another psa from kyo【kyo kaneko • nijisanji clips】

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  • Опубликовано: 24 дек 2024

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  • @shukupan_
    @shukupan_  2 года назад +154

    Notes:
    - Timestamps: PSA 1 (prechat) - 0:02 , PSA 2 (tiktok) - 6:24
    - Sorry for no subs again! I dislike not adding them, but it's yet another long clip - I'll be adding English CC when I have time!
    - IDK much about what goes on in prechat, as I've only been in there once, weeks ago but like Kyo said, it did feel odd.
    - TLDR: Just be a decent human being and be respectful. Just respect Kyo, his boundaries and the people who surround him.
    - Once again, don't be parasocial. That's really fucking weird.

  • @luvitory
    @luvitory 2 года назад +439

    im so happy hes finally addressing it because prechat has been a problem since the beginning. just because kyo "cant see it". like its his chat ofc he can 😭😭 it gets so uncomfortable to read. like this is a public chat and i think people literally forget that prechat is still a public chat!

    • @ahaoooa
      @ahaoooa 2 года назад +16

      fr, it boggles me bc these people obviously are in a discord server together wherein they can just talk there. at least in that discord server, people will appreciate their humor which i, ig kyo and other kyomies dont find funny. its great that he's addressing this bc it weeds out the immature people who thinks its an acceptable behavior to talk about nsfw or other weird things in public spaces.

    • @luvitory
      @luvitory 2 года назад +1

      @@ahaoooa they are because i think im in it im just not very active at all lmfao . but yes im glad he did say something cuz it was even funny it just made everyone and their mother uncomfortable

  • @oarfish5225
    @oarfish5225 2 года назад +165

    It’s kind interesting that when ppl first discover JP streamers and see the rules like “No talking in pre-chat” they think it’s super excessive, but then even EN vtubers end up addressing the same issues lol
    But yes go off king

  • @aramondehasashi3324
    @aramondehasashi3324 2 года назад +113

    The more I see of Kyo calling this stuff out the more I like him. I like people who keep it real and layout what us bothering them.

  • @chyuame
    @chyuame 2 года назад +247

    People are really in too deep when they think they can start talking shit about other people as some sort of superiority complex about their oshi as if their oshi aren't gonna think they're weird no-lifers. Like people joke about touching grass a lot but by god these people need to start forming actual meaningful human connections instead of going on tiktok to brew up some nonexistent drama because they're THAT bored of their life they start doing that shit to people who don't even know you. Glad Kyo is very open about it. If he lost his shit I wouldn't even be mad lol

    • @SleepyRue
      @SleepyRue 2 года назад

      Ikr ot's like wow they are this bored like they reallyneed to touch some grass

  • @Sergei_Nohomo
    @Sergei_Nohomo 2 года назад +87

    It is so wild that the way I’ve been introduced to Kyo or heard him speak a full sentence has now been two clips of this man’s dealing with drama or some shit, he seems like a rad dude and I hope he doesn’t lose to much sleep over it I’ll look for some funny clips to get the fun stuff this guy does cuz he seems cool.

    • @shukupan_
      @shukupan_  2 года назад +16

      please do! he's a pretty chill dude, and his personality's refreshing too. i hope you enjoy the other clips that you watch of him! :D

  • @callenreesespuffs
    @callenreesespuffs 2 года назад +198

    Kyo's milk must be good bc that backbone is steel 💪

    • @RotheAlien
      @RotheAlien 2 года назад +42

      "Kyo's milk" 💀
      But yes I'm glad he addressed the problems, even tho you could hear him being a little anxious about it

    • @callenreesespuffs
      @callenreesespuffs 2 года назад +19

      @@RotheAlien naaaah help i just realized 💀

    • @RotheAlien
      @RotheAlien 2 года назад

      @@callenreesespuffs happens to the best of us o7

  • @MinCalm
    @MinCalm 2 года назад +22

    I'm a big fan of the way Kyo addresses stuff like this.

