@shaadow3242 It's hilarious because his Xly/Yinlin team barely cleared faster than his Xly/Changli team would have if he didn't die and quit out, and that's even with him BARELY playing Changli. In the nanoseconds that he put Changli on field, she STILL almost out valued ALL of Yinlin's buffs and personal damage. Saying that she deals no significant damage is blatant misinformation, and proof that he is letting his own personal feelings and hatred towards the character seep into a guide made for new, impressionable players.
@@Silver-tb7hf why does he hate her tho? I personally don't feel anything about her, but from the times I played her in event trials, she does descent damage. I'm planning to pull her for my Xiangli Yao, is there any reliable guide on her?
exactly his point. don’t you know that most players are casuals? they can’t even read to do pincer. i spent hours to master dual or triple dps quickswap, and that is peak unemployed behavior. for most casuals playing this game they have skill issue and no time. he’s saying just don’t pull changli if you either on mobile, or is a casual (majority of playerbase). see this why he’s so mad at elitists who play changli. ya’ll are condescending as hell just spamming skill issue. YES OF COURSE she’s strong if you spent time trying to learn, but some people don’t and they need to just pull for the easier character.
@@AIA222-yu5ml idk man he has some personal beef with her. the other day (on livestream) he said she's hard to play ( which pretty much everyone agreed on) but then he proceeds to say that "she does NO damage" which is pure bullshit. like does good amount of dmg for a sub-dps. also pairing her as dual-dps with other dps in game has lowest toa clear time (quick swap), eg with yao. also was apparantly comparing her dmg with xiangli yao. like of course she's not gonna do big dmg like a dps, that to in quickswap with barely any buff
Imo this is the right way to do things. Critique someone and then Show in a not insulting way how its done. Also this tutorial will help a lot of people (including me). Nice
Sainto, my friend, you might want to check your Changli build / rotation. Mine, a terribly built one, with 66/250 even hit 110-120k per ult with Verina and it can even be bribed to 140 with Shorekeeper. And I really don't care about rotation as much, if I see the flash I would press.
yeah, my Changli is pretty well built with her sig weapon and all and i do between 200k-300k, thats even without her full team. once Brant and her fusion dps/buffer comes out, she will be really strong. problem is ppl talk bad about hard characters saying they are weak cuz they dont know how to play it properly
for xiangli yao and changli: i recommend not going for their outros and instead play them simultaneously, so while in liberation, xy can quickswap out of his skill, 3rd ba and his enhanced skills, wo weave in changli's skill this gives much more dps than outro buffing (if you have well built changli)
@@abra2133 you can do that in hypercarry too,but only on first rotation.its called Hypercube opener but of course your using minimal buffs with that if you have sk signature or both with heron on yinlin.its kinda split rotation.
As changli main, i agree that this character is hard to master. If u want clear toa with her u should do super quick swap or 2 dps like xy. Once u master that, i think toa is not a problem anymore
Idk why but the role of quick swap dps is completely disregarded by the community even though swap canceling is WUWA’s most prevalent combat mechanic imo. It’s either main dps or sub dps, and Changli shouldn’t be grouped in either category.
I mean the Changli mains are right and he is wrong. Changing does 180 k easily with ult and 120 k with her charged fusion bar. 300k damage + skill spams and echo =400-450 k per rotation. She is the best sub dps there can be in the game, also his unbuilt Changli team outperformed his favorite team but he died before finishing the boss cause he can't properly play Changli.
@@danieliacomi5411 its the other way around but yeah. Ur dpr number is more or less correct. Res skill amplified Changli forte hits harder than ult. Ult does 15%(res skill amplified team) - 35%(lib amplified team). The big hit on the forte is only 70% of its total dmg
Bro thinks he is the best wuwa player however can't use changli correctly. Just watch some CN bilibili creators bro before passing your judgement - Changli is S-tier or not!
The point of quickswap comps is to actually quickswap, yk. You're doing full combo rotations with Changli and not cancelling a single thing. "Optimizing doesn't matter, Changli does no damage". Even while playing XY+Changli in the worst way possible they still cleared just 10 seconds slower than XY+Yinlin. It's fine to not like a character, but I don't get why you're being so disingenuous. Just say she's not your cup of tea or that you don't know how to play her.
Nahhh i saw this man play Changli on stream and he DOES NOT have the credentials to tell people how to play her. Ok i just got to where he shows her gameplay and DUDE HE IS LITERALLY SPREADING MISINFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO PLAY HER I CAN'T MAN. "Deals no damage" like he isnt playing hyper-suboptimally and still clearing nearly as fast as his favorite Jiyan teams lmaooo.
Yea, i also feel his rotation isn't optimal at all, even with his verina. Probably because he played while streaming Changli is indeed hard to play, but XY with Changli team is really hard to play because of the swap canceling. I really think she is much comfortable to play with sanhua or lumi as main dps, tho her main dps potential is kinda locked behind her sign weapon which i don't have. So for those who like changli out there, don't give up on her yet ;)
In my eyes it felt like he let his negative bias towards Changli heavily play into his thoughts which is really disappointing, since she is my favourite character to play in the game and she already is very strong DESPITE not being at full potential (a support who wants to swap super fast like Changli would be great for her).
