groundwork for modern-day perfusion therapies. Having had 3 open-heart surgeries, including a transplant, I literally owe my life to heart-lung perfusion.
As with everyone walking the Earth today. We should all give thanks to those who laid down their lives before us, to pave the way so that we may know life as we know it today. Whether it be the result of War, or being the first patient to consent to be in a groundbreaking medical procedure, or suffering as a martyr, that after the act of martyrdom so many may worship as they choose. It's been like that since we began walking upright and became intelligent, those before us made great sacrifices so those who are next in line may hopefully have it better than they. And so on and so forth. Until the end of time...
It didn’t require these brutal experiments. These were for the novelty and propaganda. Others were working on machines to keep patients alive without decapitation.
@@davidthedeaf No, these experiments were performed long before I was alive, and I’m not condoning them in any way, just saying I feel bad for even indirectly profiting from them.
Felicette, the first cat in space. Strapped down with electrodes attached to her head, subjected to far higher G forces than the Apolo astronoughts yet she survived, only to later be killed for an autopsy in which they learned nothing.
They didn't just attach them to her head they were surgically implanted into her brain. She was the only one either. She was the only one that survived long enough or that would cooperate. They killed her two months after she came back from space to dissect her. Another cat called Scoubidou got an infection after having the electrodes put in her brain. At least nine other cats were killed in this experiment.
I mean if the autopsy revealed nothing unusual they very much so did learn something. Learning "nothing" in science is still useful data. It sucks she died though =(
@@alexia3552 An autopsy was inevitable really, and as you say, that the flight had no effect on C-341 (her pre-press release name) is still useful data. The specific phrase they used was that they learned nothing of value. You'd have thought, though, after the menagerie of animals that we had sent into space to die for science already that we would've had all the data we needed. Cats, dogs, monkey and tortoises, you name it, we've most likely fired them into space in the name of science (and a fair chunk of PR for the countries involved).
@@septimus7524 It's funny how the communists called the Soviet union, when in reality there was no union. All the countries that were unfortunate enough to be located eastwards of the iron curtain were forced to belong to the commie bloc. And they just murdered the people who opposed them and installed puppet leaders and parties to control the land. You must've heard of the "5th column"? Communist tactics to take over a country with coup d'etat. (Which is exactly what the midget dictator wants to do in Ukraine now btw)
I've seen bits of that film used in various videos but never realized they were from a real record, not a B horror movie. You continue to educate me on some of the strangest topics.
I saw the film years ago and I'm glad you decided to cover it. I think this one gets written off as a "creepy pasta" all to often by casual viewers. Although unsettling it is one of those landmark studies that help save people from the consequences tragedy everyday.
The animal lover in me absolutely hates this, but this experiment was a catalyst towards perfecting operations like open-heart surgery. My dad had a heart attack over 10 years ago and having him go through heart surgery and coming out nearly perfectly fine shows us how far we’ve come in only a century and a quarter
@Nick K just imagine them or someone they love finding out they have some disease that can be treated using knowledge learned from animal experimentation, they'll change their tune in an instant
Agreed Completely, I love animals but my father just had open heart and was given a new heart valve from a cow and as much as the thought pains me that cow is damn sure living through my dad still technically. It reminds me to appreciate every bit of the animals that we eat as food, that help us learn ect. Even though I don’t consume every part I do pray for their souls to be at peace even if just for my own peace of mind.
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They said during the Victorian era that in England if you succeeded in raising somebody from the dead if they were a executed prisoner you could be held in contempt of court.
I feel like that's actually a pretty reasonable rule...I mean they really felt like they were close to successful reanimation, why not set some ground rules before they even become a problem
I remember doing a report on this in High School and this is how I got expulsion for a month. They thought I should research actual science instead of living my Reanimator dreams, even with sources provided school thought this whole thing was fake and fictional.
They don’t want to remember their horrible past. That should be obvious by now. They just want the rewards of it, if there is some, but not the horrible steps that got them there. Just let it be and be should next paper to write about nothing but the rainbows and unicorns and leave the ugly parts out.
@@Pulapaws IIRC, it's been years; 15 if I wanted to be exact on when I did the paper. I did boring paper on photosynthesis to make up for the "Overly violent" scientific paper.
That must have been incredibly and absolutely frustrating, sorry you had to deal with that. An important step in personal growth is experiencing and acknowledging that sometimes the adults in our lives (when we are minors) can be unreasonably wrong about things. It's always necessary to attempt a positive outlook on experiences, focus on how you can improve and learn from it. Focusing on a negative will only do harm to one's mental state. But still, that really must have sucked complete ass, sorry again. But, let's avert our eyes to the possibilities of our own personal futures! Huzzah!
I used to work at a preclinical lab for experimental drugs. The use of dogs as a test subject is not uncommon, and 98% of the dogs put on study are euthanized post study to examine the potential impact the drugs had on their organs. While we did our best to love the dogs as much as we could before their inevitable deaths, it was still tragic. This entire experiment doesn't seem to me like something we wouldn't do even today. There was one study that took place about 2 years ago, where the dogs were sedated, their lungs were punctured, they were given this mesh which went ontop of the holes, and the dogs were allowed to wake up to see if they were able to breathe on their own, promptly being euthanized soon after. I don't think the public knows just how many monkeys and dogs are killed today just for science and the pharmaceutical need to produce new drugs.
I’m a big fan of scientific advancements, but I’m a bigger fan of dogs. If humans were just able to accept the inevitability and unpredictability of death then we wouldn’t be torturing animals in this way. Like it’s sad when someone dies, but unless they’re someone who plays major importance in the future of our world just let them go.
@@evelynvslife you'd be surprised how many daily things only exist because of animal trials. You'd be surprised by the sheer volume of people that have been saved because of animal trials. Not just old people, people of all ages. Millions if not billions have been saved by just a handful of animals. Even animals have been saved because of animals trials! Why is it not worth a handful of animal lives to potentially save hundreds of millions of people and animals? Especially since that handful of animals would've likely been put down anyways?
@@batfurs3001 I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m well aware of how many things in the world exist from animal trials. And I just don’t think human life is worth it. I don’t think cosmetics are worth it and I don’t think medicine is worth it. That’s simply my opinion. Of course I have my biases towards certain animals and am more likely to be okay with testing on rats than on dogs, but I still don’t agree with it. I would much prefer test for human medical advancements be done on humans who in my opinion have forfeited their right to belong in society. That’s just my view on things. Edit: also my view on experiments on deceased animals is different. My issue with these experiments were the live victims.
@@evelynvslife if you think people should die naturally, then just never go to a hospital, or go see a doctor, neither take any medicine. Don't even take your parents to the hospital, don't take your children to the hospital, let them all die naturally. Go to some patient bed and say to their face that they should die naturally, go visit some patient's family and say to their faces that their beloved one should die naturally. Die, just as nature intended.
I did some electrical work at a facility that did preclinical trials on animals. Based on the operating rooms, animals, and no name on the building I had a pretty good idea what they did. My coworker flat out asked if they cut up animals and they just responded that "we do preclinical trials here.
Even though I felt uneasy watching this, the part that was the worst was the isolated head part. That isolated instance of the severed head section feels like a 9/10, but overall I feel like it's a 3/4 given its contribution to advancements to biology.
The severed head thing was a 10/10. There was no reason for it. It didn't provide any useful medical data-- we don't keep severed heads alive. Even if it were possible to glean useful medical data from it, that does not somehow mitigate its unethicality. It's possible for something to be medically useful and unethical. The Nazi data around hypothermia comes to mind. Such atrocities will, God willing, never be repeated again and thus remain the sole source of first-hand data on human physiology when exposed to certain (usually horrific) conditions, and yes, it has been used to ultimately save lives. The experiments were still an easy 10. Pure evil.
Having had two open heart surgeries by the age of 40 (last one February 4th 2022) and possibly looking at another in the not too distant future, I am eternally grateful for experiments like this, as brutal as they may be. They are an essential part in the advancement of modern medicine. I owe my life to a heart lung machine. I’ve often thought of all the scientists and extremely smart minds behind the technology used in modern medicine. And I thank them. On a side note… about two days or so after coming off bypass, I cried and cried and cried, cried really hard, for like a whole day. It was the most soothing and fulfilling crying I think I’ve ever done in my adult life. I’m not even sure what I was crying about. Nothing and every thing all at once. It happened to me both heart surgeries. One of my nurses told me it was fairly common. So ya, I thought that was interesting.
