I think Roquan and Kyle Van Noy (The 2 vets) should have a players only meeting and pull what Ray and Ed did during their SB run: Ignore some of the plays that Orr calls and make the calls on the field as they see fit! It may get them ran out of Baltimore lol!
Absolutely a coaching issue. Who’s held accountable? Game plan? In Game adjustments? Late game situational play? Those are all coaching mental direction, a sense of KNOW HOW. Harbaugh acting like he has no know how.
Its a GM problem if He'd Draft Players with rhe right traits there would be drastic improvements without any Coaching. Secondary Players must be aggressive hunter gatherers not conservative hesitation artists. GM for sure.
you can’t blame a loss on a dbs not catching picks that most qbs won’t throw to begin with. gifts you shouldn’t have even gotten. turnovers are a bonus, not a strategy for solid defense. terrible take wide open recievers, blown coverages over and over, miscommunication, disorganization, predictability, many underperforming players, failure to play the line of gain..l these are all coaching.
So you saying if they come your way by chance don't catch them just do better on offense because the other things you spoke of make a bigger difference
Why can't you blame a Db on not catching a pick? Last time I check they actually practice this during practice. One of the main jobs for a defensive line is to apply pressure to a QB, so he can make a mistake and throw a pick..... Hell that's the reasons why we lost Geno Stone, teams like a guys that can go after the ball, every DB can't do it.
Of all the fanbases in the NFL, this is something I would have never expected to come out of the Baltimore Ravens fanbase. The idea that we shouldn't expect game changing play from the defense. That has been the hallmark of what its been to "play like a Raven" on defense for over 20 years. Not just solid defense, but game changing defense. The problem of dropping what should be interceptions is not isolated to this game. It has been all season so far. It's what Lamar was trying to get across to Marlo after the Cowboys game. The team needed to get right.
Folks don’t understand how a pick can change the game. It’s a moral killer when you drop as many picks as we have. If you get picks you stop drives, take away points from a team and give your team a boost and a chance to get more points.
@curtsuneson6161 Punishment?? Wyf. Today's world is insane. No, you don't demote hime for "punishment" lol. You demote hime to put in another DC, and let him do what he's good at. Position coach. It's not punishment. You act like he intentionally did something.
2:39 if we caught half the picks that we dropped on the season we would be a top 15 defense and undefeated That would erase about 40 yards a game and atleast 5-6pts a game. The offense potentially would also have more points and yards. We have dropped at least 2 picks a game on average.
Nothing will happen if the Ravens “fire “ Zach orr, they will make another “in house” hire like usual & continue your struggles & the same bs To fix this team you must go to the root cause of the issue: John Harbaugh ❌
Run. The. Ball. If your defense is weak, keep running the ball to run down the clock, even if the opponent has a better defense. It gives the ravens defense a couple seconds to breathe off the field.
Fire Harbaugh for chosing this dud. No experience. Did Harbad think it would be magic? What was he thinking? Team in the midst of chance to go all the way and old Harbad dashes all the hope with his bafoonamata decision. And no trades from EDC. Top brass has blinders on.
2:40 Lol Sarah you just said what the real problem is, its terrible defense giving up tons of yards with a terrible coordinator. We have a Dc that doesn't know how to do his job that's what the problem is. Why people thinking a guy that never done this job before is not the issue is insane
I get how Sarah and some of the other Raven fans are feeling, but we do have to understand we lost a lot of great players from last years. Let's be real "Geno Stone" would clean up with interception on that brown game, and the front line would be a beast if we had Clowney, Patrick, and the other defensive player that left.... It's not fair to tell Zack, to match the ability of what we had last year, when we don't have the same players.
this might be extremely controversial but I've been saying since last season I think we need to move off Harbaugh and bring in Belichick or a different HC, the come from behind losses are atrocious, he's like the Doc Rivers of the NFL atp and every one else takes blame for the ravens failures whether it's lamar, munkin, or zach and there's one person that rarely gets looked at as "wth are you doing, why isn't your team ready to play/taking their feet off the gas" is it fair? probably not, but we HAD a SB team last year and we HAVE a SB level quarterback, he was the HC through the Joe Flacco era and got one, but I think he hasnt done enough for Lamar in HIS era and that's the one we could win more than just the one in 52's retirement year
The RAVENS have a DC that is playing checkers on a chess board. Zack Orr rightful role on the team should be as an assistant DC. RAVENS need a DC with years of experience. AFRIKAN PROVERB: The young can walk faster, but the elder knows the road.