Cool showcase, however as many people have mention in the comments, the way you played Changli is quite wrong and is the reason for her fallout damage. At max talent level 10, you should be able to manage a minimum of forte burst 50-60k and a liberation of 100-120k and since the forte burst can happen twice, that's like a free 200k nuke every time. Sanhua is a great dps for her to gain her forte stacks and this was NOT demonstrated. Please learn her correctly and make a revised video.
With Xiangli Yao and Changli, the bread and butter combo of this team while XY has his liberation active is to use his resonance skill (the uppercut), swap to Changli to do something with her like inferno rider, resonance skill or a true sight attack, then while XY is mid-air you swap back to him to do the follow-up of his resonance skill to fill up his forte bar, use a hypercube then swap back to Changli to do either her resonance skill, true sight attack, echo skill. Doesn't matter exactly what you do as long as you do something. Do Changli's forte heavy attack whenever you have full stacks and be careful to not do this combo if Changli has her concerto energy full because you will trigger XY's intro skill and cancel his resonance skill. Another trickier combo you can do is XY resonance skill into the follow-up, swap to Changli and do true sight charge (phoenix) into plunge attack, swap to XY into the hypercube then back to Changli to go straight to her basic attack 3 and 4 after landing to get true sight again. Also, 21:16 you don't want to stay on field with XY for the entire duration of Changli's outro buff because most of his damage is on the initial activation of his liberation so it's better to just intro into XY from Changli, use his liberation then go right back to quickswapping, or even just ignore the outro buffs entirely and just focus on using your skills as quickly as possible, since that is the main strength of duo dps teams, if you waste 10 seconds on XY without doing anything on Changli you'll lose a lot of dps. Even then this team still works decently well with minimal quickswaps because you'll just do insane damage anyway. Also Also, with duo dps teams in general you want to start the stage using the liberation on both of your dps characters early, even before getting the outro buffs from your support, since the buffs from the support aren't that big and can take some time to build up it's better to use the dpses liberation early in order to put them on cooldown and for you to be able to start getting energy for the second liberation as soon as possible. If you're able to use your dpses liberation as soon as they're done cooling down you know you're playing at least 90% optimally, any further optimization will be just the order in which you use your skills and executing everything without wasting any time thinking, which doesn't really matter that much (except for characters like Havoc Rover, since it can be hard to fill their energy up in only 16 seconds).
I just saw his Changli gameplay Bro actually didn't spend enough time in learning to play her efficiently, and yet he has the fucking audacity to say Changli is "not worth the time sink". Like bro, how do you know how much time you need to learn her playstyle when you're not even close to being done with the learning process lmao
exactly his point? don’t you know that most people are casuals? THEY CAN’T EVEN READ TO DO PINCER. i spent hours mastering dual dps triple dps quickswap, and that is peak unemployed behavior. yes she’s strong but guess what? this is a gacha game with casuals who don’t have the time to learn her. even worse on mobile where you can’t buffer during ult animation.
@@improvedkien4293 If he had any semblance of credibility, he would leave it at "avoid Changli, she isn't for casuals, you won't have fun playing her" instead of going on some copium shit and saying her damage is irrelevant and that you shouldn't swap to her IN HER QUICKSWAP TEAMS THAT ARE ONLY GOOD BECAUSE OF HER DAMAGE.
@@Silver-tb7hfThat's exactly his point. This video is targeted on the casual side player base. To be completely fair he at least showcased "how to play Changli" for the casuals, and even after trashing her, his Changli run turn out to be faster than some of his showcase. Changli is weak if not playing her correctly and not worth the effort + time for the majority of casual playerbase, that's a fact.
@@SenYeon Let's be honest here dude. None of his videos are for casuals. Casuals don't need to learn any proper rotation. Just basic support outro and button smashing does the job. So yeah, no.
21:18 this is so wrong, you have to swap to changli after EVERY SINGLE XY action, you are litterally playing xiangli yao hypercarry if you dont do this
@@pfortunato78 its an opportunity cost thing. you will lose the outro buff but you will have faster rotations and deal higher damage overall. ideally in changliyao, you almost always switch on changli for every action but you dont stay at her then go back to xly or pass through the healer for some concerto/forte stacking. honestly, saint need to do more research on changliyao rotations, he didnt do justice on this part
@@pfortunato78 the amount of dmg changli can deal during XY ult duration when quickswap are much more valuable than her own buff, even when the dps is encore this is also the case
At first yes i felt like Changli didn't do much dmg. But after failing ToA so many times, i decided to learn quickswap with XLY and holy she's so much fun to use and perform wayyy better than XLY hypercarry with Yinlin.
The only dps I can't get around is Jiyan. Even with good echoes and his BiS team (SK+Mortefi), without his sign, he can't do shit. Unlike Jinhsi who performs miles better despite me not having Zezhi and both using standard 5* claymore.
