As right as Bdubs is, greedy companies dont care about that extra level of human quality. They'd rather pay nothing for a mediocre peice that gets the point across than have to pay for something spectacular. It's really sad to me. I hope we all come to our senses
the other part of it is that in many places, an artist's work isn't protected for copyright against AI. AI scrubs the internet and copies what it sees, so it will copy style without the consent of the artist who made it.
That's the thing, but people are fighting all the wrong fights regarding this situation: attacking and harrassing regular people who want to use a new fancy toy in their arsenal, instead of addressing the root problem(Capitalism affecting entertainment) and demanding AI protection from corporations and the government.
I think people focus on the wrong things when they talk about AI copyright issues. The way that AI can infringe on the copyrights of other artists is the same as the ways that art can already be stolen. Someone can already look at a particular artist's style and start copying it for their own gain, it just takes a certain level of skill. AI just makes that possible for people with less skill. AI also makes it easier for good actors without traditional art skills the ability to do things they never could before in a non-copyright-infringing way. Its all about how you use it. We need to focus on targeting the ACT of copyright infringement, not the tools that people are using.
Literally this. He's not pro AI, I think maybe he just needs to be educated on why AI is taking over jobs even with talented artists and writers being better and more talented
2:13:26 - Xisuma saying "Scar, the Queen's dead" in the most matter-of fact tone gave me a chuckle. The fact that he *absolutely* knows about Queen, yet feigned ignorance in order to troll Scar's chat made it even better.
1:33:40 Mumbo deserves so much love for his growth as a builder! I am so happy to see that others have noticed and mention just how creative he is, along with his amazing works. That mustachio man has cemented himself as my favorite builder
1:24:20 The day when Scar announced to the fanbase that Jelly had died, the other gigs members were playing phasmo. When they heard from the viewers that it was public knowledge they did a solid minute of silence for Jelly. ruclips.net/video/qdT8I0WqEXg/видео.htmlsi=CRATm6oxQQ3xv7Iq&t=3097
59:40 Bdubs, I hear you, but the issue with AI isnt necessarily that artists think it's better than them. It's that corporations and companies think it can replace artistic jobs because it does it for free and/or a lot cheaper. A lot of great artists who do exactly what you're saying people need to do to beat AI are getting laid off in favor of AI generation even though it's inferior. I do think that eventually companies will realize their mistake and stop using AI generation for their art, but it is impacting people _now_ in a time where artists are already financially struggling with inflating prices and stagnant wages. We can't _afford_ to wait for CEOs to get their heads out of the ground because then it'll be too little too late to help the artists it hurt. So I agree! AI will always be inferior to human works! But we can't just wait around for the non-creative types to realize that. ❤
A couple opinions from a software engineer's perspective. It's actually not cheap at all to run the AI systems. They're being over hyped and sold for cheap right now. It's going to catch up to the companies that are banking on abusing it real hard. I personally feel like the word artist is getting thrown around in this conversation when it doesn't really belong. An artist does composition and imagination and a bunch of other things. Right now the AI can write text but it can't write a book. It can write code, but it's extremely far from a whole software you could ship. The images are the same... Artists are on a completely different realm. Maybe this is a hot take... But It turns out that we need so many visuals created in corporations that a ton of people are hired for essentially basic doodling. And some companies are over reacting and getting rid of whole departments. But when you look into it, those people didn't get paid well... Painters still sell paintings to this day... I don't think artists got displaced much... It's basically THE stereotype occupation where you make no money and you live on hopes and dreams. There's a flaw in this debate that I'm honestly not smart enough to pinpoint. But I'm convinced it is not at all like what the media is portraying.
To simply put it, AI doesn't have any intention and motivation driving generated content, as Bdubs exposed this is the same issue with collective creations when too many inputs from too many people give the same impression of AI generated stories or visuals. Each individual is unique but not everybody is Shakespears or Mozart, the humanity is a big game of life in an endless loop where our individual judgment and motivation makes us collectively thrives.
@@SquintyGears An opinion from an Artist perspective - "Painters still sell paintings to this day... I don't think artists got displaced much... It's basically THE stereotype occupation where you make no money and you live on hopes and dreams." - You are describing a Fine Artist, a painter, sculptor... someone who works on individual pieces. It is almost impossible to have this as a sole occupation, the cost of materials and time are too high with what people are willing to pay for the final product. The very very few who do have done so because they have talent, yes - but mostly because they are lucky and were in the right place at the right time - this is something heavily discussed in art school. It is essentially a given that if you are going to school to be a Fine Artists, you are also going to school for a back-up artist profession. As such, most artists will work illustration jobs, graphic design jobs, contract and freelance work to supplement their careers as a Fine Artist, something that will keep them in the skillset they need while providing a steady fund. It is the way almost all artists working today can afford to BE fine artists. Without that secondary income, they cannot do the primary job. Unfortunately, those jobs are rapidly being displaced by image generating AI. The artists that are getting laid off by the companies Are the same artists that do composition and Fine Art. And No, we never got paid well. We also weren't doodling - even though there is nothing wrong with doodling, and it is an essential practice technique. Art is a difficult and challenging profession. It requires grueling hours of practice and study. I find it's this exact attitude from software engineers and their perception of Artists as being a large part of the problem with AI. They have no idea what our professions are like, and yet they think they can speak on it and even attempt to replace it. Artists aren't on a different realm. Art is just as varied a profession as any other, with the need for people at all levels and skillsets like any other. But which is so little understood by people outside because of the intense saturation of it everywhere. The Art community absolutely is feeling one of the biggest impacts from AI. All of our small jobs are being eaten up by it, the jobs that allowed us to work as Artists. They have been up in arms since the people programming AI have been doing so on artwork they have skimmed without permission from the internet. There are artists now who are attempting to team up with software engineers to create programs that allow artists to publish images to the web to display their work - something Essential for artists now - while keeping the images safe from AI skimming. Their jobs are being replaced by AI that have been trained on their work that they are now not being compensated on. It's just hard to see, because social media is covered in Art, because artists understood that this was the best medium to use to display their art. It's saturation in an enclosed area. But if you look around you, offline, please try and find actual pieces of Fine art that are not prints, scans, or digital - outside of art galleries. They are getting almost impossible to find. And that is a problem. The starving artist trope isn't one that Artists want. It's what we have to deal with in a world that is increasingly hostile to artists.
