In 2013 a person showed me the PSY video and I was laughing and learned the dance but did not know ANYTHING about of Southern Korea. In 2018 I saw BTS perform Idol on Good Morning America and my mouth dropped. I learned everything about about BTS and every video song, America Hustle, BangTang Bombs, and reactors with BTS. Now I am very interested with Korea culture and have learned some Korea language and learn about the culture through BTS video. They are great ambassadors and great icons.
Now that you have learned about BTS try some other groups as well, EXO, NCT 127, SHinee, there are so many and also the girl groups. Try watching the kdramas too. 100 Days My Prince, Boys Before Flowers, What Happened to Secretary Kim, Your Beautiful, Oh My Venus, Bride of the Century these are all Kdramas with Idols in them but there are so many more. And go on RUclips Caricakes, 2Hearts1Seoul, Adrienne Hill they all live there and have channels so you can see Seoul through them and their channels also Sissel. Have 🤩 fun
As an outsider I don’t understand why exception been given to pianist and Olympic athletes but not been extended to artist and performer who have bring honourable name to the nation, biggest economic pulling factor (record breaking album sales), introducing international fan with K culture and language etc. I think the biases and discrimination against idol are too strong. Why are their efforts not been equally recognised?? Because they are from entertainment industry?? From the way I look it the level of contributions the boys have done are more that enough, I have yet seen any K politicians ever been invited to White House and giving multiple speeches at UN.
I agree with you. Unless its the situation that no one else can be exempted but the truth is, certain groups are being exempted by law. BTS' contribution is no less than those who are allowed to exempt by law so being not exempting them they are not recognising their contribution.
Even GO players and techies can get exempted. Someone on Twitter said those pianists/other musicians don't even have to win an international contest...it can be domestic.
Before you all talk about BTS you must understand this first and you all need to understand why Korea couldn't become a world power. After liberation of Korea in 1945, there were over 1Million Japanese who remained in Korea. They changed their Korean names and lived as Koreans, occupying major government posts and harming Korea. We call them pro-Japanese (친일파)force. Now they're the 3rd generation of Japanese in Korea has penetrated politics, press media, ministers ,governors and various government service etc ,, they're100% back by Japanese gov't. These anti-Korea (pro-Japanese친일파) forces are the main reason why BTS couldn't get the military exemption. The pro-Japanese force has been against the military exemption for BTS because disappearing BTS from public is good for Japan. Although Korea was liberated in 1945 and eradicate Japanese, the remain cancer cells are growing in Korea and this is the fact, If you ask any Korean they will tell you the same.
Well the Olympic athletes makes sense. They have to train all year round to perform in their sports games. Military would get in the way of that. Kpop Idols can always make music after military with no issue and they can always put out videos (made in advance) to the fans if they are in military..they can record a whole concert in advance online. Athletes cannot do that. They must train hard and be actually present to perform. Also they can’t win games by popularity…they have to win. Kpop Idols can win stuff based off popularity. Lastly, the training they get for the Olympics keeps them really fit and is intense too and they are already directly serving their country in the sports. Their exemption makes sense.
All the discussions from the politicians will make it harder for BTS when they enlist. I hope they will not suffer abuse from the people in the military.
why are you affirming the opposite notion when it looks like there's a good chance they can be exempted. i can't believe it's not obvious to every Korean that its shooting themselves in the foot not to vote for exemption.
Dont worry, most probably they will be okay. They are not the first group of artist that goes to military service and those with a strong mindset did quite well, BTS are great on that aspect and know well about struggling and push themselves to reach an objective. Also, i think is 1.5 yrs now instead of 2.
Ikr...i never knew about the harrasment idols face in the military...they are treated like zoo animals by others and mistreated by the officials...and to top it all off being watched and snapped while taking a shower...ugh just the thought of this disgusts me 😖
They are were they are in part because they are charismatic so they should be fine. And do not forget that at at least not all will serve in the military force, Suga, Jimin and probably Jin and V are almost warranty to be send to social service given their long lasting injuries, in V case his allergy and Jin because the risk for his joints. As it is right now maybe the only ones fitted for military training are J-Hope, Namjoon and JK. And social serving will imply for them to keep their movement freedom and housing but not being allowed to work in their schedules as artists.
It's so typical now that the government is aware of how much money they are losing when BTS is not shoveling in the millions. They wanted to give their answer to this whole issue back in April, and it was postponed yet again. And then BTS took it into their own hands. Their break is their way to say eff you. We all know that in KPop a break/solo careers means male groups are going into military service. That is why Jin during FESTA said he will be the last with solo projects because he will be starting his mil service in December. At this point they should go into military service, just to spite the government. Which exemtped athlete or musician before BTS had an impact on a global scale? Names? -- Yeah ... right. BTS already did so much for Korea: Contributing significantly to the GDP. BTS continuously increased tourism to Korea, increased the interest in Korean culture, language and image. Presidential envoys, speakers at the UN. They are the faces of modern Korea, positive, hard working and compassionate.
They (government)should be smart enough to take BTS-Army's heart with their decision, exemption or not. It's not quite far from money or any advantages they will get. We talk about the global fandom here, millions Army are waiting for their decision.
I really think it - BTS doing service - would make less of an impact that fans think it will. There is so much more to South Korea than just BTS and I'm sure their Government is well aware of that fact. There are other Kpop groups taking the world by storm at the moment - Korean actors are being invited to take part in international roles etc. Everything does not begin and end with BTS 🙄
@@annetterawlings4549 That has been happening since the early 2000s. We had Shinwha, Rain aka Bi, Big Bang, 2NE1 but they did not reach the fame and influence in the West that BTS did and does and believe me they tried. Yes, there will be others now stepping into the breach but BTS got the fanbase because of their music, their lyrics, their whole characters. Look at the 3rd generation idols and their songs, they look so white washed and perfect and poppy it is a step back into the whole perfect idol culture of the old B3. They might get a following in the US, they might even get a following in Europe and South America, but they never reach the impact on ppl BTS have with their music. Additionally, fanbase wise - there won't be another ARMY. BTS could just sit on stools a whole concert and just sing their songs without dancing and the whole flash and bang of a concert and still ppl would be coming to see them. Because they are different, they are different to other idols and they are different to most of the Western pop stars out there.
@@sc0ttishlass I don't disagree with you but don't totally agree either - Look at Enhypen, EXO, MonstaX and Treasure - just to name a couple others who are breaking out internationally - and there will be plenty of others. Yes BTS probably paved the way for them but I guess the same could be said for the Beatles or Rolling Stones back in their day.
The government takes advantage of them. They used BTS to be sure to get the 2030 Expo in Korea! That irritates me more than anything knowing how they are used. I know the boys are always willing to do for their country, but part of me was hoping they'd say nope we're on hiatus! Govt takes advantage of them! Riding their coattails as usual!
I am an American but I cannot think of ANY other Korean "man" that has been invited to the White House, or to the U.N. TWICE...just BTS. If this isn't what the exemption is for...I don't get it! I think it is strictly age-ism and cultural bias!!!
Lol they were being used. Fact is they had no qualifications to speak on either issue. Rim's speech was incoherent and BTS come from a homogeneous largely racist country yet the ly think they have the right to comment on Asian American hate. Why do you think they weren't allowed to answer any questions lol BTS is racist themselves
No disrespect intended here, but which athletes or classical musicians have appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, called to action by world leaders like US President Biden and the United Nations? Was it also estimated that BTS' contribution to Korea's GDP rivals that of Korean Air? That's not just $ per se, but creating jobs, increasing tourism. Would K-gov ever consider grounding an airline? Additionally, the global impact of the BTS Effect seeps into the intangibles. They have uplifted 100s of millions of lives. Globally speaking, Chicago (where I'm at) is a small town. Korean restaurants and markets have popped up in this area rapidly over the past 4 years. Beyond cultural, social, and economical effects, BTS is a Global Treasure. Yes, they started out wanting to sing and dance, and they have sacrificed so much of themselves for 10+ years, but along the way, the world has grown to need them, so they additionally give of themselves bc BTS is a group of dutiful, responsible, respectful human beings. It's astounding how far this young group of men have come, despite obstacles and adversities. For all that BTS has given, the least K-gov and country can do for them is, "Thank you for your love and service to your country. Please keep the 18 months for yourself and your family." Grounding BTS for an idea in need of re-examining would be a disservice to the country. Negatively impacting the economy would be but the first symptom of an impractical (non)decision.
I don't think the government has quite figured out that by failing to acknowledge BTS's service, they are also failing to appreciate how much they- the government- owe the fanbase. It isn't BTS who buys the albums, votes in award shows, streams music videos, breaks records... learns about Korean food, fashion, culture and language. It's ARMY. International ARMY. HYBE pays the highest entertainment taxes in the country because of ARMY. Korean goods are in demand overseas because of K-pop, and the faces and voices of K-pop are mainly BTS's; it's ARMY that keeps pushing the hallyu wave along. We are, of course, aware that our support of BTS provides benefits to the government as well as to HYBE- and we've been willing to accept that. Refusing to exempt them is actually quite an insult to BTS and ARMY. It tells us the government is perfectly content to take the money and claim the prestige, but not to recognize the guys' hard work and sacrifices as significant contributions to their country. They're 'only' K-pop, after all, not Olympic athletes or classical musicians, so they haven't accomplished anything worth exempting. It also tells us that all we've accomplished FOR them isn't worth acknowledging; the opinions of Korean citizens who dislike the exemption rank higher than the opinions- and actions- of mere foreign K-pop fans. So I think there's a very rude awakening on the 2023 horizon for the Korean government. And I think that by the time they realize just what a can of worms they've opened on themselves, it'll be too late to do anything about it. Any government that can't agree on exemption terms in 4 years isn't going to be able to agree on how to reverse a hallyu drought before it does irreparable damage to the country. ARMY won't stop supporting BTS, but supporting a group and supporting their country are entirely different things, and the one does not necessarily have anything to do with the other.
Heung yun Son is a footballer who is a global athlete, he put S. Korea on the map in Europe, he even met the British Queen as he plays for Britain's liverpool club which won the premier league which is a VERY huge thing as he is the first Asian to do so. Also there is another Athlete known as Chul Soon who is Korea's first global Bodybuilder who put Korea on the map when it comes bodybuilding, he won numerous gold medals and bodybuilding competition shows which you probably don't know about so i won't mention them, he is also the first Asian to host Mr. Olympic worldwide alongside Arnold schwarzenegger. Anyways, there are many, many athletes who broke the Asian stereotype and accomplished great things, it's not my fault that you don't know anything about Athletics, also not everything revolves around AmErIcA
I can't say anything about the military issue cause I'm not Korean but I feel that BTS has served their country more in doing their careers in music than in serving the military. I mean I never really had the desire to learn Korean before being an ARMY, now I'm taking lessons.
Doesn't matter what you think - have you ever considered that the members may WANT to go like every other man in Korea?? A lot of folks seem to feed on BTS for content as well the army and maybe them taking some time out is also to stop this suffocation ... let them just do what they want ....
What's wrong with the government. If your have a group of artists giving the govt over 5 Billion dollars a year and making the tourism industry grow larger and larger. I'm learning Korean language, because I want to visit Seoul in the near future, from the USA. Only because I Love BTS. Please don't Destroy BTS. For certain laws, it's good to have citizens' input. But this law better not too. I think raising taxes to make up the difference, that BTS can't give anymore. That's something people will think twice. Then how about the stock market, a lot of people will lose money, big business will lose too. KOREA DONT BE STUPID, THE NEW PRESIDENT SHOULD DO HIS JOB. BTS IS DOING A LOT FOR THE COUNTRY, WHO ELSE CAN DO THAT. DONT PUT A STOP TO THEM. GOVT DONT BE COWARDS
@@manm323 They already lost precious time on their careers due to Covid, so the military stint would just compound that loss. They are in their prime and would better serve their country doing what they do best.
@@manm323 Please don't say to people that what they think doesn't matter. It's just rude. This is a debate/discussion so by all means please do weigh in with your own opinion but there's no need to demean others in the process. And yes, I too think we need to take the members' own opinions into consideration but the fact of the matter is that we simply don't know enough about their individual personal feelings on this dilemma. I know that Jin has talked about it with his good friend celebrity chef Lee Yeon Bok and asked his advice on being in the military but in the end we just don't know their true inner feelings. 🤷♀️💜
Make sure that the military service is free from harrasment, bullying, torture etc. Some people have died because of such thing. Make sure that there are no freaking psychoes who dislike celebrities (especially KPop idols) and enjoy to "torture" in the camps. Army will "go after" the SK government for years if it happens to the boys.
Exactly a lot of male idols have talked about the treatment towards them in the miltary. G dragon had his medicial records linked, underwear size exposed and the size of his watches exposed by some creep. Imagine BTS. A lot of male idols talk about how uncomfortable it is showering with the men there because of how differently they treat them.
It worries me for those exact reasons. There is always some power hungry jerk that would love to take any one of them down to show his power. I worry for their SAFETY That is my main concern.
i am 21 and half-korean but i've been living in the philippines for as long as i can remember. all i can say is the south korean government will regret tiptoeing around this matter for too long and not giving BTS the military exemption everybody knows they rightfully deserve. from my point of view, it's very apparent how our government is taking advantage of the abundant benefits that BTS are singlehandedly bringing into the south korean economy while also not having the least bit of intention to repay BTS for it. all the combined major awards and recognitions won by athletes, musicians, and actors are nothing compared to the fame and glory that BTS have raked in for south korea. it's high time for our government officials to make a clear and straightforward decision on this; leaving this matter into the hands of the general public is so irresponsible and lazy of them. exempt BTS from enlistment, or suffer the incomprehensible loss afterwards.
I am so glad that you have said this, as I am Canadian. I don't feel it is my place to make a judgement call, but I have put my opinion out there. Politicians are the same all over the world...don't upset the voters or you lose your votes. It seems not one politician has the "parts" to make a decision on their own and want to see where the tally lands after voters have had their say. Then they can side with the popular consensus. As you said though they are not going to touch this subject. What is the expression..."why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free." They are getting what they need from BTS whether as a group of solo artists, so in their eyes why would they need to change the laws. Thing is, they need to look at the numbers that have been so drastically affected by BTS's hiatus. I think thus hiatus is conviently close to Jin enlistment date, so BTS did what they could to soften all the press regarding this subject. They asked their ARMY to wait patiently while they work on themselves, which they definitely need and deserve the break, but then they can pump out a lot of content until enlistment time. They go do the duty as the amazing men they are and return as incredible rested men who will delight their fans as always. I do believe they will enlist together do they can have each others backs when in the military. Some other k-pop Idols spoke up about the kind of treatment they got. BTS always protect each other and that is what I think they will do. This also minimizes the time they are away from fans and keeps them whole. They have said they "aren't BTS without all seven of them and ARMY".
I am a Korean and based on your comment, I can't see any hint of korean blood flowing in you and it's funny how can you comment on this without knowing a thing on our culture. As you've said you are in the Philippines and it seemed to me that you are Philippino and not a Korean at all. What you know is superficial and just based on perspective of a "fan", an international fan. Even the members want to serve the military and they have their own reasons. Just so you know, here in Korea we don't see their serving in the military wrong. In fact, we want them to serve already so the government can't use them anymore. Also, who are you to belittle the achievement of our other citizens? You are too delusional and biased to pinpoint that the achievement of our athletes, and artists are less than those of BTS'. Before BTS there were a ton of Korean who brought glory and fame to our country. You are disrespecting them, and yet you have the audacity to associate your ethnicity with us? Come on, have some shame, or better else don't use your illusory "korean blood" to comment on this matter.