Well... Consider the very common description of "depressed" or "sadness" emotions being physically manifest as "heart sank" or "heart breaking". AND at least in my experience of dower emotional states, there is a certain pressure or weight of sorts felt in the center-chest... sometimes even so much pressure it can be a chore to inhale, not terribly different from just the tail end of a hard coughing "fit" or even an asthma attack, just before I can get that first real lung full of useful air... Similarly, one of the (relatively newer) questions almost anywhere they're likely to listen to your heart or check your pulse and blood pressure is about "feelings of impending doom"... Research is developing more and better popular terms for describing heart-related conditions, though they often sound or read like an emotional exam, rather than anything medically physical... We can conclude then, at least in theory, the psychological symptomology very much CAN have a verified physical effect on a patient... Being depressed or even just saddened CAN cause chest tightness or pressure in sensation, even as a purely psycho-somatic consequence... AND there very really ARE sensations in the patient from physical maladies directly researchable and verifiable by ECG or Scan/etc... Then it's simply NOT outside the realm of possibility that after something as obviously traumatic to the body as having your chest carved open, sternum and/or ribs split, and your heart manipulated so unnaturally... etc... PROBABLY CAN have a decided effect directly upon your emotional state. The brain may simply not be able to process all the sensations of open heart surgery and aftermath any other way... since "normally" these are the sensations associated with truly, remarkably sad or depressing levels of emotional context... and you'll cry. ...maybe your mind will find something to "manifest" the crying about... AND maybe it's just going to decide you're crying and not even bother with some reasoning for it... no trigger or "inciting incident" as such... AND that can vary from episode to episode and patient to patient... until you can "get used to it" as a new context (infirm but healing... as such) crying is normal and relatively common... if not a majority of experience in such cases. Might not be much... BUT I rather like puzzling about and finding some explanation. It might help to know a bit of "the why of it", even if we can't really completely explain everything. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 hey thanks for this. Very, VERY interesting to think about. Makes a lot of sense to me. And I find myself still quite emotional, and I’m over 10 weeks post OP. But it’s not a bad thing. I actually feel much more in touch with my emotions than I ever have been. That may be due to other aspects of my life. But either way, it’s quite alright. Again, 🙏🏻☺️✌️
@@nikkitronic80 You're ALWAYS welcome. Being in control of one's emotional state doesn't necessarily mean resisting emotions or necessarily not feeling them... If you've found it clear to connect better with your emotions through this, all the more power to you... I was just pointing out how bio-chemistry is a powerful thing... and it can really help to know something of what's going on (at least in the beginning)... It can be kind of scary or disturbing to those who just don't know or don't "get it"... AND just because the bio-chem' had it's effect on you to start with... all relatively easily researched and eventually accounted for... That doesn't mean you can't continue to grow and explore just feeling and processing the emotions later on WITHOUT the chemical disturbances or imbalances. It's just natural to feel emotions and be emotional from time to time as part of the human experience... Worth pointing out that no emotion is particularly good or evil. Some are more pleasant than others, but they ALL serve useful functions when we learn to work with them in a healthy way. Hopefully, that has some to do with those "other life aspects" and your continued healthy processing with life, emotions, and everything. Good for you! (I actually MEAN that.) A lot of people get through that "crying phase" and go right back to their toxic anti-emotions blather... turning it into stress... and end up doing themselves more harm than good. ;o)
They really thought people would see a film with disembodied dog heads connected to a machine and the response would be "these Soviets are pretty alright after all!"
I work in a Blood Bank in a hospital, where perfusion is so commonplace, because of open heart surgeries. Sporadically, we end up with ECMO patients (someone on a heart-lung machine for longer than the time it takes to have an operation), and they go through platelets like it's their job. A small price to pay to save a life, so we just adjust accordingly. It's funny, though, to hear about them cooling a body to induce cardiac arrest. It's basically what happens in modern day open heart surgeries, and the cold is maintained by the perfusionist throughout the procedure, until such time as the heart is to be restarted; at which time the blood is warmed up as it is pumped through the body. It's wild, if you've never seen it (and we, in the Blood Bank need to check these people ahead of time for certain blood-related cold antibodies, just to make sure they'll be fine in surgery - because regular blood thinners can't help this kind of clotting). I watched this video with equal parts fascination and horror. Well done.
Yup on the fence...ethics vs progress. I hate causing pain and I hate death even more, but I also acknowledge that historically horrible unethical experiments also have rise to procedures that saved millions of lives. Example proof of concept to a bypass machine among others.
@@gustavedelior3683 yeah, we want to hate it because all those poor dogs! But this proved to be a starting point in a commonplace surgical technique that's saved thousands of lives. It seems like there's a bad origin story to so much of what we take for granted these days. I mean, think about that dog's mammary artery letting go and I think about the unregulated blood pressure (one size does NOT fit all, in the myriad size range of dogs) versus the non-functionality of the dog's platelets due to the blood thinners. Of course, how would they know that this would be the consequence of their actions? You experiment, and you learn. It's just a shame that the dogs had to pay for it.
@@TheGelasiaBlythe I know a guy just had bilateral lung transplants. He was on ECMO for over a month while waiting. I'm glad he survived (so far), but geeze, what's the limit on ECMO? I felt like the Drs where guinea pigging this guy. *were*
I like that name better anyway! I never would have watched this channel based on the name. Only started bc people on another channel I watch (Fascinating Horror) recommended it.
On the one hand, torturing and killing lots of dogs is horrible. The other hand, it was the first of many steps toward the modern heart and lung machine that we use today - a machine that, if I'm not mistaken, is sometimes used by high-priced vets, which means dogs are having their lives saved. Science can be rather dark. It's a difficult pill to swallow. The real question is... does the end justify the means?
in many cases one could say yes the ends justify the means because at the end of it. you have what you get today. Your loved one has a heart attack? suddenly all that dark bad science is the thing that saves their life and the lives of millions and possibly even yours in the future. Suddenly you have a mind changed that agrees wit this sort of science. To be honest if this sort of stuff was widely accepted everywhere our methods on life saving would be up there with star trek or altered carbon where people would have near biological immortallity as cloned body parts and medical nanobots sustian a persons body from aging disease and other illinesses and even severe injuries. death would become an extreme case where someone would have to really want to kill you or you'd have to crash a car and burn in a 200 mph vs train impact or crash a plane into a billion pieces
A lot of our experimenting is now being done on mice and rats, which are very smart and very much so emotional, feeling creatures. It's just easier to swallow because they're "pest" creatures I guess, also I suspect the fact that they're physically very small makes it easier to let go of it emotionally. I don't wish for them to stop their testing, either, like you said, science has a dark side but it is necessary. I've personally benefited from a lot of psychiatric medicines that couldn't have been developed without animal testing.
In medical research like this I think the end almost always justify the means. It’s the only way for us to advance as a species and all we can do is thank the animals for their contribution and conduct the experiments as respectfully as possible.
Torturing dogs is certainly bad, but I don't know about killing them, sometimes the population of strays need to be culled. So I think strays could make a great source of subject's for scientific experiment's
@@Teddingtin Decapitating a dog and keeping its head alive just to see if it still has the will to eat scraps of cheese, or react to a hammer being slammed down in front of its face is about as far from respectful as is possible. So no, the end does not "almost always" justify the means-- and it's certainly not the only way to progress.
My mother was a nurse and used to operate one of these machines here in Australia we have about 5 or 6 full albums all photos that she took why in the operating theatre during open-heart surgery
I remember reading some years ago about this concept, that is, keeping a head alive using mechanical means, in CS Lewis' novel That Hideous Strength. In the book, a human head is manipulated using various pumps and such to give the appearance of being disembodied and alive. Being a mechanic on hydraulics now, I reflect on how simple it might be to do horrific things if you approach them through only cold "science." Great video!
Good morning! I am from Argentina and i was wondering if you could make a video on the RA-2 Reactor accident, since it's a criticality event you haven't covered yet and its in the level 4 of the INES scale. Might be interesting, anyways, have a good day.
@@Issar137 Making a suggestion in the comments brings new ideas to the producer of the video, thus it can help him to make new content. Go try to be a douche elsewhere.
Haven't checked in in a while, and I have to note a dramatic improvement in your content! Not that it was bad before that, but the directing, editing and narration got much more dynamic and captivating. Fascinating as always, keep it up!
The dog eating cheese indicating it's "alive" seems like a stretch. I wonder if it occurred in a "standard" cheese eating timeframe, or if it eventually moved down the esophagus through random muscle movement/forced respiration, in a way a dog would never actually eat cheese in the traditional sense
@@mariapower9979 It would just get stuck in the esophagus as there would be no connection to the digestive tract . Im a nurse and at times there are patients with very severe GI cancers to where the GI tract must be surgically disconnected . Those patients can have absolutely nothing by mouth and must be fed intravenously . Also I'd argue the risk of choking would be extremely high . If anything , MAYBE the dog could perform the action of chewing - but beyond that it's definitely a stretch !
I discovered these films a few years back, truly difficult watching. I remember one of the things that jumped out at me was the wee doggie hospital beds they used, which seems a bit incongruous, considering what they just did to the dogs.
Your short documentaries are so good you're making me crave longer documentaries! But for real you wrap up the information in a fairly short time super well. Nice job!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't brain damage begin after only a few minutes without oxygen? I thought it was significantly less than 10 minutes.
Good question. I was thinking the same thing. A quick search with google came up with this: Time is very important when an unconscious person is not breathing. Permanent brain damage begins after only 4 minutes without oxygen, and death can occur as soon as 4 to 6 minutes later. I know it refers to people but other animals shouldn't be that different maybe?
@@misterflibble6601 Maybe they chilled sone of the dogs down? That would stretch the time considerably, especially as people have been able to be revived even after having spent an hour in icy water. They will chill a person down in some operations, as the colder temperature seems to considerably lower the brain's need for oxygen.
I was told 3-5min but if you are frozen it's different. Like if you freeze to death and then you are brought back to life one woman froze in a snowbank walking to her friends or her house or soemthing she died like 20 feet from her house or her friend's house and they didn't find her until next day, thawed her out and she was fine.
@@misterflibble6601 - You are absolutely correct. Human brain cells begin to die after approx 4 or 5 minutes of oxygen deprivation. It's not an instantaneous process and brain death does not occur immediately so it is possible to restart the heart and keep it beating in an ICU for hours or days, even (rarely) weeks after cardiac function has been restored. But the damage is done and part or all of the brain will die from the primary effects of oxygen deprivation - cell death. The secondary damage begins to occur 24 - 72 hours following the event and includes generalized swelling of the brain and impairment of blood circulation to the brain as a result and further cell death, among many other effects. It is a complex topic as is anything regarding brain injury.
Yes I wonder the same thing. If cooling them down enough, I can see it, as others have said. But the other methods of stopping the heart don't make sense if there was much time in between.