@@artofmkd This!! Thank you for speaking on this. You're a lot more knowledgeable on it than I am and I'm only speaking on what I've witnessed as a freelance commission artist (my primary job is at a high school) and from people who used to work for places like Disney and Pixar and other animation studios and have since been let go because of AI generated scripts, images, and voices being used in their fields. It's not even just visual artists being impacted by AI generation. People are making AI generate a novel and then selling that AI novel on places like Amazon with no transparency on whether they used AI or not. Authors are getting books _they didn't write_ added to their GoodReads because of people using AI trained off of their books to create these awful stories. Genshin Impact, one of the most successful gacha games out there, has started using AI for their story events and it's obvious they're not going to stop doing that because they make so much profit off of using it without using human jobs to write their stories and scripts instead. We're living in an age where companies aren't willing to pay people to tell a good story anymore because they make just as much money replacing those jobs with AI generated nonsense. They're willing to sacrifice the integrity of the artistic process just to make a quick buck, and until it _stops_ making them more profit than hiring a real person would, they're not going to stop using it.
if you get acid reflux or heartburn when your sleeping lay on your left side to relieve it. the reason is your food goes into the stomache on the right side so any acid comes back up on the right side as you lay down to sleep. hope this helps people
59:13 Bdubs i totaly get where you are coming from. but the worry for us artists its not that AI will make better art than us, we are worried it will make cheaper art than us. Especilay we are worried of the people who manage the money and have limited knowlege of art that make the decitions will rather buy a licence than to hire an artist. THATS the real concern.
I'll be honest - I don't really care for Disney or amusement parks. But the passion and knowledge you show while talking about this makes me so excited. I could listen to you explain all the different technologies for ages and be actually really interested in it. You have a gift, Scar.
I have zero interest in Disney or Star Wars but I find Scar's rants really fascinating. I have so much random knowledge about a subject I otherwise wouldn't know or care about.
I despise Disney (I’m so sorry Scar) and Star Wars is meh (I am so so sorry Scar 😭) but I’ll literally sit and listen to Scar rant about it for hours and get excited with him for things I don’t even understand lol
From a learning artist. Hey Scar, can you please tell Bdubs that 'being better than AI' is not the problem with it. the problem artist have with ai is that big companies don't care about quality, so they are fine with replacing real artist with ai (aswell as paying artist less, to the point where they struggle to feed there families).
12:00 ish - I started using a cane at 23 and my college classmates thought it was the coolest thing 😂 it was a very generic one, but somehow people really vibed with it! The most important thing is that it helps you out, and the nice thing about canes and crutches is that you can "accidentally" whack people with them 🤷♀️ Don't let the world get you down! I can 100% guarantee you (as a fellow mobility aid user) that while some people will judge you, there are at least as many people that will look at you and see you rocking that cane, and either 1) think it's cool or 2) think it's cool and realise it can help them too, and then you'll be their inspiration! Anyway, enough rambling. Haven't been able to catch a stream yet but am very happy watching the vods! Thanks for what you do Scar!
What Bdubs said about AI art is totally right. We artists should strive to improve ourselves to the point we're not intimidated by AI. But what artists take issue about AI is that our opinion doesn't matter. You can't do art for a living if the customers don't have that same idea that art is better when it comes from human touches. We generally don't make a living out of art exclusively from other artists supporting ourselves, we make a living out of non-artists who happens to want to pay for arts, and what general audience sees as "good art" matters way more to artists than everything if you want to survive doing art. If AI art gets normalized further, newcomer artists who are still striving to improve will have no job to take to make a living. Art career will be no more in the next decade or so if you can only make money from art after you've already become top tier and well known artists. It's good to be hopeful and on the bright side but the doomsayers have a point when they want to spread the awareness of the harmful threat generative AI is making as much as they can, because if the general audience becomes totally accepting of gen AI, we all are done. No art work field in the future.
Bare with me because this is gonna sound stupid initially, but unless you're a capitalism shill, there shouldn't be an art work field to be fair, in the most optimistic way possible. People should be doing art because they love to and enjoy it, not because they have to to keep food on their table and a roof over their head. I'm not saying people losing their jobs to AI is a good thing, I'm saying it shouldn't matter if they do overall, but humans suck so that world probably will never exist. But honestly they are being extraordinarily naive and like they haven't seen what AI art can do. It might not be there yet, but it has a much higher limit then the human brain.
@@SabsWhyTho No it doesn't have a 'higher limit'. That's just tosh. AI is just a digital version of 'millions of monkeys with typewriters' in the end. It can't 'create'.
@@Jokie155 That is absolutely copium. If humans are still alive and have a functioning society in a hundred years art will only be a hobby because there will be no value in paying for something a computer could do to a higher quality quicker. Hopefully society will be in a place where it isn't necessary to be able to sell art.
@SabsWhyTho I feel like it's the same thing as streamers/ RUclips. They would be all hobbyists without the millions of people that support them. If they all are hobbyists, we would get less high budget productions and it would return to 2010 RUclips. Enjoyable in a way but we wouldn't get things like hermitcraft. Same with art. Without the general public supporting artists, we wouldn't get as many beautiful pieces. So I hope AI doesn't replace the art market so that we continue to get so many beautiful art pieces from amazing artists.
I believe other comments addressed the artist side of the AI dispute but I'll talk about the writer's worry about it. I'm a writer and I specialize in novels and short stories. It takes me on average 3-5 months to write, edit, review and finish a short story and a novel can take up to 5 or 6 years. AI can do what I do in minutes, and then needs about 5 minutes to go through editing and making it ready to publish. So basically now you have writing on an assembly track which makes it way more affordable for publishing companies to do; it's more profitable to print out 10 mediocre works than 1 good one. It creates such unhealthy competition that in about 10 years it could completely squeeze out human writers out of the market. It's all regurgitated content, it's all a remake of something else and yes, a lot of what humans write is also regurgitated content but the difference is that people can add spins to content in infinitely different perspectives; AI struggles to do that. But AI is just a tool, I know this. The issue is it's a tool for capitalist megalomaniacs to gut all joy out of art for profit. If AI is left unmonitored you'll have art being done by robots and answering pointless emails being done by humans.