Bring in Belicheck and they win it all. He could outcoach Reid in a head to head match up with the caliper of this team. Send Johnny boy to LA with his brother.
None of those defenses have this personnel. You lost three players overall only one of which was a full time starter and this is the level of effort they're giving. There are ZERO excuses
He getting double and Zach not moving him around cause when Mike was here he had him line up every where including on the edge it hard to get him going when qb have 2-3 wr consistently open
@ he is not getting double. It’s plenty of film showing and teammates saying the only person getting doubled is Kyle Van Noy. And Zach Orr runs stunts and blitzes to help that bum and nothing works. He got his money now it’s showing.
@@GoddeKnows Are your eyes closed? He should have 3 sacks the rules analyst even said the refs they bad flags on his other two sacks. He is doing his job too, but it's harder when the DC sucks. Everyone at every level is playing worse than last year.
Yes this is Orr's defense and it has been playing below Ravens standard. But losing key pieces like Stone, Clowney and Queen have affected this defense as well. Should some blame be on the front office ?
Crazy thing is yall didn’t do this to Mike McDonald who was equally going through a learning curve when he started and the stats say just that, but we know why you feel comfortable doing this to Orr
Hopefully with a late season bye and time for some nagging injuries to get better and a little bit of time to rest. The team can rejuvenate themselves and make a run for the dance and beyond.
Defense is lackin. However, we lost a lot of coaching power. Orr is not fully seasoned as mac donald which is evident. Orr has access to the same plays that mac had, but knowing when to call em is another skill in itself. The feel and instinct to call the game that mac had is truly an incredible feat.
In the Secondary, Drafting Players that can Catch, Press Man and play average Zone or better is an absolute must. Anything less will show on Gameday everyweek without a doubt. So, the formula for the Defense is relying on combing through Draft Prospects with these Attributes and the final ingredient is can they stay Healthy? Anything less will show in this Scheme. Get word to EDC please and it helps to be 6 feet and up.
Let us give up winning and just be nice to each other and the other teams. Give everyone a trophy to make 'em feel better after the season ends like it did last year. Oh, and by the way, the owner can give all his money away, too. Let's all just share and be woke.
We had basically the same team (minus PQ and Geno Stone) defensively as last year. NO ONE on our defense is playing better than last year. So either everyone got magically worse......or it's the schematics.......I feel Orr's defensive schemes just doesn't play to everyone's strengths
Players dropping the Ball isn't on Coaches its on the General Manager. Each Player can catch two hundred Balls a day and get better its not on Coaching these are Pros. Drafting Players with these traits is the easiest solution and that means not picking someone because He's on the Board but picking for these specific traits. Some of these things can't be Coached up.
Getting worse without Mike is understandable but like it’s not like all the talent went away? We are definitely injured but the amount of miscommunication is inexcusable rn. It feels like a scheme issue (and health issue of course)
"You cant change your defensive system" !?I mean it aint working thats why you gotta change and its not like the players already learnt the system cause they look like they have no clue on the field. Keep repeating the same mistakes is definition of foolishness. Harbaugh is never responsible for anything other than prayers and end of the game speeches.
It is time for a complete coaching overhaul. Harbaugh’s hands are too woven into the this team. He is and will be the team’s biggest detriment. He doesn’t make in game adjustments and that is the reason why we falter in the important games.
Raven's practices are soft in regards to the defensive side of the ball ! All this strutting around and half as speed !!! I've seen the film on practices and the defense is soft in regards to running thru practice ! All these players played college ball, are they that stupid that they forgot the fundamentals on defense!! Totally disgusted that these players are failing and nobody in authority to lead !!!!