@@ajaxp7176 Δεν συμφωνω με την απαντηση σας.Δεν εγραψε ασχημα λογια για την Κορεα ουτε για το λαο της.Ο πολεμος φιλε μου δεν γινεται εδω και χρονια με τα οπλα,αλλα με τα συμφεροντα των μεγαλων δυναμεων.Ειμαι ΕΛΛΗΝΙΔΑ αγαπω την χωρα που γεννηθηκα αλλα και ελευθερωσαν οι προγονοι μου απο τους κατακτητες.Στα αρχαια χρονια η Ελλαδα εδωσε τα φωτα του πολιτισμου σε ολον τον κοσμο.Απο την μεταπολιτευση το 1974 και μεχρι σημερα οι πολιτικοι καταφεραν να την καταστρεψουν οικονομικα.Δεν χρειαστικε να γινει πολεμος για να την καταστροφη της.Η Κυπρος ειναι 1 νησι στην Μεσσογειο θαλλασα ειναι διχοτομημενο,σε βορειο και νοτιο οπως και η Κορεα,ο λογος αρνηθηκε ο τοτε προεδρος τους οι αμερικανοι να βαλουν βασεις.Επειδη εδω και χρονια αρχισα να παρακολουθω οτι αφορα την Ν.Κορεα και ο λογος που εδειξα ενδιαφερον ηταν η ηθοποιος KHS μια γυναικα με μεγαλη προσφορα σε αυτους που εχουν αναγκη,βραβευμενη και αναγνωρισμενη με πολλες επαγγελματικες ιδιοτητες.Οι BTS που εχουν προσφερει πολλα οικονομικα κερδη στην χωρα τους στην δυσκολη κατασταση 3 χρονων,που καμμια εταιρεια εξαγωγικη ,κανενας παραγωγικος ομιλος σε οποιονδηποτε τομεα δεν εφεραν κερδη ,αντιθετα βαση του διεθνες χριματηστηριου ειχαν πτωση.Οσο για την διαφθορα στην Κορεα υπαρχη οπως σε ολο τον κοσμο.Παραδειγμα αθοωσαν 1 τραγουδιστη που ειχε κατηγορια για κακοποιηση στην συντροφο του,το δηκαστηριο τον αθοωσε επειδη μια μαρτυρας κατεθεσε οτι η συντρφος του τραγουδιστη της ειχε πει οτι δεν ηταν ετοιμη να κανει παιδι.Η κοπελα ανεβασε στα μεσα κοινωνικης δικτιοσης συνομιλια που ειχε με τον κατηγορουμενο απο αυτα που της εγραφε ηταν ενοχος γιστι το δικαστηριο δεν τα ελαβε υποψιν του;;;;Οποιος εχει λεφτα φιλε μου και μεσον αθοωνεται.Αυτο δεν λεγεται δολιοφθορα;;;;Οι BTS εκαναν την Κορεα γνωστοι σε ολον το κοσμο,μπορει να υπαρχουν και αλλοι καλλητεχνες ειδωλα στην Κορεα,αλλα ειναι ειδωλα στην Ασια και μερικα στις ΗΠΑ οχι παγκοσμιος.Οι πολιτικοι της Κορεας με τις μεχρι σημερα ενεργειες του προσπαθουν να καταστρεψουν την οικονομια σας και το βιοτικο επιπεδο της χωρας σας.Ολες οι χωρες ανα τον κοσμο με τα μετρα που πηραν κατα της Ρωσιας καταφεραν να ανεβασουν το δολλαριο και να μην μπορουν να πληρωσουν τα δανεια που εχουν παρει γιατι πληρωνουν σε δολλαρια αναγκαζονται να παρουν δανειο απο ΔΝΤ. που τους επιβαλλει να παρουν μετρα κατα των λαων τους αναγκαζοντας τους να ζουν στα ορια της φτωχειας και της εξαθλιωσεις.Οι ηγετες των περισσοτερων κρατων πεζουν το παιχνιδι των κυριαρχων για να ελεγχουν το καθε κρατος με αντιτιμο την μεγαλη καρεκλα και να γεμιζουν τους τραπεζικους λογαριασμους τους.Οταν εχεις μια τοσο μεγαλη πηγη εσοδων την βοηθας με οποιον τροπο μπορεις σαν κρατος για να ανεβαζεις την οικονομια και δεν προσπαθεις να την καταστρεψεις.Ολος ο λαος της Κορεας σταθητε στο πλευρο τους για την ενησχησει της οικονομιας σας,μην παιζεται το παιχνιδι των πολιτικων και των στρατιωτικον που σας κυβερνουν.Ολα αυτα σου τα γραφω για να δεις τι γινεται και σε αλλα κρατη της Δυσης και πως λειτουργει το συστημα καταστροφης ενος κρατους. Με αγαπη στον κορεατικο λαο💞💞💞💞💞💞,και στους BTS💞💞💞💞💞KHS💞💞💞💞💞💞💞LMH💞💞💞💞💞💞ΜΕ ΑΓΑΠΗ ΑΠΟ ΕΛΛΑΔΑ🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷🇰🇷
I cannot believe the government and people who don't want to give the military exemption to BTS. They have brought Korean culture to the world. Also they are Unicef ambassadors and of course spoken at the white house.. They have served Korea so honorably.
yeah they are.... and I just couldn't believe by the fact that they were meeting the president of the United States.... and that surprised me also when they met him.... so it surprises me by the fact that they met President Biden... so it's still surprises me when I think about it...
All BTS members have said publicly on numerous occasions, they are would be proud to honour their country like every other male for the last 50 years before them, to do their time. This will have had an input into the ROK governments decision making too.
Thank you for your clear logical discussion about BTS and Korea’s mandatory enlistment. I’m not Korean but I’m now extremely interested in all things Korean as a result of listening to BTS. Surely acting as ambassadors for your country means you are contributing meaningfully and positively to your country’s international standing politically and culturally. Plus their amazing groundbreaking records on overseas music charts etc which also highlights Korean K-pop culture and the fact that they contribute 0.3% to the Korean economy are reasons enough to be exempted I would have thought. I do not know of any person who has been exempted who has contributed as much as BTS has. A good politician drives policy not governs by committee.
Another thing too that many have not touched on as a scenario is if a war breaks out & S.Korea would need to be involved. If BTS was exempted, perhaps they would be out of harm's way. However, if that hypothetical war breaks out when BTS (any or all of the members) is serving, what then? Would they be ushered out of harm's way & stay at HQ, or would they be forced to be out in the field when EVERY soldier is required, including those at boot camp? What about volunteering to be out in the field instead of a military desk job? The Ukranian war is a big example that a war can break out any time when least expected. Russia is near South Korea, but North Korea is even closer. Those are 2 ticking time bombs & one of them had already blown up. The Russo-Ukrainian war actually started around 2014 & was ongoing, with a bit of peace & hibernation inbetween, until it woke up this year. The North & South Korean conflict has been going on since the 1950's, which turned into a cold war, but just one misstep & that can blow up as well. And it's not just those 2 scenarios. There are other world conflicts that we cannot even forecast. Also think about an extreme worst-case scenario where BTS is sent to a ground zero conflict & one of them gets killed. That would be a bad day not only for South Korea but globally. Figuratively & literally, BTS did take a bullet for you. Again though, hypothetical worst-case scenario. Everyone exercises worst-case scenarios in order to be prepared for the worst. We just hope that the best is "yet to come" & not the worst.
@@janvdb9258 ... So why did you not tell the whole world when & what Putin was going to do exactly 5.2835 years ago before he continued the Russo-Ukranian war at end of February 2022 so that at least everyone was ready to evac? Or why does that mortgage contract require 2 signatures instead of one. Or why do we need a Vice President (in the US) or a chain of command for most governments? Or why do we need to have weather forecasts at all? Or would you rather have airlines not do pre-flight checks & maintenance repairs before an aircraft flight that you're going on? Or why is there a military border between North & South Korea with soldiers standing by? Or why Armageddon begins in anno domini 2061 & no one is doing anything about that skyscraper-sized asteroid heading towards Earth? The reason is you have to prepare for worst-case scenarios & not assume at all. The Y2k bug would have done a lot worse if companies & programmers did not start going through codes at least 5 years prior. To say there won't be a war is like saying that fated Sewol Ferry will be ok on its entire voyage back in 2014. Every situation is considered 50/50, you just have to put faith into it that it will go well. And here's the smoking gun ... the fact that SK even has military conscription is evidence enough that they are preparing for worst case, if & when it happens. As the old saying goes, "To assume is to make an ASS out of U & ME."
If the government refuse to outright exempt BTS I think they should at the very least place them in a public service or ambassadorial/diplomatic role. Instead of a basic military role their skills could be utilized to much greater value to South Korea than running round a field, learning weaponry and doing standard soldier type activities.
This! I wholeheartedly agree. At this point, given their position and impact to South Korea’s economy, I don’t understand why the government hasn’t considered them more for a “goodwill ambassador” or “cultural ambassador,” role. I will state-I’m not Korean so I’m speaking from an outsider perspective.
Exactly! Still serve their country but in a different way. Personally, I think they could be used to gather attention to some of their less popular charities or most needy charities because ARMY is always there to help. Just saying, philanthropy is one avenue. I heard for Yoongi's birthday one year, ARMY took on this village (forgot what country but S. America) it was an impoverished village that suffered some natural disaster and they didn't have the money to rebuild. Army did though! In fact, the video I saw said they added Yoongi's name to the village name in appreciation. Not to mention when Bighit & BTS donated $1M to BLM, Army matched it. If the Korean govt was smart, they're already using, and taking advantage of BTS for their purpose...they used BTS to ensure they get the World Expo in 2030! So the Korean govt is not stupid, they know BTS is valuable to them, and they're afraid of public opinion. So take advantage of them in philanthropic ways that benefit their country.
This makes perfect sense, the government of South Korea could appoint them as official ambassadors at large, they have already met and spoke with world leaders, recently with President Biden, they spoke at the United Nations, they are serving their country on a daily basis.
Athletes and musicians are exempt. Were they ever invited to the White House? Have they been Republic of Korea's Special Presidential Envoys for Future Generations and Culture? Have these exempt Korean citizens been invited to speak to UNICEF's General Assembly? Have these exempt Korean citizens join forces with UNICEF to help end violence, abuse and bullying and to promote self-esteem and well being among children and youth globally? Are these Korean exempt citizens known world wide? Have these exempt citizens have fans that contributed and donated millions of dollars to charities? Have these exempt citizens been recognized and given awards for their accomplishments world wide? Have these Korean exempt citizens brought in as much money to S. Korea as BTS have? I just want S. Korea to be fair. Athletes, musicians, why not BTS? The South Korean government should pass a law to exempt BTS from military service and to thank them for their dedication and hard work globally and world wide. Take a poll! Ask who are in favor of BTS being exempt. By sending them to the military will create a lot of negativity towards the S. Korean Government world wide.
Thank you for putting into words what every Army around the world knows and believes, but what the South Korean government seems to be turning a blind eye to. What the South Korean government fails to understand is that not only is BTS national ambassadors for their country, but also global ambassadors for the entire world. They have accomplished more in their life span so far that anyone could ever hope to accomplish in their entire life. How many people can say that they have fans in over 193 different countries. Army is literally the biggest family on the entire planet. No one in history can claim that accomplishment. We are a force to be reckoned with, I don't think the South Korean government realizes how protective we are of our guys. If they are forced to do their military service, they better hope nothing happens to our guys.
Why can they not consider their diplomatic service as serving the government? Two UN trips and a meeting with the US President should knock a year off their service and then they just have to serve a year
If the Korean government didn't get the message recently when BTS announced they were looking at focusing on solo projects and someone mistranslated it to imply they were taking a long term hiatus - the financial hit the stock market took is only a fraction of what will happen when the members are removed from the public for 2 years and I don't know of any other group that are generating 3% GDP for Korea???
Doesn't matter - you want them to be slaves for entertainment just for the army and public and stock market ? If they want to join like their friends and brothers - they should go - they are not puppets - its not all about money !
If the boys do not all enlist at the same time ALL together, then the country will be losing more than 2yrs worth of revenue, atleast 4yrs at the very least, if not even longer...all depends on how the boys will enlist...if they're forced to enlist b4 the end of the year, rite now it's looking like the boys will enlist separately or atleast into 2 groups- the 4 eldest now & the 3 youngest once they return...could be l9nger than 5yrs...but who knows...2yrs alone is long enuf to kill a country's income that's for sure...I won't feel sorry for the country if they deny the exemption, that's all I've gotta say. Let's pray that the South Korean government makes an official announcement soon! 💜
Praying for the best to happen to BTS.... Although we all know that they've already served their country in so many ways that's even beyond imagination but still they are expected to give 1000% because they are BTS, why don't they acknowledge their sincerity and their exceptional acheivements.... I'm not a Korean so i don't really know about these issues but I hope and pray for the absolute happiness and wellness of BTS no matter what the final outcome will be💜
The truth is that nobody cares with classical music. I can't say any classical musicians name even in my own country, but I know every BTS members name.
Mentally exhausted from trying not to get slapped for saying the wrong thing? I got caught off guard😂😂🤣 Other than that I loved this video! I'm learning to speak Korean using 3 Learn Korean with BTS books! I plan on visiting S Korea next year too. I'm an ARMY and in favor of exemption! What other artist over all has the world in the palm of their hands while bringing positive attention to their country?!
NOOONE has had the affect on the world that BTS and no one deserves it more I pray nightly that they receive it however does half their country turn against them if they do....I feel mentally exhausted thinking about it and I can’t imagine what it’s doin to them
oohh, i need a TL;DR... I accelerated my learning for Korean, went to Korea, met friends there...all because of BTS For me, I started learning Korean after watching some Kdramas, made some friends to practice with in Korea, and that's about it. THEN BTS...I found BTS and they have made me reallly want to learn Korean, I watch their Vlives when they're live & no subtitles are available yet. Then I go back to see how well I did at comprehending, I'm getting better! yay! ALSO, I was able to go to Korea for their FanMeeting Magic Shop, got the OK from the Hubby, took him to Korea with me, finally met many of my language exchange friends, went to Busan, Jeju, & Seoul...Loved it all! We want to go back & would have by now if there wasn't that waste of time waiting period that we'd be stuck in a hotel. LOL BTS helped me get out of my comfort zone and I'm so happy I did! I've met some amazing people & ARMYs from all over the world & not just online. Next time we go to Korea, it will also be based on what BTS is doing... I heard that at one point 1 in every 13 visitors to Korea was there because of BTS. Wonder if that has increased but it's probably a weird time to gauge that since they've not had anything big in Korea for a while due to covid & also covid F'd everything up... I hope they get an exemption, if not Korea's merchandise industries, travel, etc may not increase like they want. i don't know...