As someone who has never had any interest in Disney or star wars listening to scar rant it one of my favorite things to listen to, keep being you scar ❤❤❤
1:23:37 - I was in the UK for the first time in my life... the week after the Queen passed. I was at a restaurant one day during that trip and they announced they were doing 2 minutes of silence
"I see a little silhouetto of a man SCARamouche, SCARamouche, will you Fan Tango? Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me (Galileo) Galileo, (Galileo) Galileo, Galileo Figaro, magnifico Xisumavoid But I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me He's just a poor boy from a poor family Spare him his life from this monstrosity" - Queen! Scar plz watch Bohemian Rhapsody (film)
Disney Park Talk: One of the big issues I have with the current direction is that they are focusing so hard on bringing the movies into the park. Disneyland wasn't always just a "ride the movie" park. They had lands that didn't appear anywhere in films, they were just fantastic lands. They used to take rides and turn them into movies, now it's all the other direction.
The "just be better than the AI" mindset is so frustrating. It doesn't matter how good your art is. Companies will always choose cheep over good, and profit over people. People are losing work right now becase of it. If someone can just type words into a box and generate something for free in minutes or even seconds, vs paying a real artist a fair price and then waiting for the artist to spend actual time creating something - what are a lot of people going to choose?. And that AI image is derivative and plagiarised from a real artist who trained for years, and spent many hours on a piece of art, only for it to bestolen and fed into an algorythm.
58:24 Bdubs I get what you are trying to say but you are wrong about *why* artists feel 'threatened' by generative AI. It's not because we view AI as better than us, that is not the case at all. It is the fact that it is profiting off of our work, we are being exploited. We are seeing in real time companies choose AI over human artists because it is quicker and cheaper. "Let's be better artists!" If we get better, so does AI, our work is not going to suddenly not be trained on because we've gotten better, quite the contrary. AI is not "competition", its fundamental purpose is to replace us and steal our jobs which it already has. Our problem with AI is the ethical problems. Beyond it ripping us off and profiting off of us, it is also a huge environmental concern. The carbon footprint of training a singular AI model is exponential. Generative AI will be a problem until it is regulated and the models that currently exist are purged.
The day Freddy Mercury passed my sister and I cried. The man was an icon. Fun video Scar hanging out with Bdubs, Tango and X. I found a Mace Density book in an abandoned mineshaft cart yesterday. Not just in the Trial Chambers.
I was active on a poetry site. I bought memberships for two people I met on it. There are contests, one of those people started winning tons of them. The other person noticed a shift in their writing and discovered they were using AI. Without being familiar with previous writes, it was undetectable. It pretty much broke me from being active on the site. Also stung a bit that I'd bought this person a membership.
59:10 Bdubs I get where you are coming from but the worry about AI is not that it is better, it’s that it’s stealing art from human artists with no compensation or consent and then generates an image with those stolen pieces, taking away money and exposure from those hardworking talented artist who made the art in the first place.
Actually the idea that humans are supposed to be on all fours is pretty much wrong. Our heads are aligned to look forwards when on two legs- try looking around on all fours and you have to strain your neck to hold your eyes up. Our spines are s-shaped cones instead of c-shaped rods. The base of the spine is much thicker to support our weight. Our legs are angled for balancing, our knees lock, ect,
This probably won't be much help, but I'll just say I joined after the lore too, and all I really know is that it is so ridiculously funny how much he hates it sometimes that I've just given up searching for the moment. Fun fact, Scar put together a Stitch Lego and put on goggles and oven mitts because he said it was toxic, not sure what stream it was but I'm pretty sure it's season 10
46:56 I always thought that the word drip came from an outfit being “fire” and then adding diamonds (ice) would cause the fit to be so hot the ice would melt. Resulting in drip. But I could just be completely wrong
Bdubs, like a true american, decided that subscriptions would be better if only they were more like the stock market! Because famously nothing bad ever happens to the stock market.
While I agree with most of the takes on AI, I must say that the idea of being threatened by AI making you a bad artist is incredibly toxic. It's basically a Just World fallacy and bootstrap mentality combined, blaming the person for 'not being good enough' instead of acknowledging the various other factors at play. There are more things wrong with that point, but I don't have the mental fortitude to coherently lay them all out, so I'll leave it at this.
It’s really all a paradigm for current capitalism. Any ceo should feel as threatened as any artist, or any job… should our current capitalist model stay. Ethically; industry that adopts ai should support universal basic income.
When computer graphics first came out and particularly autocad, many people trained to do graphics by hand using pencil and rulers were out of work. Even if they trained to do autocad, there were no longer nearly as many jobs because the same graphics could be done many times faster. Rescaling and rotating images was rendered nearli instantly. Yet ultimately autocad is a good thing.
I know it’s not now, and seems forever away, but the first day of school will soon be twenty years ago. Although they directly influence you now, no one you know now will directly influence you when you are independent and mature.
In regards to Bdub’s AI rant, that logic is what’s been taught to me in my college computer science course! In order to get a job we have to code better than AI. With art though, it is different, because companies care very little about things like stealing (which AI does) or making things look as good as they could
Yes and the programmers will logically figure out how to add value in an AI world. However, artists by their nature are mostly going to be very dramatic about it. 😂😂
The problem isn't that AI will be able to create "artwork" better than actual artists; the issue is that some companies will use mediocre "artwork" that's cheaper and less time-consuming than it would take to pay an artist, leaving artists without jobs or finding it much more difficult to get jobs as a commercial artist. It's also an issue of AI image generation stealing and replicating existing artwork/art styles without any regulation. Some businesses might choose to hire real artists, but many larger businesses especially are finding ways to maximize their profit without any consideration for human connection or soul. While having some regulations will help with this, we also just need to spread the awareness of how AI currently impacts artists and be weary of how it could in the long term as well, because while Bdubs was well-meaning and I understand where he's coming from, he also doesn't appear to understand the full situation and why artists are concerned. It's not necessarily about skill level; although I could see AI making it harder for especially newer artists to get their foot in the door of commercial art, and it could deincentivise some to hone their craft. That's my take on it anyways, coming from an artist. I was fortunate enough to be able to make some money inbetween school years doing commissions, but I was being commissioned by other artists. I'm going to college for digital art, and I do fear that getting anywhere in the workforce doing something I love (and is one of the few things I'm very good at) will be more difficult than it ever has been before, if not impossible. I'm hopeful, but still concerned about the future of commercial art and AI. There will still people who value real art, but also plenty who will take the cheaper option. It's not something we should ignore if we value art at all.
Just a thought, bud, but Fire is rooted to the ground but Lightening is rooted to the sky. If you do a lightning strike, where's it start, how does the light affect the surrounding trees, what about collateral debris? The fire tree is so perfect right now.