Offer Mike McDonald half ownership of the team to get him back. And beg on your knee Steve Biscotti. Maybe shine his shoes too while your on your knees.
If Orr's ego is that weak that we need to sacrifice the whole season just to baby him, he doesn't deserve the job anyway. Look at how classy Justin Fields is getting benched for Russ and is embracing learning from him. Bench Orr for Belichick. Now.
If either teams DB's could catch there could have been 3 for each team. Hamilton looked like the best player on the field but that missed INT was awful.
The DC can't go out on the field and catch simple INTs and make sure tackles for the players! They have to make plays no matter what defense is called on the field. When are we going to start holding these players accountable?
Bobby & Sara you guys are critical thinkers & keep receipts so check this!...Baltimore Banner did an article... Dennard Wilson the past 5 teams he has been involved with coaching that teams secondary has ranked in the top 3-5 in the league!...he is now Tennessee D coordinator & guess where the titans secondary ranks?... #1! Losing Wilson seems to be the biggest crucial loss for this defense!
If they were a serious team they would have Campbell, smith, AND clowney on the phone yesterday. Tired of the bs cap excuse teams make it happen all the time. Package some of these draft picks (which we rarely hit on) and get some real impact players. We CANNOT afford to waste another mvp year from Lamar. Sick of the BS
Stop worrying about a coach losing his job. He's a big boy and knows what he got himself into. Start focusing on what we need to do to WIN. Damn week 8 and damn internal promotions of other people who lack experience. Orr doesn't know what he's doing and Pees hasn't helped. Sit Orr, bring in Belichick. Do we want to win, or not. If nothing is done, we won't make the playoffs. Your point about player mistakes would hold water if it was one or two errors in a game or two. But the defense has been booty all season. That's a systemic failure and the buck stops with the boss. Not the workers. Stop spreading propaganda and covering for what's wrong, we won't get better doing that. This is not personal so stop worrying about liking Orr. We don't care if we like him. We don't care if he has kids. We don't care if he just bought a house. The issue is he's not competent and we're not rebuilding, we need to win now. The Ravens don't have to literally fire him. But find something else for him to do on that huge staff, his salary isn't capped. Act.
we’re wasting lamar’s great years away.. if we can’t make get to the big one this year with the addition of henry and a defense that was #1 just last year with a lot of the same personnel, i wonder how lamar is going to feel..
Bateman was horrible in this game…I’m off the trade for a WR train now, only because we desperately need to address the defense, but sheesh our Receivers were dropping passes left and right!
No don't fire him, he need some dogs on defense. The safeties need to start being ball joggers, get they eyes off the qb, and find the deep recievers in their area and get there. If you not , the ball travel faster. Play the reciever not the qb. Play your position , and everybody get to the ball. I mean everybody.
Every player from last year minus Stone, Clowney, and Queen (all of whom aren’t playing well on their new teams) have returned for this season. This isn’t on player talent. It’s on coaching. I’ll keep saying it again and again.
Go get Salah and change your line up Wiggins and white Humphrey in the nickle play Hamilton and Stephen as your safties. Then switch it up jad and Wiggins as corners play Hamilton in the nickle and use Williams and Stephen's as your safeties. Then can match up with the dime package with Mallet brade and Washington
They need a new DC ASAP. Orr has not established any sort of NFL defense in the entire pre-season and 8 games deep into this season, with the best defense in the NFL last year. He is NOT qualified.
I usually agree with Sarah but she is only right about the trade part. We need a trade. And we need to simplify the scheme because aint no way we got all pros, out here constantly confused and getting cooked. No offense to Orr but with those hires, its russian roulette and this didnt pay off
Is this woman for real? Where were the in game adjustments or even at halftime? The players are running in to the ball when they least expect because the play calling does not put the players in predictable positions. It's like you taking a highway exit which you didn't know coming up or even had an idea of existence till last second.
