Spoilers for Wind and Truth! . . . . . . . . . . . Hoid turning around like “oh hey Taravangia-“ and getting immediately vaporized is one of the funniest things that has happened in the entire Cosmere
Spoilers for Wind and Truth! Not me SCREAMING the whole scene of Kaladin becoming a herald, MY BOY HAS COME SO FAR BY THE FATHERSTORMS NAME OHH MY GOD IM GRYING AGAIN
My only real complaint for wind and truth was Jasnah story line. I’m not sure what else could have been done with her but she’s one of my favorite characters and I was hoping she would be more involved. I understand she will be in later books but that’s a long time from now 🤷♂️
Spoilers for wind and truth: The ending of this book may have been Brandon Sanderson’s best work this book ending perfectly balances the ending of an arc, but the expanding of the world. I think this book perfectly shows us at the scale of this story is going to be something never before seen. I also like how odium seemed unbeatable throughout the whole story and and Brandon doesn’t give us the illusion that this is someone who can be defeated in 10 days most authors would have had the characters pull something out of their a** And win in the end, when someone who battled for thousands of years never won
Spoilers for Wind and Truth: Moash was turned into something like an inquisitor or at least something that imitates the way inquisitor see, the main difference is that the spikes are made of crystal rather than metal so not really Hemalurgy from what I can tell.
I would say its 'essentially' the same as hemalurgy, or at least that's what I expect to find out in coming books, and that each form of investiture will have its own form of hemalurgy.
Correct. Hemalurgy is basically blood magic and it's unclear if that's involved here. The ability to infuse crystal via light may remove the need to pound metals through an invested person to steal their power, but it's unclear to me if that's the case here. Simply placing the infused crystals through the eyes giving "the sight" makes sense without the bloody hemalurgy aspect.
It's been confirmed Hemalurgy works Cosmere wide as long as you know the bind points. They use metal on Scadrail because that is where the investiture is. On Roshar it's mostly contained in gemstones so they used gemstones in Moash's eyes. His eyesight (Investiture sight) is probably "powered" by the voidlight/warlight contained in the gemstones and probably a spren that's trapped in them (if there is one). So it might be a cross between Hemalurgy and fabrial science.
I think that we need to take into consideration the fact that there are 5 more books. Adolin’s storyline bodes very interesting for the next arc. I also like the way they tie in Adolin’s teaching Yanagawn to play Forts with Dalinar’s ultimate gambit. Also, Rsyn’s interlude is much more interesting based on Sigzil’s story. Moash does become inquisitor-like. Inquisitors are created with metal spikes, Moash with crystals. So similar type of magic.
@@battlestarkoala yup! I’d heard some people regret reading sunlit man before wind and truth so I wanted to go ahead and wait to read it afterwards. But I’m excited to read it
Heeeeck yes!! I just finished it today as well and thought it was phenomenal. SO many unexpected twists and turns, and the revelations were just insane. One of the moments that made me laugh the hardest was Adolin being an absolute goof while proudly gallivanting around in Shadesmar on his floating horse Gallant 🤣 I loved all the stuff with the spiritual realm, and the 'ticking clock' element had me in a chokehold. Definitely didn't see the outcome of the contest of champions coming, but I respect it so much. Can't wait to see what the 2nd arc is gonna contain, because things are not gonna be the same and I am ready for the chaos!! My only nitpick was that some of the character arcs/mentalh health conversations lacked some subtletly, and therapist Kaladin just made me roll my eyes a bit too much with his 'profound' insights lol. But the emotional pay-off of his journey was SO GOOD. Glad we both loved this!
If Brandon doesn’t continue some of these characters, I’m gonna be highly disappointed. And I don’t wanna see them in flashbacks either. I don’t know how big of a time jump there’s going to be, but if it’s as big as I think it is, I don’t know how he could end this the way he did. Plus, he has always had Easter eggs showing that this was a huge universe with a lot of his other books but now I feel like we crossed a point where he has to have a series combining all of these characters from all of these different novels into some other big epic. I don’t think his fans are going to let him not do that at some point. My prediction is that eventually a lot of of these characters from these books are going to take up the shards after they defeat all of these gods and become the new gods of the universe.