Shame on the government for not making this decision sooner. How can the members plan their lives not knowing whether they are exempt or not? Well....now that they've decided to work on solo projects, IMO, they've helped the govt to make the decision to make them enlist. I get the suggestion of doing 3 months at a time, but do Korean corporations 'hold' their jobs for them each time they would go away? TBH, I wish, if they have to go, they would have all gone together during the pandemic. It might have provided them the 'break' they needed and maybe they could have come back as a group. But again, the govt. was wrong for not making a decision sooner. Meanwhile, I am biased as I'm still shocked that the former President was 'pardoned' after only 4 years in prison (Sewol) by the same President who appointed BTS as ambassadors. Where is the public stink about that? I really enjoy your video presentations and am smiling as you're describing the chair experience. I have two breaks in my back and my shoulder....wonder if that chair would help me? :) ARMY grandma
I agree with your comment of BTS enlisment. BTS deserves to be exempted. Though I’m not Korean, I’m proud to be Asian as BTS is also Asian. BTS has done much not only for Korea but also us Asian and people all over the world. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
That's why the OT7 make a decision to prepare the Army because until now they still in limbo.Thats why they come up the decision to take a break as a group and do solo career.
They're not only doing solo projects though. They just shifted their priorities. They're still working on new Run BTS episodes, will be attending the Fact Music Awards and have also confirmed a 2023 international concert in Seoul in support of the South Korean bid for the 2030 World Expo (at which time Jin will be in the military). So the problem is still very much relevant for them as a group and for the country as well.
They should be exempt, no one else has brought so much attention to South Korean culture like BTS has. They never asked to be ambassadors of Seoul or the faces of Korea but has taken on the responsibility beautifully. I do not like how the government has kept stringing them along for so long without a decision. The government takes pride in the boost of economy due to the money BTS brings into Korea but they can’t get military exemption is ridiculous. I also agree that a system should be created for pop stars if the ever reach BTS status in the future to be exempt for the military. All eyes are on South Korea’s entertainment now because of BTS. Something should be done to make Korea’s military more enticing for the general public. The stories I have heard are scary.
Why does that surprise you? The US Congress has been worthless for years-even decades. I also worry about BTS in the military and bullying and other negative aspects of the military. From the things I’ve heard about the US military-I would not want any child to go. It’s dehumanizing to say the least. However, if they do go, I’m hoping they can work in entertainment like Ji Chang Wook did-he was in a musical. But, ultimately I would like to see an exemption or see them go in all at the same time.
We are from Papua New Guinea. We never follow Korea not until we know BTS. We then feel the most respect and admiration to the Korean Culture and etc. Because of BTS. Hope that Korean Government and all Koreans are as proud as we are for BTS.
How many other K-pop star have been invited to the UN several times? How many other K-pop star has actually had a personal audience with the President of the United States? This is not an ordinary group. They are world ambassadors. When The other K-pop groups can add accomplishments like that, then they should be exempt too. Its not about the $$$. They are not buying the exemption. They have touch areas far beyond music.
@@zulynava4059 N. Korea isn't going to do anything. They keep the threat to stay relevant. No recent threats from them...noone is paying attention. N.K. would be stupid to attack...they know it would be their doom. Why do you think all this time, all they have done is test missiles...they are completely at a disadvantage and they know it...they know if they tried anything, their end, especially their current government will end. This is the reality they do not want to meet.
It takes a real understanding of the culture to be able to comment on that sensitive case. As a foreigner, I will not allow myself to say what is right or wrong to do. I think either or, BTS will have no choice but to enlist in order to avoid negative impact on their reputation specifically in Korea.
If you factor in how much money they bring in to South Korea and what happened recently when they announced a break. Makes you wonder how much South Korea will be affected when they are in military.
I do agree that it seems, (as an American ARMY), that they have contributed to their country's economy, promoted their culture, and brought so much Joy to the world, as well as how physically demanding their job is, acting as diplomats/ambassadors, the sacrifices they have made, and then seeing the pressure put on them when they announced that they were focusing on solo projects, (I'm sorry, I forgot the woman's name and title, who wrote a letter basically begging BTS to reconsider, and how negatively their absence will affect the culture), *deep breath* certainly seems like they have earned being exempted from service. As to what you were saying about breaking up service into blocks of time, I didn't see if anyone else mentioned this, but maybe they do it similar to the Reserves in the US. You go through Bootcamp, then serve small blocks of time.
I'm not from Korea but I don't understand why they don't just let them do boot camp like they've done for 1 or 2 idols in the past. That seems like an acceptable compromise. & while the government continues to drag their feet on the issue the country will continue to lose more & more $. Cuz plan & simple the rest of the world is not going to travel to Korea or buy products if they feel the ppl they fell in love with are being mistreated by their own government
People outside of South Korea would be surprised to learn that the majority of South Koreans do not believe BTS or others should even get a military exemption to begin with. And if BTS did receive an exemption their reputation within their own country would take a hit since they are considered role models. Its not about money pumped into their economy or accolades. It’s up to the government and their citizens to decide this issue. I love BTS. Whatever the government decides, BTS will come out of this fine.
I don't know where you get this false info but as a Korean I know 90% of Koreans wants military exemption for BTS, if you read Koreans, go to Korean portal sites where they talk about BTS and military.
@@speakupyt4900 I’m sorry I triggered YOU! Where did I get this information? From South Koreans! It’s sad that you are out of touch with the sentiments of your own country. 90%? I don’t think so! Alternative service as in some military service but not a blanket full exemption….Here’s the latest clip from Korea Now where you can see for yourself, young and old are divided on this issue just a day ago! ruclips.net/video/gDlhi2Kq35E/видео.html. And finally I hate to break the news to you but Jin will leave for the military in December. The Government knew what it was doing by pushing the issue to the population because like I said, most SK believe it’s BTS’ duty to serve and remains a sensitive issue. It’s ingrained in SK culture to serve because it’s still at war with North Korea.
BTS need to serve two years military service like the other Korean men. Many K-pop artists were at the height of their careers and had to go to the army.
bts keeps working, creating, winning , and are the strongest cultural influencers to the world: gastronomy, itistory, economy , foreigners the learning kthe korean language, etc, .it is a constant recognition of korea on the planet. unfortunetly sports and classical areas which are exempted have not prodduced what bts does year after year. with one olimpic medal that´s it? just wondering
I think the BTS members know that they themselves have to make plans of their own in readiness for military service should they not be exempted. This is possibly why they announced in their recent Festa that they are taking a break from group activities for the time being and concentrate on their respective solo activities instead. I reckon it is better for them to execute their plan first especially when the SK Government is still mulling over the exemption issue.
yeah and that's what they're doing instead is they're taking a long break and doing solo projects.... so they're focusing on that.... well when I meant to say was is that they took a break and they're focusing on more of the solo projects...
It will be a death sentence for politicians who exempt them. Every mother and every man in the country will be angry because their sacrifice was dismissed
Look at what happened to the stocks when BTS announced they were taking a break. If the public denies exemption, ARMY will be upset. BTS already did so much for Korea so why wasn’t that taken into account? They bring so much revenue to Korea.
Korea's military cannot guarantee the safety of these young men (physically or mentally) from the proven abusive military culture. The career interruption is a smaller issue than this concern.
The Military Exemption should be for those whose contribute to their country, regardless their career. South Korean should recognize BTS contribution. At the very least on South Korea Economic and Culture.
Right? Especially when CEO of Music Association went all public shaming them to return to group activities because the whole industry suffers as well as concerns that tourism business will suffer
I was looking for this comment. Yeah they did amazing things but tax paying regular people provide all they can to a country also. That's like telling someone who picks of trash you don't matter go serve cause you don't bring in high economic value to a country and the government just seem to milk bts every chance they get.
I didn't know anything about Korea before finding BTS and Army. Now I am learning Korean, I watch lots of Korean tv and cinema and I am reading books. I talk about all those things with many people as I can. All of this because of BTS
they shouldn't have to do anything, they had just said they wanted to focus on solo albums while resting from group schedules but they are fulfilling a duty to do a concert soon in Busan to attract the 2030 World Expo to Busan, they're being forced to amend their plans....
@@sc33h3o3 Yes. They are SK's ambassadors (as per usual) for their bid to host the 2030 World Expo and will be holding a concert next year as part of SK's effort to show the world they should be given the honors of hosting. It was announced jointly by the government and HYBE last week. So, again - not a classical musician, not an Olympic medalist, but BTS will be the face of SK in their bid to prove their place on the world stage. I would say they have done MORE than their share for their country.
It is always enlightening to hear your perspective on situations in Korea. I am one of the individuals who are learning the Korean language and plan to visit the country because of BTS. I definitely think BTS have already served their country. It seems counterintuitive to stop the economic boost and cultural interest that BTS brings to their country. That being said, I hope BTS have the choice to do what they want. They have worked hard and have incredible weight on their shoulders. I had to put my coffee down when you were talking about your massage! 🤣
If they have to enlist they can make the time period short, let them release content during that time and so on. Basically find the middle ground so that it can make both sides happy without going for the extremes of completely exempt or must enlist full term. Because they do have achieved undeniable recognition everywhere possible which contributed to spreading the Korean culture.
I think the government is having a hard time 1-because there are so many kpop idols and it’ll get worse when they (BTS)get exemptions because many boys will all want to take that advantage and join the industry. 2.The government fears to lose a lot of money because they know even though they try to pretend that BTS has a huge influence on their economy.They fear to lose investors(remember the loss because of hiatus) 3.They fear to be responsible for whatever may happen to the boys Incase they enlist.Remember these boys have so many enemies inside SK and the music industry. Lastly..the problem here is huge.The government is in a fix (politically and economically )
I'm looking at the fact that BTS have done more for South Korea as pop stars than they ever could if they were in military. BTS have done amazing work for the S. Korean and Asian community and never once has asked for anything in return. Shouldn't they be give an opportunity to continue their careers and live uninterrupted without military service without question?
They Tribute so much to Korea. They have more medailles than any sportsmen or musician. They made South Korea loved globally. Time to change this because of their excellent skills and their economic influence. Double standards? I am not from SK but love the country through them.
Your perspective is UNPRECEDENTED in my experience! Thanks you so much for your candor! Your native speaker level English and lived experience as a Korean are just invaluable. You are the ONLY South Korean I have found who speaks candidly on this topic! No one will say WHY it's so bad and so desirable to avoid. BTS especially would have trouble adapting imo given their extremely skewed life experience and over dependence on each other...I also would love for them to be exempted but I'm a westerner and not as a tuned to the nuances and complexity involved. Thanks again! Your channel is amazing 👏 !
The clear achievement could be that if you are appoint as ambassadors it could come with exemptions of military because if is a politic role that comes with duties of representation of the country...not all artists has been ambassadors so that could close the debate.
BTS was made international ambassadors for Korea. They work with the United Nations in a UNICEF program! This is crazy! They should be exempted. Period. They should be allowed to have an alternative service consisting of their current UNICEF work or increasing it a little. Someone needs to get a backbone in Korea's government.
I think they don't deserve these 7 humble boys , I don't have any opinion about the military service because I'm not even interested, but people in S.K are treating them like they do 0 things for the country. I've also heard about thousand of people who got exempted and didn't go military and none of them reach bts level of popularity, these guys have done nothing wrong but place their own country on top of the world. All I want is people to appreciate them and give them what they deserved. The govt is taking advantage of them and use their names in political parties.
I am so afraid that they are going to be bullied very bad just because they are so famous. I even read that there are people that had died during the military service and it's suspected that it was because of the harsh bullying and harassment
It would be the opposite actually, say something happened in the military and it got out to the media. It would be a bad look for the Korean military. They will be looked after.
@@dingdong-jg1ys what happens in the barracks cannot be fully controlled by higher ranking officers. If they are seen to be shown special treatment it will make others resent them and make the issue worse.
If the government knows what‘s good for the nation, they will be putting a young looking secret agent beside each member, that acts as a bodyguard. HYPE could also negotiate that employees with the same function can serve beside the members. Bang PD is clever enough to arrange something like that.
Remember when GD went to military? Some creep dedicated his military hours stalking or listing down GD's body tatts and other creepy infos about GD, good luck to them BTS if they go thru that...
Wasn’t the crashing of the stock prices when they announced a hiatus enough to show how much economic impact BTS has for S Korea? Can you imagine where their stock exchange would be if BTS is sidelined for a year?
From articles I've read online it looks like a recent poll said 60% of South Koreans support BTS serving in alternative positions rather than active military service. I thought they already served as ambassadors, wouldn't that affect anything??
I am Korean American and I believe BTS deserves military exemption. At the same time, I don't like non Koreans criticizing Korea over this issue. There is more to Korea than BTS.
I watched a video yesterday on the treatment of popular idols during their military training, and the things they endeared is the only reason I dread the fact that BTS is going into the mandatory military. The hierarchy system in Korea is so toxic and outdated. I fear those in higher rank or their superior will misuse that power. I just pray for their mental and physical well-being during their time there! 🙏🏾 Here the video ruclips.net/video/rg6uEpDNPDY/видео.html
Thanks SL for the update on the guys. I would’ve expected that it should of been decided by now. I feel bad for the guys having to put their lives on hold for all this time. It’s not my place to say but I would hope for them to be exempted and to continue making amazing music for the people around the world.
I am BTS International Army UK and came across BTS 5years ago,I never had any knowledge of Korea but started to learn a lot through being BTS Army, They have gave so much to Korea and have never said they wouldn't serve their country i just wish Korean Government would come to a decision on this enlistment and let BTS continue with their lives,
Well you don't know what you've got until it's gone. Let the exempted pianists and sports players bring to the country what BTS does and see how it goes. I hope they're exempted simply for the fact that I don't want them bullied and treated like shit. They've been through enough. They'll do the service with a smile on their face but it sucks
Those who want bts go to the military are all "they should go because others did" They just wish BTS to be totally out of the picture in the music industry. Their faves did go out of the picture when they entered the military, so they want BTS to do and experience the same. BTS is on a break I don't know why others still cry about it. BTS has done much more than other athletes have done for Korea, they should be exempted. But the government doesn't want to be in a hot seat, so they can't decide about it. They know how much BTS contributed to Korea but can't still favor BTS because some others who have experienced it will rant and say it's unfair. How was it unjust if you weight the things BTS have done for the country versus the things others have done in their career? The difference is so apparent. BTS did so much more for Korea. But BTS said they will enlist if they need to because they know some people will cry if they don't. LOL
The government should allow the citizens to vote on what they feel should be considered as an exemption for military service. If you look at what BTS has done for the country and the world, shouldn't they consider that as serving their country?
Before I watch this video I'm gonna share what I think, and then edit the comment. The way Korean politicians have been handling this, president Yoon's bs about "we can't make the decision, we are watching people's reaction" has been absolutely ridiciouls and embarrassing, given that thanks to bts there's tens of millions of adult foreigners who are watching. People are making their own opinions, which weren't great already in the west, given the fascism, queerphobia and the fact that women are being stripped of their rights, despite their disadvantage. The whole thing is absolutely idiotic, not doing everything they can to be in bts' good graces and trying to keep them comfortable and active for as long as they can. Instead of kissing the floor they step on, they handled this situation in a way that made them so tired they had to go on an indefinite hiatus. Tiredness also caused by political responsibilities that should have not be theirs. Being the face of the country which they made popular, with all the pressure that it comes with, and then being treated like trash. Foreigners think of bts when they hear SK, they probably barely know who the president is. But when bts will be sent to serve like they haven't done enough, adults will know that country's gov as absurd and idiotic and nothing more. What's coming for SK's economy is fully deserved.
You’re Brilliant & Refreshing! Since stumbling up on a KPop MV called Dynamite….as a grandmother. Then fell down the BTS rabbit hole. I’m learning Korean & am watching KDRAMA’s instead of American tv… I’ve just been scared for idols to do their military service…I read where they are not treated well in there..I really believe these 7 men as much as they want to serve should not have to because I’m seeing repercussions. You saw what happened just with them going off to do solo work. HYBE stock fell …..what does their government think is going to happen when after all they’ve done in their 9 yrs for their country & they still have to do more by serving. I’m just sad for them & scared!