Mofo literally doesn't know shyt. Changli doesn't deal dmg when she deal half of team in quickswap team. Her forte and ult easily deal up to 100k+ dmg per rotation, doesn't even include her resonance skill dmg
you have no idea how much I needed this vid. you showed me the camellya rotation it helped me 30/30 the ToA for the first time and since then I wanted to see your rotations for other characters too. especially xly and changli I've been struggling with them. my xly has a terrible build so I have been trying to just improve my gameplay to cover for it. and my changli has great build but I had no idea how to use her
Hi Saintontas, this is good video, but do you mind to add keyboard overlay on the video? This is to see on each action, what buttons you pressing. Because for me, I notice that WuWa is very fast paced with the action and swapping, I need to slow down the video to understand the sequence of action you did on each character. Keyboard overlay will make me understand better.
I quite like Changli. My Changli/Chixia/Jianxin team kicks butt. Plus, I didn't get Shorekeeper. Couldn't swing both her and Camellya, and Camellya is my kind of crazy chick. I'm not that great a player (I'm working on it, but I'm old and busted now), so I do appreciate these sorts of guides regardless. I like to take the information in, do what I can with it to make the game even more fun for myself, but I don't sweat it too much if I can't completely clear a thing. Only so much time in the day.
Honestly this was actually really helpful for a guy like me with insanely good gacha luck but yet an insanely bad case of skill issue. Thanks Saint, I think I can finally 30 Star clear the TOA now thanks to this guide.
i think the changliyao section had too much bias leaking to it (bias is expected but this is a guide vid). one of the changliyao misconceptions is that you have to "take care" of changli's outro buff. but based from the speedruns ive seen and personal experience and testing, its a so-so thing, appreciable when u can use it but you shouldnt try to stick to xly (it becomes an xly hypercarry at that point). not enough animation cancels were also performed (some examples are the long skill animation of xly, changli quickswap truesight, and even verina swap to BA345 for forte stack, Q E jump forte swap). its true though that changli damage is low compared to others on a main carry setup and when played poorly. ironically, i think the scar run both proved that changli is hard to play and that changliyao has high potential (clear time not too far from the xly yinlin comp considering suboptimal quickswapping). edit: imo saint should address this and honestly learning and presenting changliyao would be free content idea for him
Everyone can be a hyper carry if you try hard enough. I cleared fallacy with Changli/Yapyap/Jianxin it was fun asf. Figure out who you like the most then invest on them, every character can clear tower with decent stats.
very good vid. Reflecting on my rotations its seems I just stuck with the ones that I saw first online. My Xiangli-Yao team rotation was from day one of his banner and my cameylla rotation was never fully thought through.
hi, nice tutorial.. corect me if im wrong, xiangli yao still can swap to changli in his ultimate mode.. quick swap changli and xiangli yao is really good if you get used to playing it.
I feel like Changli never was ment to be a dps tbh, considering her outro and pretty short rotation I feel like she was supposed to be a sub dps, the problem is that we dont have a premium 5* fusion dps yet
Changli is a bit of mix-bag imo which is why she is the perfect quickswap DPS. - decent damage, but not enough to be a main dps (her main dmg also came from forte-skill-lib.) - has buffing capabilities, but her concerto regen is very slow compare to yinlin
Even yet she is op Her quick Swap teams have the highest dps of all possible teams This guy ist yapping bs and played her on a pretty low lvl and way to slow In pro hands she is op and in good hands she is still very good and Yao + her clears super fast, If u can play them well
The fact that this guy is still out here spreading literal lies and misinformation about Changli is sickening tbh. Can’t use her properly, doing incorrect rotations and saying “no damage” right after he fails to crit 2 nukes in a row as if any character hits hard when they miss their crit? The hate boner he has for this character is legitimately embarrassing.
It's a very good guide for newbie, all the rotation is the basic/standard except the jiyan double dragon tech. And you claimed it at the end of your video. For whoever looking for advanced guide "it's not here bro".
MAY GOD BLESS U SAINTONAS! FINALLY A FULL GUIDE TO USING EVERY CHARACTER SWIFTLY WITHOUT FAIL/DELAY! TYSM PS:My guy u need to play changli properly tho, stop spreading fake tea and think u ain't gonna get caught lacking
his changli is not only mid but he doesn't know how to play with her lmao but yeah she's not a main dps that's clear, maybe we won't see her true potential until a fusion dps comes out (hopefully is not brant)
It is very viable to play Changli hypercarry with Zhezhi subdps also, not necessarily optimal, but competitive to be T1.5~ ish and requires minimal quickswapping for a much more intuitive ease of use rotation
Ur changli rotation was so weird, u had no clue what to do 😂 Changli quickswap teams are the fastest teams in the game rn Yao + changli is a lot faster then yinlin (and i love yinlin but duo dps is just faster if u play it well) Watch some great player like kurota, they show u how fast changli/yao rly is
On the point with Shorekeeper and Yinlin at about 12:00, it's a fairly tight window but Shorekeeper's stellar realm can and will last through Yinlin's and Xiangli Yao's full rotation for the enhance Intro skill with a little bit of wiggle room
Given the reaction from *so many* people in the comments, I've just gotta say; You're literally doing the same thing you got angry at Vars for doing, with Changli. You are claiming and acting like an authority with experience, skill, and proper knowledge of a character, whilst showcasing that you're not. If you don't like a character, for whatever reason, that's fine. But allowing that dislike to automatically determine weather or not you give that character a fair chance when talking about a factual review, is not.
