Kyrie 45 % KD 40% Management 15% - Kyrie sabotaged the project with his indifference to the process, KD refused to hold Kyrie accountable, and management allowed it to get out of hand. This episode of Kyrie/KD proves Chuck absolutely right in that KD was a bus rider ESPECIALLY considering KD also had a championship roster in OKC, let's not forget that. If Lebron went to GSW right now or at the beginning of last season, he would've been a bus rider while maybe being the best player on the team BECAUSE GSW didn't need you to compete and possibly win a championship. Russell Westbrook actually spoke about this and KD already when discussing him leaving OKC.
@@just4random580 Yeah he's went off the deep end. He has always hated, but now days it's just completely 100% blind hate towards everyone with absolutely no real argument to back anything up. Dude is past his age.
@@m6bimmer30 yeah it's disrespectful to Alfred. My man was always reliable when Batman needed him, unlike Kyrie when his team needed him. Kyrie more like the police in that scenario. Sometimes they show up and shoot at the bad guy, and sometimes they don't.
@@sonikspeed19 ok Kyrie bashing is the new thing I see...people are so sensitive these days. Nba finals was kinda trash this year so I see why they jumping to next season ..lol
@@sonikspeed19 Kyrie is definitely Red Hood....an overpowered number 2 if he cant stay focused for any amount of time. Red Hood shot Steph Curry to win Batman a ring in Cleavland.
@@SoundSoRich can’t nobody outside the locker room truly know but one telling thing is he also left and never pushed the problem out in OKC he didn’t go to the Gm and say either Russ go or I go he just packed up and left and joined GS and after that short stop now that Kyrie making waves he still is yet to step up and say kyrie get right or get gone because he is sitting quietly and letting his friendship get in the way of business
Definitely Kyrie fault but Kevin Durant made a bad move by following Kyrie to Brooklyn. Both our talented but neither one is a leader and both are weirdos and bozos.🤡
It's the nets fault for caving to kyrie when they kept him from playing they enabled him to have all this "power" again and thus be able to cause dysfunction for KD and his teammates
Did you even listen to what Joy said? She explained it numerous times that Kyrie is a #3 because he is so unreliable and always absent. She's speaking facts, how is that hating? Lol
@@MakuArein did you listen...she traced it back to Cleavland and there by completely invalidated her argument. Anyone who said Kyrie is not at least a Robin is an idiot or a hater by any measurement.
@@MakuArein that’s a good explanation to say that about a guy that was a number 2 and won a ring as a number 2? Injuries happen it’s the nba and somehow now it’s not acceptable to put your religious beliefs over your job. She’s speaking only half of the truth not facts so it’s hate
I really liked Joy's take. She's very intelligent and full of knowledge.... with that said, that simple all black outfit and white trim looks good on her! She is looking amazing!
Here’s a thought… When the team doesn’t have a strong voice of leadership, that’s when a coach is supposed to step up and guide their players into the positions to succeed. These “super teams” don’t have a strong coach bc the ego of the players. Edit: it took them 11:53 until joy brought up their identity and coaching < lack of coaching
NBA is a Superstar League.. Even Pop & PJax can't flex Power over Duncan nor Kobe.. Leadership comes from the PLayer themselves.. Superstar sells Stadium Tickets & Merchs.. What authority anyone can reign on your Moneymaker.. ???
@@tigacainta Kobe and Tim never tried to undermine their coaches. Those superstars you mentioned plus many others were superstars who were also coachable players. They don’t need to be coached to be superstars, or to be great, but the great teams need coaches too for this very reason. They should provide the balance. I’m not trying to be argumentative. Just how I see it. And no coach can with without their players. It’s a balance.
@@snikab Yeah Steve Kerr understands that balance and credits players when they sacrifice. Like asking Curry and Iggy to come off the bench It's wild that Kenny Atkinson won a ring before they did lol
Those practices took place when he was allowed back and could only play road games. He needed help getting up to speed. He said it himself. He would ask some of the guys if they could help him get his rhythm.