Bts does serve Korea already. They've already been thrown into politics with UN and talking about Asian hate at white house. They've been doing service. I'm confused as to why this is a real issue.
The politicians say let's have a free concert & picked a place they couldn't get zone to build hiRise buildings. So after telling all the Fans they are having a free BTS concert on a piece of land on the outskirts of Busan they decided to use the one they couldn't get a permit to rezone that had know facilities at all but they didn't care about army. Fandom spoke up about the unsafe place. So the concert was moved to a safer place. But bighit was told they couldn't afford it so they put it on BTS & Bighit to pay for lt. The Exbo committee that was to pay for it said we have money. So it's gonna cost BTS & Bighit 7 million dollars to get it up to standard. It's for showing off to the Exbo committee so they are picked for the Exbo to & choose Busan Korea. Buy using the guys to attract the Exbo. (Dance chickens dance.) But they won't exempt them.
In my opinion they meet the qualifications to be exempt and shouldnt have to serve. Just recently they have been named ambassadors for Formula One Korea and for World Expo - Busan . It would be a shame to have one or two absent when all 7 are expected to be present.
BTS is overqualified to be enlisted... so much achievement of this kpop group superstars. They became Presidential personal convoy and had cultural merit at their young age becoz of their own contribution. The world need BTS in this time of pandemic. So much problem in schools, teens, any age actually. They can give inspiration to those people who experienced discrimation or abused in this evil world. They gave so much donation worlwide. They share their blessing to the needy.. so pls dont enlist them becoz the whole world need them. indeed 😇😇😇
I believe that when Jin said he would be the last to release music. It meant he will be enlisting by the end of the year. If they don't make an exception for kpop Idols. Could they at least cut the time of enlistment. To Maybe six months. That way its more of a win win situation?
Let’s not talk about exemption for BTS, but let them represent us at the UN; twice, as special corespondents. Let them work for their country to get us the Olympics. Let them win several unbelievable awards that placed Korea on the map, in the West. Make sure they continue to make us billions. They are our slaves. Force them to work and make us money, there is no need to exempt them, this is there due diligence. BTS has done more than any politician, sports, and any other exempted parties. What a country? This is how much we value BTS.😒😉😏 they should be fully exempted and no soft power BS talk about doing performance and shortening their time in the military. Unbelievable 🧐🤮😊🥵How can I forget to mention meeting the US president at the White House😏
I agree with you. Their contribution is definitely not any less than those who are exempted by law. Unfotunately they are also caught in a situation of getting backlash even if they get exempted by law. It is sad but I reckon they would rather serve than to get that.
BTS is so proud to be Korean. They've said as much, many times. They have served their country with merit and honor, from the start. I know my opinion, in this matter, doesn't carry any weight, but I am of the opinion that the government should exempt them--specifically BECAUSE of the issues mentioned by other idols who have served.
I heard how the Military Manpower side of things keeps insisting that exemptions should be eliminated entirely... and that there's now talk that superconductor engineers should receive exemption because their work is so important. 🙄 I wonder what will happen when the 'event horizon' hits and it requires 100%+ of the male population to enlist, to fulfil the number of active-duty soldiers required by law. In other words, the whole military situation is long overdue for a serious overhaul (not the least, the 'mandatory' aspect...make it voluntary, and give the enlistees some real opportunities and incentives for signing up...) but the left hand don't know what the right hand is doing. And all this passing the hot potato off to someone else to juggle means nothing will be solved. From what you say, it looks like the Assembly is finally trying to back off from the total exempt/no exempt extremes and come up with some compromise about reducing service or granting further postponement for significant contributors. But they've left it very late.
I think military service also plays into the attitude against women in SK as well. I think men resent that women don’t have to serve, and it contributes to the abuse of women there
SK decision: use 7 guys with profound global presence as diplomats/envoys/special attaches and exempt BTS. Or don’t; use them in the army in the military band or kitchen police for 18 months to better serve your country there.
The guys have been sheltered since they have been BTS. JK WAS they are 13. They can't date. They sing & dance play games like Run BTS. IN THE SOOP. then not been out in the public. They have body guards. But they will be like kids in and adult summer camp. Now the government wants to use them for personal like gor military functions. How can they do army drills but still work on dances to preform for special events. Then if Jk can't go because of his tattoos.. Also Jin has fingers problems. They need to be checked out. I'm surprised that 100,000 army just saw BTS they can't use the army fans to call or text companies to let them know that they won't buy any products so then hopefully they will lose money. They can call the government and tell them they need a exemption for BTS. SO 1000,000 ARMY FANS JUST GOT A FREE AWESOME CONCERT SO CALL & HELP THEM NOW.
Since it is mandatory, I'm surprised that BigHit/Hybe has not planned ahead for their either their enlistment as a group or one at a time instead of waiting like sitting ducks. They could have created content that could be released while they are in service. The pandemic would have been a good time to go in since they could not publicly perform. I also think they should have their pre-military physicals done. If they are anything like the United States, I would think Suga would not be eligible because he has been diagnosed with chronic depression, not to mention had a shoulder injury requiring surgery. V has cholinergic urticaria and relies on medication to control his symptoms which worsen when he gets hot. And then Jin has some bone problems in his hands, and has injured his fingers twice having recent surgery this year. So if they were to apply to the U.S. army they would not pass. When I was married, my ex-husband went to apply but was turned down because a year before He had a suspicious mole removed from the back of his leg electively to avoid pre-cancer or cancer. I was floored this made him ineligible because he was otherwise in top form. Apparently the military did not want to risk him developing cancer and then be responsible for the bill. He had no history of cancer. It was just a benign mole. Had we left it untouched, he would have gotten in. So if the Korean military has the same health standards, some of the BTS members are not eligible. I worry that they may be bullied or mistreated because of their status. I do like your idea of doing military service piece- meal.
I can give you an example of a similar situation from Israel. In Israel we have a mandatory army service for men and women. Of course there are a lot of people who find ways not to serve in the army. But here as well famous people are always in focus when it comes to joining the army. We actually have a very famous model Bar Refaeli who "cheated" the system in order not to serve in the army and keep going with her international modeling career. She married her cousin then told the army that she got married and was release from obligation doing the army service. Right after that she got the divorce and went on with her career. People here were pissed by this SO MUCH. And although she is still a beloved model and a celebrity, the FIRST thing that people will say when they talk about her is the fact that she cheated her way in order not to serve. It always comes up with nearly every discussion about her. And when it comes to discussing whether younger celebrities are going to join the army she is always brought up as a "bad" example. And celebs in Israel learned their lesson very well. They all join the army and do their time. Although here we have a lot of different opportunities and accommodations for nearly any case. Celebrities usually join army music bands/orchestra/theatre. Top sportsmen get to do really easy jobs like being a secretary for someone and they only come for several hours a week so most of the time they can keep training. Anyway in my opinion BTS should do the army service. It would be great if the army could find a more suitable role for them. But if they don't well, in several years who knows, a new generation might go crazy over other band but the public will always remember that they didn't do the army. Although maybe for korean society that could actually pass, I'm sure the mentality is quite different there.
BTS is supposed to put on a concert in 2023 as part of South Koreas bid to win the worlds fair in 2030. How are they supposed to do that with 2 members in the military? Or will the government give Jin and Yoongi the day off from the military to go promote their country? The government seems to want their cake and eat it too. The pressure on the members to perform at the South Korean governments standard has to be insanely stressful.
I hate it! the more they make this mess even messier the more I wish the boys would enlist by their own accord asap.. and that's the last thing I'd ever want! But SK keeps using them and treating them like merchandise and it makes my blood boil. Also my greatest fear, that if by good 'luck'? they ended up exempted due to the vote, they would be forced to 'help' their government somehow, like they would owe their government ughhh not cool, not fair. I fear the average SK is 100% clueless about the effect of Bangtan in the world. I hate it here
It's none of my business really how Korea manages it's military service but I think your proposal of breaking up service into smaller blocks of time is sensible for all the reasons you mentioned. As for BTS it's a no brainer imo, their economic and cultural value is best utilized elsewhere then military service but I understand the political quandry and I'm biased of course.
Using Amercan Billboard charts as any part 0f the reason to give BTS military exemptions doesn't make any sense!!! It be so unfair to all the other hard working Kpop groups who also contribute to the world and the Korean economy. 18 months is not that long. Other idols lived so will BTS!!!!
It will depend which angle the government takes. I'm old, so i can remember the 60's. In Australia during the Vietnam War there was conscription based on a boy's 18th birthday. Conscription was very unpopular. We had a young, very successful pop star called Normie Rowe. He was "conscripted" as a public relations ploy by the Australian Army (no-one else with his birth date was conscripted) and served his time in Vietnam. It destroyed his career. He did manage to stay in the music industry because he was very talented, but it was never the same for him.
Loved Normie, had his poster on my wall. He went the same t8me as a much loved workmate of mine went.I along with so man6 Australians thought it was a terrible thing to do as especially as it was not our war.I think it is fine to support other countries without professional armed forces but to conscript young men it was awful especially as they were not respected on their return.
What is amazing is that after they announced their "hiatus" the Korea Singers Association's president reportedly released a statement on June 22 asking to BTS and HYBE Labels to reconsider.
Do you think these Korean lawmakers do not want to take a hard stance BTS exemption, letting public opinion decide because of their fear of ARMY? We all know ARMY has been a force to be reckoned with and very protective of the guys. Just a thought.
It doesn’t matter, because if war breaks out between North and South, everybody that has been out of the military for more than 2 years, will need to be retrained on all new weapons etc!
Imo 2 years of military service is extremely long period of time for a regular citizen just to learn the basic training, we have mandatory military service in Turkey as well but it's 12 months at most and also there is an option to pay money to reduce it down to 3 mo. Korea could consider adopting a similar way, 3 or 6 months of service would have an easy impact on kpop artists lives and careers
The explanation about your machine experience was hilarious!! So well described! Most times it happens that way!! Nevertheless, it made me laugh! About BTS military exemption what you said is so understandable! If they got a training worth while, if they really practiced and learned and were awarded something that would stimulate and serve them in everyday life, make it worthwhile! Your suggestion relate to housing is excellent. Government authorities should take your suggestion seriously! You would be an excellent advisor!! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!! Keep safe!
The amount of money that BTS' work has generated for the S. Korean economy is not a sentiment. Yes, millions on millions the world over want BTS exempt, but the adverse financial impact is ridiculous. As a professional American I look at this and it just appears to be ludicrous. This just does not make sense. Also, to sit there and say that BTS can be compared to ANYBODY THAT HAS EVER COME OUT OF KOREA CULTURALLY OR IN THE SPORTS ARENA this is also ludicrous. I am nearly 50 years old and beyond BTS I have never known more than a passing item or 2 regarding South Korea. The South Korean government really cannot see this? I'm sorry this is all nonsense. Yes, having them waste 18 months of their lives is a waste of talent, time, international clout, and money. It looks foolish. Simple.
You should talk about the Korea court actually made a ruling back Nov 2018 for Alternative Civilian service for conscientious objectors in S Korea. It’s ground breaking case but came after decades of court battles and tens & thousands of male citizens having criminal records just for refusing to bear arms and serve in military and the financial, emotional lost on the men and their family suffering.
As I 'm living in a country that has a threatening neighbour just as SouthKorea I do understand why they have that mandatory military service. In my country it is the same and all young men serve in one way or another. I also understand why the government has a hard time of making the decision. I really appreciate the way BTS members have said that they go if they must go. I don't know what's right or wrong but I wish they could pass this call and continue the good work.
In US we have Army Reserve, which means you train on weekends and two weeks every year. It works. But agreed if you already offer exemptions, BTS has earned theirs.
AIl I know is that if it wasn't for BTS, South Korea would not have the arm that it has today in the World. Also, kpop music or any other artists from Korea would've been given a chance or respect in different genres. As a singer, one thing I appreciate so much are the great singing voices, artists, and actors of Korea... something I would have never listened to had it not been for BTS. We are talking $$$$$.
I’m so worried about this. I know Korea is still in danger and I want BTS to be safe and learn to defend themselves but they took a hiatus just to escape the pressure of showbiz and for them going to the military world not be good for them . BTS is very successful and have a huge fan base. However, along with great success there comes a lot of haters too and I’m afraid people would hurt them. I understand the military is not supposed to be a very nice place because you have to act tough to defend yourself properly in case of a new war breaks out but I think they show treat each other with respect, if you understand what I’m trying to say. Well, Portugal hasn’t been at war in a long time. I think the only time we’ve ever been at war was many centuries ago and it was between us and Spain. And the fact we defeated a dictator in the 70s doesn’t really count as war. But we had mandatory military service too but that was to defend our colonies in Africa . My grandfather on my mother’s side had to serve . I can confirm people who went there, had gone bananas. I know a person whose father was so traumatised that he still has nightmares and when it happens, his mother has to get out of bed because he starts punching the air. And the way he was treated by his superior only made things worse. On one hand, I do want them to be exempted, not necessarily because of economic issues. I don’t understand economics . But more because I’m scared of what it might do for their mental health. But on the other hand, I want them to be prepared to defend themselves just in case. I don’t know how Yoongi’s shoulder is even after surgery because I doubt it is 100 percent healed though by what Suga says ( correct me if I’m wrong) is getting better And I’m worried about him physically and mentally . BTS had to go on hiatus because they were pressured so much it was burning them all out. As much as I think military would be good in terms of them being trained to be safe, I think the military is the last thing they need right now. So if I’d have a say in the matter, I’d vote exemption but I’m not Korean so I don’t have a say in the matter but I really hope they’d be exempted for their own health
I'm American,I was curious as to how does the mandatory Military service work.When youre college bound? Breaking it up does make sense,you bring up great points.
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In 2013 a person showed me the PSY video and I was laughing and learned the dance but did not know ANYTHING about of Southern Korea. In 2018 I saw BTS perform Idol on Good Morning America and my mouth dropped. I learned everything about about BTS and every video song, America Hustle, BangTang Bombs, and reactors with BTS. Now I am very interested with Korea culture and have learned some Korea language and learn about the culture through BTS video. They are great ambassadors and great icons.
Me too!
Now that you have learned about BTS try some other groups as well, EXO, NCT 127, SHinee, there are so many and also the girl groups. Try watching the kdramas too. 100 Days My Prince, Boys Before Flowers, What Happened to Secretary Kim, Your Beautiful, Oh My Venus, Bride of the Century these are all Kdramas with Idols in them but there are so many more. And go on RUclips Caricakes, 2Hearts1Seoul, Adrienne Hill they all live there and have channels so you can see Seoul through them and their channels also Sissel. Have 🤩 fun
As an outsider I don’t understand why exception been given to pianist and Olympic athletes but not been extended to artist and performer who have bring honourable name to the nation, biggest economic pulling factor (record breaking album sales), introducing international fan with K culture and language etc. I think the biases and discrimination against idol are too strong. Why are their efforts not been equally recognised?? Because they are from entertainment industry?? From the way I look it the level of contributions the boys have done are more that enough, I have yet seen any K politicians ever been invited to White House and giving multiple speeches at UN.
I agree with you. Unless its the situation that no one else can be exempted but the truth is, certain groups are being exempted by law. BTS' contribution is no less than those who are allowed to exempt by law so being not exempting them they are not recognising their contribution.