Veterinarian here: I have no doubt that the part of the film with the dog head was faked (can't comment on whether or not the experiments worked irl). There's no way that the head could move like that without the neck muscles being connected to the sternum and spine. Where did the saliva etc that the dog swallow go if the esophagus is severed? It's clearly nonsense, and I'm sure the real reflexes that they saw (if they were able to demonstrate it at all) were much less impressive. I'm also not buying the whole "being alive and well after 10-15 minutes of being dead" thing, as anoxia to the brain for just a few minutes will pretty much always cause visible and irreparable damage. Having done a few resuscitations myself (most of them unsuccessful despite the most advanced equipment and drugs), I can categorically say that it is not as simple as just re-establishing circulation. I call BS on these experiments to a large extent.
@@carolinehoward180 Just because they faked it for the video doesn't mean they didn't try it at some point prior. The fact that they even thought it up in the first place makes me think that they _definitely_ tried. Monsters.
As an emergency physician I concur, although my experience in resuscitation is limited to humans (and the one iguana I successfully resuscitated as a child, only to have the patient die of sepsis two days later despite injections of antibiotics).
I'll be honest, I was scared ot click on this video and there are certainly disturbing moments. But I do want to say great job on all the concise info educating the viewer. I know there are a lot of undisclosed "dark science experiments", and I thought this was quite eye opening. Looking forward to checking out you other videos!
The one thing I don't understand about the experiments is the amount of time they have the test subjects (dogs) under cardiac arrest before bringing them back. I thought that any amount of time without blood flow to the brain causes irreversible brain damage, so even if they did revive them, wouldn't they have brain damage from being without oxygen for so long?
I could definitely be wrong about this, but I think that a very minimal amount of time without blood flow to the brain can leave a being still more or less functional, at least from the physical perspective. I need to look into it further, but my guess here is that 10-15 minutes would be the longest before the head wouldn't be much or at all responsive upon resuscitation. There are different degrees of brain damage in general, at the very least. So I imagine the time frame has something to do with that fact.
I couldn't watch some of it, so I just listened. I'm aware of the experiments and the subjects and how they did propel medicine in a new direction to save lives. Good one Plainly 👍
I didn’t watch some of it either. I don’t like torture. Animals are sentient beings. I don’t know how people dreaming up and carrying out such experiments sleep at night. But I do love this channel and understand it’s important to revisit this kind of history.
We never stopped doing these experiments. Just last week we had yet another breakthrough from Yale where they were able to partly restore functionality in pig brains that had been dead for hours. Still havent brought anything truly back to life, yet. But it's only a matter of time.
in the future from now, when the number of humans has been sufficiently reduced, death row inmates will be executed and then "revived", if you can call it that.
Would you please talk about the CCP’s corpse museum? This seems like the perfect (disturbing) segue. I was between universities back then and when so friends showed me the brochure and invited me I told them there’s something evil about it. They told me I was wrong and that these people have willingly donated their bodies to science. It turned out they didn’t, they were all “political prisoners”, either Uighurs or Falun Dafa practitioners.
I have heard many allegations against Bodies: The Exhibition claiming they use executed Chinese prisoners. The exhibition denies this, but can’t (or won’t) verify the bodies’ sources. However the totally unaffiliated show Body Worlds says that its bodies come from willing donors in Europe and North America.
Interesting topic! Small little correction; roller pumps are used as to put the blood cells under less mechanical stress and thus lessen the likelihood of them getting shredded, as they would in an impeller pump.
It's definitely interesting in terms of the science involved and it definitely paved the way for modern treatments, theories will only get you so far and sometimes you need actual experimentation in order to advance those fields
You certainly lived up to your channel's name in this episode! At some point, I might be able to work up the courage to view that footage that you thankfully replaced with animations...But not tonight. Thanks for the knowledge!
I love your videos, otherwise stories like these would be lost in time forever! As with all history, good or bad, it's important to remember it so we learn from the good bits, and avoid repeating the bad bits.
Even though it was gruesome, it was an important and essential part for the progress of modern medicine. I would rate it as 3 as even though it was killing dogs, it wasn't senseless murder and the results of the experiments changed the world for the better.
Dogs and humans have the same level of emotion it's just our feelings are precived as "more valuable." The terror would likely be equal to a dog's, especially when you see you are missing a body
@@ianlackey237 Maybe a person would but a dog probably wouldn’t. Not to mention the fact that the dogs would most likely be really out of it for the short time they were conscious.
I view dogs similarly to how I view children so thinking of these people decapitating dogs (of all animals) and then playing with their severed heads is horrific and its hard for me to see pass this.
A heart/lung machine has been in use for many years. These experiments, though crude and brutal, were important in the development. While they may in fact be propaganda, someone carried on the work. 100 dead dogs to save one person? Moral Dilemma.
The roller pump has a name, peristaltic pump. You probably know this, and you decided to say roller pump for simplification. Great content never miss an edition John, good work.
Y'all need to ask yourselves: If he'd used ANY other animal than dogs, would you still feel so strongly? I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that, no, you would not.
Yeah i wouldnt. not because i dont respect other animals like pigs, cows, horses and other farm animal (in fact, i appreciate them because i spent time on the countryside) but because dogs, cats and other domestic animals have been standarized in my media as another member of the family, the same way other people got inculcated that farm animals are domestic, or that dogs are just a disposable being (as we can see in here)
Of course not. Humans have been keeping dogs as personal companions for at least the last 30,000 years. Over that time, we've developed an instinctual forbearance toward them that we really only show to other members of our own species (not that it has always amounted to much, for either dogs _or_ other members of our species). Though they may not recognize it for what it is, many people reckon dogs in much the same way that they reckon small children. How often do you hear someone talking to their dog in "baby speak"? Even a monster like Hitler was said to use this same type of tonality with his dogs. This is instinctual behavior, not coincidence. So it's really no surprise that people would react much more poorly to the sight and sound of dogs being tortured than some other animal. That said, there isn't a single animal on Earth that I would want these experiments to be done on. Everything about these experiments were so rudimentary that they were medically useless almost as soon as they were published-- and that's not even getting into the myriad of obvious fabrications that they tried to pass along as fact.
I though Frankenstein was literally about a mad scientist reanimating a monster made of dead humans, based on that one dude who figured out if you applied electric current to dead bodies they'd start to twitch.
@@oatmealman1586 In the book, in chapter 4 Dr. Frankenstein talks about robbing graves in the context of trying to understand what causes things to be alive - but always refers to his creation itself in terms of bringing the inanimate to life, not restoring life to the deceased. He also mentions being in awe of lightning and wanting to harness its power, and compares his work to alchemists' search for the philosopher's stone and to stories of "raising of ghosts or devils" - but the exact nature of the monster and how it's animated are deliberately ambiguous. There is one brief mention of it as a corpse immediately after it's animated, but "corpse" literally means "body", and in context that Frankenstein expressing horror at his own achievement, and the author projecting her experience having gone through a stillbirth. There's just enough in the text to interpret it either way. Again, it's deliberately ambiguous.
The experiments were both ethical and legitimate science. Our moral dilemma arises from our strong roots in the human-canine relationship - a bond typically lacking in mice, rats, and similar lab subjects. While I am thoroughly repulsed by the use of dogs in his experiments, I find nothing to fault him over. He might have been eclipsed by others, but he was truly groundbreaking in his foundational theories.
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Stories like these always remind me that you can't judge the actions of others, especially during a completely different period of time, based on your own moral or ethical convictions. This was during a time that animals were not believed to have the mental awareness that we accept they have today. As such, there was no concern for the mental stresses we would associate with such an experience. So, is it truly an evil, immoral, unethical experiment with no regard for the animals well being? Or an attempt to further our understanding of the mammalian circulatory system using the best medical practices of the time?
Tja, problem is we do worse things against dogs, cats, monkeys and other animals every day now in 2022. Useless animal experiments controlled not by Sovjet propaganda, but by big corporations which lobby for cheap animal experiments instead of the way more fitting and better human technical models which are available both as actual synthetic models as well as simulations. The things we do against dogs and monkeys nowadays are so insanely cruel it makes these beheadings seem like a walk in the park. Also staff of these labs treat animals as if they themselves are complete psychopats getting off hurting them - the amount of simple and pure mistreatment like kicking, hitting, shaking, prodding, inducing unneccessary pain in completely defenseless animals being seen in undercover footage is nothing less or completely revolting. I have a PhD in physics but there is nothing fascinating about animal testing. It’s pure sadism and a result of economic growth.
I feel like this was not an evil study. While it was brutal and disgusting, without the deaths of these animals, millions would die. Science requires sacrifice.
@@oatmealman1586 why would millions die? What is it that they discovered, in your view? They literally did not discover anything new, the whole thing was for nothing.
@@Notaravisen this set the stage for modern life support as well as surgeries such as open heart surgeries. I don't think it takes a genius to understand how those have save millions.
Ethical scale...I'd give it a 6.5, it's unethical but life saving equipment was developed in part to inspiration and proof of concept of this contraption.
As a nurse who has worked 25 yrs in dialysis and therapeutic apheresis where nothing would be possible without the abilty to achive and maintain extracorporeal circulation...this video was a interesting look into the fundamental ground work into what makes it even possable.
Some of these I don't agree with the ethics rating on but these are definitely harder to relax. That said, would we know what we do if these types of things didn't take place? It is what it is.