WIND AND TRUTH SPOILERS I think the Stormlight/Roshar time jump will only be about 10 years (as long as Thaidakar said it would take for the time dilation to settle). But because of the time bubble they are in, the rest of the Cosmere will advance more than those 10 years in that time. So we may be to the final Mistborn era by then.
Sig was Hoid's apprentice. Also - read Sunlit Man. Sounds like maybe you skipped that one. But the apprentice thing was made clear in SA alone as well. You just get a little more info in Sunlit.
Spoilers for Wind and Truth Oh wow, you mentioning that Adolin's storyline fell flat is crazy to me since it was one of my favorites. I love his journey of finding his own identity, understanding his privilege and recognizing he would also be an amazing leader. I also really liked the payoff of his scenes teaching Yamagawn, both in that battle and with Dalinar's storyline. Finally, I loved his view on the oaths, since it's really aligned with Dalinar realizing that upholding oaths doesn't necessarily represent honor. Overall his development was so strong and central to understanding the other storylines!
If Brandon doesn’t continue some of these characters, I’m gonna be highly disappointed. And I don’t wanna see them in flashbacks either. I don’t know how big of a time jump there’s going to be, but if it’s as big as I think it is, I don’t know how he could end this the way he did. Plus, he has always had Easter eggs showing that this was a huge universe with a lot of his other books but now I feel like we crossed a point where he has to have a series combining all of these characters from all of these different novels into some other big epic. I don’t think his fans are going to let him not do that at some point.
Hes said before that the time skip will be about 15yr. Now, spoilers the end of the book with the time dilation stuff could throw a wrench into things, but I assume it's 15yr Roshar time, meaning Stormlight Era 2 will take place after Era 3 of Mistborn and the Elantris Sequels that are being written over the next few years.
@ do you think he’s going to use the second half of the storm light archives to bring all these worlds together finally or he’ll do that down the line?
And the people, I didn't understand that part quite well. Tanavast says he sees people there watching him. But if he destroyed natanatan, thoose people were living underground inside the fallen moon? Or it is just referring to the survivors of the ancient natanatan? I didn't quite get that part. Either way probably the moon is the crem now Sorry for my bad english
WARNING: Major spoilers for Wind and Truth: Sigzil is a) a former protege of Hoid b) a person who is fine travelling and cutting ties and c) incredibly trustworthy. He was the perfect guy for Hoid to give the Dawnshard to.
Spoilers for wind and truth I think your take on Adolin having some of the weakest chapters is so wrong. His whole big brother dynamic and coming to terms with who he is in the world of the radiants on top of being a big brother to the emperor is peak. And on top of that trying to come to terms with the fact that he doesn’t need to live up to a unrealistic expectation of his father is also great
@@Jaspee17 a lot of people have been saying that! Next time I read it, I’m gonna keep in mind what everyone has said about him and I’ll probably like them a lot more!
I've just finished the book and am left with an odd mix of satisfaction and disappointment. The lessons seems to be that everybody is just a person, including our heroes and our villains and the author Brandon Sanderson himself. Understanding the villains as just people takes away from their scary villain character and it does feel that some characters who were built up to be scary villains fell short in this book. And there was a character who could have been a great villain reveal but it turns out I was wrong about that. We've had 4 years of theory crafting which has been fun but I've noticed that the longer the break time went on the crazier and more elaborate the theories got. I might have enjoyed the book more if I had gone in straight from RoW. Oh well, I still enjoyed the ride and it is unfair to have too high expectations of the author / any one book. Too high expectations ruin your experience. Also I need to say something about it: There are a couple of scenes that trigger me because they feel like they are not necessary for the plot but only there to appeal to the Woke Zeitgeist. I love the intricate world building and the story overall but did you really need a transgender soldier? Did you really need a conversation about how it feels to be neither male nor female? There is a gay love story and I didn't mind it too much because it takes its time to explore it without being too in your face. But the other stuff was just not meaningful in any way to the story.
Agree - as a gay man I think he just threw in the T thing as a throwaway appeal to the ultra liberal group. And some of the jokes and writing overall was poor. Days 1 and 2 were terrible
This! I’m worried about future books with the woke stuff. It’s a Total immersion breaker for me. I think it will only get worse in future books too. This is the first time I’ve read a Sanderson book and come away with a bad taste in my mouth
@@Rhedakthe use of cursing too was so weird and out of place. Like do we really need our real worth curse words in FANTASY? And don’t get me started on the sex scene - that was so oddly writtbec
@@BookishDrummer Not so much evidence, why I say possible, but if you look at chapter 147 Shallan is in shadesmar, Shallan cradles her belly and says that she has to survive, not just for herself. It can give 1 of 2 impressions, her really really missing Adolin or... and Brandon wrote in not the scenes, but I think those early book scenes hid a purpose.