Go watch the Wallensteins vid if you want to see how Changli is used, by someone that can play her. He only plays Changli with Verina here, so understates her damage and basically shits on her.
@ryuk5530 I mean morment channel and acqua gaming channel. Morment guide is kinda hard to pull off but on acqua gaming guide it's ez. Just compare it and see what's better.
My Hypercarry S0/R1 Changli will happily disagree, she really is hard to master, and being a mobile player makes it even harder due to being locked at 30 fps, yet she still clears TOA. My Changli be hitting ultimates of 170k and charged attacks of 80k. My team is Changli/YangYang/Shorekeeper.
Damn I missed your videos!!! I'm finally coming back after 3.5 months bro!! Any recommendations on what I need to do to catch up and be good? I'm at echo bank 13
You know you REALLY suck when you cant admit that you suck at changli and decide to blame it on the character, lets disregard the top changli quickswap clears for fun cause i have skill issue yep.
Think that the "Changli deals no damage" was just a bit of skill issue bud, honestly dont understand you struggled so much
@shaadow3242 It's hilarious because his Xly/Yinlin team barely cleared faster than his Xly/Changli team would have if he didn't die and quit out, and that's even with him BARELY playing Changli. In the nanoseconds that he put Changli on field, she STILL almost out valued ALL of Yinlin's buffs and personal damage. Saying that she deals no significant damage is blatant misinformation, and proof that he is letting his own personal feelings and hatred towards the character seep into a guide made for new, impressionable players.
@@Silver-tb7hf why does he hate her tho? I personally don't feel anything about her, but from the times I played her in event trials, she does descent damage. I'm planning to pull her for my Xiangli Yao, is there any reliable guide on her?
@@AIA222-yu5ml look for Selkey's XLY qs guide
@@anirogD9 thanks :)
exactly his point. don’t you know that most players are casuals? they can’t even read to do pincer.
i spent hours to master dual or triple dps quickswap, and that is peak unemployed behavior. for most casuals playing this game they have skill issue and no time.
he’s saying just don’t pull changli if you either on mobile, or is a casual (majority of playerbase).
see this why he’s so mad at elitists who play changli. ya’ll are condescending as hell just spamming skill issue. YES OF COURSE she’s strong if you spent time trying to learn, but some people don’t and they need to just pull for the easier character.
Yall I have a felling that saint doesn’t like changli
he HATES her
@@onepieceenthusiatt why tho?
Is this becuz she looks like that pink haired women in the other games, iykyk.
By the way he hates changli he even mentioned at the end of the video.
@@AIA222-yu5ml idk man he has some personal beef with her. the other day (on livestream) he said she's hard to play ( which pretty much everyone agreed on) but then he proceeds to say that "she does NO damage" which is pure bullshit. like does good amount of dmg for a sub-dps. also pairing her as dual-dps with other dps in game has lowest toa clear time (quick swap), eg with yao. also was apparantly comparing her dmg with xiangli yao. like of course she's not gonna do big dmg like a dps, that to in quickswap with barely any buff
In his beginner guide he also recommended don't pull for Changli 😢
Bobby 'Saint' Lee at it again.
Wait he do look like him tho 😂
Imo this is the right way to do things. Critique someone and then Show in a not insulting way how its done. Also this tutorial will help a lot of people (including me). Nice
Not when the critique is something so obvious that all you need is playing the game to understand it
Sainto, my friend, you might want to check your Changli build / rotation. Mine, a terribly built one, with 66/250 even hit 110-120k per ult with Verina and it can even be bribed to 140 with Shorekeeper. And I really don't care about rotation as much, if I see the flash I would press.
This. All of this.
same here i have an even worse built Changli that deals better, seems like even the character hates him back xD
yeah, my Changli is pretty well built with her sig weapon and all and i do between 200k-300k, thats even without her full team. once Brant and her fusion dps/buffer comes out, she will be really strong. problem is ppl talk bad about hard characters saying they are weak cuz they dont know how to play it properly
for xiangli yao and changli: i recommend not going for their outros and instead play them simultaneously, so while in liberation, xy can quickswap out of his skill, 3rd ba and his enhanced skills, wo weave in changli's skill
this gives much more dps than outro buffing (if you have well built changli)
@@abra2133 you can do that in hypercarry too,but only on first rotation.its called Hypercube opener but of course your using minimal buffs with that if you have sk signature or both with heron on yinlin.its kinda split rotation.