I wish all these talking heads would come to the realization that talent does not equal leadership. Just cause your the most talented doesn't mean you should lead or want to. KD is actually the best robin in history. He himself stated when he went to GS he just wanted to hoop without the pressure of leading because it wasn't fun. Get KD an actual leader in the locker room that won't take the spotlight or care about it (like a billups or Manu) and you will see the nets compete for championships.
I don't think KD is an alpha, he is one of the greatest players ever, but not an alpha. This is on Kyrie. But it is something they can get pass. Play another year, show up, when a Championship, then get your max deal.
Kyrie is not an "alpha" he's a terrible leader. What alpha acts like kyrie does? Just cause kyrie does whatever he wants and acts selfishly doesn't mean he's alpha
Kyrie needs someone like lebron to lead him. Durant doesn't need anyone like that he's a consistent killer and knows what he needs to do to be successful he just isn't a good leader
KD- Kyrie situation kinda reminds me of Tom Brady and AB. For the longest time Brady wld tell Bucs to keep AB coz he needed him ( alledgedly). But i think everyone has a breaking point. Even KD has breaking point. I think he will finally and hope cut ties with Kyrie.
I understand where you’re coming from but I think you’re absolutely wrong Bill deBlasio caused this when he made those illegal mandates for people to get the shots in New York 🤷🏾♂️
Rick might have won this debate had he asked one simple question: Who do you all believe IS the leader of the team, KD or Kyrie? Because I believe the HONEST answer to that question is Kyrie. And THAT would mean that KD (who should be the *definitive* leader of the Nets) has FAILED.
I think the Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irvin situation with the Nets offers yet another cautionary tale for young people starting out in life, whatever field they get into. And that is: Don't chase friendship in business! In other words: it's probably almost always a bad idea to go into business with a close friend. Why? Because of the tendency to think that Friendship Conquers All! You will think: my friend will do right by me in this business of ours! Your friend will think: my friend won't do me dirty in this business of ours! The two of you are likely to have very different ideas about what that means. And when the business fails, the friendship could be irrevocably damaged because each friend feels Personally betrayed by the other; and they blame each; but you two were never on the same page about business to start with.
Bruh no matter what kd says it is on kyrie to make his own choices. He is a grown man who has been in the league for 10 years. He can make his own choices like he has his entire career. Kd won't change that
Harden would have stayed but he signed on to play with KD and Kyrie, kyrie didn't get vaccine so missed most of the season, Kd got hurt so Harden signed on to be 3rd man and now he got to run the show by himself? I see why they falling apart
@@juyahmad he’s not, harden was trying to get to Philly, he even admitted so. Thanks to his former GM being there. He was looking for his pay check. And the proof is the contract he’s trying to get now.
@@Wavy_Godd96 bruh the only reason he said he was trying to get to Philly was because he was in front of everyone at the sixers press conference. He had a chance to go to Philly and chose the nets, he even talked to KD and kyrie about joining the nets and he said at his nets press conference that he wanted to be there. You can’t be that gullible, if the sixers were his first option, he had a chance to go there when he was in Houston
@@juyahmad They weren’t trying to trade him to Philly goofy mf, that’s the point the main GM of the rockets knew that and didn’t want to trade him there. Hence he had no choice but to goto Brooklyn and from there he forced a trade and got what he wanted. Where’s harden now tryna to get his max deal from whom not Brooklyn, but Philly. The dude made it clear especially that month he was out parting with lil baby and meek mill.
Did anyone else get uncomfortable when he touched her arm while saying the glasses made her more convincing? Then he put his arm/hand down right next to her and she moved away immediately. Her facial expression was that she was exremely uncomfortable with the situation. Start at 5:02
Its hate because only hate can have intelligent people saying completely idiotic things like "kyrie cant be a number two on a championship team" when he already was a number two on a championship team.