1:08:10 Magic Kingdom is my favorite of the parks I’ve been to. It has the ambiance and set design that is so immersive, you can’t help but enjoy yourself. My least favorite: MGM as it feels lifeless and there’s nothing that seems to continue on through the years. I visited all the Disney World parks and 14 years apart MGM felt like a completely different (lifeless) place both times
That thing about subscription stock market is pretty wild to hear, we should know why that's a bad idea instinctively at this point. People already get value from supporting their favorites because they want them to continue exist and improve, but with the current state of mass wealth inequality world over, many people feel they cant afford to support their favorites (me included), mixing artificial profit motives would just lead to exploiting some of those vulnerable people. And no as far as AI goes, competition is not good, it does not breed innovation and it does not make better artists, people strive to get better all the time with for no other reason because they want to be better. Kind of also hate AI because the last thing this planet needs is another resource and energy hungry service that further ruins the planet. It's fine for the most important research fields, but outside that...
I don’t understand, why is the cylinder of water bad? What is it that looks bad? I guess this is a testament to how great Joe is about dealing with stuff. 52:26
Glad to hear you love Sword in the Stone, Scar, as it's my favorite Disney film and get tired of seeing elsewhere when people review/rank Disney movies, they tend to always put it low.
You're quite optimistic about the future of the relationship between AI and art, not sure I share it after having worked in the industry for a while. It all comes down to what we really mean by words like "soul" or "human element" or whatever. I tend to think increasing algorithmic complexity and computing power is the real danger here. Maybe one day we'll be able to simulate a neural network with a 100 quadrillion synapses like the brain does and what happens then is anyone's guess. The distinction between humans and machines may blur heavily at that point.
Sorry if this idea has already been shared, but I think instead of building a static lightning bolt over the fire tree, it would be more fun to stick a lightning rod near the top of it. That way you get actual lightning when there is a storm! Get some movement and variability in your art :)
I was on bdubs stream. Bdubs is very good host and streamer. The streaming was fun. BUT the stream is only for the subs who join the group. There is nothing wrong with that. It is just he limits the people who will tune on his stream on time. The subs who join his group are from different country with different time zone. To solve this, he needs to know where the majority of his subs who join his group come from OR make it public stream like technoblade or solidaritygaming.
1:41:10 oooh i have that too :O doesn't it classify as GERD? ..Okay, making fun of Bdubs afterwards was just rude. He explained he was now completely numb to the joke, implying you've made fun of him enough to make Bdubs give up on his boundaries; and as he explains he's tired of being excluded from the fun right at his face, you cut him off to keep on excluding him. Then when asking him to repeat, you label it as a "rant" when it's basic respect. That's petty for a stranger, but cruel for a friend.
Scar, you are an awesome dude. Don't let anyone bully you for your ignorance in music... lol.. Note: I am terrible at knowing songs, bands, and celebrities too. Celebrities more so. With that said, you have a wealth of knowledge about theme parks and Disney that I (along with many) don't have. .... hmmm.... You could troll others with this knowledge and pretend to expect them to know it, because its well known. Yes, yes. This will be good. Strike them down and join the Dark Side of the Hermitcraft server! *Moo-oo-ahahahaha. Moohahaha. Moohahahah -Evil cow
Look at BDubs with his hot takes. 1:26:44 Whos to say the people who subscribed early wasnt already getting what they wanted out of their "investment"? Eh? What if they subscribed for what the streamer was doing at that moment? What if they subscribed for the PERSON instead of the games? Theyd be getting returns on their investment the momet they subscribed. You make it sound like people in their early days have little to no value and only grow in value later. It sounds a bit like you're trying to quantify someones worth by how long they've been doing something, doen't it?
As right as Bdubs is, greedy companies dont care about that extra level of human quality. They'd rather pay nothing for a mediocre peice that gets the point across than have to pay for something spectacular. It's really sad to me. I hope we all come to our senses
the other part of it is that in many places, an artist's work isn't protected for copyright against AI. AI scrubs the internet and copies what it sees, so it will copy style without the consent of the artist who made it.
That's the thing, but people are fighting all the wrong fights regarding this situation: attacking and harrassing regular people who want to use a new fancy toy in their arsenal, instead of addressing the root problem(Capitalism affecting entertainment) and demanding AI protection from corporations and the government.
I think people focus on the wrong things when they talk about AI copyright issues. The way that AI can infringe on the copyrights of other artists is the same as the ways that art can already be stolen. Someone can already look at a particular artist's style and start copying it for their own gain, it just takes a certain level of skill. AI just makes that possible for people with less skill. AI also makes it easier for good actors without traditional art skills the ability to do things they never could before in a non-copyright-infringing way. Its all about how you use it. We need to focus on targeting the ACT of copyright infringement, not the tools that people are using.
Literally this. He's not pro AI, I think maybe he just needs to be educated on why AI is taking over jobs even with talented artists and writers being better and more talented
2:13:26 - Xisuma saying "Scar, the Queen's dead" in the most matter-of fact tone gave me a chuckle.
The fact that he *absolutely* knows about Queen, yet feigned ignorance in order to troll Scar's chat made it even better.
1:33:40 Mumbo deserves so much love for his growth as a builder! I am so happy to see that others have noticed and mention just how creative he is, along with his amazing works. That mustachio man has cemented himself as my favorite builder
1:24:20 The day when Scar announced to the fanbase that Jelly had died, the other gigs members were playing phasmo.
When they heard from the viewers that it was public knowledge they did a solid minute of silence for Jelly.
ruclips.net/video/qdT8I0WqEXg/видео.htmlsi=CRATm6oxQQ3xv7Iq&t=3097
Ohh that’s so sweet 😭 💕
oh my goodness I didn't see this at the time. Thats so precious, and what a sign of immense respect. This community is so beautiful
59:40 Bdubs, I hear you, but the issue with AI isnt necessarily that artists think it's better than them. It's that corporations and companies think it can replace artistic jobs because it does it for free and/or a lot cheaper. A lot of great artists who do exactly what you're saying people need to do to beat AI are getting laid off in favor of AI generation even though it's inferior.
I do think that eventually companies will realize their mistake and stop using AI generation for their art, but it is impacting people _now_ in a time where artists are already financially struggling with inflating prices and stagnant wages. We can't _afford_ to wait for CEOs to get their heads out of the ground because then it'll be too little too late to help the artists it hurt.