As a Changli main I find this video offensive. I don't care if she does less damage, for me she always gets the job done 😍
@@lsmsm9because that's not true 😢. human form scar is fusion res not goat form. This version is havoc and spectro res
As changli main, i agree that this character is hard to master. If u want clear toa with her u should do super quick swap or 2 dps like xy. Once u master that, i think toa is not a problem anymore
I go hypercarry with sanhua and shorekeep, I have no problem clearing TOA any floor
Idk why but the role of quick swap dps is completely disregarded by the community even though swap canceling is WUWA’s most prevalent combat mechanic imo. It’s either main dps or sub dps, and Changli shouldn’t be grouped in either category.
@@Gheniel_ dude he said MOST prevailing not WORSE prevailing check before u comment
@@kazekyuu5213 thanks for correcting I was reading this while multitasking🤣
@@Gheniel_ np
saint is getting cooked by changli mains lol
I mean the Changli mains are right and he is wrong. Changing does 180 k easily with ult and 120 k with her charged fusion bar. 300k damage + skill spams and echo =400-450 k per rotation. She is the best sub dps there can be in the game, also his unbuilt Changli team outperformed his favorite team but he died before finishing the boss cause he can't properly play Changli.
@@danieliacomi5411 its the other way around but yeah. Ur dpr number is more or less correct. Res skill amplified Changli forte hits harder than ult. Ult does 15%(res skill amplified team) - 35%(lib amplified team). The big hit on the forte is only 70% of its total dmg
Bro thinks he is the best wuwa player however can't use changli correctly. Just watch some CN bilibili creators bro before passing your judgement - Changli is S-tier or not!
The point of quickswap comps is to actually quickswap, yk. You're doing full combo rotations with Changli and not cancelling a single thing.
"Optimizing doesn't matter, Changli does no damage". Even while playing XY+Changli in the worst way possible they still cleared just 10 seconds slower than XY+Yinlin.
It's fine to not like a character, but I don't get why you're being so disingenuous. Just say she's not your cup of tea or that you don't know how to play her.
Changli just sounds like a skill issue. Brother does NOT have the credentials to be talking about her.
> every character
> Didn't see danjin
Ok dude
Nerd mode activated 🗿✨
Nahhh i saw this man play Changli on stream and he DOES NOT have the credentials to tell people how to play her.
Ok i just got to where he shows her gameplay and DUDE HE IS LITERALLY SPREADING MISINFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO PLAY HER I CAN'T MAN. "Deals no damage" like he isnt playing hyper-suboptimally and still clearing nearly as fast as his favorite Jiyan teams lmaooo.
His favorite isn't Jiyan, it's S1 Shorekeeper 🤓☝️
What's the right way to play her she doesn't do DMG for me
Yea, i also feel his rotation isn't optimal at all, even with his verina. Probably because he played while streaming
Changli is indeed hard to play, but XY with Changli team is really hard to play because of the swap canceling.
I really think she is much comfortable to play with sanhua or lumi as main dps, tho her main dps potential is kinda locked behind her sign weapon which i don't have.
So for those who like changli out there, don't give up on her yet ;)
Changli is hard to play but saying she "deals no damage" because you can't play her well is BS
In my eyes it felt like he let his negative bias towards Changli heavily play into his thoughts which is really disappointing, since she is my favourite character to play in the game and she already is very strong DESPITE not being at full potential (a support who wants to swap super fast like Changli would be great for her).
Changli is S tier for me though.
Don't have problem clearing TOA whatsoever.
Cool showcase, however as many people have mention in the comments, the way you played Changli is quite wrong and is the reason for her fallout damage. At max talent level 10, you should be able to manage a minimum of forte burst 50-60k and a liberation of 100-120k and since the forte burst can happen twice, that's like a free 200k nuke every time. Sanhua is a great dps for her to gain her forte stacks and this was NOT demonstrated. Please learn her correctly and make a revised video.
With Xiangli Yao and Changli, the bread and butter combo of this team while XY has his liberation active is to use his resonance skill (the uppercut), swap to Changli to do something with her like inferno rider, resonance skill or a true sight attack, then while XY is mid-air you swap back to him to do the follow-up of his resonance skill to fill up his forte bar, use a hypercube then swap back to Changli to do either her resonance skill, true sight attack, echo skill. Doesn't matter exactly what you do as long as you do something.
Do Changli's forte heavy attack whenever you have full stacks and be careful to not do this combo if Changli has her concerto energy full because you will trigger XY's intro skill and cancel his resonance skill.
Another trickier combo you can do is XY resonance skill into the follow-up, swap to Changli and do true sight charge (phoenix) into plunge attack, swap to XY into the hypercube then back to Changli to go straight to her basic attack 3 and 4 after landing to get true sight again.
