Marriner knew what he was doing getting Tennstedt as a principal guest conductor. Mahler 3 is a challenging work for even the greatest orchestras and this was an inspired performance. I don't care about a few mistakes in articulation when a performance is as moving as this one. No one could bring out the best an orchestra could give any better than Tennstedt.
@@leestamm3187 Yes, I'm sure he was supportive of Tennstedt and of the following principal guest conductor, Charles Dutoit. Both did excellent work with the MO.
I was in attendance at this performance along with 50 or so students from the high school band I directed for 39 years in Hermantown, Minnesota. Unforgettable. The Minnesota Orchestra has never played with so much conviction and soul...so much love. Tennstedt stopped conducting on the last D major chord, just stood in front of the orchestra with both arms fully extended above his head celebrating while the orchestra poured out a sound that rocked the hall.
Tennstedts Mahler recordings are the most underrated in musical history. They are unbelievable. For me the best at all, beyond Zubin Mehta & Daniel Barenboim. (Bernstein only sometimes had it.) Even Mahlers prismatic instrumentation is complete transparent here. And then: I love the rawness and tempi of Tennstedt. After all the dynamics are complete mindblowing... (The clarinet black out at 1:00:46 is wonderful, LOL, tears ran down my face.)
As a new-commer to Mahler, I have started to really enjoy Tennstedt a lot. I had followed Tony Duggan's suggestions (not so much to a tee, but close), and I fell in love with Mahler and several conductors (Abbado, Horesntein, Haitink, Barbirolli, and so on). I'm only 30, and yet Mahler spoke to me on a level I had never imagined; when I listen to Tennstedt after going through multiple Mahler cycles, it's like a whole different world. The textures, dynamics, and tempo seem to screech out in beautiful colors, moods and atmosphere...like hearing Mahler again for the first time.
Enchantingly!!This is my most favorite Mahler symphony..There is a live performance also,I like most,I suggested you hear,you may have alredy listened,that is Frankfurt Symphony Radio Orchestra interpretation,with an outstanding conductor Andres Orozco Estrada!
I don't know....there's an unwieldy violin and horn duet around 19:12, where it sounds like the hornist miscounted. I appreciate this as it is and would be disappointed if I bought a recording with that section included
One of Klaus Tennstedt's iconic live recordings. Ortrun Wenkel was the Bayreuth Erda of the 70's and 80's and gives us a magnificent deep "Oh Mensch, gib acht!"
I agree. Everything is alive. Many things that are barely noticable in many recordings are given equal measure. And nothing is lacking. An astounding interpretation. I've heard alot of em. I must say this is about the most riveting one I have encountered. Even with a minor flub here and there. Unmatchable intensity and detail.
This is an astonishing Mahler 3. No holds barred. It simply puts several 'great performances' to shame. Such passion and urgency! Who cares about a wrong note here and there when one is hearing such a great live performance? I have seen it performed live 4 times. My favorites of those four were Salonen LA Phil. In new york, 96 I think it was. The second, Maazel and the NY Phil. 2006 I think. It was overwhelming. The box seat I had did not hurt. I was right on top of the orchestra. The final movement reduced me to tears. Happy, life loving grateful tears....ya know....the good ones.
Wow, I thought Boulez/Vienna was the greatest performance of this magnificent work I had ever experienced until I heard this; I was a puddle by the conclusion. This is the greatest thing Mahler ever gave us; yes, I know what I'm saying.
+Janet Horvath This week ( 1st March/2016 ,on our National ( classical/jazz) Music Channel France Musique) there were some programs dedicated to Klaus Tennstedt and of course , we have the opportunity of listen to your MN O and Mahler .)