"That said, would we know what we do if these types of things didn't take place?" Know what, exactly? That it's possible to externally oxygenate blood, keep it at a steady temperature, and pump it at a rate comparable to that of the cardiac muscle without excess clotting? Yes, we would; these things are trivial to measure. Or that it's possible to put a severed head on life support and get a reaction out of it by slamming a hammer down in front of its face? No, we wouldn't, and I would've preferred it that way.
god this just makes me want to cry. I’ve always had a lower empathy level for humans compared to animals (probably some part of a mental illness, I truly don’t know) so this…this really hurt. but the part that gets me is that this actually helped people in the long run. in a (probably selfish and cruelly) way, im mad that it did end up being helpful- just because it gave the green light to other experiments using animals. I can’t even really rate this on the ethics scale because the whole thing kinda angers/upsets me? i get that it can truly be helpful but something about just…keeping the head alive, making it react to different things, all to take it off of the machine later and let it. yknow. I’ve seen tons of graphic stuff but this just…ow.
There are plenty of good reasons to feel more empathetic toward animals than humans. Not the least of which, sadly, is the dichotomy of behavior shown between the two in this very video.
I've never understood why animal lives are seen as less important than human. What criteria decides? Why is higher intelligence seen as more deserving of life? Do we really believe animals don't feel pain or love as much as us? Just my opinion, it's no more valid than anyone else's. If someone accepts that reincarnation might be true they might think these experiments are wrong. Do not fear death but accept that your actions towards other souls may affect your own destiny in the next life.
I disagree with you. It's unfortunate to have animals for experiments of course, but we wouldn't be able to save humans as well as animals if these weren't done back in the day. Sometimes ethics and logic conflict each other. But I believe it's a lot better that it helped our medical development than it being done in vain.
seeing how this was one of the few ways they actually could test this, it still leaves me so unsettled. so many programs, procedures, treatments, and surgeries came from things like this. i cant say im ungrateful for these developments, i just wish it wasnt so... incredibly dark.
Know it was for a good cause, but this one broke my heart (no pun intended) when I first became aware of it a few years ago, and made me physically ill on the first viewing. The documentation of the experiments is what really ups the nightmare fuel, as in the notes about how they prepared the severed heads, it mentions they had to do things like remove the dog's vocal chords to make room for the tubing. I can imagine no greater horror than waking up to find your body gone and, you can't even howl out in terror because your voice was literally cut out. For that reason, I'm going with a hard 8 on the ethical scale. Arguably the science led to saving life down the road, and it was intended to do so from the start and not for mad genius giggles, so that's what's saving the scale from going all the way over into evil territory for me.
It was likely faked in the video. That said, the fact that they thought it up in the first place means they probably tried it at some point. Some of the experiments, while completely unethical, had at least _some_ medical value. The decapitated head thing has _no_ medical value. By the time our medical technology becomes sophisticated enough to even _hypothetically_ keep a severed head alive (there's a lot more at play than just circulation), it's almost certain that direct experimentation will have long-since become obsolete in favor of highly accurate quantum simulation of the _human_ body (which is orders of magnitude more useful than trying to correlate data from animals over to humans).
I have loved your recent videos!! I am a nuclear engineer (that’s how I found you) and have been subscribed for atleast a year. I really like these dark side of science videos! Keep up the good work!
I‘d give this a 3 at worst. I mean, yes, killing dogs is unethical, as they neither agree on being experimented on, nor do they have a chance to fully grasp their horrific situation. But honestly, dead dogs, even in high number, perish to the amounts of possible lives saved, if the machiene would‘ve been fully developed. He also didn‘t test his theories on still living humans or undesirables like P.O.W.s, but only on patients of his, who had already died.
@@corynasf9749 any medicine? Nah. That’s silly. That would endanger others. And no surgery? Not all surgeries have resulted from the abuse of animals. They didn’t need to torture any puppies to know how to remove my two wisdom teeth.
@@evelynvslife guess how any medicine or surgery is approved for clinical use? it's through animal testing. maybe it's not teh hecking doggos or whatever animals you have emotional responses to but it's from testing & hurting animals
Well there's the other issue of completely desanguinating a living organism: re-introducing blood is going to cause complications, especially if there are any air bubbles which could cause a stroke. Additionally, blood clotting was a problem with early machines, also increasing the risk of a clot. I don't see how it would have been possible to have re-introduced blood without bubbles or clots back then, assuming that this was actually real.
I agree with your rating, if only because of the propaganda being potentially built into it. These were important discoveries. But I have a sneaky suspicion there will be many, many people putting it at a 9 or 10. Also I can't be the only one who hangs around once the credits roll specifically for the weather report at the end!
There's important science being done in these experiments. They may have questionable consequences for the dogs, but many people has had open heart surgery, and that would never be possible without experiments such as these.
This episode demonstrates the really quite impressive tone-deafness of much Soviet propaganda. Did they really think they were going to win hearts in the West by saying “Hey we can cut dogs’ heads off AND keep them alive” and then filming it?
it's rather tone deaf relative to the broad and yes, uneducated masses, but hyperbolically speaking doctors would masturbate to the thought of being able to completely circumvent a patients failing body. Of course, this also operates on the supposition that it worked to a degree anywhere close to as effective as the propaganda would have you believe.
I have seen a lot of messed up things in my 30+ years on this planet, but I wouldn't consider myself an overly emotional Indvidual. I rarely if ever cry anymore. I guess at some point you just become desensitized to it all. But that imagery at 10:27 with the severed dog head appearing frightened by the hammer strikes shook me to my core. There truly is no limit to the amount of evil and depravity we can imagine, nor the atrocities we humans will commit in the name of "progress."
Any more dark side of Science suggestions let me know!
maybe andrew wakefield study, its not dark per se but it possibly could apply due to how absolute wrong in regards to procedure and profession of who ran it and what it was for(a court case so there goes not being bias), plus he even incorrectly gave a non-autistic kid the ASD diagnosis. wouldn't mind that being under consideration at the very least. if its not covered, that's okay its not as dark as these other dark side of science videos.
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Have you read Big Farms Make Big Flu by Rob Wallace? It covers some very grim science indeed.
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You could do a piece about Thomas Dent Mutter and the "mutter flap" skin graphing technique that is still used today. If you haven't already of course.
You should do the Emma Eckstein case as it is one of the most morally paradoxical experiments I have ever read as it involves a doctor voluntarily disfigured his patient to try to cure a mental illness.
Also it involves Sigmund Freud (The founder of Psychoanalysis and probably the most famous shrink of all time)
Since science is an agreed method on how to go about determining the properties of reality (like: gathering data; trying to disprove one's own thesis; peer review etc)., without any _'sides"_ to it whatsoever, the question about what should or shouldn't be allowed in the pursuit of scientific knowledge, is a _moral_ one and has nothing to do with the method itself, let alone that there is a _Dark Side_ to it. To say that there is, is like calling it _"The Dark Side of Hammers"_ if the tool, invented to drive nails into wood was used as a murder weapon.
These experiments have me so conflicted. They’re barbaric, but they also laid the groundwork for modern-day perfusion therapies. Having had 3 open-heart surgeries, including a transplant, I literally owe my life to heart-lung perfusion.
So in other words the innocent had to die that you might live.
As with everyone walking the Earth today. We should all give thanks to those who laid down their lives before us, to pave the way so that we may know life as we know it today. Whether it be the result of War, or being the first patient to consent to be in a groundbreaking medical procedure, or suffering as a martyr, that after the act of martyrdom so many may worship as they choose. It's been like that since we began walking upright and became intelligent, those before us made great sacrifices so those who are next in line may hopefully have it better than they. And so on and so forth. Until the end of time...
@@davidthedeaf what do you think war is mate?
It didn’t require these brutal experiments. These were for the novelty and propaganda. Others were working on machines to keep patients alive without decapitation.
@@davidthedeaf No, these experiments were performed long before I was alive, and I’m not condoning them in any way, just saying I feel bad for even indirectly profiting from them.
Felicette, the first cat in space.
Strapped down with electrodes attached to her head, subjected to far higher G forces than the Apolo astronoughts yet she survived, only to later be killed for an autopsy in which they learned nothing.
That’s brutal
A shame really. That cat could be called a true hero
They didn't just attach them to her head they were surgically implanted into her brain. She was the only one either. She was the only one that survived long enough or that would cooperate. They killed her two months after she came back from space to dissect her. Another cat called Scoubidou got an infection after having the electrodes put in her brain. At least nine other cats were killed in this experiment.
I mean if the autopsy revealed nothing unusual they very much so did learn something. Learning "nothing" in science is still useful data. It sucks she died though =(
@@alexia3552 An autopsy was inevitable really, and as you say, that the flight had no effect on C-341 (her pre-press release name) is still useful data.
The specific phrase they used was that they learned nothing of value.
You'd have thought, though, after the menagerie of animals that we had sent into space to die for science already that we would've had all the data we needed.
Cats, dogs, monkey and tortoises, you name it, we've most likely fired them into space in the name of science (and a fair chunk of PR for the countries involved).
I really enjoyed how you summed up Russia in 1917 as having "some internal issues and regicide."
Pretty much the Soviet Union too
how can something be so accurate and vague at the same time?
@@septimus7524 The USSR, as bad as they were, didn't practice regicide.
@@Mr._E ooooh yes they did.. Dont give them too much credit now, the Soviet Union was in reality no better than Nazi Germany, end of
@@septimus7524 It's funny how the communists called the Soviet union, when in reality there was no union. All the countries that were unfortunate enough to be located eastwards of the iron curtain were forced to belong to the commie bloc. And they just murdered the people who opposed them and installed puppet leaders and parties to control the land. You must've heard of the "5th column"? Communist tactics to take over a country with coup d'etat.
(Which is exactly what the midget dictator wants to do in Ukraine now btw)
I've seen bits of that film used in various videos but never realized they were from a real record, not a B horror movie. You continue to educate me on some of the strangest topics.