😂😂😂A 3 calling Kyrie a 3!!! They 😡 Kyrie didn't take an experimental drug that you have to sign a waiver to protect the manufacturer. Sounds like Kyrie makes his own decisions and Shady does what Brady says.....🙃🤫
Kyrie’s at fault lmfao why’s that so hard to believe? Kyrie was gonna do Kyrie no matter who told him to stand up straight. I love KD, my fav player of all time: I said it when he first signed with BKYN: He was never going to win a championship there. I said it when Kyrie started missing games: KD’s out, no way he’s staying. Go to Denver my guy, win a few with Jokic.
This Batman and Robin thing is getting out of hand. Superstars are all batman. Robins are all-stars or players that can't reach a certain level of play in big games. I thought Kyrie dropped almost 40 game 1 of the Boston series. KD struggled and they lost game 1. That was the series. Kyrie deferred to Kd after that and it didn't work. Lebron recognized that Kyrie can get it done if u let him loose. They still will be the the favorites if he gets resigned
KD isn't responsible for who Kyrie is, but he had to know that Kyrie is not a reliable team member. Flashes of good play breeds inconsistency. How can you win with that?
KD is not a true leader . He makes peace with Irving at expense of his team . Also he is pruned to injuries. I have no problem of letting him go and rebuild the Brooklyn team . KD is good but not super good
im not a KD fan in the slightest, but even asking this question is insulting to the man. Kyrie is an obnoxious human being, and CLEARLY the one responsible for this historical fiasco of a team
Its the organization, 1st ya didn't get the best coach available to win a Chip, 2nd Kyrie told you I'm not getting a needle 💉, I'll play on the road, "oh we not going to have a part time player, oh Kyrie can you come back to play road games🤦🏾♂️" 1bad decision, 2 bad decision on executive level now the floor level got out coached & harden- Simmons situation
Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games Kyrie since leaving Lebron: 17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him. 18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team. 19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games. 20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year. 21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games. He would be Walmart Tracy McGrady without Lebron, Harden, and Durant
It’s not Kevin Durant’s fault, because this is not who Kevin Durant is. He is not a Tom Brady or a LeBron James. I’m talking about leadership qualities, not talent. And as Joyce says, the bulk of this falls on Kyrie because he is the one doing the actions. He is the one that keeps dropping off the court for various reasons.
What Puzzles me is all of a sudden nobody likes KD but when he was in OKC everybody were the biggest KD fan,I never heard anyone say they didn’t like KD.
There’s a lot o assuming on this subject about KD. How do we know KD didn’t drW the line and say “he brother, we are trying to win a championship. We can’t do it without you I as the leader and the rest of this team needs you or go home and stay out of our way and don’t be a distraction”. Then Kyrie replies, “sorry bro, but I don’t trust this vaccination process and I value my health, so I am NOT getting vaccinated”. Therefore, if this happened KD has zero power to make another grown man do what he wants him to do period! So STOP IT🛑
Nothing has happened with Kyrie or KD. Everyone is creating their own story get those clicks. This is what pro athletes do when negotiating a new deal.
John Taylor kyrie never said he didn't want to play. The team said he could not olay because he wasn't vaccinated. Or the dirty said it whoever. But all the visitors and fans can come and play and not be vaxxed.... that doesn't even sound round and I'm glad kyrie stood on his.
Who’s to blame for Nets dysfunction?
@Nets Organization is to blame! Starts @ TOP
The nets and the NBA.
Honestly? Everyone. But Alfred is the most at fault.
KD!!! Hes nothing but a bus rider!
Kyrie 45 % KD 40% Management 15% - Kyrie sabotaged the project with his indifference to the process, KD refused to hold Kyrie accountable, and management allowed it to get out of hand. This episode of Kyrie/KD proves Chuck absolutely right in that KD was a bus rider ESPECIALLY considering KD also had a championship roster in OKC, let's not forget that. If Lebron went to GSW right now or at the beginning of last season, he would've been a bus rider while maybe being the best player on the team BECAUSE GSW didn't need you to compete and possibly win a championship. Russell Westbrook actually spoke about this and KD already when discussing him leaving OKC.