So I agree! AI will always be inferior to human works! But we can't just wait around for the non-creative types to realize that. ❤
Thanks for putting to words what I was thinking
A couple opinions from a software engineer's perspective. It's actually not cheap at all to run the AI systems. They're being over hyped and sold for cheap right now. It's going to catch up to the companies that are banking on abusing it real hard.
I personally feel like the word artist is getting thrown around in this conversation when it doesn't really belong. An artist does composition and imagination and a bunch of other things. Right now the AI can write text but it can't write a book. It can write code, but it's extremely far from a whole software you could ship. The images are the same... Artists are on a completely different realm.
Maybe this is a hot take... But It turns out that we need so many visuals created in corporations that a ton of people are hired for essentially basic doodling. And some companies are over reacting and getting rid of whole departments. But when you look into it, those people didn't get paid well...
Painters still sell paintings to this day... I don't think artists got displaced much... It's basically THE stereotype occupation where you make no money and you live on hopes and dreams.
There's a flaw in this debate that I'm honestly not smart enough to pinpoint. But I'm convinced it is not at all like what the media is portraying.
To simply put it, AI doesn't have any intention and motivation driving generated content, as Bdubs exposed this is the same issue with collective creations when too many inputs from too many people give the same impression of AI generated stories or visuals. Each individual is unique but not everybody is Shakespears or Mozart, the humanity is a big game of life in an endless loop where our individual judgment and motivation makes us collectively thrives.
@@SquintyGears An opinion from an Artist perspective - "Painters still sell paintings to this day... I don't think artists got displaced much... It's basically THE stereotype occupation where you make no money and you live on hopes and dreams." - You are describing a Fine Artist, a painter, sculptor... someone who works on individual pieces. It is almost impossible to have this as a sole occupation, the cost of materials and time are too high with what people are willing to pay for the final product. The very very few who do have done so because they have talent, yes - but mostly because they are lucky and were in the right place at the right time - this is something heavily discussed in art school. It is essentially a given that if you are going to school to be a Fine Artists, you are also going to school for a back-up artist profession.
As such, most artists will work illustration jobs, graphic design jobs, contract and freelance work to supplement their careers as a Fine Artist, something that will keep them in the skillset they need while providing a steady fund. It is the way almost all artists working today can afford to BE fine artists. Without that secondary income, they cannot do the primary job. Unfortunately, those jobs are rapidly being displaced by image generating AI.
The artists that are getting laid off by the companies Are the same artists that do composition and Fine Art. And No, we never got paid well. We also weren't doodling - even though there is nothing wrong with doodling, and it is an essential practice technique. Art is a difficult and challenging profession. It requires grueling hours of practice and study. I find it's this exact attitude from software engineers and their perception of Artists as being a large part of the problem with AI. They have no idea what our professions are like, and yet they think they can speak on it and even attempt to replace it. Artists aren't on a different realm. Art is just as varied a profession as any other, with the need for people at all levels and skillsets like any other. But which is so little understood by people outside because of the intense saturation of it everywhere.
The Art community absolutely is feeling one of the biggest impacts from AI. All of our small jobs are being eaten up by it, the jobs that allowed us to work as Artists. They have been up in arms since the people programming AI have been doing so on artwork they have skimmed without permission from the internet. There are artists now who are attempting to team up with software engineers to create programs that allow artists to publish images to the web to display their work - something Essential for artists now - while keeping the images safe from AI skimming.
Their jobs are being replaced by AI that have been trained on their work that they are now not being compensated on.
It's just hard to see, because social media is covered in Art, because artists understood that this was the best medium to use to display their art. It's saturation in an enclosed area. But if you look around you, offline, please try and find actual pieces of Fine art that are not prints, scans, or digital - outside of art galleries. They are getting almost impossible to find. And that is a problem.
The starving artist trope isn't one that Artists want. It's what we have to deal with in a world that is increasingly hostile to artists.
@@artofmkd This!! Thank you for speaking on this. You're a lot more knowledgeable on it than I am and I'm only speaking on what I've witnessed as a freelance commission artist (my primary job is at a high school) and from people who used to work for places like Disney and Pixar and other animation studios and have since been let go because of AI generated scripts, images, and voices being used in their fields.
It's not even just visual artists being impacted by AI generation. People are making AI generate a novel and then selling that AI novel on places like Amazon with no transparency on whether they used AI or not. Authors are getting books _they didn't write_ added to their GoodReads because of people using AI trained off of their books to create these awful stories. Genshin Impact, one of the most successful gacha games out there, has started using AI for their story events and it's obvious they're not going to stop doing that because they make so much profit off of using it without using human jobs to write their stories and scripts instead.
We're living in an age where companies aren't willing to pay people to tell a good story anymore because they make just as much money replacing those jobs with AI generated nonsense. They're willing to sacrifice the integrity of the artistic process just to make a quick buck, and until it _stops_ making them more profit than hiring a real person would, they're not going to stop using it.
if you get acid reflux or heartburn when your sleeping lay on your left side to relieve it. the reason is your food goes into the stomache on the right side so any acid comes back up on the right side as you lay down to sleep. hope this helps people
scar not knowing who queen was made me cry
I was so surprised that was the last thing I expected haha 😭
Elizabeth II ?
no, the band
@@emdoeslife1355 A band named Queen? Wouldn't it be Queens?
@@schmingbeefin4473idk thats just what its called
59:13 Bdubs i totaly get where you are coming from. but the worry for us artists its not that AI will make better art than us, we are worried it will make cheaper art than us.
Especilay we are worried of the people who manage the money and have limited knowlege of art that make the decitions will rather buy a licence than to hire an artist. THATS the real concern.
I'll be honest - I don't really care for Disney or amusement parks. But the passion and knowledge you show while talking about this makes me so excited. I could listen to you explain all the different technologies for ages and be actually really interested in it. You have a gift, Scar.
I have zero interest in Disney or Star Wars but I find Scar's rants really fascinating. I have so much random knowledge about a subject I otherwise wouldn't know or care about.
I despise Disney (I’m so sorry Scar) and Star Wars is meh (I am so so sorry Scar 😭) but I’ll literally sit and listen to Scar rant about it for hours and get excited with him for things I don’t even understand lol
From a learning artist.
Hey Scar, can you please tell Bdubs that 'being better than AI' is not the problem with it. the problem artist have with ai is that big companies don't care about quality, so they are fine with replacing real artist with ai (aswell as paying artist less, to the point where they struggle to feed there families).