Even GO players and techies can get exempted. Someone on Twitter said those pianists/other musicians don't even have to win an international contest...it can be domestic.
Before you all talk about BTS you must understand this first and
you all need to understand why Korea couldn't become a world power.
After liberation of Korea in 1945, there were over 1Million Japanese who remained in Korea. They changed their Korean names and lived as Koreans, occupying major government posts and harming Korea. We call them pro-Japanese (친일파)force.
Now they're the 3rd generation of Japanese in Korea has penetrated politics, press media, ministers ,governors and various government service etc ,, they're100% back by Japanese gov't. These anti-Korea (pro-Japanese친일파) forces are the main reason why BTS couldn't get the military exemption. The pro-Japanese force has been against the military exemption for BTS because disappearing BTS from public is good for Japan.
Although Korea was liberated in 1945 and eradicate Japanese, the remain cancer cells are growing in Korea and this is the fact, If you ask any Korean they will tell you the same.
Well the Olympic athletes makes sense. They have to train all year round to perform in their sports games. Military would get in the way of that. Kpop Idols can always make music after military with no issue and they can always put out videos (made in advance) to the fans if they are in military..they can record a whole concert in advance online. Athletes cannot do that. They must train hard and be actually present to perform. Also they can’t win games by popularity…they have to win. Kpop Idols can win stuff based off popularity. Lastly, the training they get for the Olympics keeps them really fit and is intense too and they are already directly serving their country in the sports. Their exemption makes sense.
Exactly, and now they are using BTS to boost their EXPO 2030 bid.
All the discussions from the politicians will make it harder for BTS when they enlist. I hope they will not suffer abuse from the people in the military.
why are you affirming the opposite notion when it looks like there's a good chance they can be exempted. i can't believe it's not obvious to every Korean that its shooting themselves in the foot not to vote for exemption.
Dont worry, most probably they will be okay. They are not the first group of artist that goes to military service and those with a strong mindset did quite well, BTS are great on that aspect and know well about struggling and push themselves to reach an objective. Also, i think is 1.5 yrs now instead of 2.
@@OrualMuse I think the news of Taemin SHINEE while serving in millitary got mental depression. As for Korea talking about mental depression is taboo
Ikr...i never knew about the harrasment idols face in the military...they are treated like zoo animals by others and mistreated by the officials...and to top it all off being watched and snapped while taking a shower...ugh just the thought of this disgusts me 😖
They are were they are in part because they are charismatic so they should be fine. And do not forget that at at least not all will serve in the military force, Suga, Jimin and probably Jin and V are almost warranty to be send to social service given their long lasting injuries, in V case his allergy and Jin because the risk for his joints.
As it is right now maybe the only ones fitted for military training are J-Hope, Namjoon and JK.
And social serving will imply for them to keep their movement freedom and housing but not being allowed to work in their schedules as artists.
It's so typical now that the government is aware of how much money they are losing when BTS is not shoveling in the millions. They wanted to give their answer to this whole issue back in April, and it was postponed yet again. And then BTS took it into their own hands. Their break is their way to say eff you. We all know that in KPop a break/solo careers means male groups are going into military service. That is why Jin during FESTA said he will be the last with solo projects because he will be starting his mil service in December. At this point they should go into military service, just to spite the government.
Which exemtped athlete or musician before BTS had an impact on a global scale? Names? -- Yeah ... right.
BTS already did so much for Korea: Contributing significantly to the GDP. BTS continuously increased tourism to Korea, increased the interest in Korean culture, language and image. Presidential envoys, speakers at the UN. They are the faces of modern Korea, positive, hard working and compassionate.
They (government)should be smart enough to take BTS-Army's heart with their decision, exemption or not. It's not quite far from money or any advantages they will get. We talk about the global fandom here, millions Army are waiting for their decision.
I really think it - BTS doing service - would make less of an impact that fans think it will. There is so much more to South Korea than just BTS and I'm sure their Government is well aware of that fact. There are other Kpop groups taking the world by storm at the moment - Korean actors are being invited to take part in international roles etc. Everything does not begin and end with BTS 🙄
@@annetterawlings4549 That has been happening since the early 2000s. We had Shinwha, Rain aka Bi, Big Bang, 2NE1 but they did not reach the fame and influence in the West that BTS did and does and believe me they tried. Yes, there will be others now stepping into the breach but BTS got the fanbase because of their music, their lyrics, their whole characters.
Look at the 3rd generation idols and their songs, they look so white washed and perfect and poppy it is a step back into the whole perfect idol culture of the old B3. They might get a following in the US, they might even get a following in Europe and South America, but they never reach the impact on ppl BTS have with their music. Additionally, fanbase wise - there won't be another ARMY. BTS could just sit on stools a whole concert and just sing their songs without dancing and the whole flash and bang of a concert and still ppl would be coming to see them. Because they are different, they are different to other idols and they are different to most of the Western pop stars out there.
@@sc0ttishlass I don't disagree with you but don't totally agree either - Look at Enhypen, EXO, MonstaX and Treasure - just to name a couple others who are breaking out internationally - and there will be plenty of others. Yes BTS probably paved the way for them but I guess the same could be said for the Beatles or Rolling Stones back in their day.
The government takes advantage of them. They used BTS to be sure to get the 2030 Expo in Korea! That irritates me more than anything knowing how they are used. I know the boys are always willing to do for their country, but part of me was hoping they'd say nope we're on hiatus! Govt takes advantage of them! Riding their coattails as usual!
I am an American but I cannot think of ANY other Korean "man" that has been invited to the White House, or to the U.N. TWICE...just BTS. If this isn't what the exemption is for...I don't get it! I think it is strictly age-ism and cultural bias!!!
Lol they were being used. Fact is they had no qualifications to speak on either issue. Rim's speech was incoherent and BTS come from a homogeneous largely racist country yet the ly think they have the right to comment on Asian American hate. Why do you think they weren't allowed to answer any questions lol BTS is racist themselves
No disrespect intended here, but which athletes or classical musicians have appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, called to action by world leaders like US President Biden and the United Nations? Was it also estimated that BTS' contribution to Korea's GDP rivals that of Korean Air? That's not just $ per se, but creating jobs, increasing tourism. Would K-gov ever consider grounding an airline? Additionally, the global impact of the BTS Effect seeps into the intangibles. They have uplifted 100s of millions of lives. Globally speaking, Chicago (where I'm at) is a small town. Korean restaurants and markets have popped up in this area rapidly over the past 4 years. Beyond cultural, social, and economical effects, BTS is a Global Treasure. Yes, they started out wanting to sing and dance, and they have sacrificed so much of themselves for 10+ years, but along the way, the world has grown to need them, so they additionally give of themselves bc BTS is a group of dutiful, responsible, respectful human beings. It's astounding how far this young group of men have come, despite obstacles and adversities. For all that BTS has given, the least K-gov and country can do for them is, "Thank you for your love and service to your country. Please keep the 18 months for yourself and your family." Grounding BTS for an idea in need of re-examining would be a disservice to the country. Negatively impacting the economy would be but the first symptom of an impractical (non)decision.
Perfectly stated
I don't think the government has quite figured out that by failing to acknowledge BTS's service, they are also failing to appreciate how much they- the government- owe the fanbase. It isn't BTS who buys the albums, votes in award shows, streams music videos, breaks records... learns about Korean food, fashion, culture and language. It's ARMY. International ARMY. HYBE pays the highest entertainment taxes in the country because of ARMY. Korean goods are in demand overseas because of K-pop, and the faces and voices of K-pop are mainly BTS's; it's ARMY that keeps pushing the hallyu wave along. We are, of course, aware that our support of BTS provides benefits to the government as well as to HYBE- and we've been willing to accept that.
Refusing to exempt them is actually quite an insult to BTS and ARMY. It tells us the government is perfectly content to take the money and claim the prestige, but not to recognize the guys' hard work and sacrifices as significant contributions to their country. They're 'only' K-pop, after all, not Olympic athletes or classical musicians, so they haven't accomplished anything worth exempting. It also tells us that all we've accomplished FOR them isn't worth acknowledging; the opinions of Korean citizens who dislike the exemption rank higher than the opinions- and actions- of mere foreign K-pop fans.
So I think there's a very rude awakening on the 2023 horizon for the Korean government. And I think that by the time they realize just what a can of worms they've opened on themselves, it'll be too late to do anything about it. Any government that can't agree on exemption terms in 4 years isn't going to be able to agree on how to reverse a hallyu drought before it does irreparable damage to the country. ARMY won't stop supporting BTS, but supporting a group and supporting their country are entirely different things, and the one does not necessarily have anything to do with the other.
This comment right here 👆 says it all. This needs to be forwarded to the people and the President of South Korea 🇰🇷 Borahae 💜
@@ystrw well said!as a result, it seems to me that the main business of HIBE will move to the USA
Heung yun Son is a footballer who is a global athlete, he put S. Korea on the map in Europe, he even met the British Queen as he plays for Britain's liverpool club which won the premier league which is a VERY huge thing as he is the first Asian to do so.
Also there is another Athlete known as Chul Soon who is Korea's first global Bodybuilder who put Korea on the map when it comes bodybuilding, he won numerous gold medals and bodybuilding competition shows which you probably don't know about so i won't mention them, he is also the first Asian to host Mr. Olympic worldwide alongside Arnold schwarzenegger.
Anyways, there are many, many athletes who broke the Asian stereotype and accomplished great things, it's not my fault that you don't know anything about Athletics, also not everything revolves around AmErIcA
I can't say anything about the military issue cause I'm not Korean but I feel that BTS has served their country more in doing their careers in music than in serving the military.
I mean I never really had the desire to learn Korean before being an ARMY, now I'm taking lessons.
dont let bts serve in military, they are exemplary deeds in the economy and universal recognition thru their music
Doesn't matter what you think - have you ever considered that the members may WANT to go like every other man in Korea?? A lot of folks seem to feed on BTS for content as well the army and maybe them taking some time out is also to stop this suffocation ... let them just do what they want ....
What's wrong with the government. If your have a group of artists giving the govt over 5 Billion dollars a year and making the tourism industry grow larger and larger. I'm learning Korean language, because I want to visit Seoul in the near future, from the USA. Only because I Love BTS. Please don't Destroy BTS. For certain laws, it's good to have citizens' input. But this law better not too. I think raising taxes to make up the difference, that BTS can't give anymore. That's something people will think twice. Then how about the stock market, a lot of people will lose money, big business will lose too. KOREA DONT BE STUPID, THE NEW PRESIDENT SHOULD DO HIS JOB. BTS IS DOING A LOT FOR THE COUNTRY, WHO ELSE CAN DO THAT. DONT PUT A STOP TO THEM. GOVT DONT BE COWARDS
@@manm323 They already lost precious time on their careers due to Covid, so the military stint would just compound that loss. They are in their prime and would better serve their country doing what they do best.
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Please don't say to people that what they think doesn't matter. It's just rude. This is a debate/discussion so by all means please do weigh in with your own opinion but there's no need to demean others in the process.
And yes, I too think we need to take the members' own opinions into consideration but the fact of the matter is that we simply don't know enough about their individual personal feelings on this dilemma. I know that Jin has talked about it with his good friend celebrity chef Lee Yeon Bok and asked his advice on being in the military but in the end we just don't know their true inner feelings. 🤷♀️💜
Make sure that the military service is free from harrasment, bullying, torture etc. Some people have died because of such thing. Make sure that there are no freaking psychoes who dislike celebrities (especially KPop idols) and enjoy to "torture" in the camps. Army will "go after" the SK government for years if it happens to the boys.
Exactly a lot of male idols have talked about the treatment towards them in the miltary. G dragon had his medicial records linked, underwear size exposed and the size of his watches exposed by some creep. Imagine BTS. A lot of male idols talk about how uncomfortable it is showering with the men there because of how differently they treat them.
the focus should be on their exemption, not "what if's" surrounding the other option: thoughts are powerful.
It worries me for those exact reasons. There is always some power hungry jerk that would love to take any one of them down to show his power. I worry for their SAFETY That is my main concern.
And isntead of soft power they gonna be hated for that if ever something happen to the boys
@@antoinetteporter7449 me too! 💔💔💔
i am 21 and half-korean but i've been living in the philippines for as long as i can remember. all i can say is the south korean government will regret tiptoeing around this matter for too long and not giving BTS the military exemption everybody knows they rightfully deserve. from my point of view, it's very apparent how our government is taking advantage of the abundant benefits that BTS are singlehandedly bringing into the south korean economy while also not having the least bit of intention to repay BTS for it. all the combined major awards and recognitions won by athletes, musicians, and actors are nothing compared to the fame and glory that BTS have raked in for south korea. it's high time for our government officials to make a clear and straightforward decision on this; leaving this matter into the hands of the general public is so irresponsible and lazy of them. exempt BTS from enlistment, or suffer the incomprehensible loss afterwards.
I am so glad that you have said this, as I am Canadian. I don't feel it is my place to make a judgement call, but I have put my opinion out there. Politicians are the same all over the world...don't upset the voters or you lose your votes. It seems not one politician has the "parts" to make a decision on their own and want to see where the tally lands after voters have had their say. Then they can side with the popular consensus. As you said though they are not going to touch this subject. What is the expression..."why buy the cow if you can get the milk for free." They are getting what they need from BTS whether as a group of solo artists, so in their eyes why would they need to change the laws. Thing is, they need to look at the numbers that have been so drastically affected by BTS's hiatus. I think thus hiatus is conviently close to Jin enlistment date, so BTS did what they could to soften all the press regarding this subject. They asked their ARMY to wait patiently while they work on themselves, which they definitely need and deserve the break, but then they can pump out a lot of content until enlistment time. They go do the duty as the amazing men they are and return as incredible rested men who will delight their fans as always. I do believe they will enlist together do they can have each others backs when in the military. Some other k-pop Idols spoke up about the kind of treatment they got. BTS always protect each other and that is what I think they will do. This also minimizes the time they are away from fans and keeps them whole. They have said they "aren't BTS without all seven of them and ARMY".
I am a Korean and based on your comment, I can't see any hint of korean blood flowing in you and it's funny how can you comment on this without knowing a thing on our culture. As you've said you are in the Philippines and it seemed to me that you are Philippino and not a Korean at all. What you know is superficial and just based on perspective of a "fan", an international fan. Even the members want to serve the military and they have their own reasons.
Just so you know, here in Korea we don't see their serving in the military wrong. In fact, we want them to serve already so the government can't use them anymore. Also, who are you to belittle the achievement of our other citizens? You are too delusional and biased to pinpoint that the achievement of our athletes, and artists are less than those of BTS'.
Before BTS there were a ton of Korean who brought glory and fame to our country. You are disrespecting them, and yet you have the audacity to associate your ethnicity with us? Come on, have some shame, or better else don't use your illusory "korean blood" to comment on this matter.