  • @ZenithintheMaking
    @ZenithintheMaking 2 года назад +93

    Gesh he was speaking like my principal at school telling us a whole speech lasting until 10:00 while we're all standing up😞

  • @wakipai3D
    @wakipai3D 2 года назад +38

    Im so glad i live under a fucking rock lmao

    • @shukupan_
      @shukupan_  2 года назад

      god i wish that were me

    • @pogpurin
      @pogpurin 2 года назад

      Legit, im so glad i dont have tiktok and twitter, luckily i only hear these things from the streamers and stuff like that

  • @jasper3977
    @jasper3977 2 года назад +59

    So happy this was addressed I stoped going into pre chat because people were being nasty and rude for no reason

  • @lilykimTTVOD
    @lilykimTTVOD 2 года назад +35

    This is why I only drop a HI emots to a prechat, click notify me, and then never come back until the show actually start. It can be really annoying

    • @mmwangy
      @mmwangy 2 года назад

      Sometimes yes, sometimes they can be really nice and welcoming
      I know because i always on prechat

  • @christinec1232
    @christinec1232 2 года назад +27

    I’m so baffled at the lack of respect when it comes to boundaries from these “fans” and putting the other livers down doesn’t make them look better. You can have your favorites without putting down other livers. I definitely have my favorites but putting down the other livers is the last thing I want to do.

  • @its_myo
    @its_myo 2 года назад +90

    do people not know that he can see it? just because he isnt actively participating doesnt mesn he doesnt see it.

  • @chokeolatte
    @chokeolatte 2 года назад +11

    I have always made it a habit to ignore tf out of chat whenever I watch vods or streams, but if it can be a little less annoying whenever I accidentally read it, it'll be great! Good job, Kyo!

  • @alizathepirate
    @alizathepirate 2 года назад +13

    i've seen those tiktoks, they're so unashamed with bringing down other vtubers and using kyo's face/reactions in them to show that he doesn't like them or something! And what's worse as those videos are on Kyo's main tags, so literally if any random person searches Kyo on tiktok you'll see those weird videos, it's actually so parasocial and toxic and weird.

  • @ribps289
    @ribps289 2 года назад +138

    I used to compare creators too.
    Back in 2013 I compared Arin John and Danny from Game Grumps constantly. I didn't realize how mean it was. Everyone said that John or Dan carried the show by being so funny and cool, and calling Arin the worst one. Arin ended up developing an inferiority complex towards his friends, he started to believe that his friends were indeed funnier and better than him, and became jealous. Of course he got over it with time and maturity (and therapy) but let's not do to ILuna what we did to Arin.

  • @justrememberwhenusawme
    @justrememberwhenusawme 2 года назад +38

    the vasel(ine) got cancelled from her OWN oshi how sad

    • @emminerd
      @emminerd 2 года назад +7

      I’m waiting for the video it will be posted because of this 😂

    • @cindyluu8523
      @cindyluu8523 2 года назад

      Love how we all know who it is

    • @coddy_6987
      @coddy_6987 2 года назад +13

      @@emminerd On her alt acc she said “if he were talking about me specifically i would have gotten sued by anycolor” and that she doesn’t care about what he said so she’s gonna keep doing it anyways 😒

    • @user-wk8bs3ko5b
      @user-wk8bs3ko5b 2 года назад +3

      @@coddy_6987 may i ask who is she ?what are they talking about on prechat ?

    • @vem4510
      @vem4510 2 года назад +2

      @@coddy_6987 Im p sure you only get sued by anycolor if you reveal any of the livers personal info, so,,,, But I think we know who kyo was directing this at still.

  • @lolersthe4th880
    @lolersthe4th880 2 года назад +35

    It's unfortunate that Kyo has to deal with feeling that he's being used as a figure head to demean his own friends/coworkers. I dunno what possess people to think they should be trying to insert themselves into their lives. Like, you can come celebrate my birthday, but you don't get to decide who's at the party. Never thought that was something that I'd ever need to materialize into words, but I guess there really are people out there that have 0 idea about concept of boundaries.