Thank you!
Well, maybe a little of both, from the sounds of it.
I saw the film years ago and I'm glad you decided to cover it. I think this one gets written off as a "creepy pasta" all to often by casual viewers. Although unsettling it is one of those landmark studies that help save people from the consequences tragedy everyday.
The animal lover in me absolutely hates this, but this experiment was a catalyst towards perfecting operations like open-heart surgery. My dad had a heart attack over 10 years ago and having him go through heart surgery and coming out nearly perfectly fine shows us how far we’ve come in only a century and a quarter
@Nick K just imagine them or someone they love finding out they have some disease that can be treated using knowledge learned from animal experimentation, they'll change their tune in an instant
At least this experiment had a purpose. The one where the guy made monkeys depressed was just sadistic.
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Agreed Completely, I love animals but my father just had open heart and was given a new heart valve from a cow and as much as the thought pains me that cow is damn sure living through my dad still technically. It reminds me to appreciate every bit of the animals that we eat as food, that help us learn ect. Even though I don’t consume every part I do pray for their souls to be at peace even if just for my own peace of mind.
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They said during the Victorian era that in England if you succeeded in raising somebody from the dead if they were a executed prisoner you could be held in contempt of court.
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I feel like that's actually a pretty reasonable rule...I mean they really felt like they were close to successful reanimation, why not set some ground rules before they even become a problem
I remember doing a report on this in High School and this is how I got expulsion for a month. They thought I should research actual science instead of living my Reanimator dreams, even with sources provided school thought this whole thing was fake and fictional.
Wow that is terrible
They don’t want to remember their horrible past. That should be obvious by now. They just want the rewards of it, if there is some, but not the horrible steps that got them there. Just let it be and be should next paper to write about nothing but the rainbows and unicorns and leave the ugly parts out.
@@Pulapaws IIRC, it's been years; 15 if I wanted to be exact on when I did the paper. I did boring paper on photosynthesis to make up for the "Overly violent" scientific paper.
That must have been incredibly and absolutely frustrating, sorry you had to deal with that.
An important step in personal growth is experiencing and acknowledging that sometimes the adults in our lives (when we are minors) can be unreasonably wrong about things.
It's always necessary to attempt a positive outlook on experiences, focus on how you can improve and learn from it. Focusing on a negative will only do harm to one's mental state.
But still, that really must have sucked complete ass, sorry again. But, let's avert our eyes to the possibilities of our own personal futures! Huzzah!
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Thank you!
I used to work at a preclinical lab for experimental drugs. The use of dogs as a test subject is not uncommon, and 98% of the dogs put on study are euthanized post study to examine the potential impact the drugs had on their organs. While we did our best to love the dogs as much as we could before their inevitable deaths, it was still tragic. This entire experiment doesn't seem to me like something we wouldn't do even today. There was one study that took place about 2 years ago, where the dogs were sedated, their lungs were punctured, they were given this mesh which went ontop of the holes, and the dogs were allowed to wake up to see if they were able to breathe on their own, promptly being euthanized soon after. I don't think the public knows just how many monkeys and dogs are killed today just for science and the pharmaceutical need to produce new drugs.
I’m a big fan of scientific advancements, but I’m a bigger fan of dogs. If humans were just able to accept the inevitability and unpredictability of death then we wouldn’t be torturing animals in this way. Like it’s sad when someone dies, but unless they’re someone who plays major importance in the future of our world just let them go.
@@evelynvslife you'd be surprised how many daily things only exist because of animal trials. You'd be surprised by the sheer volume of people that have been saved because of animal trials. Not just old people, people of all ages. Millions if not billions have been saved by just a handful of animals. Even animals have been saved because of animals trials! Why is it not worth a handful of animal lives to potentially save hundreds of millions of people and animals? Especially since that handful of animals would've likely been put down anyways?
@@batfurs3001 I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m well aware of how many things in the world exist from animal trials. And I just don’t think human life is worth it. I don’t think cosmetics are worth it and I don’t think medicine is worth it. That’s simply my opinion. Of course I have my biases towards certain animals and am more likely to be okay with testing on rats than on dogs, but I still don’t agree with it. I would much prefer test for human medical advancements be done on humans who in my opinion have forfeited their right to belong in society. That’s just my view on things.
Edit: also my view on experiments on deceased animals is different. My issue with these experiments were the live victims.
@@evelynvslife if you think people should die naturally, then just never go to a hospital, or go see a doctor, neither take any medicine. Don't even take your parents to the hospital, don't take your children to the hospital, let them all die naturally. Go to some patient bed and say to their face that they should die naturally, go visit some patient's family and say to their faces that their beloved one should die naturally.
Die, just as nature intended.
I did some electrical work at a facility that did preclinical trials on animals. Based on the operating rooms, animals, and no name on the building I had a pretty good idea what they did. My coworker flat out asked if they cut up animals and they just responded that "we do preclinical trials here.
I love that you have such polite mannerisms while you’re talking about some of the most horrific stuff. Love your work!
Thank you
How can you see his mannerisms when we only hear his voice?
Even though I felt uneasy watching this, the part that was the worst was the isolated head part. That isolated instance of the severed head section feels like a 9/10, but overall I feel like it's a 3/4 given its contribution to advancements to biology.
its a dog, it deserves to die.
A 3/4 is still a 7.5/10 though, so thats still pretty bad
@@chileo1 They may have meant "3 or 4" (sometimes written as 3/4, which doesn't work well in this context)
The severed head thing was a 10/10. There was no reason for it. It didn't provide any useful medical data-- we don't keep severed heads alive. Even if it were possible to glean useful medical data from it, that does not somehow mitigate its unethicality. It's possible for something to be medically useful and unethical. The Nazi data around hypothermia comes to mind. Such atrocities will, God willing, never be repeated again and thus remain the sole source of first-hand data on human physiology when exposed to certain (usually horrific) conditions, and yes, it has been used to ultimately save lives. The experiments were still an easy 10. Pure evil.
@@sasca854 dogs are pure evil. They deserve death. 0/10
Having had two open heart surgeries by the age of 40 (last one February 4th 2022) and possibly looking at another in the not too distant future, I am eternally grateful for experiments like this, as brutal as they may be. They are an essential part in the advancement of modern medicine. I owe my life to a heart lung machine. I’ve often thought of all the scientists and extremely smart minds behind the technology used in modern medicine. And I thank them.
On a side note… about two days or so after coming off bypass, I cried and cried and cried, cried really hard, for like a whole day. It was the most soothing and fulfilling crying I think I’ve ever done in my adult life. I’m not even sure what I was crying about. Nothing and every thing all at once. It happened to me both heart surgeries. One of my nurses told me it was fairly common. So ya, I thought that was interesting.
Good luck and health to you.
@@robertl6196 thank you so very much
Well... Consider the very common description of "depressed" or "sadness" emotions being physically manifest as "heart sank" or "heart breaking". AND at least in my experience of dower emotional states, there is a certain pressure or weight of sorts felt in the center-chest... sometimes even so much pressure it can be a chore to inhale, not terribly different from just the tail end of a hard coughing "fit" or even an asthma attack, just before I can get that first real lung full of useful air...
Similarly, one of the (relatively newer) questions almost anywhere they're likely to listen to your heart or check your pulse and blood pressure is about "feelings of impending doom"... Research is developing more and better popular terms for describing heart-related conditions, though they often sound or read like an emotional exam, rather than anything medically physical...
We can conclude then, at least in theory, the psychological symptomology very much CAN have a verified physical effect on a patient... Being depressed or even just saddened CAN cause chest tightness or pressure in sensation, even as a purely psycho-somatic consequence... AND there very really ARE sensations in the patient from physical maladies directly researchable and verifiable by ECG or Scan/etc... Then it's simply NOT outside the realm of possibility that after something as obviously traumatic to the body as having your chest carved open, sternum and/or ribs split, and your heart manipulated so unnaturally... etc... PROBABLY CAN have a decided effect directly upon your emotional state. The brain may simply not be able to process all the sensations of open heart surgery and aftermath any other way... since "normally" these are the sensations associated with truly, remarkably sad or depressing levels of emotional context... and you'll cry.
...maybe your mind will find something to "manifest" the crying about... AND maybe it's just going to decide you're crying and not even bother with some reasoning for it... no trigger or "inciting incident" as such... AND that can vary from episode to episode and patient to patient... until you can "get used to it" as a new context (infirm but healing... as such) crying is normal and relatively common... if not a majority of experience in such cases.
Might not be much... BUT I rather like puzzling about and finding some explanation. It might help to know a bit of "the why of it", even if we can't really completely explain everything. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 hey thanks for this. Very, VERY interesting to think about. Makes a lot of sense to me. And I find myself still quite emotional, and I’m over 10 weeks post OP. But it’s not a bad thing. I actually feel much more in touch with my emotions than I ever have been. That may be due to other aspects of my life. But either way, it’s quite alright. Again, 🙏🏻☺️✌️
@@nikkitronic80 You're ALWAYS welcome.
Being in control of one's emotional state doesn't necessarily mean resisting emotions or necessarily not feeling them... If you've found it clear to connect better with your emotions through this, all the more power to you...
I was just pointing out how bio-chemistry is a powerful thing... and it can really help to know something of what's going on (at least in the beginning)... It can be kind of scary or disturbing to those who just don't know or don't "get it"...
AND just because the bio-chem' had it's effect on you to start with... all relatively easily researched and eventually accounted for... That doesn't mean you can't continue to grow and explore just feeling and processing the emotions later on WITHOUT the chemical disturbances or imbalances. It's just natural to feel emotions and be emotional from time to time as part of the human experience...