@@ajaxp7176 Δεν συμφωνω με την απαντηση σας.Δεν εγραψε ασχημα λογια για την Κορεα ουτε για το λαο της.Ο πολεμος φιλε μου δεν γινεται εδω και χρονια με τα οπλα,αλλα με τα συμφεροντα των μεγαλων δυναμεων.Ειμαι ΕΛΛΗΝΙΔΑ αγαπω την χωρα που γεννηθηκα αλλα και ελευθερωσαν οι προγονοι μου απο τους κατακτητες.Στα αρχαια χρονια η Ελλαδα εδωσε τα φωτα του πολιτισμου σε ολον τον κοσμο.Απο την μεταπολιτευση το 1974 και μεχρι σημερα οι πολιτικοι καταφεραν να την καταστρεψουν οικονομικα.Δεν χρειαστικε να γινει πολεμος για να την καταστροφη της.Η Κυπρος ειναι 1 νησι στην Μεσσογειο θαλλασα ειναι διχοτομημενο,σε βορειο και νοτιο οπως και η Κορεα,ο λογος αρνηθηκε ο τοτε προεδρος τους οι αμερικανοι να βαλουν βασεις.Επειδη εδω και χρονια αρχισα να παρακολουθω οτι αφορα την Ν.Κορεα και ο λογος που εδειξα ενδιαφερον ηταν η ηθοποιος KHS μια γυναικα με μεγαλη προσφορα σε αυτους που εχουν αναγκη,βραβευμενη και αναγνωρισμενη με πολλες επαγγελματικες ιδιοτητες.Οι BTS που εχουν προσφερει πολλα οικονομικα κερδη στην χωρα τους στην δυσκολη κατασταση 3 χρονων,που καμμια εταιρεια εξαγωγικη ,κανενας παραγωγικος ομιλος σε οποιονδηποτε τομεα δεν εφεραν κερδη ,αντιθετα βαση του διεθνες χριματηστηριου ειχαν πτωση.Οσο για την διαφθορα στην Κορεα υπαρχη οπως σε ολο τον κοσμο.Παραδειγμα αθοωσαν 1 τραγουδιστη που ειχε κατηγορια για κακοποιηση στην συντροφο του,το δηκαστηριο τον αθοωσε επειδη μια μαρτυρας κατεθεσε οτι η συντρφος του τραγουδιστη της ειχε πει οτι δεν ηταν ετοιμη να κανει παιδι.Η κοπελα ανεβασε στα μεσα κοινωνικης δικτιοσης συνομιλια που ειχε με τον κατηγορουμενο απο αυτα που της εγραφε ηταν ενοχος γιστι το δικαστηριο δεν τα ελαβε υποψιν του;;;;Οποιος εχει λεφτα φιλε μου και μεσον αθοωνεται.Αυτο δεν λεγεται δολιοφθορα;;;;Οι BTS εκαναν την Κορεα γνωστοι σε ολον το κοσμο,μπορει να υπαρχουν και αλλοι καλλητεχνες ειδωλα στην Κορεα,αλλα ειναι ειδωλα στην Ασια και μερικα στις ΗΠΑ οχι παγκοσμιος.Οι πολιτικοι της Κορεας με τις μεχρι σημερα ενεργειες του προσπαθουν να καταστρεψουν την οικονομια σας και το βιοτικο επιπεδο της χωρας σας.Ολες οι χωρες ανα τον κοσμο με τα μετρα που πηραν κατα της Ρωσιας καταφεραν να ανεβασουν το δολλαριο και να μην μπορουν να πληρωσουν τα δανεια που εχουν παρει γιατι πληρωνουν σε δολλαρια αναγκαζονται να παρουν δανειο απο ΔΝΤ. που τους επιβαλλει να παρουν μετρα κατα των λαων τους αναγκαζοντας τους να ζουν στα ορια της φτωχειας και της εξαθλιωσεις.Οι ηγετες των περισσοτερων κρατων πεζουν το παιχνιδι των κυριαρχων για να ελεγχουν το καθε κρατος με αντιτιμο την μεγαλη καρεκλα και να γεμιζουν τους τραπεζικους λογαριασμους τους.Οταν εχεις μια τοσο μεγαλη πηγη εσοδων την βοηθας με οποιον τροπο μπορεις σαν κρατος για να ανεβαζεις την οικονομια και δεν προσπαθεις να την καταστρεψεις.Ολος ο λαος της Κορεας σταθητε στο πλευρο τους για την ενησχησει της οικονομιας σας,μην παιζεται το παιχνιδι των πολιτικων και των στρατιωτικον που σας κυβερνουν.Ολα αυτα σου τα γραφω για να δεις τι γινεται και σε αλλα κρατη της Δυσης και πως λειτουργει το συστημα καταστροφης ενος κρατους.
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I cannot believe the government and people who don't want to give the military exemption to BTS. They have brought Korean culture to the world. Also they are Unicef ambassadors and of course spoken at the white house.. They have served Korea so honorably.
yeah they are.... and I just couldn't believe by the fact that they were meeting the president of the United States.... and that surprised me also when they met him.... so it surprises me by the fact that they met President Biden... so it's still surprises me when I think about it...
True。。。honestly they did more than any of the minister,or those that managed to get exemption
Only new new about Kdrama etc through BTS. Only started to do research South Korea because of BTS. How much must they achieve o be exempt?
All BTS members have said publicly on numerous occasions, they are would be proud to honour their country like every other male for the last 50 years before them, to do their time. This will have had an input into the ROK governments decision making too.
Exactly
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Thank you for your clear logical discussion about BTS and Korea’s mandatory enlistment. I’m not Korean but I’m now extremely interested in all things Korean as a result of listening to BTS. Surely acting as ambassadors for your country means you are contributing meaningfully and positively to your country’s international standing politically and culturally. Plus their amazing groundbreaking records on overseas music charts etc which also highlights Korean K-pop culture and the fact that they contribute 0.3% to the Korean economy are reasons enough to be exempted I would have thought. I do not know of any person who has been exempted who has contributed as much as BTS has. A good politician drives policy not governs by committee.
Another thing too that many have not touched on as a scenario is if a war breaks out & S.Korea would need to be involved. If BTS was exempted, perhaps they would be out of harm's way. However, if that hypothetical war breaks out when BTS (any or all of the members) is serving, what then? Would they be ushered out of harm's way & stay at HQ, or would they be forced to be out in the field when EVERY soldier is required, including those at boot camp? What about volunteering to be out in the field instead of a military desk job? The Ukranian war is a big example that a war can break out any time when least expected. Russia is near South Korea, but North Korea is even closer. Those are 2 ticking time bombs & one of them had already blown up. The Russo-Ukrainian war actually started around 2014 & was ongoing, with a bit of peace & hibernation inbetween, until it woke up this year. The North & South Korean conflict has been going on since the 1950's, which turned into a cold war, but just one misstep & that can blow up as well. And it's not just those 2 scenarios. There are other world conflicts that we cannot even forecast. Also think about an extreme worst-case scenario where BTS is sent to a ground zero conflict & one of them gets killed. That would be a bad day not only for South Korea but globally. Figuratively & literally, BTS did take a bullet for you. Again though, hypothetical worst-case scenario. Everyone exercises worst-case scenarios in order to be prepared for the worst. We just hope that the best is "yet to come" & not the worst.
Ambassadors don't get exempted
@@robwebnoid5763 no war is going to break out lol you have no clue
@@janvdb9258 ... So why did you not tell the whole world when & what Putin was going to do exactly 5.2835 years ago before he continued the Russo-Ukranian war at end of February 2022 so that at least everyone was ready to evac? Or why does that mortgage contract require 2 signatures instead of one. Or why do we need a Vice President (in the US) or a chain of command for most governments? Or why do we need to have weather forecasts at all? Or would you rather have airlines not do pre-flight checks & maintenance repairs before an aircraft flight that you're going on? Or why is there a military border between North & South Korea with soldiers standing by? Or why Armageddon begins in anno domini 2061 & no one is doing anything about that skyscraper-sized asteroid heading towards Earth? The reason is you have to prepare for worst-case scenarios & not assume at all. The Y2k bug would have done a lot worse if companies & programmers did not start going through codes at least 5 years prior. To say there won't be a war is like saying that fated Sewol Ferry will be ok on its entire voyage back in 2014. Every situation is considered 50/50, you just have to put faith into it that it will go well. And here's the smoking gun ... the fact that SK even has military conscription is evidence enough that they are preparing for worst case, if & when it happens. As the old saying goes, "To assume is to make an ASS out of U & ME."
If the government refuse to outright exempt BTS I think they should at the very least place them in a public service or ambassadorial/diplomatic role. Instead of a basic military role their skills could be utilized to much greater value to South Korea than running round a field, learning weaponry and doing standard soldier type activities.
This! I wholeheartedly agree. At this point, given their position and impact to South Korea’s economy, I don’t understand why the government hasn’t considered them more for a “goodwill ambassador” or “cultural ambassador,” role. I will state-I’m not Korean so I’m speaking from an outsider perspective.
Agreed!
Exactly! Still serve their country but in a different way. Personally, I think they could be used to gather attention to some of their less popular charities or most needy charities because ARMY is always there to help. Just saying, philanthropy is one avenue. I heard for Yoongi's birthday one year, ARMY took on this village (forgot what country but S. America) it was an impoverished village that suffered some natural disaster and they didn't have the money to rebuild. Army did though! In fact, the video I saw said they added Yoongi's name to the village name in appreciation. Not to mention when Bighit & BTS donated $1M to BLM, Army matched it. If the Korean govt was smart, they're already using, and taking advantage of BTS for their purpose...they used BTS to ensure they get the World Expo in 2030! So the Korean govt is not stupid, they know BTS is valuable to them, and they're afraid of public opinion. So take advantage of them in philanthropic ways that benefit their country.
This makes perfect sense, the government of South Korea could appoint them as official ambassadors at large, they have already met and spoke with world leaders, recently with President Biden, they spoke at the United Nations, they are serving their country on a daily basis.
They already have diplomatic passports. And were given a medal from cultural affairs.
Blackpink have just proved BTS can enlist
Athletes and musicians are exempt. Were they ever invited to the White House? Have they been Republic of Korea's Special Presidential Envoys for Future Generations and Culture? Have these exempt Korean citizens been invited to speak to UNICEF's General Assembly? Have these exempt Korean citizens join forces with UNICEF to help end violence, abuse and bullying and to promote self-esteem and well being among children and youth globally? Are these Korean exempt citizens known world wide? Have these exempt citizens have fans that contributed and donated millions of dollars to charities? Have these exempt citizens been recognized and given awards for their accomplishments world wide? Have these Korean exempt citizens brought in as much money to S. Korea as BTS have? I just want S. Korea to be fair. Athletes, musicians, why not BTS? The South Korean government should pass a law to exempt BTS from military service and to thank them for their dedication and hard work globally and world wide. Take a poll! Ask who are in favor of BTS being exempt. By sending them to the military will create a lot of negativity towards the S. Korean Government world wide.
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Thank you for putting into words what every Army around the world knows and believes, but what the South Korean government seems to be turning a blind eye to. What the South Korean government fails to understand is that not only is BTS national ambassadors for their country, but also global ambassadors for the entire world. They have accomplished more in their life span so far that anyone could ever hope to accomplish in their entire life. How many people can say that they have fans in over 193 different countries. Army is literally the biggest family on the entire planet. No one in history can claim that accomplishment. We are a force to be reckoned with, I don't think the South Korean government realizes how protective we are of our guys. If they are forced to do their military service, they better hope nothing happens to our guys.
Very true!
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Why can they not consider their diplomatic service as serving the government? Two UN trips and a meeting with the US President should knock a year off their service and then they just have to serve a year
If the Korean government didn't get the message recently when BTS announced they were looking at focusing on solo projects and someone mistranslated it to imply they were taking a long term hiatus - the financial hit the stock market took is only a fraction of what will happen when the members are removed from the public for 2 years and I don't know of any other group that are generating 3% GDP for Korea???
Doesn't matter - you want them to be slaves for entertainment just for the army and public and stock market ? If they want to join like their friends and brothers - they should go - they are not puppets - its not all about money !
If the boys do not all enlist at the same time ALL together, then the country will be losing more than 2yrs worth of revenue, atleast 4yrs at the very least, if not even longer...all depends on how the boys will enlist...if they're forced to enlist b4 the end of the year, rite now it's looking like the boys will enlist separately or atleast into 2 groups- the 4 eldest now & the 3 youngest once they return...could be l9nger than 5yrs...but who knows...2yrs alone is long enuf to kill a country's income that's for sure...I won't feel sorry for the country if they deny the exemption, that's all I've gotta say. Let's pray that the South Korean government makes an official announcement soon! 💜
Praying for the best to happen to BTS.... Although we all know that they've already served their country in so many ways that's even beyond imagination but still they are expected to give 1000% because they are BTS, why don't they acknowledge their sincerity and their exceptional acheivements.... I'm not a Korean so i don't really know about these issues but I hope and pray for the absolute happiness and wellness of BTS no matter what the final outcome will be💜
The truth is that nobody cares with classical music. I can't say any classical musicians name even in my own country, but I know every BTS members name.
Mentally exhausted from trying not to get slapped for saying the wrong thing? I got caught off guard😂😂🤣 Other than that I loved this video! I'm learning to speak Korean using 3 Learn Korean with BTS books! I plan on visiting S Korea next year too. I'm an ARMY and in favor of exemption! What other artist over all has the world in the palm of their hands while bringing positive attention to their country?!
NOOONE has had the affect on the world that BTS and no one deserves it more I pray nightly that they receive it however does half their country turn against them if they do....I feel mentally exhausted thinking about it and I can’t imagine what it’s doin to them
oohh, i need a TL;DR... I accelerated my learning for Korean, went to Korea, met friends there...all because of BTS
For me, I started learning Korean after watching some Kdramas, made some friends to practice with in Korea, and that's about it. THEN BTS...I found BTS and they have made me reallly want to learn Korean, I watch their Vlives when they're live & no subtitles are available yet. Then I go back to see how well I did at comprehending, I'm getting better! yay! ALSO, I was able to go to Korea for their FanMeeting Magic Shop, got the OK from the Hubby, took him to Korea with me, finally met many of my language exchange friends, went to Busan, Jeju, & Seoul...Loved it all! We want to go back & would have by now if there wasn't that waste of time waiting period that we'd be stuck in a hotel. LOL BTS helped me get out of my comfort zone and I'm so happy I did! I've met some amazing people & ARMYs from all over the world & not just online. Next time we go to Korea, it will also be based on what BTS is doing... I heard that at one point 1 in every 13 visitors to Korea was there because of BTS. Wonder if that has increased but it's probably a weird time to gauge that since they've not had anything big in Korea for a while due to covid & also covid F'd everything up... I hope they get an exemption, if not Korea's merchandise industries, travel, etc may not increase like they want. i don't know...
Shame on the government for not making this decision sooner. How can the members plan their lives not knowing whether they are exempt or not? Well....now that they've decided to work on solo projects, IMO, they've helped the govt to make the decision to make them enlist. I get the suggestion of doing 3 months at a time, but do Korean corporations 'hold' their jobs for them each time they would go away? TBH, I wish, if they have to go, they would have all gone together during the pandemic. It might have provided them the 'break' they needed and maybe they could have come back as a group. But again, the govt. was wrong for not making a decision sooner. Meanwhile, I am biased as I'm still shocked that the former President was 'pardoned' after only 4 years in prison (Sewol) by the same President who appointed BTS as ambassadors. Where is the public stink about that? I really enjoy your video presentations and am smiling as you're describing the chair experience. I have two breaks in my back and my shoulder....wonder if that chair would help me? :) ARMY grandma
yes, BTS also has a "pause clause" in their contract as all male idols for military
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I agree with your comment of BTS enlisment. BTS deserves to be exempted. Though I’m not Korean, I’m proud to be Asian as BTS is also Asian. BTS has done much not only for Korea but also us Asian and people all over the world. 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
That's why the OT7 make a decision to prepare the Army because until now they still in limbo.Thats why they come up the decision to take a break as a group and do solo career.