Also, 21:16 you don't want to stay on field with XY for the entire duration of Changli's outro buff because most of his damage is on the initial activation of his liberation so it's better to just intro into XY from Changli, use his liberation then go right back to quickswapping, or even just ignore the outro buffs entirely and just focus on using your skills as quickly as possible, since that is the main strength of duo dps teams, if you waste 10 seconds on XY without doing anything on Changli you'll lose a lot of dps. Even then this team still works decently well with minimal quickswaps because you'll just do insane damage anyway.
Also Also, with duo dps teams in general you want to start the stage using the liberation on both of your dps characters early, even before getting the outro buffs from your support, since the buffs from the support aren't that big and can take some time to build up it's better to use the dpses liberation early in order to put them on cooldown and for you to be able to start getting energy for the second liberation as soon as possible. If you're able to use your dpses liberation as soon as they're done cooling down you know you're playing at least 90% optimally, any further optimization will be just the order in which you use your skills and executing everything without wasting any time thinking, which doesn't really matter that much (except for characters like Havoc Rover, since it can be hard to fill their energy up in only 16 seconds).
I just saw his Changli gameplay
Bro actually didn't spend enough time in learning to play her efficiently, and yet he has the fucking audacity to say Changli is "not worth the time sink".
Like bro, how do you know how much time you need to learn her playstyle when you're not even close to being done with the learning process lmao
Can i use her as sub dps for camelleya
exactly his point? don’t you know that most people are casuals?
THEY CAN’T EVEN READ TO DO PINCER.
i spent hours mastering dual dps triple dps quickswap, and that is peak unemployed behavior.
yes she’s strong but guess what? this is a gacha game with casuals who don’t have the time to learn her.
even worse on mobile where you can’t buffer during ult animation.
@@improvedkien4293 If he had any semblance of credibility, he would leave it at "avoid Changli, she isn't for casuals, you won't have fun playing her" instead of going on some copium shit and saying her damage is irrelevant and that you shouldn't swap to her IN HER QUICKSWAP TEAMS THAT ARE ONLY GOOD BECAUSE OF HER DAMAGE.
@@Silver-tb7hfThat's exactly his point. This video is targeted on the casual side player base. To be completely fair he at least showcased "how to play Changli" for the casuals, and even after trashing her, his Changli run turn out to be faster than some of his showcase. Changli is weak if not playing her correctly and not worth the effort + time for the majority of casual playerbase, that's a fact.
@@SenYeon Let's be honest here dude. None of his videos are for casuals. Casuals don't need to learn any proper rotation. Just basic support outro and button smashing does the job. So yeah, no.
21:18 this is so wrong, you have to swap to changli after EVERY SINGLE XY action, you are litterally playing xiangli yao hypercarry if you dont do this
Arent you wasting changli's lib outro buff by swapping out of xly early though?
@@pfortunato78 its an opportunity cost thing. you will lose the outro buff but you will have faster rotations and deal higher damage overall. ideally in changliyao, you almost always switch on changli for every action but you dont stay at her then go back to xly or pass through the healer for some concerto/forte stacking. honestly, saint need to do more research on changliyao rotations, he didnt do justice on this part
@@pfortunato78 the amount of dmg changli can deal during XY ult duration when quickswap are much more valuable than her own buff, even when the dps is encore this is also the case
At first yes i felt like Changli didn't do much dmg. But after failing ToA so many times, i decided to learn quickswap with XLY and holy she's so much fun to use and perform wayyy better than XLY hypercarry with Yinlin.
The only dps I can't get around is Jiyan. Even with good echoes and his BiS team (SK+Mortefi), without his sign, he can't do shit. Unlike Jinhsi who performs miles better despite me not having Zezhi and both using standard 5* claymore.
How did you learn is there a yt guide?
@@cramax4871check out itssenpai, he makes excellent guides
Mofo literally doesn't know shyt. Changli doesn't deal dmg when she deal half of team in quickswap team. Her forte and ult easily deal up to 100k+ dmg per rotation, doesn't even include her resonance skill dmg
Skill issues
you have no idea how much I needed this vid. you showed me the camellya rotation it helped me 30/30 the ToA for the first time and since then I wanted to see your rotations for other characters too.
especially xly and changli I've been struggling with them. my xly has a terrible build so I have been trying to just improve my gameplay to cover for it. and my changli has great build but I had no idea how to use her
Thank you so much for the vid Saint! My friend is maining Jiyan, so this video will be really helpful for him.😁
Hi Saintontas, this is good video, but do you mind to add keyboard overlay on the video? This is to see on each action, what buttons you pressing.
Because for me, I notice that WuWa is very fast paced with the action and swapping, I need to slow down the video to understand the sequence of action you did on each character. Keyboard overlay will make me understand better.
I have skill issue so these kind of guides are really great for me lol..
Plenty of skill issues in the video to further develop the skill issues 👍
Changli main cope huh@@tdof7217
what was bro yapping about with changli lmao
I quite like Changli. My Changli/Chixia/Jianxin team kicks butt. Plus, I didn't get Shorekeeper. Couldn't swing both her and Camellya, and Camellya is my kind of crazy chick. I'm not that great a player (I'm working on it, but I'm old and busted now), so I do appreciate these sorts of guides regardless. I like to take the information in, do what I can with it to make the game even more fun for myself, but I don't sweat it too much if I can't completely clear a thing. Only so much time in the day.