Listening to the final movement reminded me of the exposition of the Indian Ragas. Every note (every note is a melody!) and expression unfolds and there is mystery about the next one as to how the artist will sing or play that!. This performance is exactly like that. Tennstedt is narrating an epic one small episode at a time (many time Furtwangler did this with Bruckner). Remarkable conducting and what an orchestra. This is Neville Marriner's orchestra. Plenty of English style woodwind playing and brass with a "burr" (reminds me of the great Toscanini's orchestra-the NBC). I am listening one movement at a time.
This performance has so much more character and articulation than anything else out there. Yes including the Bernstein and Abbado versions (both on DG with the NYP and the VPO respectively). Tennstedt brought a sense of "rawness and wildness" to Mahler that made this music tell the listener about Mahler's character. Listen to what happens just after the great trombone solo. I was delighted to read your views on the "standard" performances of such masterpieces that last "hours". These conductors interpreted music to death. Many thanks for this and other fantastic posts. I am listening from India.
Hari Nagarajan I would not be so severe with Abbado/Wiener Philharmoniker or Bernstein/Wiener Philharmoniker (the dvd version) as you are. I particularly enjoy these two recordings. But, as you wrote, this live recording of Tennstedt is particularly impressive, he was able to experience music interpretation as extreme spiritual fights and quests... The nietzschean nature of the symphony is fully revealed here.
Tracotel Yes of course both are quite wonderful. The Abbado has Jessye Norman and that is quite something else. I prefer the Bernstein NYP (all three versions) over the Vienna. But i must say that this version that you have posted is simply the best. One cannot have refined Mahler. This is why Bernstein is wonderful. I think he understands this. This "rawness" of Mahler in many symphonies perhaps what kept the great Bruno Walter out. His versions of the second, first and the fourth are great marvels of interpretation.
magnifique ! Mon goût personnel dans les interprétations des symphonies de Malher : Tennstedt , Neumann , Kubelik, et puis tous les autres qui jamais ne déméritent. Mais Tennstedt nous fait sentir l'incroyable urgence de cette musique , même avec cet orchestre qui ne vaut pas son orchestre de Londres. Une autre raison pour laquelle je tiens cette interprétation comme miraculeuse : la superbe voix de Otrun Wenkel.
Sublime - spectacular - there IS nothing like a "live" performance - thank you for posting. I have always enjoyed Tennstedt's Mahler and after listening to this reading - oh my... thank you again.
This is an absolute incredible performance of this. Perhaps the best I have ever heard. I went to a performance of this piece in 2005 with this same orchestra (with Andrew Litton) and they had absolutely none of the fire and rawness you hear here. Everything was smoothed over and it became technically flawless but emotionally lifeless. It seems almost all orchestras have lost that energy that is on display here (listen to the trumpets and imagine that sound today). Did Tennstedt do any more Mahler or Bruckner with this orchestra during this time period?
I do not know if Tennstedt made other Mahler or Bruckner concerts with the Minnesota Orchestra? But it is easy to find on RUclips some great live recordings of him cnducting Mahler or Bruckner. 1st, 5th and 7th symphonies by Mahler are also available on my channel.
There's a complete Mahler Edition with Tennstedt and the London Philharmonic Orchestra available. Reissued in 2014 by Warner, originally released by EMI 1998.
Thanks for this great post.Even bigger thanks you didn't speed it up.A miracle.Really enjoy your site and check it out often.When you do speed it up also play it at normal speed.I am the opposite of you.I love super slow-uber slow.how about slowing down performances.I like it when someone has strong ideas about something even if they are wrong like you always are thanks again
Live recording!!! I did not hear any sounds in Elizabeth Hall as like Tennstedt and London Phil. It is amaging product of Mahler 3. It touches straight away to your heart and emotion.
ok. For all of you Tennsdadt lovers you must find the brilliant third on Nonesuch with the London Philharmonic. An unbelievable recording! Except for an oddly distanced base cello mistake in the recording, it is sonically and musically profound. perhaps a remastering has by now corrected the minor problem. Just get it.