Worth pointing out that no emotion is particularly good or evil. Some are more pleasant than others, but they ALL serve useful functions when we learn to work with them in a healthy way. Hopefully, that has some to do with those "other life aspects" and your continued healthy processing with life, emotions, and everything.
Good for you! (I actually MEAN that.) A lot of people get through that "crying phase" and go right back to their toxic anti-emotions blather... turning it into stress... and end up doing themselves more harm than good. ;o)
They really thought people would see a film with disembodied dog heads connected to a machine and the response would be "these Soviets are pretty alright after all!"
I work in a Blood Bank in a hospital, where perfusion is so commonplace, because of open heart surgeries. Sporadically, we end up with ECMO patients (someone on a heart-lung machine for longer than the time it takes to have an operation), and they go through platelets like it's their job. A small price to pay to save a life, so we just adjust accordingly. It's funny, though, to hear about them cooling a body to induce cardiac arrest. It's basically what happens in modern day open heart surgeries, and the cold is maintained by the perfusionist throughout the procedure, until such time as the heart is to be restarted; at which time the blood is warmed up as it is pumped through the body. It's wild, if you've never seen it (and we, in the Blood Bank need to check these people ahead of time for certain blood-related cold antibodies, just to make sure they'll be fine in surgery - because regular blood thinners can't help this kind of clotting). I watched this video with equal parts fascination and horror. Well done.
Smarty pants
@@BossQueen not particularly. I'd be a doctor if I were. Instead, I just make doctors and nurses look smart.
Yup on the fence...ethics vs progress. I hate causing pain and I hate death even more, but I also acknowledge that historically horrible unethical experiments also have rise to procedures that saved millions of lives. Example proof of concept to a bypass machine among others.
@@gustavedelior3683 yeah, we want to hate it because all those poor dogs! But this proved to be a starting point in a commonplace surgical technique that's saved thousands of lives. It seems like there's a bad origin story to so much of what we take for granted these days. I mean, think about that dog's mammary artery letting go and I think about the unregulated blood pressure (one size does NOT fit all, in the myriad size range of dogs) versus the non-functionality of the dog's platelets due to the blood thinners. Of course, how would they know that this would be the consequence of their actions? You experiment, and you learn. It's just a shame that the dogs had to pay for it.
@@TheGelasiaBlythe I know a guy just had bilateral lung transplants. He was on ECMO for over a month while waiting. I'm glad he survived (so far), but geeze, what's the limit on ECMO? I felt like the Drs where guinea pigging this guy.
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Plainly Difficult should just change his RUclips channel name to Plainly Horrific at this point
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At least the dark side of science videos should be renamed that.😅
I like that name better anyway! I never would have watched this channel based on the name. Only started bc people on another channel I watch (Fascinating Horror) recommended it.
On the one hand, torturing and killing lots of dogs is horrible.
The other hand, it was the first of many steps toward the modern heart and lung machine that we use today - a machine that, if I'm not mistaken, is sometimes used by high-priced vets, which means dogs are having their lives saved.
Science can be rather dark. It's a difficult pill to swallow. The real question is... does the end justify the means?
in many cases one could say yes the ends justify the means because at the end of it. you have what you get today. Your loved one has a heart attack? suddenly all that dark bad science is the thing that saves their life and the lives of millions and possibly even yours in the future. Suddenly you have a mind changed that agrees wit this sort of science. To be honest if this sort of stuff was widely accepted everywhere our methods on life saving would be up there with star trek or altered carbon where people would have near biological immortallity as cloned body parts and medical nanobots sustian a persons body from aging disease and other illinesses and even severe injuries. death would become an extreme case where someone would have to really want to kill you or you'd have to crash a car and burn in a 200 mph vs train impact or crash a plane into a billion pieces
A lot of our experimenting is now being done on mice and rats, which are very smart and very much so emotional, feeling creatures. It's just easier to swallow because they're "pest" creatures I guess, also I suspect the fact that they're physically very small makes it easier to let go of it emotionally. I don't wish for them to stop their testing, either, like you said, science has a dark side but it is necessary. I've personally benefited from a lot of psychiatric medicines that couldn't have been developed without animal testing.
In medical research like this I think the end almost always justify the means. It’s the only way for us to advance as a species and all we can do is thank the animals for their contribution and conduct the experiments as respectfully as possible.
Torturing dogs is certainly bad, but I don't know about killing them, sometimes the population of strays need to be culled. So I think strays could make a great source of subject's for scientific experiment's
@@Teddingtin Decapitating a dog and keeping its head alive just to see if it still has the will to eat scraps of cheese, or react to a hammer being slammed down in front of its face is about as far from respectful as is possible. So no, the end does not "almost always" justify the means-- and it's certainly not the only way to progress.
My mother was a nurse and used to operate one of these machines here in Australia we have about 5 or 6 full albums all photos that she took why in the operating theatre during open-heart surgery
Would love to see those photos!! Cool job!
Nurses are the best.
@@cliffbonds1472 if you have discord I can send a few across
@@falloutcosplay8802 actually?? I have discord
I remember reading some years ago about this concept, that is, keeping a head alive using mechanical means, in CS Lewis' novel That Hideous Strength. In the book, a human head is manipulated using various pumps and such to give the appearance of being disembodied and alive. Being a mechanic on hydraulics now, I reflect on how simple it might be to do horrific things if you approach them through only cold "science." Great video!
Good morning! I am from Argentina and i was wondering if you could make a video on the RA-2 Reactor accident, since it's a criticality event you haven't covered yet and its in the level 4 of the INES scale. Might be interesting, anyways, have a good day.
I want to do a video on it! Thanks for the suggestion
@@PlainlyDifficult glad i can help. Cheers!
@@mr.ramixhardbass3331 How exactly have you helped,you merely made a suggestion lol
@@Issar137 Making a suggestion in the comments brings new ideas to the producer of the video, thus it can help him to make new content. Go try to be a douche elsewhere.
Haven't checked in in a while, and I have to note a dramatic improvement in your content!
Not that it was bad before that, but the directing, editing and narration got much more dynamic and captivating.
Fascinating as always, keep it up!
Thank you!
The dog eating cheese indicating it's "alive" seems like a stretch. I wonder if it occurred in a "standard" cheese eating timeframe, or if it eventually moved down the esophagus through random muscle movement/forced respiration, in a way a dog would never actually eat cheese in the traditional sense
And, furthermore, if disembodied....where, pray tell, would the cheese go?????
@@mariapower9979 It would just get stuck in the esophagus as there would be no connection to the digestive tract . Im a nurse and at times there are patients with very severe GI cancers to where the GI tract must be surgically disconnected . Those patients can have absolutely nothing by mouth and must be fed intravenously . Also I'd argue the risk of choking would be extremely high . If anything , MAYBE the dog could perform the action of chewing - but beyond that it's definitely a stretch !
Either the floor or the gurney, depending. But in all seriousness, I'm going to have to side with Max---It never happened .
@Just Looking LOL!
@Just Looking That's the way my dog ate, no matter what it was. R.I.P. Zammis.
I discovered these films a few years back, truly difficult watching. I remember one of the things that jumped out at me was the wee doggie hospital beds they used, which seems a bit incongruous, considering what they just did to the dogs.
Your short documentaries are so good you're making me crave longer documentaries! But for real you wrap up the information in a fairly short time super well. Nice job!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't brain damage begin after only a few minutes without oxygen? I thought it was significantly less than 10 minutes.
Good question. I was thinking the same thing. A quick search with google came up with this: Time is very important when an unconscious person is not breathing. Permanent brain damage begins after only 4 minutes without oxygen, and death can occur as soon as 4 to 6 minutes later. I know it refers to people but other animals shouldn't be that different maybe?
@@misterflibble6601 Maybe they chilled sone of the dogs down? That would stretch the time considerably, especially as people have been able to be revived even after having spent an hour in icy water. They will chill a person down in some operations, as the colder temperature seems to considerably lower the brain's need for oxygen.
I was told 3-5min but if you are frozen it's different. Like if you freeze to death and then you are brought back to life one woman froze in a snowbank walking to her friends or her house or soemthing she died like 20 feet from her house or her friend's house and they didn't find her until next day, thawed her out and she was fine.
@@misterflibble6601 - You are absolutely correct. Human brain cells begin to die after approx 4 or 5 minutes of oxygen deprivation. It's not an instantaneous process and brain death does not occur immediately so it is possible to restart the heart and keep it beating in an ICU for hours or days, even (rarely) weeks after cardiac function has been restored. But the damage is done and part or all of the brain will die from the primary effects of oxygen deprivation - cell death. The secondary damage begins to occur 24 - 72 hours following the event and includes generalized swelling of the brain and impairment of blood circulation to the brain as a result and further cell death, among many other effects. It is a complex topic as is anything regarding brain injury.
Yes I wonder the same thing. If cooling them down enough, I can see it, as others have said. But the other methods of stopping the heart don't make sense if there was much time in between.
As a dog person, this is horrible. As a science dude, this is very interesting.
Veterinarian here: I have no doubt that the part of the film with the dog head was faked (can't comment on whether or not the experiments worked irl). There's no way that the head could move like that without the neck muscles being connected to the sternum and spine. Where did the saliva etc that the dog swallow go if the esophagus is severed? It's clearly nonsense, and I'm sure the real reflexes that they saw (if they were able to demonstrate it at all) were much less impressive.
I'm also not buying the whole "being alive and well after 10-15 minutes of being dead" thing, as anoxia to the brain for just a few minutes will pretty much always cause visible and irreparable damage. Having done a few resuscitations myself (most of them unsuccessful despite the most advanced equipment and drugs), I can categorically say that it is not as simple as just re-establishing circulation. I call BS on these experiments to a large extent.