Let's be honest it's not the defensive coordinator it the head coach John harbaugh make bad decision he don't think right under pressure and the offensive coordinator what is he doing letting Henry taking snaps. At the 3 yard line. I think the decisions making is the problem.
EDC making any more decisions for this defense is like pouring gasoline on a fire. No one is going to come in here and fix this defense. Get Lamar his #1 WR.
They’re just gonna waste another year of Lamar. Orr has no idea what he’s doing. He did not deserve this job. Ravens were so close to the Super Bowl and you give Zack Orr the defensive coordinator job? Zero experience.
Sarah's callout on ints making the difference in Cinci and in Tampa. I dig that I'm not even gonna lie, I was definitely calling for ZO's job. Not proud of it lol but I was hot I can say that was an emotional reaction and she is definitely right. Once again, me banging my fists and yelling...then I hear Sarah and I'm grounded by logic and sensibility 😂😂 Sorry Ravens amd ZO...but I reserve the right to bug out again if he 💩 in the bed again
There has been only one consistency throughout the years. Harbaugh, fire harbaugh. Plus the fans really hate this guy. we are getting new offensive coordinators and new defensive coordinators almost every year because we keep pushing the blame on them, but it’s not them. It starts at the top.
#14 HAMILTON's fall to the ground says it all.....there is nothing to say....he knew better... the embarrassment was way beyond explaining... Im sure it was a QUIET PLANE RIDE HOME.
I think Roquan and Kyle Van Noy (The 2 vets) should have a players only meeting and pull what Ray and Ed did during their SB run: Ignore some of the plays that Orr calls and make the calls on the field as they see fit! It may get them ran out of Baltimore lol!
It’s absolutely a coaching issue, anybody telling you any different is incorrect.
Absolutely a coaching issue. Who’s held accountable? Game plan? In Game adjustments? Late game situational play? Those are all coaching mental direction, a sense of KNOW HOW. Harbaugh acting like he has no know how.
@@lovememoremeticulous4378he not acting he really dont kno 😂
Its a GM problem if He'd Draft Players with rhe right traits there would be drastic improvements without any Coaching. Secondary Players must be aggressive hunter gatherers not conservative hesitation artists. GM for sure.
you can’t blame a loss on a dbs not catching picks that most qbs won’t throw to begin with. gifts you shouldn’t have even gotten. turnovers are a bonus, not a strategy for solid defense. terrible take
wide open recievers, blown coverages over and over, miscommunication, disorganization, predictability, many underperforming players, failure to play the line of gain..l these are all coaching.
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So you saying if they come your way by chance don't catch them just do better on offense because the other things you spoke of make a bigger difference
Why can't you blame a Db on not catching a pick? Last time I check they actually practice this during practice. One of the main jobs for a defensive line is to apply pressure to a QB, so he can make a mistake and throw a pick..... Hell that's the reasons why we lost Geno Stone, teams like a guys that can go after the ball, every DB can't do it.
Of all the fanbases in the NFL, this is something I would have never expected to come out of the Baltimore Ravens fanbase. The idea that we shouldn't expect game changing play from the defense. That has been the hallmark of what its been to "play like a Raven" on defense for over 20 years. Not just solid defense, but game changing defense.
The problem of dropping what should be interceptions is not isolated to this game. It has been all season so far. It's what Lamar was trying to get across to Marlo after the Cowboys game. The team needed to get right.
@@dmholman well said! 💯%
Folks don’t understand how a pick can change the game. It’s a moral killer when you drop as many picks as we have. If you get picks you stop drives, take away points from a team and give your team a boost and a chance to get more points.
have to promote from within? that’s absurd. teams take mid-season external coordinators all the time
Demote him.... we cant waste this team again after last year
It's not that simple. As a fan you want to demote him as punishment. But who is going to step in internally that's going to do better?
@@curtsuneson6161 ... don't want an internal hire
Bring in Rex ryan😂
@curtsuneson6161 Punishment?? Wyf. Today's world is insane. No, you don't demote hime for "punishment" lol. You demote hime to put in another DC, and let him do what he's good at. Position coach. It's not punishment. You act like he intentionally did something.