I just did some test with your combos and its really works good
GG nice guide
The Pear of WuWa
yo that Changli take almost as bad as Vars take her damage is fine especially with quickswap like others have pointed out
Double Intro Camellya Changed My Life
Saint dont even know how to play changli Yao team ... that funny .
Funny..thats exactly why im clicking on this vid..my XY liberation never reach 100k im pissed
Damn Shorekeeper really is a must pull.
Always been.
Bro I love them u make video like that they re so helpful KEEP COOKING
Great dissection 👍
another thing I like doing with Jiyan is using his resonance skill directly after popping his ultimate that way you can close the gap with the enemy
Changli dominating her place as a skill issue character. If u dont learn how to handle her u dont deserve her
This is the kind of content I wanna see from Saint Khan
Niceeee, the tutorial so gooddd.
Yeah but its missing some characters like Changli, Encore and Calcharo.
I really needed this video
No Encore?😢
I know I'm not the only one still using her as my 3rd dps....
@@beingprovidenceshe's good with changli. 3starring the middle tower since 2nd tower reset and still hasn't failed me
No calcharo either disappointing
Honestly this was actually really helpful for a guy like me with insanely good gacha luck but yet an insanely bad case of skill issue. Thanks Saint, I think I can finally 30 Star clear the TOA now thanks to this guide.
Love the fact that getting the double dragon tech footage was longer than the whole video 😅
i think the changliyao section had too much bias leaking to it (bias is expected but this is a guide vid). one of the changliyao misconceptions is that you have to "take care" of changli's outro buff. but based from the speedruns ive seen and personal experience and testing, its a so-so thing, appreciable when u can use it but you shouldnt try to stick to xly (it becomes an xly hypercarry at that point). not enough animation cancels were also performed (some examples are the long skill animation of xly, changli quickswap truesight, and even verina swap to BA345 for forte stack, Q E jump forte swap).
its true though that changli damage is low compared to others on a main carry setup and when played poorly. ironically, i think the scar run both proved that changli is hard to play and that changliyao has high potential (clear time not too far from the xly yinlin comp considering suboptimal quickswapping).
edit: imo saint should address this and honestly learning and presenting changliyao would be free content idea for him
Everyone can be a hyper carry if you try hard enough. I cleared fallacy with Changli/Yapyap/Jianxin it was fun asf. Figure out who you like the most then invest on them, every character can clear tower with decent stats.
very good vid. Reflecting on my rotations its seems I just stuck with the ones that I saw first online. My Xiangli-Yao team rotation was from day one of his banner and my cameylla rotation was never fully thought through.
changli slander incoming
hi, nice tutorial.. corect me if im wrong, xiangli yao still can swap to changli in his ultimate mode.. quick swap changli and xiangli yao is really good if you get used to playing it.
I feel like Changli never was ment to be a dps tbh, considering her outro and pretty short rotation I feel like she was supposed to be a sub dps, the problem is that we dont have a premium 5* fusion dps yet
Changli is a bit of mix-bag imo which is why she is the perfect quickswap DPS.
- decent damage, but not enough to be a main dps (her main dmg also came from forte-skill-lib.)
- has buffing capabilities, but her concerto regen is very slow compare to yinlin
Even yet she is op
Her quick Swap teams have the highest dps of all possible teams
This guy ist yapping bs and played her on a pretty low lvl and way to slow
In pro hands she is op and in good hands she is still very good and Yao + her clears super fast, If u can play them well
The fact that this guy is still out here spreading literal lies and misinformation about Changli is sickening tbh. Can’t use her properly, doing incorrect rotations and saying “no damage” right after he fails to crit 2 nukes in a row as if any character hits hard when they miss their crit? The hate boner he has for this character is legitimately embarrassing.
It's a very good guide for newbie, all the rotation is the basic/standard except the jiyan double dragon tech.
And you claimed it at the end of your video.
For whoever looking for advanced guide "it's not here bro".
Oh so that's the horrendous Changli take ppl been talking about huh.
MAY GOD BLESS U SAINTONAS! FINALLY A FULL GUIDE TO USING EVERY CHARACTER SWIFTLY WITHOUT FAIL/DELAY! TYSM
PS:My guy u need to play changli properly tho, stop spreading fake tea and think u ain't gonna get caught lacking
Encore and Kakarot got forgotten
Not all dps, what about Encore and Calcharo?
They sub dps, mb.
those two are sub now
calculator is dead, over nerfed before Kuro knew their game was going to pop off
@greii2851 They are? My bad then, didn't know that. Thanks for telling me!
WHAT ARE THESE REPLIES. THEY AREN'T SUB DPS.
💀💀💀 Encore and Calcharo are still main dps.