  • @pogpurin
    @pogpurin 2 года назад +7

    Honestly i feel the same about any prechat for niji streamers (maybe not all and idk about streamers outside of niji) but sometimes it makes me feel uncomfortable and it feels like a lot of us are being left out by not wanting to join in with weird conversations, and as if we are all on the same wavelength, when its just kind of wierd and shouldnt be said/moved on from. Some people overshare, sometimes its just random for the sake of random, and sometimes those random things can be really off putting.
    What kyo said about it saying its almost like a groupchat where people cant join in, i 100 percent agree.
    I often stay away from prechats because i feel weirdly excluded even when i dont want to participate in it haha.
    Im glad someone has said something about prechat etiquette
    Some prechats are funny and you can join in, but also i think people treating it like a groupchat where you can just say anything and pick and choose who to talk to, i think that isnt the best
    Remember even if you think the streamer cant see it, so many of them have said they see prechat so they most likely can, as well as the public and other viewers.

  • @teal2111
    @teal2111 2 года назад +49

    Why does he have to address this shit a 2nd time? He's just here to provide entertainment.. and that doesn't mean shitting on other livers. Honestly, those that are busy enough don't have time to create silly, shitty, pointless, tiring old dramas.. whoever these are got too much time on their hands.. get a life outside of the internet.

  • @floribi5712
    @floribi5712 2 года назад +7

    Thank youuu!! this is really important for the comunity

  • @Numphie
    @Numphie 2 года назад +12

    Glad hes speaking abt this bc everytime i scroll tiktok nowadays theres always those type of nijisanji fan tiktok and its so annoying 💔

  • @aki_4191
    @aki_4191 2 года назад

    Thanks for the clip shukupan!
    I tried to get in pre-chat before but they were talking sth that is too comfortable for strangers. I'm glad Kyo brings these things out directly and clearly for him and for us too

  • @darwinson-chan
    @darwinson-chan 2 года назад +10

    I've been seing those creators a lot on tiktok, probably bc of this wave of canceling all vtuber for whatever the hell reason to the point of start blocking some kyo's fan account and what makes me kinda of sad is that this is what happens to fanbases in general: a small group of people make too much noise and suddenly ppl have a stereotype for a certain fanbase. Happens with genshin, its starting to happen on PJsekai and also the vtuber fanbase.
    And again, remember the streamers are real ppl and PLZ DONT CANCEL. Talking bout cancel culture bc its happening way too much on vtubers speacially on tiktok, reddit and twitter.
    Ppl been canceling vtubers sometimes for just saying they like an anime etc.
    And THE WORSE case for canceling on cc i think is when the person WHO DONT EVEN KNOW REALLY THE STREAMER tries to say what they are or not confortable when they are mostly around friends. Like, dont cancel on content creator that is friends with other bc you think they made one another uncomfortable, if they really were THEY ARE ADULTS WHO CAN TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES AND TALK WITH EACH OTHER to solve it by themselves. By canceling ppl bc of this you may just make them unconfortable around their own friends.
    I myself like to discuss things and think we should always change for the better, but i am getting sick on how people on the internet think that hatred is the solution for everything they dont agree. Glad that some vtubers are fine rn and dont get too bothered with all the drama and canceling things, but this idea of "im sending hate to hold accountable" got way too out of hand.

  • @aksilirator59
    @aksilirator59 2 года назад +8

    Ty for this clip!