2:39 if we caught half the picks that we dropped on the season we would be a top 15 defense and undefeated
That would erase about 40 yards a game and atleast 5-6pts a game. The offense potentially would also have more points and yards.
We have dropped at least 2 picks a game on average.
Nothing will happen if the Ravens “fire “ Zach orr, they will make another “in house” hire like usual & continue your struggles & the same bs
To fix this team you must go to the root cause of the issue:
John Harbaugh ❌
Common denominator
I totally agree! It’s the buddy system here!!
You're crazy, have you not seen enough? Move on or kiss this season goodbye.
@larryseymour6715 Orr is a DC, who works for a HC. Ultimately this falls in Harbs lap time to hold him accountable!!
2023 Ravens>2024 Ravens. As a Ravens fan I expect blowouts. Man I miss last years defense.
What should the Ravens do with John
Run. The. Ball. If your defense is weak, keep running the ball to run down the clock, even if the opponent has a better defense. It gives the ravens defense a couple seconds to breathe off the field.
Fire Harbaugh for chosing this dud. No experience. Did Harbad think it would be magic? What was he thinking? Team in the midst of chance to go all the way and old Harbad dashes all the hope with his bafoonamata decision. And no trades from EDC. Top brass has blinders on.
HC is never responsible for anything on the team except final game speech, unbelievable.
@aday1637 Orr was going to be a scapegoat from day one we all knew that! it's not Orr it's Harbs!!
2:40 Lol Sarah you just said what the real problem is, its terrible defense giving up tons of yards with a terrible coordinator. We have a Dc that doesn't know how to do his job that's what the problem is. Why people thinking a guy that never done this job before is not the issue is insane
I hear you Sarah you bring up a lot of good points. But business though we’re in the situation of having a pick determine our game
I get how Sarah and some of the other Raven fans are feeling, but we do have to understand we lost a lot of great players from last years. Let's be real "Geno Stone" would clean up with interception on that brown game, and the front line would be a beast if we had Clowney, Patrick, and the other defensive player that left.... It's not fair to tell Zack, to match the ability of what we had last year, when we don't have the same players.
No the players aren't the issue that left our problem now is the dB coach he's not dennard who knew how to align our dB to disguise our play call
this might be extremely controversial but I've been saying since last season I think we need to move off Harbaugh and bring in Belichick or a different HC, the come from behind losses are atrocious, he's like the Doc Rivers of the NFL atp and every one else takes blame for the ravens failures whether it's lamar, munkin, or zach and there's one person that rarely gets looked at as "wth are you doing, why isn't your team ready to play/taking their feet off the gas" is it fair? probably not, but we HAD a SB team last year and we HAVE a SB level quarterback, he was the HC through the Joe Flacco era and got one, but I think he hasnt done enough for Lamar in HIS era and that's the one we could win more than just the one in 52's retirement year
We shouldn’t have let the DB’s coach leave. He’s the one we miss the most!
Don’t fire him. Demote him and hire a DC to mentor him
The RAVENS have a DC that is playing checkers on a chess board. Zack Orr rightful role on the team should be as an assistant DC. RAVENS need a DC with years of experience. AFRIKAN PROVERB: The young can walk faster, but the elder knows the road.
Bring in Belichick, he's a defensive guy and would love to do it. Let Orr be his assistant, can't argue with that.
Their going play like the best defensive team next week.
Bring in Belicheck and they win it all. He could outcoach Reid in a head to head match up with the caliper of this team. Send Johnny boy to LA with his brother.
None of those defenses have this personnel. You lost three players overall only one of which was a full time starter and this is the level of effort they're giving. There are ZERO excuses
It would be nice if the defense helps the offense by simply catching interception. Just help them and the offense got it smh
Loyalty loses games
The scheme has nothing to do with why our big money DT Madubuike has been a no show.
