I met a fellow in Montana who had worked in Oregon directly after ww ll he told me they could go thru a 40" log in 20 minutes, he was probably the only guy l ever met who had worked as a hand logger. I have a modest collection of crosscut saws which started with a felling saw l pulled out of farm junk pile & my dad filed up.( cut pretty well. )
Hey guys, let me fill you in on a tip….theres a company out of germany that is making this new fangled machine…supposed to cut the work of two men down to seconds….i think they are calling it a Chain-saw….its gotmone of them gas powered motors on it….
without question there is a lot more to filing a crosscut vs carpenters saw.I appreciate your talent this will become a lost art but for efforts of people like yourself.I see these saws commonly at auctions are these saws still used in the woods it would seem the chainsaw has taken over
These saws are in fact still in use. When doing forestry service in a conservation area, especially bird protection areas, the are much more common as a chain saw is much to loud and can scare the birds off, as well as other smaller woodland creatures. When they are used depends on the area and if less noise is mandated by law.
In commercial wood processing, You'll certainly find those saws very seldom, power tools have made woodwork faster and more efficient. But that doesn't mean those saws are not in use anymore, You just don't hear them... ;) If You don't have to process a big amount of firewood (or a specified amount of it in a specified time) a well maintained crosscut saw is a powerful tool, it even offers some advantages: 1. it NEVER runs out of fuel 2. it NEVER doesn't start because of any technical problem (carburator, ignition, ...) 3. You can process some firewood even in the quiet residential area on Sunday morning. 4. a quick resharpening of the cutter teeth (using a small rectangular stone of about 500 grit) is done in 2 minutes. Since about one Year I own a few one man and two man saws (in different sizes and tooth patterns. Some are already restored, some are still waiting) and the more I use them (the more I getting better maintaining thm) the more I love them (*). Using and maintaining them is kind of meditation and kind of workout for me. When I go bushcrafting I often prefer a not too big crosscut saw even over the handyer folding saw. Even if I choose a big one, it's anyway less weight to carry than a small chainsaw (plus the double- tank for fuel and chain oil). (* most of saws I've restored have even become names during the process: Grace, Doro, Bella, Rosi are my saws. Vanessa, Luzi and Foxy even kept their names, when I handed them to their new owner.) Or in short: Crosscut saws are just cool! It's not about speed, it's about craftsmanship and passion.
Luckily I got this video before I've destroyed my saw , but all I have from proper tools is just a file, getting all those other tools in my country is close to science fiction, what shall I do,we'll see
What is the tolerance between the finished swaged raker and the finished filed cutter teeth? Also what should the tolerance be between the cutter teeth and the raker teeth before the rakers are swaged? I have a one-man old crosscut bucking saw and I can't find any information n the tolerances needed. Also is there any difference in the tolerance measurements between a bucking and a felling saw or are the tolerances the same? I'm going to use it to cut down some dead trees and cut them up. The dead tree trunks are a mixture of wet rot, dry rot and hard dry wood. What tolerances should I use for the saw that is best for cutting this kind of wood? I asked other people who put up videos about filing old saws and nobody seems to answer any questions about these saws. Why is that?
Come back when you can handle a two-man crosscut saw and have passed your physics exams and when you have the brains to look up the definition of words in a dictionary
Indrekk Pringi I am also concerned about this ..... I havea question if you put a spider on a flat surface.whatwould be the gap on the 4th leg I can'tbuyone so I gotta build one thanks
Luc Fournier the crosscut saw spider gauges’ gaps depend on the saw and what type of wood you were going to cut with it. Old-school crescent ground saws of the outfitter on the spine and they are at the teeth require less set in the teeth because you don’t have to make as big of a gap for the spine of the sod to pass through. Almost all wood will swell a bit after it’s cut, reducing the width of the cut or “kerf“
Sorry - I hit submit before I finished. Softwoods like pines and spruces, especially when live / wet, will swell more than most hardwoods, though those will also swell during “live” cutting. The only way to know exactly how much set your teeth need (thus the size of the gap on your spider gauge) is to set them to some consistent measurement, like .010, then go test them on different types of wood - hard, soft, live, dead, etc. if they are producing good noodle wood chips, but the saw is getting stuck (“bound”) in the cut (kerf), you need more set in your teeth to create a wider kerf for the saw to travel through. Set them a little further, test again, figure out what works. Once you know what works, set your spider gauge to that depth with a feeler gauge between the fourth spider gauge foot and a consistently flat surface. You can grind down the spider’s feet on a stone. You can also find spider gauges for sale on eBay all the time. Get the crosscut sawyers manual - it answers many questions.
I'm Loving this series! Thanks so much. I'm re-watching them all.