  • @_mariri
    @_mariri 2 года назад +28

    Subbing the tiktok portion, so the latter~ Figured it would be nice for me to keep on hand in case anyone wants to discuss it with the user we know he's probably talking about. Please lmk if I made any mistakes or should delete the comment! Starting from 6:24.
    "I'm just going to address everything now that's been bothering me, because listen, I feel too shitty to lie, okay? Alright. This is another thing, this- listen, this ain't got nothing to do with most of y'all, okay? This is maybe, like, 10 people. Okay? But a different type of people from the prechat people, okay? I want to talk about - and I know a lot of streamers will not talk about this, but me personally? Okay? Me personally, chat, I need to saying "me personally," but, me personally! This bothers the shit out of me and I already addressed this once, but I'm going to say it again in case the people that weren't here last time when I addressed it are here."(I couldn't make that part out well lol) "And I'll be more specific this time, too. So I was a bit more vague.. So I'm gonna talk about TikTok. And I wanna say: I am tired of you guys - the people that are doing this, like I said, the majority of you guys in here, there are what, 1,500 of you? Like 99.9% of you guys are not doing this. Majority of the people here are not doing this, I want to reinforce this - do not feel that this is targeted at you, I just wanna say this into the void, so if it does apply to anyone they get the message and they stop doing this. I am tired of being used as people's pawn on TikTok to shit on my friends. Okay? I'm cool with everyone within Nijisanji. I have no beef with anyone. Literally no one. I do not have any personal beef with anyone, okay? - and I would not say this if I did. I would just say, like.. I would say I'm on speaking terms with everyone if I was just on speaking terms. But I'm, like, deadass cool with everyone, okay? Like, I would literally, I would like.. talk to anyone, I would collab with anyone - I don't give a fuck, they're all cool to me, okay? I'm definitely closer to some people but you know, with 26 people that happens. I think I've been seeing a lot of videos on TikTok that are people that either use me as like- they put me on a pedestal saying like "oh my oshi Kyo is like, you know, he's good and he's better than everyone else! Like, fuck the rest of them, like he's so unproblematic and your liver is problematic!" Here's my opinion - I honestly don't think anyone within Nijisanji is that problematic. So if you're trying to use me as, like, the pillar of unproblematicness? Um, I don't think anyone that you think is problematic in Niji is problematic either. So honestly, by saying that, I should be on the same level as them, right? So, by that logic, *stop using me to bring them down.* Because I have no quarrels with the way anyone in my company, or in my like, group is conducting themselves right now. I have no quarrels with them - I am fine with it, okay? I'm not gonna say I endorse it cuz I'mma be honest, I don't know what everyone's doing specifically, okay? Like, I don't keep up with everyone like that - but I do not have a problem with it. 'Kay? So I do not like you guys using me as the face of your videos trying to bring others down - or your posts trying to bring others down. I am not the standard, I don't wanna be the standard, I didn't ask to be the standard, and I don't wanna be the "unproblematic one" that people use to bring down specifically people in ILUNA, okay? This is getting really annoying. Like, I even feel like sometimes my genmates don't even want to collab with me because of how everyone conducts themselves in regards to them. And it's literally, like, not like they've- no one has said this to me specifically, but I feel this way because if I were them I would feel that way. Like, they have never said anything about me like this. Ever. We've talked about it and I've been like 'yo, I think this is a problem' and they're like 'yeah, I noticed that too.' I brought it up but I felt like I don't want the way people conduct themselves regarding me with my friends makes them not wanna collab with me. And like I said, don't blame them because they have never turned down a single collab from me. I've organized the past two ILUNA collabs and no one said no. Okay? What I'm saying is.. If it gets to a point where you guys are making it to a point where people are uncomfortable around me, I'm gonna be upset. And I'm telling you right now, I never want it to get to that point and so, I think I'm- I'm done being the face of whatever 'expose videos' or shit you wanna do. Stop using me for that. Like, straight up. Stop. And I know, like, normally we're supposed to @ - like, most people don't address drama, and like, I don't really think this is drama cause I'm not really in a controversy. This isn't anything in specific, this is like, in general. I just don't want - and this isn't targeted at one specific account, either, cause I don't - I'mma be honest, I don't really keep up with TikTok too much. I've just seen it enough to where I know, like, people seem to be putting me on some sort of pedestal in terms of like, Reddit - whether it's Reddit or some other forums, TikTok, Twitter, like.. indirect mentions.. like, all over different platforms, I see people try to use me to bring down like, ILUNA or .. I think like, part of it is maybe on me because I tend to, um, have bantering humor with my friends? Um, but that doesn't mean you can talk to my friends the same way I talk to my friends. Once again, I'm gonna keep saying this until I stop seeing it, um.. Stop. Please. And there are gonna be some people that use this, that like dislike me to piss me off that are gonna conduct themselves this way. There's like these fake - what do you call it? - antis that are actually antis of me? Um, but, it's just like.. I see it so much with me and I've never seen it with anyone else in ILUNA where like, people use me to bring them down to the point where it like, upsets me. Because at the end of the day, you're using me to try and justify attacking my friends and I don't condone that. That's it. So, whoever the fuck's doing that, listen - I hope you see this and you stop or if you don't stop just know I don't fuck with you! Like, to be honest, I might be your oshi but I dead don't fuck with you. So.. Hey! If you're fine with me being your oshi and I dead don't fuck with you, that's fine! Like , you know, more power to you but I'm just telling you - me personally - I do not fuck with you. Okay? Like, you can - you can, like I said, you can honestly dislike people in ILUNA? Okay? That's fine, but you don't need to put that out into the public, and if you're gonna put it onto the public, you don't need to use me as the standard for comparing them. Okay? Dislike them on your own, not by comparing them to me. And if you do dislike them, you don't like their content or whatever, that's fine. Just don't watch them. Point blank. Okay? I don't even know why I am like, seen as this, like, standard on TikTok for fucking, uh, ILUNA or on these forums, like.. Like I said, it's fine if you don't like the others, that's reasonable. There's 26 of us for a reason! Because management does not expect you to watch all of us. The whole model of this company is there's enough variety that you can find someone you really really fuck with, which I think is nice. But that doesn't mean if you don't really really fuck with someone, you need to use someone you do really really fuck with to compare them or put them down. Okay, I don't really think the whole 'fandom wars' is like- should be a thing. Because no liver is cool with that. No one wants their fans to think they're superior or fight with other fans, like- it's just dumb, okay? At the end of the day, we're all cool with each other behind the scenes, and we would want our viewers to all be cool with each other. And if they're not, you don't have to fight with the others! Like, you know what I'm saying? It's- it's that easy! And when you do need to discuss it, okay, do it in private. Like, don't do it in fucking.. the void. I swear to god, every time I see another TikTok expose video using my face as like, some puppet, okay? I lose like, 10 HP points. Okay? Like, y'all gotta chill out. [I couldn't make this part out] - other livers to protect your oshi is the dumbest shit? Yeah, I agree! And I'm not used to this being a thing, cause, not gonna lie back when I was a RUclips editor and stuff like that? Ain't nobody had a problem with, like, my friends, right? So now that people do, it's a little different and I'm like, trying to be respectful about it, um.. at the end of the day, bro, if you use me to shit on my genmates, fuck you. That's it, okay? I'm tired of seeing that shit. And I'm tired of my genmates feeling like you guys don't like them, because that's dumb, you know? Hello(?), Shoto, I'm trying to, okay? But like, it, bro, it seems like I'm the face of this shit for whatever reason specifically for my group and I'm telling all y'all weirdos that I don't fuck with that."