He getting double and Zach not moving him around cause when Mike was here he had him line up every where including on the edge it hard to get him going when qb have 2-3 wr consistently open
@ he is not getting double. It’s plenty of film showing and teammates saying the only person getting doubled is Kyle Van Noy.
And Zach Orr runs stunts and blitzes to help that bum and nothing works. He got his money now it’s showing.
@@GoddeKnows Are your eyes closed? He should have 3 sacks the rules analyst even said the refs they bad flags on his other two sacks. He is doing his job too, but it's harder when the DC sucks. Everyone at every level is playing worse than last year.
that was Dean Pees Defense!!
The magic was in the defensive team last year.
The thing about Spencer’s tweet is, all those teams don’t NEARLY have the talent that the Ravens do on their defense
Yes this is Orr's defense and it has been playing below Ravens standard. But losing key pieces like Stone, Clowney and Queen have affected this defense as well. Should some blame be on the front office ?
Yup what she said ! catch the ball ! At this level i dont want to hear excuses. Not even the sun should be an excuse lol
Crazy thing is yall didn’t do this to Mike McDonald who was equally going through a learning curve when he started and the stats say just that, but we know why you feel comfortable doing this to Orr
Hopefully with a late season bye and time for some nagging injuries to get better and a little bit of time to rest. The team can rejuvenate themselves and make a run for the dance and beyond.
Defense is lackin. However, we lost a lot of coaching power. Orr is not fully seasoned as mac donald which is evident. Orr has access to the same plays that mac had, but knowing when to call em is another skill in itself. The feel and instinct to call the game that mac had is truly an incredible feat.
In the Secondary, Drafting Players that can Catch, Press Man and play average Zone or better is an absolute must. Anything less will show on Gameday everyweek without a doubt. So, the formula for the Defense is relying on combing through Draft Prospects with these Attributes and the final ingredient is can they stay Healthy? Anything less will show in this Scheme. Get word to EDC please and it helps to be 6 feet and up.
Let us give up winning and just be nice to each other and the other teams. Give everyone a trophy to make 'em feel better after the season ends like it did last year. Oh, and by the way, the owner can give all his money away, too. Let's all just share and be woke.
Orr is young Got to keephim they will get better!!!!
I agree that a change is needed. I like Zac Orr but I think he is a better off as a position coach.
We had basically the same team (minus PQ and Geno Stone) defensively as last year. NO ONE on our defense is playing better than last year. So either everyone got magically worse......or it's the schematics.......I feel Orr's defensive schemes just doesn't play to everyone's strengths
Harbaugh and that coaching staff is failing Lamar again. Said it once ima say it again COACHING MATTERS.
Get rid. Insanity to carry a rookie DC in a do or die season, especially when we have a tactically clueless HC who cant support him in-game.
I feel so bad for Jackson!
Players dropping the Ball isn't on Coaches its on the General Manager. Each Player can catch two hundred Balls a day and get better its not on Coaching these are Pros. Drafting Players with these traits is the easiest solution and that means not picking someone because He's on the Board but picking for these specific traits. Some of these things can't be Coached up.
First year as a playcaller should not have been in the pros
Getting worse without Mike is understandable but like it’s not like all the talent went away? We are definitely injured but the amount of miscommunication is inexcusable rn. It feels like a scheme issue (and health issue of course)
Letting clowny walk was ill-advised
I agree Sara!!!!! Tired of hearing we have to do better!! Meanwhile KC will most likely go back again!!!!
"You cant change your defensive system" !?I mean it aint working thats why you gotta change and its not like the players already learnt the system cause they look like they have no clue on the field. Keep repeating the same mistakes is definition of foolishness. Harbaugh is never responsible for anything other than prayers and end of the game speeches.
And handing out game balls. And telling everyone that even if we suck, we don't need to change anything because we still have it better than others. 🤮
It is time for a complete coaching overhaul. Harbaugh’s hands are too woven into the this team. He is and will be the team’s biggest detriment. He doesn’t make in game adjustments and that is the reason why we falter in the important games.
