Last FM's in Mexico
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- In May, 1988 I went on a railfan tour in Mexico which featured the last operating FM diesels, both were H16-44's. First, at La Junta on the former Chihuahua Pacific, we saw the CH-P 602 painted in the FNM paint scheme, which was the shop "pet" engine. They took us to the edge of town and did a photo runby with it. Earlier in the trip, we were the last train to travel the length of the Bosques de Chihuahua logging railroad before it shut down for good. We visited the facilities at Mesa del Hurrican before heading back to Cumbre where the interchange with the CH-P was located. Apologies for the quality of this video, it's from a copy tape given to me by a friend who was on the trip, as I didn't have a video camera at that point.
Fantastic VIDEO!
back in 1974 I saw a CNJ H1644 IN DOVER NJ.ON THE WHAT WAS OUNCE THE MINING BRANCH!IT WENT TOWARDS 84 LUMBER THEN CAME BACK BUT WITH NO CAR'S!AND ACCORDING TO THE RAILROAD JOURNAL I BELIEVE THEY WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN RETIRED BY THIS TIME!PERHAPS IT WAS THE LAST ACTIVE FM ON THE CNJ!
Hope the 2 in Mexico are still ACTIVE!
Tom Ok They're not. The 602 is stuffed and mounted in a museum, both of the BdeC units were scrapped.
fmnut
Well at LEAST 602 wasn't scrapped!Would be nice if some railfan club can restore it!Maybe bring it to America!
Tom Ok Don't get your hopes up. It took intervention by the US Government to get the PA's back, and they were originally US owned units and were only truckless hulks. The 602 was built for Mexico (CHP) and is considered a historic artifact. A group did try to buy one of the BdeC units knowing they were going to be scrapped and even though the owners wanted to sell the deal was nixed by the Mexican politicos.
fmnut Oh WELL!
Understood! Thank YOU!
Great video, fmnut, thanks for posting it. And I finally looked up opposed piston engines and it's pretty interesting how they work. In my mind I had always had a mental picture of a "boxer" engine like on a Subaru, but now I understand that the FM engines were vertically oriented with the two pistons traveling towards each other inside the cylinder to create compression. Very cool.
👍 Outstanding video.....thanks for sharing
The 602 seen in the video is at the National Rail Museum in Puebla, Mexico. We saw another in 1988 at Nuevo Casas Grandes lettered as SCOP 501 (for a film about the construction of the CH-P). It is now plinthed by the station there. It is the former CH-P 525, I have the builders plate off it. Those are the only 2 FM survivors in Mexico, neither one is in running shape. The Bosques units were scrapped sometime in the mid 90's.
I've never seen an opposed piston engine smoke that much. Love the sound of those machines. Thanks for the rare video.
Do a youtube search on 3te10. The Russian OP's smoke worse!!!
+fmnut ; just like the Alcos at its best days... :)
+fmnut Yeah, but what grade/quality of fuel do the Russians put in theirs?
+b3j8 ; just usual diesel fuel. But you have to divide the smoke into two main sources:
Blue smoke comes from burnt lubrication oil that passes worn piston rings in the upper cylinder bank; thats also the reason why you can see some blue smoke at the rails level blown out through the crankcase ventilation tubes at some russian TE10´s.
Black smoke is produced if the railway workshop employees try to generate more power from the engines when they simply adjust the diesel injection amount limitation to a too high level.
Some Alcos and GE´s too show a smoke screen when the operator shifts to the higher notches faster than the turbocharger follows, a good example had been the Alco RSD24.
+Petz Okay. I had read somewhere that they often put whatever cheap fuel oil into their diesels that would burn.
Awesome video! I was on that Bosques de Chihuahua trip. Tough to remember all of it, 30 years later though.
There are two H-16-44s in Mexico. One being in front of a BdeC depot and I'm not sure about the other.
Excellent, and thanks for sharing!!
Am I mistaken or isn't there also a CH-P FM that was used as part of a memorial around Temoris? Perhaps it was CH-P 524?
Yes, that's correct, it's just a shell. No trucks or innards. The 524. I stood on the front walkway of it.
@@fmnut Would you happen to know if it is still there? Would love to try to check it out if I can make it on the Chepe sometime in the near future.
@@rutaloot I'm pretty sure that it's still there.
Amazing how it sounds like an EMD only throatier. Both are two strokes. In Muskegon Mich, the WW2 sub USS Silversides is powered by an FM Op. The USCG Ice Breaker Mackinac has 6 2400 HP FM Op engines. From my understanding the British put a small Op Deltec in a highway truck. The Deltecs are out of service, but are in a museum and are ran once in a while. Check this railroad that's runninh H 10 &^H 12 44.ruclips.net/video/jI2j3X1lfbY/видео.html
WooooW!!! Awesome!!1
Is this engine still around, operational?
+TheShive The CHP 602 is now in the Mexican rail museum, I believe it is not operational. Both of the Bosques units, the 501 and 1000, were moved to the Bosques mill in Madera after the forest railway closed. An attempt was made to save one of them and repatriate it to the US, but fell through. At last report, both were cut up for scrap sometime in the mid 1990's. There is also another H16 stuffed and mounted in Nueva Casas Grandes.
+fmnut , a Pentrex video from ~ 1990 shows one of the CHP - units painted in blue NdM - livery in non operable but movable condition in their railway shops.
+Petz Yes, that's the 602 that went to the museum. Earlier in the video at Nuevo Casas Grandes you can see the 525 which is the one now plinthed near the station. It was non-operational at the time of our visit in 1987. I have one of the builders plates off of that one.
+fmnut , I´m a bit sad that based at it´s unique character the loco had not been repaired anymore for using at historic trains cause as far as i know parts for FM - diesels would be available and the older mexican mechs surely are improvisation artists too. Think at the former D&H - Alco the FCP - guys resetted to operable conditions too.
The Pentrex video also shows a FM - carbody mounted besides one portal of the highest tunnel too:
www.trenecitos.com.mx/CGI-BIN/IM/HCHP/25%20Aniversario.JPG
+Petz The PA's that were restored at Empalme and the FT set at Benjamin Hill were done by the local shop forces as "pet" projects. Unfortunately most of the small shops that had the esprit de corps to do this kind of work were closed after privatization of the Mexican Railways. As to restoring a loco for historic trains, they don't do that kind of thing in Mexico. In fact, most of their regular passenger service disappeared with privatization also.
Oooo perronas que estan esas Locomotoraa
Bosques de Chihuahua, S de RL de CV. Fairbanks Morse H16-44
@@fmnut Thanks you Bro por el Dato