In order to perform this symphony properly, you have to get the first movement right, and to get the first movement right, you have to understand what it is, and what it is is a man in a cheap circus, spinning ten plates on a frame which is balanced on his nose while juggling five tennis balls and playing the trombone, riding a unicycle which is balanced on three beach balls, on a tightrope with no net, while covered with crazed weasels slipping in and out of his clothing - and everything that can be on fire, is. You need the right kind of crazy to pull this off, constantly one micron away from total disaster - and Tennstedt NAILS IT TO THE WALL.
The timpani are outstanding pounding out those major chords at the end !!! From listening to it in my headphones it sounds as if the timpani players were positioned in the back of the orchestra facing the stage on the right hand side?
One of the best performances of this Symphony. Really great, far away from Abbado and Jansons, for example. But hear the last movement from Currentzis and his orchestra. I can't decide between these both performances.
Tennstedt takes 10 minutes to get to Rehearsal 13 (Nicht mehr so breit) whereas Bernstein takes 12 minutes to the same spot. It makes all the difference in the world giving a true gravitas to this magnificent music.
The horns at the end of the first movement of Bernstein's early NY Phil recording are horribly out of tune. This frenetic tempo at the end of the 1st mov't here with KT (as with Bernstein) is too fast to allow the the articulations to speak clearly---it's too jumbled. Abbado and Jansons do it better, IMO I heard Haitink with the NY Phil. do Mahler 3rd this past May---as good as I've ever heard the NY Phil. Haitink was superb and it seemed that the NY Phil. musicians really loved playing for him.
Yes, I love Bernstein's Mahler but he had a nasty habit of charging too fast with his allegros. My favorite of Lenny's Mahler is the DG 7th. I think it's just perfect. Big, bold and beautifully shaped.
Marriner knew what he was doing getting Tennstedt as a principal guest conductor. Mahler 3 is a challenging work for even the greatest orchestras and this was an inspired performance. I don't care about a few mistakes in articulation when a performance is as moving as this one. No one could bring out the best an orchestra could give any better than Tennstedt.
Tennstedt was principal guest conductor in MN before Marriner arrived.
@@mtm9180 True, by a short margin. Good catch. I know that Marriner was very supportive of Tennstedt as principal guest conductor.
@@leestamm3187 Yes, I'm sure he was supportive of Tennstedt and of the following principal guest conductor, Charles Dutoit. Both did excellent work with the MO.
I was in attendance at this performance along with 50 or so students from the high school band I directed for 39 years in Hermantown, Minnesota. Unforgettable. The Minnesota Orchestra has never played with so much conviction and soul...so much love. Tennstedt stopped conducting on the last D major chord, just stood in front of the orchestra with both arms fully extended above his head celebrating while the orchestra poured out a sound that rocked the hall.
You can literally hear the brass section pouring their souls out in the finale.
I was there as well. Amazing performance.
You were fortunate to both see and hear the magic that Tennstedt could call forth from musicians. No conductor like him before or since.
Tennstedts Mahler recordings are the most underrated in musical history. They are unbelievable. For me the best at all, beyond Zubin Mehta & Daniel Barenboim. (Bernstein only sometimes had it.) Even Mahlers prismatic instrumentation is complete transparent here. And then: I love the rawness and tempi of Tennstedt. After all the dynamics are complete mindblowing... (The clarinet black out at 1:00:46 is wonderful, LOL, tears ran down my face.)
As a new-commer to Mahler, I have started to really enjoy Tennstedt a lot. I had followed Tony Duggan's suggestions (not so much to a tee, but close), and I fell in love with Mahler and several conductors (Abbado, Horesntein, Haitink, Barbirolli, and so on). I'm only 30, and yet Mahler spoke to me on a level I had never imagined; when I listen to Tennstedt after going through multiple Mahler cycles, it's like a whole different world. The textures, dynamics, and tempo seem to screech out in beautiful colors, moods and atmosphere...like hearing Mahler again for the first time.