    • @shukupan_
      @shukupan_  2 года назад

      you are a blessing omg thank you sm for the transcription!! 💙

    • @_mariri
      @_mariri 2 года назад +1

      @@shukupan_ No worries! I figured it would be a pain for you and I had the time lol 💙

  • @ismahirwandy4990
    @ismahirwandy4990 2 года назад +57

    we all know which tiktoker hes talking about

    • @inner8371
      @inner8371 2 года назад +3

      Which one?

    • @Momocham23
      @Momocham23 2 года назад +12

      That 16 yrs old genshiner? Lol

    • @callenreesespuffs
      @callenreesespuffs 2 года назад

      Now im curious but i dont have tiktok 🥲

    • @yuukita2968
      @yuukita2968 2 года назад

      @@Momocham23 lol like fr?

    • @Akane040
      @Akane040 2 года назад +8

      Vasel was their name or smth?

  • @nyankop7
    @nyankop7 Год назад

    WHO WANTED TO EAT TOES IN PRE CHAT WHAT THE HELL

  • @gali_1eoyt
    @gali_1eoyt 2 года назад +20

    is been so long since i last catch a prechat, what did they've been doing that kyo had to adress???

    • @shukupan_
      @shukupan_  2 года назад +11

      Just.. generally being kind of weird? I don't hang around in prechat, but I'm going to assume it's about questionable (read: odd) stuff & making others feel a little unwelcome, based on Kyo's words.

    • @K.K_artS
      @K.K_artS 2 года назад +13

      toe talks and some other weird shit. i don't hang around pre-chat i just pop in to say hi and do something else and i mostly watch vods but even there they r some left over comments saying weird shit or praying tht kyo didn't see them. i hope they stop

    • @its_myo
      @its_myo 2 года назад +3

      idk either i used to be in pre-chat but stopped because my schedule got fuller so im missing more streams and havent been in prechat for a while now

    • @ItsCHONCC
      @ItsCHONCC 2 года назад +4

      I just saw glimpse but I think some of them are talking about toe? toe nails? selling toe nails?