They're not only doing solo projects though. They just shifted their priorities. They're still working on new Run BTS episodes, will be attending the Fact Music Awards and have also confirmed a 2023 international concert in Seoul in support of the South Korean bid for the 2030 World Expo (at which time Jin will be in the military). So the problem is still very much relevant for them as a group and for the country as well.
They should be exempt, no one else has brought so much attention to South Korean culture like BTS has. They never asked to be ambassadors of Seoul or the faces of Korea but has taken on the responsibility beautifully. I do not like how the government has kept stringing them along for so long without a decision. The government takes pride in the boost of economy due to the money BTS brings into Korea but they can’t get military exemption is ridiculous. I also agree that a system should be created for pop stars if the ever reach BTS status in the future to be exempt for the military. All eyes are on South Korea’s entertainment now because of BTS. Something should be done to make Korea’s military more enticing for the general public. The stories I have heard are scary.
I’m from the US … I cannot believe the Korean government are still “tossing the ball” around .. JUST MAKE A DECISION SO BTS & HYBE CAN MOVE FORWARD.
Why does that surprise you? The US Congress has been worthless for years-even decades. I also worry about BTS in the military and bullying and other negative aspects of the military. From the things I’ve heard about the US military-I would not want any child to go. It’s dehumanizing to say the least. However, if they do go, I’m hoping they can work in entertainment like Ji Chang Wook did-he was in a musical. But, ultimately I would like to see an exemption or see them go in all at the same time.
i did not know that there is a country called south Korea until BTS, so most of people know about south Korean, kdrama and kpop because of BTS
We are from Papua New Guinea. We never follow Korea not until we know BTS. We then feel the most respect and admiration to the Korean Culture and etc. Because of BTS. Hope that Korean Government and all Koreans are as proud as we are for BTS.
How many other K-pop star have been invited to the UN several times? How many other K-pop star has actually had a personal audience with the President of the United States? This is not an ordinary group. They are world ambassadors. When The other K-pop groups can add accomplishments like that, then they should be exempt too. Its not about the $$$. They are not buying the exemption. They have touch areas far beyond music.
you're absolutely right.... they are touching people's hearts with their music....😍🥰🥰👍👍🥰🥰🥰
Korean War hasn’t ended yet, the number of male soldiers are low. If North Korea resumes war you want them to go trained or untrained?
I dont even know a single one of their songs and they all look like girls to me...
@@zulynava4059 N. Korea isn't going to do anything. They keep the threat to stay relevant. No recent threats from them...noone is paying attention. N.K. would be stupid to attack...they know it would be their doom. Why do you think all this time, all they have done is test missiles...they are completely at a disadvantage and they know it...they know if they tried anything, their end, especially their current government will end. This is the reality they do not want to meet.
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It takes a real understanding of the culture to be able to comment on that sensitive case. As a foreigner, I will not allow myself to say what is right or wrong to do. I think either or, BTS will have no choice but to enlist in order to avoid negative impact on their reputation specifically in Korea.
If you factor in how much money they bring in to South Korea and what happened recently when they announced a break. Makes you wonder how much South Korea will be affected when they are in military.
I do agree that it seems, (as an American ARMY), that they have contributed to their country's economy, promoted their culture, and brought so much Joy to the world, as well as how physically demanding their job is, acting as diplomats/ambassadors, the sacrifices they have made, and then seeing the pressure put on them when they announced that they were focusing on solo projects, (I'm sorry, I forgot the woman's name and title, who wrote a letter basically begging BTS to reconsider, and how negatively their absence will affect the culture), *deep breath* certainly seems like they have earned being exempted from service.
As to what you were saying about breaking up service into blocks of time, I didn't see if anyone else mentioned this, but maybe they do it similar to the Reserves in the US. You go through Bootcamp, then serve small blocks of time.
I'm not from Korea but I don't understand why they don't just let them do boot camp like they've done for 1 or 2 idols in the past. That seems like an acceptable compromise. & while the government continues to drag their feet on the issue the country will continue to lose more & more $. Cuz plan & simple the rest of the world is not going to travel to Korea or buy products if they feel the ppl they fell in love with are being mistreated by their own government
Well I dont know Korea's classical artists nor olympic gold medalists but I do love BTS. Who is really contributing to Korea's popularity and economy?
People outside of South Korea would be surprised to learn that the majority of South Koreans do not believe BTS or others should even get a military exemption to begin with. And if BTS did receive an exemption their reputation within their own country would take a hit since they are considered role models. Its not about money pumped into their economy or accolades. It’s up to the government and their citizens to decide this issue. I love BTS. Whatever the government decides, BTS will come out of this fine.
I don't know where you get this false info but as a Korean I know 90% of Koreans wants military exemption for BTS, if you read Koreans, go to Korean portal sites where they talk about BTS and military.
@@speakupyt4900 I’m sorry I triggered YOU! Where did I get this information? From South Koreans! It’s sad that you are out of touch with the sentiments of your own country. 90%? I don’t think so! Alternative service as in some military service but not a blanket full exemption….Here’s the latest clip from Korea Now where you can see for yourself, young and old are divided on this issue just a day ago! ruclips.net/video/gDlhi2Kq35E/видео.html. And finally I hate to break the news to you but Jin will leave for the military in December. The Government knew what it was doing by pushing the issue to the population because like I said, most SK believe it’s BTS’ duty to serve and remains a sensitive issue. It’s ingrained in SK culture to serve because it’s still at war with North Korea.
BTS need to serve two years military service like the other Korean men. Many K-pop artists were at the height of their careers and had to go to the army.
@@viannanolen-peters1392 there's a huge difference in contribution & impact of BTS than any other k-pop groups love
bts keeps working, creating, winning , and are the strongest cultural influencers to the world: gastronomy, itistory, economy , foreigners the learning kthe korean language, etc, .it is a constant recognition of korea on the planet. unfortunetly sports and classical areas which are exempted have not prodduced what bts does year after year. with one olimpic medal that´s it? just wondering
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Agree totally!
I think the BTS members know that they themselves have to make plans of their own in readiness for military service should they not be exempted. This is possibly why they announced in their recent Festa that they are taking a break from group activities for the time being and concentrate on their respective solo activities instead. I reckon it is better for them to execute their plan first especially when the SK Government is still mulling over the exemption issue.
yeah and that's what they're doing instead is they're taking a long break and doing solo projects.... so they're focusing on that.... well when I meant to say was is that they took a break and they're focusing on more of the solo projects...
It will be a death sentence for politicians who exempt them. Every mother and every man in the country will be angry because their sacrifice was dismissed
Look at what happened to the stocks when BTS announced they were taking a break.
If the public denies exemption, ARMY will be upset. BTS already did so much for Korea so why wasn’t that taken into account? They bring so much revenue to Korea.
Korea's military cannot guarantee the safety of these young men (physically or mentally) from the proven abusive military culture.
The career interruption is a smaller issue than this concern.
The Military Exemption should be for those whose contribute to their country, regardless their career. South Korean should recognize BTS contribution. At the very least on South Korea Economic and Culture.
Right? Especially when CEO of Music Association went all public shaming them to return to group activities because the whole industry suffers as well as concerns that tourism business will suffer
I was looking for this comment. Yeah they did amazing things but tax paying regular people provide all they can to a country also. That's like telling someone who picks of trash you don't matter go serve cause you don't bring in high economic value to a country and the government just seem to milk bts every chance they get.
I didn't know anything about Korea before finding BTS and Army. Now I am learning Korean, I watch lots of Korean tv and cinema and I am reading books. I talk about all those things with many people as I can. All of this because of BTS
What if instead of completely exempting qualifying artists the government reduces the time they have to serve? Like by half or something?
they shouldn't have to do anything, they had just said they wanted to focus on solo albums while resting from group schedules but they are fulfilling a duty to do a concert soon in Busan to attract the 2030 World Expo to Busan, they're being forced to amend their plans....
Which begs the question - how are they going to do the global scale concert for Busan in 2023 if Jin and Yoongi have enlisted?
@@mlove1967 Did they say it will take place in 2023?
@@sc33h3o3 Yes. They are SK's ambassadors (as per usual) for their bid to host the 2030 World Expo and will be holding a concert next year as part of SK's effort to show the world they should be given the honors of hosting. It was announced jointly by the government and HYBE last week. So, again - not a classical musician, not an Olympic medalist, but BTS will be the face of SK in their bid to prove their place on the world stage. I would say they have done MORE than their share for their country.
@@mlove1967 True dat!
It is always enlightening to hear your perspective on situations in Korea. I am one of the individuals who are learning the Korean language and plan to visit the country because of BTS. I definitely think BTS have already served their country. It seems counterintuitive to stop the economic boost and cultural interest that BTS brings to their country. That being said, I hope BTS have the choice to do what they want. They have worked hard and have incredible weight on their shoulders.
I had to put my coffee down when you were talking about your massage! 🤣
Same here friend!
If they have to enlist they can make the time period short, let them release content during that time and so on. Basically find the middle ground so that it can make both sides happy without going for the extremes of completely exempt or must enlist full term.
Because they do have achieved undeniable recognition everywhere possible which contributed to spreading the Korean culture.
I think the government is having a hard time
1-because there are so many kpop idols and it’ll get worse when they (BTS)get exemptions because many boys will all want to take that advantage and join the industry.
2.The government fears to lose a lot of money because they know even though they try to pretend that BTS has a huge influence on their economy.They fear to lose investors(remember the loss because of hiatus)
3.They fear to be responsible for whatever may happen to the boys Incase they enlist.Remember these boys have so many enemies inside SK and the music industry.
Lastly..the problem here is huge.The government is in a fix (politically and economically )
I'm looking at the fact that BTS have done more for South Korea as pop stars than they ever could if they were in military. BTS have done amazing work for the S. Korean and Asian community and never once has asked for anything in return. Shouldn't they be give an opportunity to continue their careers and live uninterrupted without military service without question?
They Tribute so much to Korea. They have more medailles than any sportsmen or musician. They made South Korea loved globally. Time to change this because of their excellent skills and their economic influence. Double standards? I am not from SK but love the country through them.
Your perspective is UNPRECEDENTED in my experience! Thanks you so much for your candor! Your native speaker level English and lived experience as a Korean are just invaluable. You are the ONLY South Korean I have found who speaks candidly on this topic! No one will say WHY it's so bad and so desirable to avoid. BTS especially would have trouble adapting imo given their extremely skewed life experience and over dependence on each other...I also would love for them to be exempted but I'm a westerner and not as a tuned to the nuances and complexity involved. Thanks again! Your channel is amazing 👏 !
The clear achievement could be that if you are appoint as ambassadors it could come with exemptions of military because if is a politic role that comes with duties of representation of the country...not all artists has been ambassadors so that could close the debate.
BTS was made international ambassadors for Korea. They work with the United Nations in a UNICEF program! This is crazy! They should be exempted. Period. They should be allowed to have an alternative service consisting of their current UNICEF work or increasing it a little. Someone needs to get a backbone in Korea's government.
I think they don't deserve these 7 humble boys , I don't have any opinion about the military service because I'm not even interested, but people in S.K are treating them like they do 0 things for the country. I've also heard about thousand of people who got exempted and didn't go military and none of them reach bts level of popularity, these guys have done nothing wrong but place their own country on top of the world. All I want is people to appreciate them and give them what they deserved. The govt is taking advantage of them and use their names in political parties.
I am so afraid that they are going to be bullied very bad just because they are so famous. I even read that there are people that had died during the military service and it's suspected that it was because of the harsh bullying and harassment
It would be the opposite actually, say something happened in the military and it got out to the media. It would be a bad look for the Korean military. They will be looked after.
@@dingdong-jg1ys what happens in the barracks cannot be fully controlled by higher ranking officers. If they are seen to be shown special treatment it will make others resent them and make the issue worse.
Yes Taemin from SHINEE got bullied while enlisted in millitary . He suffered from mental depression. Afterwards he was transferred to public service..
If the government knows what‘s good for the nation, they will be putting a young looking secret agent beside each member, that acts as a bodyguard. HYPE could also negotiate that employees with the same function can serve beside the members. Bang PD is clever enough to arrange something like that.
Remember when GD went to military? Some creep dedicated his military hours stalking or listing down GD's body tatts and other creepy infos about GD, good luck to them BTS if they go thru that...
Wasn’t the crashing of the stock prices when they announced a hiatus enough to show how much economic impact BTS has for S Korea? Can you imagine where their stock exchange would be if BTS is sidelined for a year?
From articles I've read online it looks like a recent poll said 60% of South Koreans support BTS serving in alternative positions rather than active military service. I thought they already served as ambassadors, wouldn't that affect anything??
I am Korean American and I believe BTS deserves military exemption. At the same time, I don't like non Koreans criticizing Korea over this issue. There is more to Korea than BTS.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can criticize the S. Korean government, while still loving the Korean people and culture.
I watched a video yesterday on the treatment of popular idols during their military training, and the things they endeared is the only reason I dread the fact that BTS is going into the mandatory military. The hierarchy system in Korea is so toxic and outdated. I fear those in higher rank or their superior will misuse that power. I just pray for their mental and physical well-being during their time there! 🙏🏾
Here the video
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Me too 💔 😢
Thanks SL for the update on the guys. I would’ve expected that it should of been decided by now. I feel bad for the guys having to put their lives on hold for all this time. It’s not my place to say but
I would hope for them to be exempted and to continue making amazing music for the people around the world.
I am BTS International Army UK and came across BTS 5years ago,I never had any knowledge of Korea but started to learn a lot through being BTS Army, They have gave so much to Korea and have never said they wouldn't serve their country i just wish Korean Government would come to a decision on this enlistment and let BTS continue with their lives,
Your idea of transforming this service into Reserve Military Service is very good!
Well you don't know what you've got until it's gone. Let the exempted pianists and sports players bring to the country what BTS does and see how it goes. I hope they're exempted simply for the fact that I don't want them bullied and treated like shit. They've been through enough. They'll do the service with a smile on their face but it sucks
Those who want bts go to the military are all "they should go because others did" They just wish BTS to be totally out of the picture in the music industry. Their faves did go out of the picture when they entered the military, so they want BTS to do and experience the same. BTS is on a break I don't know why others still cry about it. BTS has done much more than other athletes have done for Korea, they should be exempted. But the government doesn't want to be in a hot seat, so they can't decide about it. They know how much BTS contributed to Korea but can't still favor BTS because some others who have experienced it will rant and say it's unfair. How was it unjust if you weight the things BTS have done for the country versus the things others have done in their career? The difference is so apparent. BTS did so much more for Korea. But BTS said they will enlist if they need to because they know some people will cry if they don't. LOL
The government should allow the citizens to vote on what they feel should be considered as an exemption for military service. If you look at what BTS has done for the country and the world, shouldn't they consider that as serving their country?
Before I watch this video I'm gonna share what I think, and then edit the comment.
The way Korean politicians have been handling this, president Yoon's bs about "we can't make the decision, we are watching people's reaction" has been absolutely ridiciouls and embarrassing, given that thanks to bts there's tens of millions of adult foreigners who are watching. People are making their own opinions, which weren't great already in the west, given the fascism, queerphobia and the fact that women are being stripped of their rights, despite their disadvantage. The whole thing is absolutely idiotic, not doing everything they can to be in bts' good graces and trying to keep them comfortable and active for as long as they can. Instead of kissing the floor they step on, they handled this situation in a way that made them so tired they had to go on an indefinite hiatus. Tiredness also caused by political responsibilities that should have not be theirs. Being the face of the country which they made popular, with all the pressure that it comes with, and then being treated like trash. Foreigners think of bts when they hear SK, they probably barely know who the president is. But when bts will be sent to serve like they haven't done enough, adults will know that country's gov as absurd and idiotic and nothing more. What's coming for SK's economy is fully deserved.