Enchantingly!!This is my most favorite Mahler symphony..There is a live performance also,I like most,I suggested you hear,you may have alredy listened,that is Frankfurt Symphony Radio Orchestra interpretation,with an outstanding conductor Andres Orozco Estrada!
I have particular favorite conductors for individual Mahler symhonies, but my overall go-tos are Tennstedt and Abbado.
Sensational. A shame they’ve been sidelined.
This needs to be available on CD. Period.
I don't know....there's an unwieldy violin and horn duet around 19:12, where it sounds like the hornist miscounted. I appreciate this as it is and would be disappointed if I bought a recording with that section included
One of Klaus Tennstedt's iconic live recordings. Ortrun Wenkel was the Bayreuth Erda of the 70's and 80's and gives us a magnificent deep "Oh Mensch, gib acht!"
His tempi, articulation, dynamics, and tonal approach are absolutely sublime in their commensurability to the material. Magnificent.
I agree. Everything is alive. Many things that are barely noticable in many recordings are given equal measure. And nothing is lacking.
An astounding interpretation. I've heard alot of em. I must say this is about the most riveting one I have encountered. Even with a minor flub here and there. Unmatchable intensity and detail.
This is an astonishing Mahler 3. No holds barred. It simply puts several 'great performances' to shame. Such passion and urgency! Who cares about a wrong note here and there when one is hearing such a great live performance?
I have seen it performed live 4 times. My favorites of those four were Salonen LA Phil. In new york, 96 I think it was. The second, Maazel and the NY Phil. 2006 I think. It was overwhelming. The box seat I had did not hurt. I was right on top of the orchestra. The final movement reduced me to tears. Happy, life loving grateful tears....ya know....the good ones.
Complete revelation to me that Tennstedt was in Minneapolis then. Shit, when I was there, 11 years old. Goddammit, I bet I knew it. Damn. Damn.
Wow, I thought Boulez/Vienna was the greatest performance of this magnificent work I had ever experienced until I heard this; I was a puddle by the conclusion. This is the greatest thing Mahler ever gave us; yes, I know what I'm saying.
Thank you for sharing this fantastic performance. It is, IMHO, Tennstedt's greatest reading of Mahler 3. Fine sound, too. An absolute winner.
We in the MN Orch had an inspired relationship with Klaus and I believe we never played better than with him.
+Janet Horvath Are you a member of the Minnesota Symphony Orchestra?
+Janet Horvath
This week ( 1st March/2016 ,on our National ( classical/jazz) Music Channel France Musique) there were some programs dedicated to Klaus Tennstedt and of course , we have the opportunity of listen to your MN O and Mahler .)
@Tracotel She was Associate Principal Cello.
Listening to the final movement reminded me of the exposition of the Indian Ragas. Every note (every note is a melody!) and expression unfolds and there is mystery about the next one as to how the artist will sing or play that!. This performance is exactly like that. Tennstedt is narrating an epic one small episode at a time (many time Furtwangler did this with Bruckner). Remarkable conducting and what an orchestra. This is Neville Marriner's orchestra. Plenty of English style woodwind playing and brass with a "burr" (reminds me of the great Toscanini's orchestra-the NBC). I am listening one movement at a time.
And it is epic throughout. More Tennstedt/Mahler live recordings on my RUclips channel.
Tracotel,
Thanks so much for this!
This performance has so much more character and articulation than anything else out there. Yes including the Bernstein and Abbado versions (both on DG with the NYP and the VPO respectively). Tennstedt brought a sense of "rawness and wildness" to Mahler that made this music tell the listener about Mahler's character. Listen to what happens just after the great trombone solo. I was delighted to read your views on the "standard" performances of such masterpieces that last "hours". These conductors interpreted music to death. Many thanks for this and other fantastic posts. I am listening from India.