12:00 ish - I started using a cane at 23 and my college classmates thought it was the coolest thing 😂 it was a very generic one, but somehow people really vibed with it! The most important thing is that it helps you out, and the nice thing about canes and crutches is that you can "accidentally" whack people with them 🤷♀️ Don't let the world get you down! I can 100% guarantee you (as a fellow mobility aid user) that while some people will judge you, there are at least as many people that will look at you and see you rocking that cane, and either 1) think it's cool or 2) think it's cool and realise it can help them too, and then you'll be their inspiration!
Anyway, enough rambling.
Haven't been able to catch a stream yet but am very happy watching the vods! Thanks for what you do Scar!
What Bdubs said about AI art is totally right. We artists should strive to improve ourselves to the point we're not intimidated by AI.
But what artists take issue about AI is that our opinion doesn't matter. You can't do art for a living if the customers don't have that same idea that art is better when it comes from human touches. We generally don't make a living out of art exclusively from other artists supporting ourselves, we make a living out of non-artists who happens to want to pay for arts, and what general audience sees as "good art" matters way more to artists than everything if you want to survive doing art.
If AI art gets normalized further, newcomer artists who are still striving to improve will have no job to take to make a living. Art career will be no more in the next decade or so if you can only make money from art after you've already become top tier and well known artists.
It's good to be hopeful and on the bright side but the doomsayers have a point when they want to spread the awareness of the harmful threat generative AI is making as much as they can, because if the general audience becomes totally accepting of gen AI, we all are done. No art work field in the future.
Bare with me because this is gonna sound stupid initially, but unless you're a capitalism shill, there shouldn't be an art work field to be fair, in the most optimistic way possible. People should be doing art because they love to and enjoy it, not because they have to to keep food on their table and a roof over their head. I'm not saying people losing their jobs to AI is a good thing, I'm saying it shouldn't matter if they do overall, but humans suck so that world probably will never exist.
But honestly they are being extraordinarily naive and like they haven't seen what AI art can do. It might not be there yet, but it has a much higher limit then the human brain.
@@SabsWhyTho No it doesn't have a 'higher limit'. That's just tosh.
AI is just a digital version of 'millions of monkeys with typewriters' in the end. It can't 'create'.
@@Jokie155 That is absolutely copium. If humans are still alive and have a functioning society in a hundred years art will only be a hobby because there will be no value in paying for something a computer could do to a higher quality quicker. Hopefully society will be in a place where it isn't necessary to be able to sell art.
@SabsWhyTho I feel like it's the same thing as streamers/ RUclips. They would be all hobbyists without the millions of people that support them. If they all are hobbyists, we would get less high budget productions and it would return to 2010 RUclips. Enjoyable in a way but we wouldn't get things like hermitcraft. Same with art. Without the general public supporting artists, we wouldn't get as many beautiful pieces. So I hope AI doesn't replace the art market so that we continue to get so many beautiful art pieces from amazing artists.
I believe other comments addressed the artist side of the AI dispute but I'll talk about the writer's worry about it. I'm a writer and I specialize in novels and short stories. It takes me on average 3-5 months to write, edit, review and finish a short story and a novel can take up to 5 or 6 years. AI can do what I do in minutes, and then needs about 5 minutes to go through editing and making it ready to publish. So basically now you have writing on an assembly track which makes it way more affordable for publishing companies to do; it's more profitable to print out 10 mediocre works than 1 good one. It creates such unhealthy competition that in about 10 years it could completely squeeze out human writers out of the market. It's all regurgitated content, it's all a remake of something else and yes, a lot of what humans write is also regurgitated content but the difference is that people can add spins to content in infinitely different perspectives; AI struggles to do that. But AI is just a tool, I know this. The issue is it's a tool for capitalist megalomaniacs to gut all joy out of art for profit. If AI is left unmonitored you'll have art being done by robots and answering pointless emails being done by humans.
3:39 "This is a proper angle to see my bu.. my base" lol
this should be a horn
As someone who has never had any interest in Disney or star wars listening to scar rant it one of my favorite things to listen to, keep being you scar ❤❤❤
1:23:37 - I was in the UK for the first time in my life... the week after the Queen passed. I was at a restaurant one day during that trip and they announced they were doing 2 minutes of silence
"I see a little silhouetto of a man
SCARamouche, SCARamouche, will you Fan Tango?
Thunderbolt and lightning, very, very frightening me
(Galileo) Galileo, (Galileo) Galileo, Galileo Figaro, magnifico
Xisumavoid
But I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
He's just a poor boy from a poor family
Spare him his life from this monstrosity"
- Queen!
Scar plz watch Bohemian Rhapsody (film)
The bad morning turning around because of Scar is so true, this guy is magic or something lol
Disney Park Talk: One of the big issues I have with the current direction is that they are focusing so hard on bringing the movies into the park. Disneyland wasn't always just a "ride the movie" park. They had lands that didn't appear anywhere in films, they were just fantastic lands. They used to take rides and turn them into movies, now it's all the other direction.
The "just be better than the AI" mindset is so frustrating. It doesn't matter how good your art is. Companies will always choose cheep over good, and profit over people. People are losing work right now becase of it.
If someone can just type words into a box and generate something for free in minutes or even seconds, vs paying a real artist a fair price and then waiting for the artist to spend actual time creating something - what are a lot of people going to choose?. And that AI image is derivative and plagiarised from a real artist who trained for years, and spent many hours on a piece of art, only for it to bestolen and fed into an algorythm.
The amount of giggles in this stream made my heart so happy
58:24 Bdubs I get what you are trying to say but you are wrong about *why* artists feel 'threatened' by generative AI. It's not because we view AI as better than us, that is not the case at all. It is the fact that it is profiting off of our work, we are being exploited. We are seeing in real time companies choose AI over human artists because it is quicker and cheaper. "Let's be better artists!" If we get better, so does AI, our work is not going to suddenly not be trained on because we've gotten better, quite the contrary. AI is not "competition", its fundamental purpose is to replace us and steal our jobs which it already has.
Our problem with AI is the ethical problems. Beyond it ripping us off and profiting off of us, it is also a huge environmental concern. The carbon footprint of training a singular AI model is exponential.
Generative AI will be a problem until it is regulated and the models that currently exist are purged.
Scar getting Lilo and Stitch mixed up is so funny to me lmao
Scar is a troll 😂 he knows better. That's why he can't keep a straight face.
The day Freddy Mercury passed my sister and I cried. The man was an icon. Fun video Scar hanging out with Bdubs, Tango and X. I found a Mace Density book in an abandoned mineshaft cart yesterday. Not just in the Trial Chambers.