    • @its_myo
      @its_myo 2 года назад +4

      @@ItsCHONCC i want to clean my eyes with bleach now. 💀

  • @hoktauri
    @hoktauri 2 года назад +1

    I usually avoid vtuber chat, I'm not down with how weirdly thirsty it is.

  • @emilianotype-g6877
    @emilianotype-g6877 2 года назад

    Mad respets

  • @vxxiii4160
    @vxxiii4160 2 года назад

    Based

  • @Uuboowo
    @Uuboowo Год назад

    What's prechat mean?

  • @unnamedxx
    @unnamedxx 2 года назад

    I don’t understand why people think the streamers can’t see prechat. It’s a PUBLIC space where ANYONE can see it. It’s mad weird, unnecessary and uncomfortable to talk about that weird sexual and out of pocket stuff. There are discord servers you can join if you wanna do that kind of shit. Stop being weird with these cringey ass 2018 tumblr/twitter jokes.
    I really respect Kyo for being one of the NijiEN livers who see a problem and immediately call it out instead of just sweeping it under the rug.

  • @Double_Cheeseburger
    @Double_Cheeseburger 2 года назад +1

    I don’t go to kyos chats. What’s wrong with people memeing about toes?

    • @shukupan_
      @shukupan_  2 года назад +7

      meme-ing about it once in a while is fine, but when the joke gets dragged on and used beyond belief while also making other people uncomfortable, that's when a line needs to be drawn, ya know?

  • @silverdandylmao
    @silverdandylmao 2 года назад +3

    Fr tho, Kyo isn't any drama, and that's okay! He's just a funny guy yaknow? But its not an excuse to put other down for it. People can be so weird sometimes!

  • @vtuplus3192
    @vtuplus3192 2 года назад +2

    I've always thought stuff like this needs to be in moderacy. Sometimes random is funny, if it's at least a little relevant to something in the community. People take it too far though and shoot super far for left field, and it gets a little weird for the masses (and even some people involved, lets be real). Just learn to make witty jokes or ask how peoples days are instead of saying MMM TOES YUMMM **drool emote**. For sure not most people but it IS a loud majority in the community and, imo, one of my least favorite parts about it. Really makes us all look like preteens.

  • @PeanutButterfly92
    @PeanutButterfly92 2 года назад +8

    It's funny to me that they're people who actually thought Kyo doesn't see prechat, because in the fan groups I'm in everyone knows that our oshis are always watching 👀.
    But on a more serious note, I just want to add to what Kyo's saying. Which is please remember that every streamer and their fan base are different. So although they all may have similar chat guidelines posted in their description, there may be some unwritten rules that unique to that liver that are not posted. For example: There's one liver I know who likes seeing lots of people using emotes/emojis in their chat, because to them a fast chat is a happy and engaged chat. Where are there's another liver who doesn't like to see tons of emotes/emojis because they feel like it drowns out what others want to say when there is too many of them.
    This also goes for everyone's prechat. Some prechat are okay with cursed or sussy stuff, others are not. And even when they are okay with it, there's usually a threshold point.
    Tldr: Don't assume what's okay in one prechat is okay in another. If you're new to a prechat, try to read the room, okay? Or just ask about it 'cause no one's gonna judge.

  • @saaya1270
    @saaya1270 2 года назад +5

    TikTok kids lmao

  • @noble_wine2051
    @noble_wine2051 2 года назад +1

    Welcome to the internet kyo. Ob

  • @hate6crew6death6roll
    @hate6crew6death6roll 2 года назад +1

    wait, saying stuff thats out of pocket, questionable and completely random, for the sake of doing it? it honestly sounds like teenagers that have needed this kind of talk from a grown up but never got it, seriously, that would be shit i would have done as a teen in call of duty lobbies (and worse and i regret ever doing it, i now try and make amends, so if your ever playing dead by daylight and see in chat someone say 'good luck' randomly, thats likely me, trying to repent lol ) i stopped acting like that at 15-16 and realized how fuckin stupid i prob sounded and cringed.

  • @PaulinaGnecco
    @PaulinaGnecco 2 года назад +1

    I'm in love guys, a man adressing stuff like this just 😘🤌🏼