Hari Nagarajan I would not be so severe with Abbado/Wiener Philharmoniker or Bernstein/Wiener Philharmoniker (the dvd version) as you are. I particularly enjoy these two recordings. But, as you wrote, this live recording of Tennstedt is particularly impressive, he was able to experience music interpretation as extreme spiritual fights and quests... The nietzschean nature of the symphony is fully revealed here.
Tracotel Yes of course both are quite wonderful. The Abbado has Jessye Norman and that is quite something else. I prefer the Bernstein NYP (all three versions) over the Vienna. But i must say that this version that you have posted is simply the best. One cannot have refined Mahler. This is why Bernstein is wonderful. I think he understands this. This "rawness" of Mahler in many symphonies perhaps what kept the great Bruno Walter out. His versions of the second, first and the fourth are great marvels of interpretation.
+Hari Nagarajan There's a beautiful live recording with Abbado in Lucerne on YT.
@@Tracotel It's the exact opposite of "interpretation".
Thank you for downloading this performance. I'm 4 minutes in, and I'm hooked. It's obviously going to be epic.
Every note of Mahler is alive and truthfully reproduced by Kalus. Maybe they have profounding talks in Heaven.
magnifique ! Mon goût personnel dans les interprétations des symphonies de Malher : Tennstedt , Neumann , Kubelik, et puis tous les autres qui jamais ne déméritent. Mais Tennstedt nous fait sentir l'incroyable urgence de cette musique , même avec cet orchestre qui ne vaut pas son orchestre de Londres. Une autre raison pour laquelle je tiens cette interprétation comme miraculeuse : la superbe voix de Otrun Wenkel.
Sublime - spectacular - there IS nothing like a "live" performance - thank you for posting. I have always enjoyed Tennstedt's Mahler and after listening to this reading - oh my... thank you again.
There's nothing like a live recording to hear coughing from the audience!
This is an absolute incredible performance of this. Perhaps the best I have ever heard. I went to a performance of this piece in 2005 with this same orchestra (with Andrew Litton) and they had absolutely none of the fire and rawness you hear here. Everything was smoothed over and it became technically flawless but emotionally lifeless. It seems almost all orchestras have lost that energy that is on display here (listen to the trumpets and imagine that sound today). Did Tennstedt do any more Mahler or Bruckner with this orchestra during this time period?
I do not know if Tennstedt made other Mahler or Bruckner concerts with the Minnesota Orchestra? But it is easy to find on RUclips some great live recordings of him cnducting Mahler or Bruckner. 1st, 5th and 7th symphonies by Mahler are also available on my channel.
There's a complete Mahler Edition with Tennstedt and the London Philharmonic Orchestra available. Reissued in 2014 by Warner, originally released by EMI 1998.
It's way too fast. Bernstein is the only one who nails this symphony. Tennstedt wins on bombast, Mahler 2 and 8.
Tennstedt conducted at least one great performance of Bruckner 8 in Minnesota.
Thank you for posting this fine performance!
Thanks for this great post.Even bigger thanks you didn't speed it up.A miracle.Really enjoy your site and check it out often.When you do speed it up also play it at normal speed.I am the opposite of you.I love super slow-uber slow.how about slowing down performances.I like it when someone has strong ideas about something even if they are wrong like you always are
thanks again
Live recording!!! I did not hear any sounds in Elizabeth Hall as like Tennstedt and London Phil. It is amaging product of Mahler 3. It touches straight away to your heart and emotion.
adorable Tennstedt esp in Mahler
Genial y maravillosa interpretación.
Monumental.
Spectacular Finalle.
ok. For all of you Tennsdadt lovers you must find the brilliant third on Nonesuch with the London Philharmonic. An unbelievable recording! Except for an oddly distanced base cello mistake in the recording, it is sonically and musically profound. perhaps a remastering has by now corrected the minor problem. Just get it.
Is it on youtube? I was unable to find it.
This is beyond words experience !!!
+Santiago Cardoso Cannot say better.