Broussard said it best,the Nets have a Batman with a Robin mentality(Durant)and a Robin with a Batman mentality(Irving)
So well said
Facts!!! KD needs to work on his leadership skills. Can’t care about being cool with everybody.
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Kyrie Irving is Jason Todd but not red hood just yet…next few years will be telling whether he does become him or not
@@cylvaniaallen4498 He is 34. A bit late to develop leadership skills
Acho's unwavering love for Giannis is why I love him. Giannis is our BOY!!
Yeah coz 🇳🇬
Word!!!
Acho is the same guy who said giannis couldn’t be the number one guy in the NBA because people can’t pronounce his last name
@@coltonpeterson1452 he's still not the #1 guy 🤷🏿♂️
@@giovannicarter3076 he's in my top 3
This group is really good, honestly it’s entertaining, Insightful and different perspectives all around. Good show 💪🏾
Legit my new favorite show. Skip been so annoying lately i cant with undisputed
Ric has always been great and acho has been a breath of fresh air in the industry ! Congrats to all!
Except for Joy Taylor lol. She’s unwatchable. I skip her sections
They have terrible analysis
@@just4random580 Yeah he's went off the deep end. He has always hated, but now days it's just completely 100% blind hate towards everyone with absolutely no real argument to back anything up. Dude is past his age.
Acho really is an incredible speaker.
Agreed. But love how Joy just puts synthesizes everyone's points and ties it all together.
Rich Bucher sat UP for that Tom Brady information 😂
Joy looks like a Hot Teacher Today! 🔥
Joy called him Alfred😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Alfred came in clutch a bunch of times though.
funny but disrespectful!
@@m6bimmer30 yeah it's disrespectful to Alfred. My man was always reliable when Batman needed him, unlike Kyrie when his team needed him. Kyrie more like the police in that scenario. Sometimes they show up and shoot at the bad guy, and sometimes they don't.
@@sonikspeed19 ok Kyrie bashing is the new thing I see...people are so sensitive these days. Nba finals was kinda trash this year so I see why they jumping to next season
..lol
@@sonikspeed19 Kyrie is definitely Red Hood....an overpowered number 2 if he cant stay focused for any amount of time. Red Hood shot Steph Curry to win Batman a ring in Cleavland.
KD Never been that kind of dude he couldn’t put his foot down with Russ in OKC
And ran out of town cause the media called him Mr Unreliable
How you know ? Seemed to be some fire when they're went up head to head.
@@SoundSoRich can’t nobody outside the locker room truly know but one telling thing is he also left and never pushed the problem out in OKC he didn’t go to the Gm and say either Russ go or I go he just packed up and left and joined GS and after that short stop now that Kyrie making waves he still is yet to step up and say kyrie get right or get gone because he is sitting quietly and letting his friendship get in the way of business
@@SoundSoRich When they was teammates KD never confronted Russ like Shaq did Kobe
This was a great conversation. You all did a great job effectively communicating your thoughts.💯
Definitely Kyrie fault but Kevin Durant made a bad move by following Kyrie to Brooklyn. Both our talented but neither one is a leader and both are weirdos and bozos.🤡
kyrie brought kd to Brooklyn and refused vaccination. definitely his fault for sure
Lol
Nets should have kept Jarrett Allen, Caris Levert, and Dinwiddie
They had the team there
"Kyrie Irving is a number 3 😁, he is Alfred Pennyworth" that was the best take from joy (ever) 👌
But Alfred is beloved and well respected lol
Bro, Joy is smoking. Kyrie is a 1 at worst #2
@@mike12345807 he aint no 1 , he def a 2 , we seen him as a 1 and he folded
It's the nets fault for caving to kyrie when they kept him from playing they enabled him to have all this "power" again and thus be able to cause dysfunction for KD and his teammates
Who knew joy was so disrespectful to kyrie smh Shawdi said he’s not even a #2 that’s just hate tbh
Did you even listen to what Joy said?