Rip Freddy o7.
And yeah, its only wind burst thats unique to chambers
Me too… absolutely devestated.
hearing scar and bdubs rage together about the mipmap issue was so funny
As someone who is short and have been my entire life, I have never related more with Bdubs. “I feel no humor; I’m not mad.” Yeah.
We need a podcast of scar and bdoubles ranting and bringing other herments in to rant with them
Scar just put a lightning rod in the fire tree so anytime it lightnings it hits the tree.
I was active on a poetry site. I bought memberships for two people I met on it. There are contests, one of those people started winning tons of them. The other person noticed a shift in their writing and discovered they were using AI. Without being familiar with previous writes, it was undetectable. It pretty much broke me from being active on the site. Also stung a bit that I'd bought this person a membership.
59:10 Bdubs I get where you are coming from but the worry about AI is not that it is better, it’s that it’s stealing art from human artists with no compensation or consent and then generates an image with those stolen pieces, taking away money and exposure from those hardworking talented artist who made the art in the first place.
1:44:58-somehow I don't think Bdubs is smiling
"I dont know what wizardry this is but I approve so hard"
We all agree with ya Tango!
1:45:09
Edit: Btw, 1:27:20 Yes Bdubs, it is a pyramid scheme
Actually the idea that humans are supposed to be on all fours is pretty much wrong. Our heads are aligned to look forwards when on two legs- try looking around on all fours and you have to strain your neck to hold your eyes up. Our spines are s-shaped cones instead of c-shaped rods. The base of the spine is much thicker to support our weight. Our legs are angled for balancing, our knees lock, ect,
Mine out the back of Grian's build then leave a sign that he needs to build a back
Ooooh that's wonderfully evil
I love Bdubs and Scar interactions sm
19:10 Am I the only one who is super confused by this? What has this little blue extraterrestrial done to Scar? I need to know the lore behind this.
This probably won't be much help, but I'll just say I joined after the lore too, and all I really know is that it is so ridiculously funny how much he hates it sometimes that I've just given up searching for the moment. Fun fact, Scar put together a Stitch Lego and put on goggles and oven mitts because he said it was toxic, not sure what stream it was but I'm pretty sure it's season 10
war crimes are not to be spoken of
ive been watching his streams for over a year now and i still dont know
46:56 I always thought that the word drip came from an outfit being “fire” and then adding diamonds (ice) would cause the fit to be so hot the ice would melt. Resulting in drip. But I could just be completely wrong
16:02 Swords are probably not legal :( that's why you keep it hidden in your cane
Congrats on the new head set scar!
Bdubs, like a true american, decided that subscriptions would be better if only they were more like the stock market!
Because famously nothing bad ever happens to the stock market.
It’s a crime we couldn’t see bdubs face during the height thing.
i feel like tango is wearing a tango head, lol. he seems to be a tad taller than scar also
1:38 - I'm pillowless for about 6 years now. I use a second, smaller blanket instead.
In Hotels i kinda have to use a pillow and i hate it.
While I agree with most of the takes on AI, I must say that the idea of being threatened by AI making you a bad artist is incredibly toxic. It's basically a Just World fallacy and bootstrap mentality combined, blaming the person for 'not being good enough' instead of acknowledging the various other factors at play. There are more things wrong with that point, but I don't have the mental fortitude to coherently lay them all out, so I'll leave it at this.
It’s really all a paradigm for current capitalism. Any ceo should feel as threatened as any artist, or any job… should our current capitalist model stay. Ethically; industry that adopts ai should support universal basic income.
When computer graphics first came out and particularly autocad, many people trained to do graphics by hand using pencil and rulers were out of work. Even if they trained to do autocad, there were no longer nearly as many jobs because the same graphics could be done many times faster. Rescaling and rotating images was rendered nearli instantly. Yet ultimately autocad is a good thing.
They announced that Monsters Inc is taking over animation courtyard and providing a larger place for pixar movies
"I'm dripped out" - Bigmam Bdubs 😎
Joined in the middle of this stream. Bdubs height with tango was so funny 😂
I keep hoping for a Bdubs/Scar building collab this season!!
It’s the first day of school for me tomorrow and I’m not looking forward to it in the slightest, but this made me feel better :)
I know it’s not now, and seems forever away, but the first day of school will soon be twenty years ago. Although they directly influence you now, no one you know now will directly influence you when you are independent and mature.
This is my fav RUclips channel of all time!! Scar, you are the absolute best!!!
In regards to Bdub’s AI rant, that logic is what’s been taught to me in my college computer science course! In order to get a job we have to code better than AI. With art though, it is different, because companies care very little about things like stealing (which AI does) or making things look as good as they could
Yes and the programmers will logically figure out how to add value in an AI world.
However, artists by their nature are mostly going to be very dramatic about it. 😂😂
@@nightburrito9283 :(
The problem isn't that AI will be able to create "artwork" better than actual artists; the issue is that some companies will use mediocre "artwork" that's cheaper and less time-consuming than it would take to pay an artist, leaving artists without jobs or finding it much more difficult to get jobs as a commercial artist. It's also an issue of AI image generation stealing and replicating existing artwork/art styles without any regulation.
Some businesses might choose to hire real artists, but many larger businesses especially are finding ways to maximize their profit without any consideration for human connection or soul. While having some regulations will help with this, we also just need to spread the awareness of how AI currently impacts artists and be weary of how it could in the long term as well, because while Bdubs was well-meaning and I understand where he's coming from, he also doesn't appear to understand the full situation and why artists are concerned. It's not necessarily about skill level; although I could see AI making it harder for especially newer artists to get their foot in the door of commercial art, and it could deincentivise some to hone their craft.
That's my take on it anyways, coming from an artist. I was fortunate enough to be able to make some money inbetween school years doing commissions, but I was being commissioned by other artists. I'm going to college for digital art, and I do fear that getting anywhere in the workforce doing something I love (and is one of the few things I'm very good at) will be more difficult than it ever has been before, if not impossible. I'm hopeful, but still concerned about the future of commercial art and AI. There will still people who value real art, but also plenty who will take the cheaper option. It's not something we should ignore if we value art at all.
@@mamba6972 you said it far better than I!! I am also an artist, but tried adding a comp sci perspective to this all. I agree with what u said :))
@@Selestium_ I appreciate that! I wish my computer science prof had talked about AI; I think we may have had half a lecture about it and that was it.