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Im relieved to hear this as I found the whole severed dog head thing truly disturbing 😭🐾
@@carolinehoward180 Just because they faked it for the video doesn't mean they didn't try it at some point prior. The fact that they even thought it up in the first place makes me think that they _definitely_ tried. Monsters.
I needed to see this comment.
As an emergency physician I concur, although my experience in resuscitation is limited to humans (and the one iguana I successfully resuscitated as a child, only to have the patient die of sepsis two days later despite injections of antibiotics).
I'll be honest, I was scared ot click on this video and there are certainly disturbing moments. But I do want to say great job on all the concise info educating the viewer. I know there are a lot of undisclosed "dark science experiments", and I thought this was quite eye opening. Looking forward to checking out you other videos!
The one thing I don't understand about the experiments is the amount of time they have the test subjects (dogs) under cardiac arrest before bringing them back. I thought that any amount of time without blood flow to the brain causes irreversible brain damage, so even if they did revive them, wouldn't they have brain damage from being without oxygen for so long?
Agree. I doubt the validity of their claims. Just looked like torture to me.
The machine would do the bloodflow to the brain
cause its bs
I could definitely be wrong about this, but I think that a very minimal amount of time without blood flow to the brain can leave a being still more or less functional, at least from the physical perspective. I need to look into it further, but my guess here is that 10-15 minutes would be the longest before the head wouldn't be much or at all responsive upon resuscitation.
There are different degrees of brain damage in general, at the very least. So I imagine the time frame has something to do with that fact.
The human brain sustains irreversible damage after ~6mins without oxygen iirc
I couldn't watch some of it, so I just listened. I'm aware of the experiments and the subjects and how they did propel medicine in a new direction to save lives. Good one Plainly 👍
I didn’t watch some of it either. I don’t like torture. Animals are sentient beings. I don’t know how people dreaming up and carrying out such experiments sleep at night.
But I do love this channel and understand it’s important to revisit this kind of history.
That’s pretty cruel, Having an induced heart attack and then forced to pump again sounds like torture.
Ok then let's just use humans for research
@@Sergei_kv82 go ahead, some places are overflowing with cancer
@@Sergei_kv82 we could use pedophiles 🤷🏽♀️
It was torture and still is because you don’t believe that they ever stopped do you?
Ohhh another video by Plainly Difficult! What a great Saturday morning!
"Looking very sorry for itself", I mean, they were just dead, they've earned a mope, I think.
I gotta say the quality of your videos are getting really good. I'm not saying they weren't good before, I'm just saying your skills have improved.
Thank you
Best way to start my Saturday ‼️💯
We never stopped doing these experiments. Just last week we had yet another breakthrough from Yale where they were able to partly restore functionality in pig brains that had been dead for hours. Still havent brought anything truly back to life, yet. But it's only a matter of time.
I'm sure that won't have terrible unintentional ramifications and maybe even some intentional ones...
in the future from now, when the number of humans has been sufficiently reduced,
death row inmates will be executed and then "revived", if you can call it that.
@@tinfoilhat3268 just as it can be used for questionable motives, this very same thing can be used to save lives in very specific circumstances.
Everyone will pay for all this stuff a price higher than anything that can happen to you in this world.
Would you please talk about the CCP’s corpse museum?
This seems like the perfect (disturbing) segue.
I was between universities back then and when so friends showed me the brochure and invited me I told them there’s something evil about it.
They told me I was wrong and that these people have willingly donated their bodies to science.
It turned out they didn’t, they were all “political prisoners”, either Uighurs or Falun Dafa practitioners.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Was that museum brought around the world marketed as "body world"?
Yes, those were our democracy activists that were butchered and and put on display. Than we all paid money to go see them. Joke was on us 😞
I have heard many allegations against Bodies: The Exhibition claiming they use executed Chinese prisoners. The exhibition denies this, but can’t (or won’t) verify the bodies’ sources.
However the totally unaffiliated show Body Worlds says that its bodies come from willing donors in Europe and North America.
@@userequaltoNull yes he is thinking about Gunther von Hagen. The famous german physiologist.
Interesting topic! Small little correction; roller pumps are used as to put the blood cells under less mechanical stress and thus lessen the likelihood of them getting shredded, as they would in an impeller pump.
Definitely a hard one to judge ethics on. Progress rarely comes without blood, sadly.
In love with the old school advert warning!! Fantastic stuff XD
It's definitely interesting in terms of the science involved and it definitely paved the way for modern treatments, theories will only get you so far and sometimes you need actual experimentation in order to advance those fields
I can watch slasher films all day, but reality like this is too gruesome to watch!!
Wow, that scale visualization at the end! Plainly Horrendous.
Go cry about a drawing... Whatever suits you
Omg I've been waiting for the day you'd cover this! Thank you!
Sometimes it will be more horrific than difficult.
Keep up the good work fella and, as always, stay safe!
Thank you
My favorite info and docu channel has made it again, great video PD, I love your work
This one was rough to get through. Good job being kind in your delivery
Thank you
Hands down my favorite RUclips channel.
As someone binging The Magnus Archives again, this definitely caught my attention in notifications
You certainly lived up to your channel's name in this episode!
At some point, I might be able to work up the courage to view that footage that you thankfully replaced with animations...But not tonight.
Thanks for the knowledge!
Thank you
I love your videos, otherwise stories like these would be lost in time forever! As with all history, good or bad, it's important to remember it so we learn from the good bits, and avoid repeating the bad bits.
Glad you like them!
2:49: Love the side note!!😊👍
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The two headed dogs still haunt my nightmares.... 😱😰
I totally understand why research and testing is needed, but this disturbs me to no end.
I agree!
Even though it was gruesome, it was an important and essential part for the progress of modern medicine.
I would rate it as 3 as even though it was killing dogs, it wasn't senseless murder and the results of the experiments changed the world for the better.
I always try to watch to the very end just because I love your voice, and I love how you report the weather 😂
Dogs and humans have the same level of emotion it's just our feelings are precived as "more valuable." The terror would likely be equal to a dog's, especially when you see you are missing a body
Terror, maybe pain, and a lot of confusion.
I don’t think a dog would comprehend what was going on.
@@Teddingtinidk I guess I just thought you would notice something is up when you can't look over your shoulder
@@ianlackey237 Maybe a person would but a dog probably wouldn’t. Not to mention the fact that the dogs would most likely be really out of it for the short time they were conscious.
@@Teddingtin why? They weren't drugged and they had full blood flow to the brain
I like how easy you passed by the idea that a living being went through something like this.
I view dogs similarly to how I view children so thinking of these people decapitating dogs (of all animals) and then playing with their severed heads is horrific and its hard for me to see pass this.
That's because you have a conscience, unlike many commenters here.
This channel and your documentary is kick ass
A heart/lung machine has been in use for many years. These experiments, though crude and brutal, were important in the development. While they may in fact be propaganda, someone carried on the work.
100 dead dogs to save one person? Moral Dilemma.
But what about 100 dead dogs to save hundreds of millions of people and millions of animals?
Its gruesome but obviously very useful for the evolution of medicine and science in general.
The roller pump has a name, peristaltic pump. You probably know this, and you decided to say roller pump for simplification. Great content never miss an edition John, good work.
That “side note” was adorable :3
Y'all need to ask yourselves: If he'd used ANY other animal than dogs, would you still feel so strongly? I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that, no, you would not.
So true, I'd be more comfortable if it was people.
Yeah i wouldnt. not because i dont respect other animals like pigs, cows, horses and other farm animal (in fact, i appreciate them because i spent time on the countryside) but because dogs, cats and other domestic animals have been standarized in my media as another member of the family, the same way other people got inculcated that farm animals are domestic, or that dogs are just a disposable being (as we can see in here)
Of course not. Humans have been keeping dogs as personal companions for at least the last 30,000 years. Over that time, we've developed an instinctual forbearance toward them that we really only show to other members of our own species (not that it has always amounted to much, for either dogs _or_ other members of our species). Though they may not recognize it for what it is, many people reckon dogs in much the same way that they reckon small children. How often do you hear someone talking to their dog in "baby speak"? Even a monster like Hitler was said to use this same type of tonality with his dogs. This is instinctual behavior, not coincidence. So it's really no surprise that people would react much more poorly to the sight and sound of dogs being tortured than some other animal. That said, there isn't a single animal on Earth that I would want these experiments to be done on. Everything about these experiments were so rudimentary that they were medically useless almost as soon as they were published-- and that's not even getting into the myriad of obvious fabrications that they tried to pass along as fact.
Always my favorite videos on youtube, thanks so much
Thank you!
Oooh, this is interesting. I had no idea the Soviets worked towards a similar concept for the modern cardiopulmonary bypass machine.
Not towards a similar concept. Their work was the base of modern machine.
...Frankenstein didn't involve reanimating the dead. My best guess is that that association came from Lovecraft's parody, _Reanimator._
I though Frankenstein was literally about a mad scientist reanimating a monster made of dead humans, based on that one dude who figured out if you applied electric current to dead bodies they'd start to twitch.
@@oatmealman1586 In the book, in chapter 4 Dr. Frankenstein talks about robbing graves in the context of trying to understand what causes things to be alive - but always refers to his creation itself in terms of bringing the inanimate to life, not restoring life to the deceased. He also mentions being in awe of lightning and wanting to harness its power, and compares his work to alchemists' search for the philosopher's stone and to stories of "raising of ghosts or devils" - but the exact nature of the monster and how it's animated are deliberately ambiguous. There is one brief mention of it as a corpse immediately after it's animated, but "corpse" literally means "body", and in context that Frankenstein expressing horror at his own achievement, and the author projecting her experience having gone through a stillbirth. There's just enough in the text to interpret it either way. Again, it's deliberately ambiguous.