She explained it numerous times that Kyrie is a #3 because he is so unreliable and always absent. She's speaking facts, how is that hating? Lol
Yall through that "hate" word around so loosely nowadays smh
@@MakuArein did you listen...she traced it back to Cleavland and there by completely invalidated her argument. Anyone who said Kyrie is not at least a Robin is an idiot or a hater by any measurement.
@@martelljhixson he needs to be on the court to be a Robin. Batman fighting out their without help
@@MakuArein that’s a good explanation to say that about a guy that was a number 2 and won a ring as a number 2? Injuries happen it’s the nba and somehow now it’s not acceptable to put your religious beliefs over your job. She’s speaking only half of the truth not facts so it’s hate
I really liked Joy's take. She's very intelligent and full of knowledge.... with that said, that simple all black outfit and white trim looks good on her! She is looking amazing!
@Slimeballllll yes but he was not Robin in Brooklyn and that was the point
Her takes are always emotionally driven or she’s just riding a narrative that others created
@@MBoykin1982 he was Batman until kd got healthy & he & harden was more like robin & nightwing, no clear number two
@Slimeballllll my dude you can't be Robin if you not there. You talking about one series. Not the season
I don't understand how she always gets away with the low cut top tho
How do they know what KD is or isn’t doing or saying ?
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Here’s a thought…
When the team doesn’t have a strong voice of leadership, that’s when a coach is supposed to step up and guide their players into the positions to succeed.
These “super teams” don’t have a strong coach bc the ego of the players.
Edit: it took them 11:53 until joy brought up their identity and coaching < lack of coaching
hey kyrie said that he and kd were gonna be coaches when they hired nash, so that's on them as well, but i do agree.
NBA is a Superstar League.. Even Pop & PJax can't flex Power over Duncan nor Kobe.. Leadership comes from the PLayer themselves.. Superstar sells Stadium Tickets & Merchs.. What authority anyone can reign on your Moneymaker.. ???
@@tigacainta Kobe and Tim never tried to undermine their coaches. Those superstars you mentioned plus many others were superstars who were also coachable players. They don’t need to be coached to be superstars, or to be great, but the great teams need coaches too for this very reason. They should provide the balance.
I’m not trying to be argumentative. Just how I see it. And no coach can with without their players. It’s a balance.
@@snikab Yeah Steve Kerr understands that balance and credits players when they sacrifice. Like asking Curry and Iggy to come off the bench
It's wild that Kenny Atkinson won a ring before they did lol
It’s wild I didn’t know Kyrie was having his own practice undermining Steve nash wow
Nash shouldn't of even got that job
@@giovannicarter3076 and why is that?
Those practices took place when he was allowed back and could only play road games. He needed help getting up to speed. He said it himself. He would ask some of the guys if they could help him get his rhythm.
@@jsmith1214 because there were more qualified coaches
@@DM-rh4ev people didnt make problem when. Kidd was first hired or Fisher or Brad, or Kerr, or many many others.
Joy looking absolutely fireeee 🔥🔥🔥🔥 and knows DC references my lord....
6:07 "Alfred!" That had me dying. 🤣
I wish all these talking heads would come to the realization that talent does not equal leadership. Just cause your the most talented doesn't mean you should lead or want to. KD is actually the best robin in history. He himself stated when he went to GS he just wanted to hoop without the pressure of leading because it wasn't fun. Get KD an actual leader in the locker room that won't take the spotlight or care about it (like a billups or Manu) and you will see the nets compete for championships.
I don't think KD is an alpha, he is one of the greatest players ever, but not an alpha. This is on Kyrie. But it is something they can get pass. Play another year, show up, when a Championship, then get your max deal.
Don’t say that ... mama Wanda will be mad at you !! 🤷🏻♀️ ask SAS 😳
Kyrie is not an "alpha" he's a terrible leader. What alpha acts like kyrie does? Just cause kyrie does whatever he wants and acts selfishly doesn't mean he's alpha
Kyrie needs someone like lebron to lead him. Durant doesn't need anyone like that he's a consistent killer and knows what he needs to do to be successful he just isn't a good leader
KD- Kyrie situation kinda reminds me of Tom Brady and AB. For the longest time Brady wld tell Bucs to keep AB coz he needed him ( alledgedly). But i think everyone has a breaking point. Even KD has breaking point. I think he will finally and hope cut ties with Kyrie.