Raven's practices are soft in regards to the defensive side of the ball ! All this strutting around and half as speed !!! I've seen the film on practices and the defense is soft in regards to running thru practice ! All these players played college ball, are they that stupid that they forgot the fundamentals on defense!! Totally disgusted that these players are failing and nobody in authority to lead !!!!
Harbaugh sticks with his people too long. If the ravens don’t perform this year, it should be Jim Harbaugh‘s job.
Yea idk what’s goin on where is madibuike? Roquan is quiet as well
Do not fire him
I vote fire Orr....you can't get any worse then last in pass defense.
Offer Mike McDonald half ownership of the team to get him back. And beg on your knee Steve Biscotti. Maybe shine his shoes too while your on your knees.
Fire harbaugh. He made tgat decision. Like a lot of bone head decision.
If Orr's ego is that weak that we need to sacrifice the whole season just to baby him, he doesn't deserve the job anyway. Look at how classy Justin Fields is getting benched for Russ and is embracing learning from him. Bench Orr for Belichick. Now.
If either teams DB's could catch there could have been 3 for each team. Hamilton looked like the best player on the field but that missed INT was awful.
Non sense yes you can Rex Ryan knows this defense
Run the ball .
The DC can't go out on the field and catch simple INTs and make sure tackles for the players! They have to make plays no matter what defense is called on the field. When are we going to start holding these players accountable?
Wasting another season. Demote him. It can’t get any worse.
Bobby & Sara you guys are critical thinkers & keep receipts so check this!...Baltimore Banner did an article...
Dennard Wilson
the past 5 teams he has been involved with coaching that teams secondary has ranked in the top 3-5 in the league!...he is now Tennessee D coordinator & guess where the titans secondary ranks?...
#1!
Losing Wilson seems to be the biggest crucial loss for this defense!
Yes! We’ve only lost two players last year! How could this defense be this bad! And Dean Pees wasn’t all that great!!!
If they were a serious team they would have Campbell, smith, AND clowney on the phone yesterday. Tired of the bs cap excuse teams make it happen all the time. Package some of these draft picks (which we rarely hit on) and get some real impact players. We CANNOT afford to waste another mvp year from Lamar. Sick of the BS
Stop worrying about a coach losing his job. He's a big boy and knows what he got himself into.
Start focusing on what we need to do to WIN. Damn week 8 and damn internal promotions of other people who lack experience.
Orr doesn't know what he's doing and Pees hasn't helped. Sit Orr, bring in Belichick.
Do we want to win, or not.
If nothing is done, we won't make the playoffs.
Your point about player mistakes would hold water if it was one or two errors in a game or two.
But the defense has been booty all season. That's a systemic failure and the buck stops with the boss. Not the workers.
Stop spreading propaganda and covering for what's wrong, we won't get better doing that.
This is not personal so stop worrying about liking Orr. We don't care if we like him. We don't care if he has kids. We don't care if he just bought a house.
The issue is he's not competent and we're not rebuilding, we need to win now.
The Ravens don't have to literally fire him.
But find something else for him to do on that huge staff, his salary isn't capped.
Act.
Yes Lamar was upset when Bateman dropped that pass it was a dime only Lamar gonna throw right now!!!!!
Those other coaches on other teams as dc’s Spencer was talking about, they’re not the Ravens defense. I’m not listening to that argument. Sorry.
we’re wasting lamar’s great years away.. if we can’t make get to the big one this year with the addition of henry and a defense that was #1 just last year with a lot of the same personnel, i wonder how lamar is going to feel..
Id say at this point give Dean pees a shot at running the defense for a few games
Bateman was horrible in this game…I’m off the trade for a WR train now, only because we desperately need to address the defense, but sheesh our Receivers were dropping passes left and right!
No don't fire him, he need some dogs on defense. The safeties need to start being ball joggers, get they eyes off the qb, and find the deep recievers in their area and get there. If you not , the ball travel faster. Play the reciever not the qb. Play your position , and everybody get to the ball. I mean everybody.