In order to perform this symphony properly, you have to get the first movement right, and to get the first movement right, you have to understand what it is, and what it is is a man in a cheap circus, spinning ten plates on a frame which is balanced on his nose while juggling five tennis balls and playing the trombone, riding a unicycle which is balanced on three beach balls, on a tightrope with no net, while covered with crazed weasels slipping in and out of his clothing - and everything that can be on fire, is. You need the right kind of crazy to pull this off, constantly one micron away from total disaster - and Tennstedt NAILS IT TO THE WALL.
yes tennstedt nails it, the rest is horsehit
You said it brother. NAILS IT!
@@kenm.3512nails it to the cross.....
absolutely right,
Racée, volcanique, cette 3e nous tient en haleine du début à la fin.
The timpani are outstanding pounding out those major chords at the end !!! From listening to it in my headphones it sounds as if the timpani players were positioned in the back of the orchestra facing the stage on the right hand side?
One of the best performances of this Symphony. Really great, far away from Abbado and Jansons, for example. But hear the last movement from Currentzis and his orchestra. I can't decide between these both performances.
Currentzis is a charlatan. I can easily decide between the two.
best Mahler 3 for me
凄すぎるマラ3
８６年のライブを軽くこえるハイテンション演奏（収録のやりかたもあると思うけど）
KARNA MUSICの海賊盤では第１楽章終了とどうじに沸き起こる
盛大な拍手
が収録されてるよ。
これをはじめて聞いたときはあまりの凄まじいテンションに大感激しつつもへとへとになって倒れ込んでしまった。
大病以前のテンシュテットはまさしく自分自身の苦しみをぶちまけるように演奏していたんだと改めて実感。
NDRとの「巨人」「復活」やこのマラ3もしかり・・・ええ
やりすぎキレすぎハイテンション!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IMHO the greatest interpretation of the 6th Mvt. (Langsam) is the DVD of Bernstein with Vienna. Even Tennstedt (whom I adore) does not equal it.
Tennstedt takes 10 minutes to get to Rehearsal 13 (Nicht mehr so breit) whereas Bernstein takes 12 minutes to the same spot. It makes all the difference in the world giving a true gravitas to this magnificent music.
I wholeheartedly agree.
Maravilloso
Great!
In his recordings orchestras do, I think, sound differently than with other conductors. Lucky you to have played with him on the podium
I have some others on my RUclips channel. Do not hesitate to subscribe.
Thank you, mille grazie for your generosity of Tannstedt. This is absolute beautiful and stirring.
Now this is a circus I wanna go to!
I really like this recording. Anyone know if it's still available on the market?
This orchestra is wonderful. This and the Solti recording with Chicago and the older Horenstein with LSO, I think.
are the ones I think really nail it
Above all quality level translation of this summit.
oooohhhh!!!!!!!EEEEPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Muy buena!!
Where can I buy this RECORDING??
小澤 征爾 ボストンの演奏が最高
32:45 clap
Check out this awesome video about Mahler! Mirroring the World: Part 1
And had to be Tracotel.
1:31:06 1:33:52 1:35:41 1:37:01
23:20
この曲は第１楽章がかっこいい
The horns at the end of the first movement of Bernstein's early NY Phil recording are horribly out of tune. This frenetic tempo at the end of the 1st mov't here with KT (as with Bernstein) is too fast to allow the the articulations to speak clearly---it's too jumbled. Abbado and Jansons do it better, IMO I heard Haitink with the NY Phil. do Mahler 3rd this past May---as good as I've ever heard the NY Phil. Haitink was superb and it seemed that the NY Phil. musicians really loved playing for him.
Yes, I love Bernstein's Mahler but he had a nasty habit of charging too fast with his allegros. My favorite of Lenny's Mahler is the DG 7th. I think it's just perfect.
Big, bold and beautifully shaped.
Marred by really bad !! horn playing in mvtIV. Some great insights but not competitive