I understand where you’re coming from but I think you’re absolutely wrong Bill deBlasio caused this when he made those illegal mandates for people to get the shots in New York 🤷🏾♂️
Rick might have won this debate had he asked one simple question: Who do you all believe IS the leader of the team, KD or Kyrie? Because I believe the HONEST answer to that question is Kyrie. And THAT would mean that KD (who should be the *definitive* leader of the Nets) has FAILED.
Great point 💯☝🏾
KD has been enabler for Kyrie's behavior, so he does bear responsibility with Kyrie for the mess in Brooklyn.
I love these 4 together even when I disagree they funny and give takes that are not extreme or clickbait just how normal people would think💯🤔😆
Joy you are right Kyrie was a 3 on the cavs
Kyrie get paid to play ball not to get vaccinated lol
KD deserves no blame! Stop trashing him. Dude gives 100% every time he plays. Blames Nets management for not putting Kyrie in his place.
Hey that is Joy! She is the smartest female talking head in sports!
Joy almost lost me saying Kyrie was a 3 lmao but she came with the quick recovery 💯
I think this and the show with Broussard and Nick Wright, are the two best shows.
Am I the only one who fast forwards when Joy talks
It doesn’t make sense how fine joy is
on momma's, she stay looking fire
I think the Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irvin situation with the Nets offers yet another cautionary tale for young people starting out in life, whatever field they get into.
And that is: Don't chase friendship in business!
In other words: it's probably almost always a bad idea to go into business with a close friend. Why?
Because of the tendency to think that Friendship Conquers All!
You will think: my friend will do right by me in this business of ours!
Your friend will think: my friend won't do me dirty in this business of ours!
The two of you are likely to have very different ideas about what that means.
And when the business fails, the friendship could be irrevocably damaged because each friend feels Personally betrayed by the other; and they blame each; but you two were never on the same page about business to start with.
Acho nailed it! Can't be both absent and a distraction!
Bruh no matter what kd says it is on kyrie to make his own choices. He is a grown man who has been in the league for 10 years. He can make his own choices like he has his entire career. Kd won't change that
The answer for this question is yes
These 4 individuals are actually great together, everyone has a different perspective even though the main argument is the same
Professor Joy Taylor, the class is in session. Kyrie Irving is Alfred 😁😆😂🤣
Harden would have stayed but he signed on to play with KD and Kyrie, kyrie didn't get vaccine so missed most of the season, Kd got hurt so Harden signed on to be 3rd man and now he got to run the show by himself? I see why they falling apart
Batman instructs Robin. Always has. What batman was this dude watching?
When he said batman and Robin shooting villains that just had me wondering what episode was this .
Must of only aired in Cali 😆
Joy is goated for that Batman Robin and Alfred analogy 🙌
Is this a question? Kyrie is easily to blame for this dysfunction. I mean he’s also the reason James harden wanted out
No he’s not, he’s not even remotely why, James never wanted to be there.
@@Wavy_Godd96 yes he is
@@juyahmad he’s not, harden was trying to get to Philly, he even admitted so. Thanks to his former GM being there. He was looking for his pay check. And the proof is the contract he’s trying to get now.
@@Wavy_Godd96 bruh the only reason he said he was trying to get to Philly was because he was in front of everyone at the sixers press conference. He had a chance to go to Philly and chose the nets, he even talked to KD and kyrie about joining the nets and he said at his nets press conference that he wanted to be there. You can’t be that gullible, if the sixers were his first option, he had a chance to go there when he was in Houston
@@juyahmad They weren’t trying to trade him to Philly goofy mf, that’s the point the main GM of the rockets knew that and didn’t want to trade him there. Hence he had no choice but to goto Brooklyn and from there he forced a trade and got what he wanted. Where’s harden now tryna to get his max deal from whom not Brooklyn, but Philly. The dude made it clear especially that month he was out parting with lil baby and meek mill.