@@hikarii53real. Bro's ain't lookin straight xD encore is still an insane DPS. She's like a single target Jiyan
his changli is not only mid but he doesn't know how to play with her lmao but yeah she's not a main dps that's clear, maybe we won't see her true potential until a fusion dps comes out (hopefully is not brant)
Awesome vid bruh. Any guides for havoc rover rotation? Asking for those who main it haha
thank you St.
It is very viable to play Changli hypercarry with Zhezhi subdps also, not necessarily optimal, but competitive to be T1.5~ ish and requires minimal quickswapping for a much more intuitive ease of use rotation
Shorekeeper works better than verina for the changli and xangli yao team
Ur changli rotation was so weird, u had no clue what to do 😂
Changli quickswap teams are the fastest teams in the game rn
Yao + changli is a lot faster then yinlin (and i love yinlin but duo dps is just faster if u play it well)
Watch some great player like kurota, they show u how fast changli/yao rly is
Wow Changli really does play the same as Jinshi
-f0bm4ster, a mint picker 2024
On the point with Shorekeeper and Yinlin at about 12:00, it's a fairly tight window but Shorekeeper's stellar realm can and will last through Yinlin's and Xiangli Yao's full rotation for the enhance Intro skill with a little bit of wiggle room
I get to learn my characters better and also watch something enjoyable 👍
No Kakarot? Sadge. But really thanks a lot for the guide, Saint. As someone stuck at 27* in the ToA, this will help me a lot
Given the reaction from *so many* people in the comments, I've just gotta say; You're literally doing the same thing you got angry at Vars for doing, with Changli. You are claiming and acting like an authority with experience, skill, and proper knowledge of a character, whilst showcasing that you're not. If you don't like a character, for whatever reason, that's fine. But allowing that dislike to automatically determine weather or not you give that character a fair chance when talking about a factual review, is not.
now i want changli just so i can learn her and dunk on this kid
W Editor for bringing this video to life
Video title should be "Every Limited DPS" since the base roster ones weren't brought up
Changli is so complex, Saint can't even play her XD. Watch Wallenstein Ch Carlotta Changli Quickswap amd see how a real skill player does it
Finally, peak theorycrafting
he is actually making guides
thank you for this video, this helps alot. Also are you going to continue this series once 2.0 char are droping? 🙄
Youre so good 😂
Sadly i only have Encor3 and the kung-fu lady 😢
Go watch the Wallensteins vid if you want to see how Changli is used, by someone that can play her. He only plays Changli with Verina here, so understates her damage and basically shits on her.
Wait a minute was there no encore ?
Neither calcharo, i was hoping for some calcharo rotation with yinlin since i'm building them.
It was for limited characters i think because he mentioned about based on their release dates
The show ended but there was no encore
Why you didn't include the Hypercube opener rotation on xly? Well whatever i think this guide are for newbies.
Where can i check that rotation
@ryuk5530 mortefi channel
@ryuk5530 I mean morment channel and acqua gaming channel.
Morment guide is kinda hard to pull off but on acqua gaming guide it's ez. Just compare it and see what's better.
yea you never play changli by herself lmao
thanks for the guide tho I've been waiting for this especially xiangli yao since I still use *4 weapon
They really need to give us a better echo to use than inferno rider. He is sometimes so clunky to use and half the time I miss the last attack
31:28 That Camellya movement😂
That one chatter saying Carlotta doesn't have a dedicated Sub-DPS. Wonder what they're smoking.
Re: ChangLi - I feel like she's most useful when you can cheese her animations for gap close. Bird feels too floaty like jigglypuff when you want fox.
Finally a wuwa video outside of gacha drama
"Every DPS" i feel betrayed for not seeing Cucaracha, havoc rover and chixia
calculator died
My Hypercarry S0/R1 Changli will happily disagree, she really is hard to master, and being a mobile player makes it even harder due to being locked at 30 fps, yet she still clears TOA. My Changli be hitting ultimates of 170k and charged attacks of 80k. My team is Changli/YangYang/Shorekeeper.
Where danjin at?
what about the wolly warrior?
Damn I missed your videos!!! I'm finally coming back after 3.5 months bro!!
Any recommendations on what I need to do to catch up and be good? I'm at echo bank 13
Why are Changli and Jinhsi on different sections of the video? I thought they have the same gameplay? 🤔
Wuwa desperately needs more content creators. Because this is not content. How can someone be a Wuwa CC and be *this* allergic to the swap button.
I would love if there was 4 stars showcase.
using other characters other than the 5 stars cause pull issue op
You know you REALLY suck when you cant admit that you suck at changli and decide to blame it on the character, lets disregard the top changli quickswap clears for fun cause i have skill issue yep.
Hail mr. Saint
Vars could never
vars2 catching strays 😂😂😂
I agree with some but that Changli gameplay was the most horrible one I saw.
This is video is for fobm4ster as he thinks jinshi and changli play thr same apparently
you are not who i thought you were. lol i am happy actually.
2.0 needs to hurry up, I've cleared all of the holograms and all of TOA, I literally have nothing to do in the game currently...
Bobby Lee in a gentlemen attire