The experiments were both ethical and legitimate science. Our moral dilemma arises from our strong roots in the human-canine relationship - a bond typically lacking in mice, rats, and similar lab subjects. While I am thoroughly repulsed by the use of dogs in his experiments, I find nothing to fault him over. He might have been eclipsed by others, but he was truly groundbreaking in his foundational theories.
I haven’t been this early since I was born at 32 weeks lol loving your content.. really learning a lot! Appreciate the effort you put in to every topic you discuss. Thankyou John!
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You make great videos John, take care
Thanks, you too!
Stories like these always remind me that you can't judge the actions of others, especially during a completely different period of time, based on your own moral or ethical convictions. This was during a time that animals were not believed to have the mental awareness that we accept they have today. As such, there was no concern for the mental stresses we would associate with such an experience.
So, is it truly an evil, immoral, unethical experiment with no regard for the animals well being? Or an attempt to further our understanding of the mammalian circulatory system using the best medical practices of the time?
A little of column A, a little of column B imo.
Tja, problem is we do worse things against dogs, cats, monkeys and other animals every day now in 2022. Useless animal experiments controlled not by Sovjet propaganda, but by big corporations which lobby for cheap animal experiments instead of the way more fitting and better human technical models which are available both as actual synthetic models as well as simulations. The things we do against dogs and monkeys nowadays are so insanely cruel it makes these beheadings seem like a walk in the park. Also staff of these labs treat animals as if they themselves are complete psychopats getting off hurting them - the amount of simple and pure mistreatment like kicking, hitting, shaking, prodding, inducing unneccessary pain in completely defenseless animals being seen in undercover footage is nothing less or completely revolting. I have a PhD in physics but there is nothing fascinating about animal testing. It’s pure sadism and a result of economic growth.
I feel like this was not an evil study. While it was brutal and disgusting, without the deaths of these animals, millions would die. Science requires sacrifice.
@@oatmealman1586 why would millions die? What is it that they discovered, in your view? They literally did not discover anything new, the whole thing was for nothing.
@@Notaravisen this set the stage for modern life support as well as surgeries such as open heart surgeries. I don't think it takes a genius to understand how those have save millions.
My friend was a combat surgeon and has seen some shit but he said the things they did with german Shepards broke him
Pigs too
always down for a new plainly video
I take it a hatred of dogs was number one requirement for job openings there.
These are really impressive findings for the medical feild.
Ethical scale...I'd give it a 6.5, it's unethical but life saving equipment was developed in part to inspiration and proof of concept of this contraption.
As a nurse who has worked 25 yrs in dialysis and therapeutic apheresis where nothing would be possible without the abilty to achive and maintain extracorporeal circulation...this video was a interesting look into the fundamental ground work into what makes it even possable.
2-3, the animals were not subjected to unwarranted/superfluous distress than what was required.
Thanks for this !!! I watched the experiment videos about 3 years ago and was very shocked and amazed but disturbed
You deserve more views. I learn more in your videos than I do in a month of my regular everyday life.
Thank you!
Always a chill and entertaining video
Some of these I don't agree with the ethics rating on but these are definitely harder to relax.
That said, would we know what we do if these types of things didn't take place?
It is what it is.
"That said, would we know what we do if these types of things didn't take place?" Know what, exactly? That it's possible to externally oxygenate blood, keep it at a steady temperature, and pump it at a rate comparable to that of the cardiac muscle without excess clotting? Yes, we would; these things are trivial to measure. Or that it's possible to put a severed head on life support and get a reaction out of it by slamming a hammer down in front of its face? No, we wouldn't, and I would've preferred it that way.
I have discovered your channel and am now addicted
god this just makes me want to cry. I’ve always had a lower empathy level for humans compared to animals (probably some part of a mental illness, I truly don’t know) so this…this really hurt. but the part that gets me is that this actually helped people in the long run. in a (probably selfish and cruelly) way, im mad that it did end up being helpful- just because it gave the green light to other experiments using animals. I can’t even really rate this on the ethics scale because the whole thing kinda angers/upsets me? i get that it can truly be helpful but something about just…keeping the head alive, making it react to different things, all to take it off of the machine later and let it. yknow. I’ve seen tons of graphic stuff but this just…ow.
Finally the first sane comment I read!
I am disgusted as I thought the video would only use cartoons to showcase those experiments..
There are plenty of good reasons to feel more empathetic toward animals than humans. Not the least of which, sadly, is the dichotomy of behavior shown between the two in this very video.
I've never understood why animal lives are seen as less important than human. What criteria decides? Why is higher intelligence seen as more deserving of life? Do we really believe animals don't feel pain or love as much as us? Just my opinion, it's no more valid than anyone else's.
If someone accepts that reincarnation might be true they might think these experiments are wrong. Do not fear death but accept that your actions towards other souls may affect your own destiny in the next life.
I disagree with you. It's unfortunate to have animals for experiments of course, but we wouldn't be able to save humans as well as animals if these weren't done back in the day. Sometimes ethics and logic conflict each other. But I believe it's a lot better that it helped our medical development than it being done in vain.
seeing how this was one of the few ways they actually could test this, it still leaves me so unsettled. so many programs, procedures, treatments, and surgeries came from things like this. i cant say im ungrateful for these developments, i just wish it wasnt so... incredibly dark.
Know it was for a good cause, but this one broke my heart (no pun intended) when I first became aware of it a few years ago, and made me physically ill on the first viewing.
The documentation of the experiments is what really ups the nightmare fuel, as in the notes about how they prepared the severed heads, it mentions they had to do things like remove the dog's vocal chords to make room for the tubing.
I can imagine no greater horror than waking up to find your body gone and, you can't even howl out in terror because your voice was literally cut out.
For that reason, I'm going with a hard 8 on the ethical scale. Arguably the science led to saving life down the road, and it was intended to do so from the start and not for mad genius giggles, so that's what's saving the scale from going all the way over into evil territory for me.
It was likely faked in the video. That said, the fact that they thought it up in the first place means they probably tried it at some point. Some of the experiments, while completely unethical, had at least _some_ medical value. The decapitated head thing has _no_ medical value. By the time our medical technology becomes sophisticated enough to even _hypothetically_ keep a severed head alive (there's a lot more at play than just circulation), it's almost certain that direct experimentation will have long-since become obsolete in favor of highly accurate quantum simulation of the _human_ body (which is orders of magnitude more useful than trying to correlate data from animals over to humans).
I have loved your recent videos!! I am a nuclear engineer (that’s how I found you) and have been subscribed for atleast a year. I really like these dark side of science videos! Keep up the good work!
I‘d give this a 3 at worst. I mean, yes, killing dogs is unethical, as they neither agree on being experimented on, nor do they have a chance to fully grasp their horrific situation. But honestly, dead dogs, even in high number, perish to the amounts of possible lives saved, if the machiene would‘ve been fully developed. He also didn‘t test his theories on still living humans or undesirables like P.O.W.s, but only on patients of his, who had already died.
Agreed.
I think it would be better if we just let people die naturally with the hand they were dealt and not torture dogs, but that’s just me.
@@evelynvslife ok then don't take any medicine or partake in any surgery
@@corynasf9749 any medicine? Nah. That’s silly. That would endanger others. And no surgery? Not all surgeries have resulted from the abuse of animals. They didn’t need to torture any puppies to know how to remove my two wisdom teeth.
@@evelynvslife guess how any medicine or surgery is approved for clinical use? it's through animal testing. maybe it's not teh hecking doggos or whatever animals you have emotional responses to but it's from testing & hurting animals
Well there's the other issue of completely desanguinating a living organism: re-introducing blood is going to cause complications, especially if there are any air bubbles which could cause a stroke. Additionally, blood clotting was a problem with early machines, also increasing the risk of a clot. I don't see how it would have been possible to have re-introduced blood without bubbles or clots back then, assuming that this was actually real.
I agree with your rating, if only because of the propaganda being potentially built into it. These were important discoveries. But I have a sneaky suspicion there will be many, many people putting it at a 9 or 10.
Also I can't be the only one who hangs around once the credits roll specifically for the weather report at the end!
I enjoy these videos.. Usually just before sleep..
Oops.
There's important science being done in these experiments. They may have questionable consequences for the dogs, but many people has had open heart surgery, and that would never be possible without experiments such as these.
This was very interesting, thank you for this video!
This episode demonstrates the really quite impressive tone-deafness of much Soviet propaganda. Did they really think they were going to win hearts in the West by saying “Hey we can cut dogs’ heads off AND keep them alive” and then filming it?
Very true I can’t imagine it would convert many to communism
it's rather tone deaf relative to the broad and yes, uneducated masses, but hyperbolically speaking doctors would masturbate to the thought of being able to completely circumvent a patients failing body. Of course, this also operates on the supposition that it worked to a degree anywhere close to as effective as the propaganda would have you believe.
The Soviet Union was an interesting time lol
4:16 i usually dont see many maximilians rather than myself, really cool to see it here
I'd be pissed if I died and some mf woke me up again just so I can pay taxes.
I have seen a lot of messed up things in my 30+ years on this planet, but I wouldn't consider myself an overly emotional Indvidual. I rarely if ever cry anymore. I guess at some point you just become desensitized to it all.
But that imagery at 10:27 with the severed dog head appearing frightened by the hammer strikes shook me to my core. There truly is no limit to the amount of evil and depravity we can imagine, nor the atrocities we humans will commit in the name of "progress."