JT is MAGICAL. Kyrie is a wishy washy dude, KD is emotional....you can't win with either running a team.
When has KD ever been a problem on the court?
Didn’t Alfed raise Batman? His importance is misguided. Ijs
Acho slid that last part in… lol 😂 curry got a team of do boys 😆
Ayyyyooo she called that man Alfred 😆 🤣 😂
Can we have more of these 4 please, they all work together so well.
Did anyone else get uncomfortable when he touched her arm while saying the glasses made her more convincing? Then he put his arm/hand down right next to her and she moved away immediately. Her facial expression was that she was exremely uncomfortable with the situation. Start at 5:02
She looked uncomfortable 🥴 lol
The Keep Joy on the show button
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I'm sorry Joy but you can't call someone who has already done it as a 2nd option a 3rd option that's just ignorant.
Its hate because only hate can have intelligent people saying completely idiotic things like "kyrie cant be a number two on a championship team" when he already was a number two on a championship team.
Still better than Molly
😂😂😂A 3 calling Kyrie a 3!!! They 😡 Kyrie didn't take an experimental drug that you have to sign a waiver to protect the manufacturer. Sounds like Kyrie makes his own decisions and Shady does what Brady says.....🙃🤫
Love the flavor and it’s always a joy to hear joy talk sports with sense
I'll choose Alfred over 20 Kyries. Way more reliable.
it's obvious it's Irving's fault
Joy Taylor can be my teacher any day any time any place
It's amazing how yall think they never had the conversation and try to work things out.
It was just Ric tho. But yeah that was a ridiculous take.
Came to look at joy Taylor😍😍
Why is she talking?
All I got out of this Is they are both to blame good points
KD is not a leader and never was in the Warriors it was Curry and in KC it was Westbrook
Joy Taylor 😋😋😋
Kyrie as Alfred 😂
The league, cable network shows (like this one), advertisers and shoe companies decide who the "face of the league" is.
Kyrie’s at fault lmfao why’s that so hard to believe? Kyrie was gonna do Kyrie no matter who told him to stand up straight. I love KD, my fav player of all time: I said it when he first signed with BKYN: He was never going to win a championship there. I said it when Kyrie started missing games: KD’s out, no way he’s staying. Go to Denver my guy, win a few with Jokic.
loool never gonna happen.
This Batman and Robin thing is getting out of hand. Superstars are all batman. Robins are all-stars or players that can't reach a certain level of play in big games. I thought Kyrie dropped almost 40 game 1 of the Boston series. KD struggled and they lost game 1. That was the series. Kyrie deferred to Kd after that and it didn't work. Lebron recognized that Kyrie can get it done if u let him loose. They still will be the the favorites if he gets resigned
If its LBJs fault that Westbrook is being Westbrook then its Durants fault for Kyrie being Kyrie🤷♂️.its literally no different
KD is a basketball player.. and even as a proven #1 on almost any team.. he is not a babysitter.. to blame KD for Kyrie bs is bs… period
Right
KD let Kyrie be Kyrie and it backfired on him
KD isn't responsible for who Kyrie is, but he had to know that Kyrie is not a reliable team member. Flashes of good play breeds inconsistency. How can you win with that?
Acho is the man!
KD is not a true leader . He makes peace with Irving at expense of his team . Also he is pruned to injuries. I have no problem of letting him go and rebuild the Brooklyn team . KD is good but not super good
Slick Rick came in with the haymakers! 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Kd my guy but he is to blame. I agree with Ric
KD should have fought to keep Harden on the roster. Then this would be a non issue.
Marcellus I have a question for you? How's the nets dynasty going?
im not a KD fan in the slightest, but even asking this question is insulting to the man.