I met a fellow in Montana who had worked in Oregon directly after ww ll he told me they could go thru a 40" log in 20 minutes, he was probably the only guy l ever met who had worked as a hand logger. I have a modest collection of crosscut saws which started with a felling saw l pulled out of farm junk pile & my dad filed up.( cut pretty well. )
I did not know that you could tell so much about the saw by looking at the shavings. Great video.
Best showing of the color run I've seen on RUclips so far. Nicely done. One question...
Why are the steps shown in reverse order in the video?
Yes it's very confusing
Such an interesting video and this man done an amazing job explaining every step..I'd like to watch him do more videos lol
Hey guys, let me fill you in on a tip….theres a company out of germany that is making this new fangled machine…supposed to cut the work of two men down to seconds….i think they are calling it a Chain-saw….its gotmone of them gas powered motors on it….
without question there is a lot more to filing a crosscut vs carpenters saw.I appreciate your talent this will become a lost art but for efforts of people like yourself.I see these saws commonly at auctions are these saws still used in the woods it would seem the chainsaw has taken over
These saws are in fact still in use. When doing forestry service in a conservation area, especially bird protection areas, the are much more common as a chain saw is much to loud and can scare the birds off, as well as other smaller woodland creatures.
When they are used depends on the area and if less noise is mandated by law.
In commercial wood processing, You'll certainly find those saws very seldom, power tools have made woodwork faster and more efficient. But that doesn't mean those saws are not in use anymore, You just don't hear them... ;)
If You don't have to process a big amount of firewood (or a specified amount of it in a specified time) a well maintained crosscut saw is a powerful tool, it even offers some advantages:
1. it NEVER runs out of fuel
2. it NEVER doesn't start because of any technical problem
(carburator, ignition, ...)
3. You can process some firewood even in the quiet residential area on Sunday morning.
4. a quick resharpening of the cutter teeth (using a small rectangular stone of about 500 grit) is done in 2 minutes.
Since about one Year I own a few one man and two man saws (in different sizes and tooth patterns. Some are already restored, some are still waiting) and the more I use them (the more I getting better maintaining thm) the more I love them (*). Using and maintaining them is kind of meditation and kind of workout for me. When I go bushcrafting I often prefer a not too big crosscut saw even over the handyer folding saw. Even if I choose a big one, it's anyway less weight to carry than a small chainsaw (plus the double- tank for fuel and chain oil).
(* most of saws I've restored have even become names during the process: Grace, Doro, Bella, Rosi are my saws. Vanessa, Luzi and Foxy even kept their names, when I handed them to their new owner.)
Or in short: Crosscut saws are just cool!
It's not about speed, it's about craftsmanship and passion.
Luckily I got this video before I've destroyed my saw , but all I have from proper tools is just a file, getting all those other tools in my country is close to science fiction, what shall I do,we'll see
What is the tolerance between the finished swaged raker and the finished filed cutter teeth? Also what should the tolerance be between the cutter teeth and the raker teeth before the rakers are swaged? I have a one-man old crosscut bucking saw and I can't find any information n the tolerances needed. Also is there any difference in the tolerance measurements between a bucking and a felling saw or are the tolerances the same? I'm going to use it to cut down some dead trees and cut them up. The dead tree trunks are a mixture of wet rot, dry rot and hard dry wood. What tolerances should I use for the saw that is best for cutting this kind of wood?
I asked other people who put up videos about filing old saws and nobody seems to answer any questions about these saws. Why is that?
OK.
Come back when you can handle a two-man crosscut saw and have passed your physics exams and when you have the brains to look up the definition of words in a dictionary
Indrekk Pringi I am also concerned about this ..... I havea question if you put a spider on a flat surface.whatwould be the gap on the 4th leg I can'tbuyone so I gotta build one thanks
Luc Fournier the crosscut saw spider gauges’ gaps depend on the saw and what type of wood you were going to cut with it. Old-school crescent ground saws of the outfitter on the spine and they are at the teeth require less set in the teeth because you don’t have to make as big of a gap for the spine of the sod to pass through. Almost all wood will swell a bit after it’s cut, reducing the width of the cut or “kerf“
Sorry - I hit submit before I finished. Softwoods like pines and spruces, especially when live / wet, will swell more than most hardwoods, though those will also swell during “live” cutting. The only way to know exactly how much set your teeth need (thus the size of the gap on your spider gauge) is to set them to some consistent measurement, like .010, then go test them on different types of wood - hard, soft, live, dead, etc. if they are producing good noodle wood chips, but the saw is getting stuck (“bound”) in the cut (kerf), you need more set in your teeth to create a wider kerf for the saw to travel through. Set them a little further, test again, figure out what works. Once you know what works, set your spider gauge to that depth with a feeler gauge between the fourth spider gauge foot and a consistently flat surface. You can grind down the spider’s feet on a stone. You can also find spider gauges for sale on eBay all the time. Get the crosscut sawyers manual - it answers many questions.