Just a thought, bud, but Fire is rooted to the ground but Lightening is rooted to the sky. If you do a lightning strike, where's it start, how does the light affect the surrounding trees, what about collateral debris? The fire tree is so perfect right now.
Thanks for uploading your vods Scar!! I can never catch your streams live & I love being able to watch them! ^_ ^
bdubs being shorter than scar and tango had me laughing so much when i realised 😆
Eli Lulu lemon sounds like a wonderful dinosaur movie ngl
"going by the title, we're gonna be doing some landscaping" he in fact did not do some landscaping
AI art equals free/cheap art for any commercial purposes and artists won't be able to sell actual art
1:08:10 Magic Kingdom is my favorite of the parks I’ve been to. It has the ambiance and set design that is so immersive, you can’t help but enjoy yourself. My least favorite: MGM as it feels lifeless and there’s nothing that seems to continue on through the years. I visited all the Disney World parks and 14 years apart MGM felt like a completely different (lifeless) place both times
59:50 that seems really insensitive :/
Artists can’t outcompete cheap “AI art” when the corporations literally don’t care about the human touch.
I would love to know the Hermit that was opposed to the conveyor belts of Tango's.
a power of 2, basically the result of mutipling 2 by 2 N times
like 2, 4 (2x2), 8 (2x2x2), 16(2x2x2x2)
love this trio
46:18 bdubs moment!
That thing about subscription stock market is pretty wild to hear, we should know why that's a bad idea instinctively at this point.
People already get value from supporting their favorites because they want them to continue exist and improve, but with the current state of mass wealth inequality world over, many people feel they cant afford to support their favorites (me included), mixing artificial profit motives would just lead to exploiting some of those vulnerable people.
And no as far as AI goes, competition is not good, it does not breed innovation and it does not make better artists, people strive to get better all the time with for no other reason because they want to be better.
Kind of also hate AI because the last thing this planet needs is another resource and energy hungry service that further ruins the planet. It's fine for the most important research fields, but outside that...
1:13:00 all this cupcake talk has me craving one, ngl 🧁👀
Belated Happy Birthday Scar!!!! We love you!!!!
your river needs a beaver dam
I don’t understand, why is the cylinder of water bad? What is it that looks bad? I guess this is a testament to how great Joe is about dealing with stuff. 52:26
Glad to hear you love Sword in the Stone, Scar, as it's my favorite Disney film and get tired of seeing elsewhere when people review/rank Disney movies, they tend to always put it low.
Bdubs is still the most handsome Hermitcraft player.
Also, do you talk about anything other than Disney?
You're quite optimistic about the future of the relationship between AI and art, not sure I share it after having worked in the industry for a while. It all comes down to what we really mean by words like "soul" or "human element" or whatever. I tend to think increasing algorithmic complexity and computing power is the real danger here. Maybe one day we'll be able to simulate a neural network with a 100 quadrillion synapses like the brain does and what happens then is anyone's guess. The distinction between humans and machines may blur heavily at that point.
Sorry if this idea has already been shared, but I think instead of building a static lightning bolt over the fire tree, it would be more fun to stick a lightning rod near the top of it. That way you get actual lightning when there is a storm! Get some movement and variability in your art :)
You can force Anti Aliasing with Nvidia settings I believe.
Robert was but Iron man was killed off now he's slotted as Dr doom.
I think Disney itself needs a sequel.
How did I know Scar only knew Queen because of the Mighty Ducks, lol
For some reason I didn’t get the ping?!? I have been waiting for this rant so rest assured I’m gonna watch this is one go!!
Guys i found the texture causing the issue. Bdub's glasses are a 3 tall texture
nice watching after work this came as i needed to go to work:]
47:29 scar’s face!😂
"Why are you dripping?" 😂😂😂😂
Bdubs knows the Taco Bell Tier List very well I see.
i done my invoices and my chase emails for who haven't paid, vods ftw in the background
does java also have varied player sizes? bedrock definitely have them lol
Did Xisuma do that? Poor bdubs.
Those secret streams are why I’m still a bdubs member lol
so... when you say "please make sure to keep your arms and legs inside the camel", is this strictly a libility issue? hehe
I was on bdubs stream. Bdubs is very good host and streamer. The streaming was fun. BUT the stream is only for the subs who join the group. There is nothing wrong with that. It is just he limits the people who will tune on his stream on time. The subs who join his group are from different country with different time zone. To solve this, he needs to know where the majority of his subs who join his group come from OR make it public stream like technoblade or solidaritygaming.
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1:41:10 oooh i have that too :O doesn't it classify as GERD?
..Okay, making fun of Bdubs afterwards was just rude.
He explained he was now completely numb to the joke, implying you've made fun of him enough to make Bdubs give up on his boundaries; and as he explains he's tired of being excluded from the fun right at his face, you cut him off to keep on excluding him. Then when asking him to repeat, you label it as a "rant" when it's basic respect.
That's petty for a stranger, but cruel for a friend.
omg i was on autoplay and i was waiting for the vod upload wahooo
Bdub creating pyramid schemes out here.
Poor little guy.
59:00 EXACTLY BDUBS!!!!!!! AI cannot replicate human creativity. It just CANNOT. Period. AND NEVER WILL.
Good info that helps people remember about queen that the lead singer died from aids.
The alien lilo
Making lemons from lemonade 😅
Scar, you are an awesome dude. Don't let anyone bully you for your ignorance in music... lol.. Note: I am terrible at knowing songs, bands, and celebrities too. Celebrities more so. With that said, you have a wealth of knowledge about theme parks and Disney that I (along with many) don't have. .... hmmm.... You could troll others with this knowledge and pretend to expect them to know it, because its well known. Yes, yes. This will be good. Strike them down and join the Dark Side of the Hermitcraft server! *Moo-oo-ahahahaha. Moohahaha. Moohahahah
-Evil cow
Look at BDubs with his hot takes.
1:26:44 Whos to say the people who subscribed early wasnt already getting what they wanted out of their "investment"? Eh?
What if they subscribed for what the streamer was doing at that moment?
What if they subscribed for the PERSON instead of the games?
Theyd be getting returns on their investment the momet they subscribed.
You make it sound like people in their early days have little to no value and only grow in value later.
It sounds a bit like you're trying to quantify someones worth by how long they've been doing something, doen't it?
Ducks, ducks, ducks, quack.
I haven’t laugh like that in so long!!!! Why is he tiny!