Kyrie is an obnoxious human being, and CLEARLY the one responsible for this historical fiasco of a team
Did you like him in OKC
@@brogaming950 I was not watching nba during his OKC years so i dont have an opinion 🤷🏻♀️
I disagree with Acho Kyrie said that they should start their own league aside from nba
Its the organization, 1st ya didn't get the best coach available to win a Chip, 2nd Kyrie told you I'm not getting a needle 💉, I'll play on the road, "oh we not going to have a part time player, oh Kyrie can you come back to play road games🤦🏾♂️" 1bad decision, 2 bad decision on executive level now the floor level got out coached & harden- Simmons situation
She said Kyrie is a number 3!
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But Joy you just carried Alfred because Alfred was very reliable with Batman's crime fighting efforts!
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Kyrie before Lebron: 0 playoff games
Kyrie since leaving Lebron:
17-18: Injured before playoffs, team makes ECF without him.
18-19: Historically bad series vs Milwaukee, shoots 33% FG and 19% 3PT, loses round two, leaves team.
19-20: Plays 20 games with losing record, doesn’t play in playoffs for Nets who made it despite him playing 20 games.
20-21: Gets injured in playoffs, loses round two. Losing record without Harden all year.
21-22: Plays 20 games with losing record, gets swept first round and averages 15.3 PPG on 37% FG in the last 3/4 games.
He would be Walmart Tracy McGrady without Lebron, Harden, and Durant
Lebron before D.Wade and Chris Bosh nothing left them and before Kyrie Shot was going to loooooooose
@@elliottwilson2352 Lebron won the 07 ecf finals before going to the heat, so he had hardware.
@@sontho6995 lol he didn’t win anything who cares about that
@@elliottwilson2352 Winning the east is definitely winning something, especially since they just decided to give a finals mvp for conference finals.
That's disrespectful to T Mac.
T Mac never just left his team
It’s not Kevin Durant’s fault, because this is not who Kevin Durant is. He is not a Tom Brady or a LeBron James. I’m talking about leadership qualities, not talent.
And as Joyce says, the bulk of this falls on Kyrie because he is the one doing the actions. He is the one that keeps dropping off the court for various reasons.
Best debate sports show out
What Puzzles me is all of a sudden nobody likes KD but when he was in OKC everybody were the biggest KD fan,I never heard anyone say they didn’t like KD.
There's always been hate for KD specially after joining a 73 win team but it's easier to hate someone when they're down.
As a casual fan, why is Kevin worried ? If you're the man, you're the man! Quit crying and show yourself!!!
There’s a lot o assuming on this subject about KD. How do we know KD didn’t drW the line and say “he brother, we are trying to win a championship. We can’t do it without you I as the leader and the rest of this team needs you or go home and stay out of our way and don’t be a distraction”. Then Kyrie replies, “sorry bro, but I don’t trust this vaccination process and I value my health, so I am NOT getting vaccinated”. Therefore, if this happened KD has zero power to make another grown man do what he wants him to do period! So STOP IT🛑
Correct, these narratives be killing me
They called that man Alfred😂
Sooooo nobody is going to blame the HC Steve Nash??? Which is the head Leader of the Nets
For a 7ft Monster KD been letting Kyrie stand over him. Everything Kyrie has convinced KD to do is in Kyrie's best interest. NOT KD's.
Nothing has happened with Kyrie or KD. Everyone is creating their own story get those clicks. This is what pro athletes do when negotiating a new deal.
John Taylor kyrie never said he didn't want to play. The team said he could not olay because he wasn't vaccinated. Or the dirty said it whoever. But all the visitors and fans can come and play and not be vaxxed.... that doesn't even sound round and I'm glad kyrie stood on his.
Joy looking good with them glasses
This was a GREAT segment
Joy got it right 3rd
Yo, Kyrie ain't no Alfred!
Put some respect on Alfred man.
The funniest part about kyrie is how much say he wants to have in the team when he doesn't even put the team as his priority
Joy is so fine! and yeah, it's on Kyrie. Man up dude, play or kick rocks. Point blank.