Every player from last year minus Stone, Clowney, and Queen (all of whom aren’t playing well on their new teams) have returned for this season. This isn’t on player talent. It’s on coaching. I’ll keep saying it again and again.
Go get Salah and change your line up Wiggins and white Humphrey in the nickle play Hamilton and Stephen as your safties. Then switch it up jad and Wiggins as corners play Hamilton in the nickle and use Williams and Stephen's as your safeties. Then can match up with the dime package with Mallet brade and Washington
....soooooo....it's all the player's faults and continue as normal.
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Whatever you're paid to talk about football, it's too much.
They need a new DC ASAP. Orr has not established any sort of NFL defense in the entire pre-season and 8 games deep into this season, with the best defense in the NFL last year. He is NOT qualified.
I usually agree with Sarah but she is only right about the trade part. We need a trade. And we need to simplify the scheme because aint no way we got all pros, out here constantly confused and getting cooked. No offense to Orr but with those hires, its russian roulette and this didnt pay off
Is this woman for real? Where were the in game adjustments or even at halftime? The players are running in to the ball when they least expect because the play calling does not put the players in predictable positions. It's like you taking a highway exit which you didn't know coming up or even had an idea of existence till last second.
That’s enough! I’m sure he’s a good guy but it’s enough!
Let's be honest it's not the defensive coordinator it the head coach John harbaugh make bad decision he don't think right under pressure and the offensive coordinator what is he doing letting Henry taking snaps. At the 3 yard line. I think the decisions making is the problem.
Let him sit and learn from Dean Pees and promote Dean Pees to DC.
EDC making any more decisions for this defense is like pouring gasoline on a fire. No one is going to come in here and fix this defense. Get Lamar his #1 WR.
I feel like with this organization it’s all the buddy effect!! You don’t see this with other teams!!! I’m tired of we are in a funk!!!
It’s time to go in another direction. This defense will waste a prolific offensive. Anyone is better than Orr.
They’re just gonna waste another year of Lamar. Orr has no idea what he’s doing. He did not deserve this job. Ravens were so close to the Super Bowl and you give Zack Orr the defensive coordinator job? Zero experience.
We need max crosby idc back the brinks truck in his driveway
Marcus Williams has a point it’s not him and he showed it Zach orr is ass done being nice
Please get Bill Belichick, he's waiting by the phone right now! This would be his masterpiece! DO IT!
Sarah's callout on ints making the difference in Cinci and in Tampa. I dig that
I'm not even gonna lie, I was definitely calling for ZO's job. Not proud of it lol but I was hot
I can say that was an emotional reaction and she is definitely right. Once again, me banging my fists and yelling...then I hear Sarah and I'm grounded by logic and sensibility 😂😂
Sorry Ravens amd ZO...but I reserve the right to bug out again if he 💩 in the bed again
Sorry dude your just not making it with the ravens
What happened to dean pees??
@@kennethpeller7411 he ain't gonna be any better
@@kennethpeller7411the guy who previously got fired for sucking?
Ro & Kyle Nt the problem ,,DC JUST TRASH SCHEME ALL AROUN ,,IF YU CNT SEE IT BYE BYE SEASON
YOURE NOT SEEING ENTHUSIASM BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY DONT LIKE ZACK ORR.
There has been only one consistency throughout the years. Harbaugh, fire harbaugh. Plus the fans really hate this guy. we are getting new offensive coordinators and new defensive coordinators almost every year because we keep pushing the blame on them, but it’s not them. It starts at the top.
#14 HAMILTON's fall to the ground says it all.....there is nothing to say....he knew better... the embarrassment was way beyond explaining... Im sure it was a QUIET PLANE RIDE HOME.
With this defense we will not beat the Steelers!! With Russell Wilson!!!
We should have kept Gino Stone!!!!!!!
Howwegona blame the Dc for all them dropped balls
Why get rid of Orr? Players gotta make plays.
The ravens have below average pass rush and guys can’t cover forever
Should've brought back Pagano and not Pees