You’re Brilliant & Refreshing! Since stumbling up on a KPop MV called Dynamite….as a grandmother. Then fell down the BTS rabbit hole.
I’m learning Korean & am watching KDRAMA’s instead of American tv…
I’ve just been scared for idols to do their military service…I read where they are not treated well in there..I really believe these 7 men as much as they want to serve should not have to because I’m seeing repercussions. You saw what happened just with them going off to do solo work. HYBE stock fell …..what does their government think is going to happen when after all they’ve done in their 9 yrs for their country & they still have to do more by serving. I’m just sad for them & scared!
Bts does serve Korea already. They've already been thrown into politics with UN and talking about Asian hate at white house. They've been doing service. I'm confused as to why this is a real issue.
You’ve made some great points. 👍🏻
The politicians say let's have a free concert & picked a place they couldn't get zone to build hiRise buildings. So after telling all the Fans they are having a free BTS concert on a piece of land on the outskirts of Busan they decided to use the one they couldn't get a permit to rezone that had know facilities at all but they didn't care about army. Fandom spoke up about the unsafe place. So the concert was moved to a safer place. But bighit was told they couldn't afford it so they put it on BTS & Bighit to pay for lt. The Exbo committee that was to pay for it said we have money. So it's gonna cost BTS & Bighit 7 million dollars to get it up to standard. It's for showing off to the Exbo committee so they are picked for the Exbo to & choose Busan Korea. Buy using the guys to attract the Exbo. (Dance chickens dance.) But they won't exempt them.
In my opinion they meet the qualifications to be exempt and shouldnt have to serve. Just recently they have been named ambassadors for Formula One Korea and for World Expo - Busan . It would be a shame to have one or two absent when all 7 are expected to be present.
BTS is overqualified to be enlisted... so much achievement of this kpop group superstars. They became Presidential personal convoy and had cultural merit at their young age becoz of their own contribution. The world need BTS in this time of pandemic. So much problem in schools, teens, any age actually. They can give inspiration to those people who experienced discrimation or abused in this evil world. They gave so much donation worlwide. They share their blessing to the needy.. so pls dont enlist them becoz the whole world need them. indeed 😇😇😇
I believe that when Jin said he would be the last to release music. It meant he will be enlisting by the end of the year. If they don't make an exception for kpop Idols. Could they at least cut the time of enlistment. To Maybe six months. That way its more of a win win situation?
Let’s not talk about exemption for BTS, but let them represent us at the UN; twice, as special corespondents. Let them work for their country to get us the Olympics. Let them win several unbelievable awards that placed Korea on the map, in the West. Make sure they continue to make us billions. They are our slaves. Force them to work and make us money, there is no need to exempt them, this is there due diligence. BTS has done more than any politician, sports, and any other exempted parties. What a country? This is how much we value BTS.😒😉😏 they should be fully exempted and no soft power BS talk about doing performance and shortening their time in the military. Unbelievable 🧐🤮😊🥵How can I forget to mention meeting the US president at the White House😏
I agree with you. Their contribution is definitely not any less than those who are exempted by law. Unfotunately they are also caught in a situation of getting backlash even if they get exempted by law. It is sad but I reckon they would rather serve than to get that.
And now they are using them to boost their EXPO 2030 bid…
I agree with you!! Shame SK goverment!!! 😡
BTS is so proud to be Korean. They've said as much, many times. They have served their country with merit and honor, from the start. I know my opinion, in this matter, doesn't carry any weight, but I am of the opinion that the government should exempt them--specifically BECAUSE of the issues mentioned by other idols who have served.
I hope BTS move to the West after their military service, so Korean stop making money from them 😠😠😠😠
I heard how the Military Manpower side of things keeps insisting that exemptions should be eliminated entirely... and that there's now talk that superconductor engineers should receive exemption because their work is so important. 🙄
I wonder what will happen when the 'event horizon' hits and it requires 100%+ of the male population to enlist, to fulfil the number of active-duty soldiers required by law.
In other words, the whole military situation is long overdue for a serious overhaul (not the least, the 'mandatory' aspect...make it voluntary, and give the enlistees some real opportunities and incentives for signing up...) but the left hand don't know what the right hand is doing. And all this passing the hot potato off to someone else to juggle means nothing will be solved.
From what you say, it looks like the Assembly is finally trying to back off from the total exempt/no exempt extremes and come up with some compromise about reducing service or granting further postponement for significant contributors. But they've left it very late.
I think military service also plays into the attitude against women in SK as well. I think men resent that women don’t have to serve, and it contributes to the abuse of women there
SK decision: use 7 guys with profound global presence as diplomats/envoys/special attaches and exempt BTS. Or don’t; use them in the army in the military band or kitchen police for 18 months to better serve your country there.
Thank you for laying out these information, so fans can truly understand what could happen. More power to you! :)
The guys have been sheltered since they have been BTS. JK WAS they are 13. They can't date. They sing & dance play games like Run BTS. IN THE SOOP. then not been out in the public. They have body guards. But they will be like kids in and adult summer camp. Now the government wants to use them for personal like gor military functions. How can they do army drills but still work on dances to preform for special events. Then if Jk can't go because of his tattoos.. Also Jin has fingers problems. They need to be checked out. I'm surprised that 100,000 army just saw BTS they can't use the army fans to call or text companies to let them know that they won't buy any products so then hopefully they will lose money. They can call the government and tell them they need a exemption for BTS. SO 1000,000 ARMY FANS JUST GOT A FREE AWESOME CONCERT SO CALL & HELP THEM NOW.
You are very well spoken thank you!
Since it is mandatory, I'm surprised that BigHit/Hybe has not planned ahead for their either their enlistment as a group or one at a time instead of waiting like sitting ducks. They could have created content that could be released while they are in service. The pandemic would have been a good time to go in since they could not publicly perform. I also think they should have their pre-military physicals done. If they are anything like the United States, I would think Suga would not be eligible because he has been diagnosed with chronic depression, not to mention had a shoulder injury requiring surgery. V has cholinergic urticaria and relies on medication to control his symptoms which worsen when he gets hot. And then Jin has some bone problems in his hands, and has injured his fingers twice having recent surgery this year. So if they were to apply to the U.S. army they would not pass. When I was married, my ex-husband went to apply but was turned down because a year before He had a suspicious mole removed from the back of his leg electively to avoid pre-cancer or cancer. I was floored this made him ineligible because he was otherwise in top form. Apparently the military did not want to risk him developing cancer and then be responsible for the bill. He had no history of cancer. It was just a benign mole. Had we left it untouched, he would have gotten in. So if the Korean military has the same health standards, some of the BTS members are not eligible. I worry that they may be bullied or mistreated because of their status. I do like your idea of doing military service piece- meal.
Yes Sir 💜😁! I Agree with Everything you Said 😃😊! Thank you 💖 And they shouldn't have to Go!!!
I can give you an example of a similar situation from Israel. In Israel we have a mandatory army service for men and women. Of course there are a lot of people who find ways not to serve in the army. But here as well famous people are always in focus when it comes to joining the army. We actually have a very famous model Bar Refaeli who "cheated" the system in order not to serve in the army and keep going with her international modeling career. She married her cousin then told the army that she got married and was release from obligation doing the army service. Right after that she got the divorce and went on with her career. People here were pissed by this SO MUCH. And although she is still a beloved model and a celebrity, the FIRST thing that people will say when they talk about her is the fact that she cheated her way in order not to serve. It always comes up with nearly every discussion about her. And when it comes to discussing whether younger celebrities are going to join the army she is always brought up as a "bad" example. And celebs in Israel learned their lesson very well. They all join the army and do their time. Although here we have a lot of different opportunities and accommodations for nearly any case. Celebrities usually join army music bands/orchestra/theatre. Top sportsmen get to do really easy jobs like being a secretary for someone and they only come for several hours a week so most of the time they can keep training. Anyway in my opinion BTS should do the army service. It would be great if the army could find a more suitable role for them. But if they don't well, in several years who knows, a new generation might go crazy over other band but the public will always remember that they didn't do the army. Although maybe for korean society that could actually pass, I'm sure the mentality is quite different there.
BTS is supposed to put on a concert in 2023 as part of South Koreas bid to win the worlds fair in 2030. How are they supposed to do that with 2 members in the military? Or will the government give Jin and Yoongi the day off from the military to go promote their country? The government seems to want their cake and eat it too. The pressure on the members to perform at the South Korean governments standard has to be insanely stressful.
Since i'm not korean, i just wish anything the best for the boys.. and always support anything for them💜💜
I hate it! the more they make this mess even messier the more I wish the boys would enlist by their own accord asap.. and that's the last thing I'd ever want! But SK keeps using them and treating them like merchandise and it makes my blood boil. Also my greatest fear, that if by good 'luck'? they ended up exempted due to the vote, they would be forced to 'help' their government somehow, like they would owe their government ughhh not cool, not fair. I fear the average SK is 100% clueless about the effect of Bangtan in the world. I hate it here
It's none of my business really how Korea manages it's military service but I think your proposal of breaking up service into smaller blocks of time is sensible for all the reasons you mentioned. As for BTS it's a no brainer imo, their economic and cultural value is best utilized elsewhere then military service but I understand the political quandry and I'm biased of course.
Army would any of you be upset or mad if they were granted exemption? They’ve def made very positive contributions to SK and the world already…
Using Amercan Billboard charts as any part 0f the reason to give BTS military exemptions doesn't make any sense!!! It be so unfair to all the other hard working Kpop groups who also contribute to the world and the Korean economy. 18 months is not that long. Other idols lived so will BTS!!!!
It will depend which angle the government takes. I'm old, so i can remember the 60's. In Australia during the Vietnam War there was conscription based on a boy's 18th birthday. Conscription was very unpopular. We had a young, very successful pop star called Normie Rowe. He was "conscripted" as a public relations ploy by the Australian Army (no-one else with his birth date was conscripted) and served his time in Vietnam. It destroyed his career. He did manage to stay in the music industry because he was very talented, but it was never the same for him.
Loved Normie, had his poster on my wall. He went the same t8me as a much loved workmate of mine went.I along with so man6 Australians thought it was a terrible thing to do as especially as it was not our war.I think it is fine to support other countries without professional armed forces but to conscript young men it was awful especially as they were not respected on their return.
What is amazing is that after they announced their "hiatus" the Korea Singers Association's president reportedly released a statement on June 22 asking to BTS and HYBE Labels to reconsider.
Do you think these Korean lawmakers do not want to take a hard stance BTS exemption, letting public opinion decide because of their fear of ARMY? We all know ARMY has been a force to be reckoned with and very protective of the guys. Just a thought.
It doesn’t matter, because if war breaks out between North and South, everybody that has been out of the military for more than 2 years, will need to be retrained on all new weapons etc!
Imo 2 years of military service is extremely long period of time for a regular citizen just to learn the basic training, we have mandatory military service in Turkey as well but it's 12 months at most and also there is an option to pay money to reduce it down to 3 mo. Korea could consider adopting a similar way, 3 or 6 months of service would have an easy impact on kpop artists lives and careers
The explanation about your machine experience was hilarious!! So well described! Most times it happens that way!! Nevertheless, it made me laugh!
About BTS military exemption what you said is so understandable! If they got a training worth while, if they really practiced and learned and were awarded something that would stimulate and serve them in everyday life, make it worthwhile! Your suggestion relate to housing is excellent. Government authorities should take your suggestion seriously! You would be an excellent advisor!! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!! Keep safe!
The amount of money that BTS' work has generated for the S. Korean economy is not a sentiment. Yes, millions on millions the world over want BTS exempt, but the adverse financial impact is ridiculous. As a professional American I look at this and it just appears to be ludicrous. This just does not make sense. Also, to sit there and say that BTS can be compared to ANYBODY THAT HAS EVER COME OUT OF KOREA CULTURALLY OR IN THE SPORTS ARENA this is also ludicrous. I am nearly 50 years old and beyond BTS I have never known more than a passing item or 2 regarding South Korea. The South Korean government really cannot see this? I'm sorry this is all nonsense. Yes, having them waste 18 months of their lives is a waste of talent, time, international clout, and money. It looks foolish. Simple.
You should talk about the Korea court actually made a ruling back Nov 2018 for Alternative Civilian service for conscientious objectors in S Korea. It’s ground breaking case but came after decades of court battles and tens & thousands of male
citizens having criminal records just for refusing to bear arms and serve in military and the financial, emotional lost on the men and their family suffering.
As I 'm living in a country that has a threatening neighbour just as SouthKorea I do understand why they have that mandatory military service. In my country it is the same and all young men serve in one way or another. I also understand why the government has a hard time of making the decision. I really appreciate the way BTS members have said that they go if they must go. I don't know what's right or wrong but I wish they could pass this call and continue the good work.
In US we have Army Reserve, which means you train on weekends and two weeks every year. It works. But agreed if you already offer exemptions, BTS has earned theirs.
AIl I know is that if it wasn't for BTS, South Korea would not have the arm that it has today in the World. Also, kpop music or any other artists from Korea would've been given a chance or respect in different genres. As a singer, one thing I appreciate so much are the great singing voices, artists, and actors of Korea... something I would have never listened to had it not been for BTS. We are talking $$$$$.
I like your platform. I will be listening to you more. I like how you explain about Korean culture.
Thanks for explaining what’s going on.
I’m so worried about this. I know Korea is still in danger and I want BTS to be safe and learn to defend themselves but they took a hiatus just to escape the pressure of showbiz and for them going to the military world not be good for them . BTS is very successful and have a huge fan base. However, along with great success there comes a lot of haters too and I’m afraid people would hurt them. I understand the military is not supposed to be a very nice place because you have to act tough to defend yourself properly in case of a new war breaks out but I think they show treat each other with respect, if you understand what I’m trying to say. Well, Portugal hasn’t been at war in a long time. I think the only time we’ve ever been at war was many centuries ago and it was between us and Spain. And the fact we defeated a dictator in the 70s doesn’t really count as war. But we had mandatory military service too but that was to defend our colonies in Africa . My grandfather on my mother’s side had to serve . I can confirm people who went there, had gone bananas. I know a person whose father was so traumatised that he still has nightmares and when it happens, his mother has to get out of bed because he starts punching the air.
And the way he was treated by his superior only made things worse. On one hand, I do want them to be exempted, not necessarily because of economic issues. I don’t understand economics . But more because I’m scared of what it might do for their mental health. But on the other hand, I want them to be prepared to defend themselves just in case.
I don’t know how Yoongi’s shoulder is even after surgery because I doubt it is 100 percent healed though by what Suga says ( correct me if I’m wrong) is getting better
And I’m worried about him physically and mentally . BTS had to go on hiatus because they were pressured so much it was burning them all out. As much as I think military would be good in terms of them being trained to be safe, I think the military is the last thing they need right now. So if I’d have a say in the matter, I’d vote exemption but I’m not Korean so I don’t have a say in the matter but I really hope they’d be exempted for their own health
good idea for these 3 month periods... not easy to set up but it remains an innovative and intelligent idea!!
I'm American,I was curious as to how does the mandatory Military service work.When youre college bound? Breaking it up does make sense,you bring up great points.