Warning major spoilers for wind and truth- Maybe I am an awful person but I don’t understand how this outcome is the best. Dalinar should have killed Gav. Gav was already irreplaceably broken by 20 years of torture by odium. His single death cannot have been worth more than all that happened because of him renouncing his oaths.
The problem is the contest was only kicking the can down the road and not actually solving the problem, just perpetuating the cycle. There needed to be a major shift in the status quo, and Dalinar saw that, so he used the Sunmaker's gambit to actually get the other shards to participate. Him not wanting to kill Gavinor was just the way that he came to that realization
The other shards were perfectly happy to leave Odium to run rampant on Roshar because he was bound to the system. As long as he was, they would never care. I think when Dalinar held Honor he saw that if he killed Gav, he would still only be kicking the can down the road for people on Roshar in 1000 years to deal with, and the only way to unite the shards against Odium in order to achieve a permanent solution (UNITE THEM) was to lose this battle in a way that he thought he couldn’t be co-opted into Odium’s service, and would make Odium a clear and present danger for the rest of the Cosmere. One man with a weakened shard didn’t stand a chance, but if the rest of the shards are united in the fight against Retribution, there’s a chance to end his divine serial killing spree and possibly neutralize the threat of the Shard itself
I think 5 is being very generous - but I get it no one wants to anger the Sanderson fan hoard. Personally, I think it’s just a repeat of RoW in terms of certain storylines…. Ranking Oathbringer Words of Radiance The Way of Kings Rhythm of War Wind and Truth
Wind and Truth Spoilers I think Wit gave Sigzil the Dawnshard because Sigzil was one of his apprentices (this was alluded to in book 1). We don’t know exactly what that entails, but it is at least an apprentice in the art of telling stories. So he was probably his best option for someone he knew and trusted, without being too high profile as to be targeted for other reasons. It also helps that he was in Urithiru at the time. It’s not like Wit had the time to find a better candidate, as he got smote rather quickly.
@ to be clear it's a good book, but I don't expect "good" from Sanderson. After what he produced with WoK and WoR proves that this may end up being the best epic fantasy series ever written. After seeing how he finished WOT I also believe him to be a man who can finish projects strong. This book was both a departure from the greatness of early Stormlight books as well as a failure to deliver a satisfying finish. The early books did a great job of portraying the hell of war, the difficulty of political scheming, and the general human condition. W&T feels like a CW fan fiction written by a millennial who has been through a lot of therapy (and may very well be better for it). The problem is the delivery of the mental health themes. I thought it was awesome in the first book to hear a protagonist wrestling with their own weakness and struggles, but what started to become heavy-handed in application in Oathbringer became overt in RoW. Now with W&T it feels like the mental health messaging has supplanted the actual story. I couldn't read through a single progression of events without a character having to trauma dump in a very "tell not show" sort of way. In short, Sanderson is telling us about mental health now when his greatness came from showing us mental health messaging in the past. As far as a finish, I understand this is one arc, but damn... I felt way more satisfied after Mistborn's first arc finishing than this one. I feel cheated after being told for years that the contest with Odium was the only way. Even in the divine flashbacks in the 100s chapters, the divine figures all knew Odium had to be contained. Then, suddenly, we have *yet another* oath breaking that is in actually really smart because Wit points out it was clever and no one else saw it as a possibility. Sorry, that's weak. I'm seeing trends in Sanderson's work that are troubling, and I was really hoping this book would set me at ease. It didn't. 6 or 7 out of 10. Not horrible, not great, just disappointing.
Spoiler . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I guess we can’t call it the Stormlight Archives, anymore, 😂.this book is 5 or 5, as are all the book, it this one has been my least favorite.
This book didn't feel like an epic fantasy. Azimir plot was the only epic piece of the story. The other 4 plotlines were a dud. I liked Sezths plot, but it was a cheap imitation of the last airbender.
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Hoid turning around like “oh hey Taravangia-“ and getting immediately vaporized is one of the funniest things that has happened in the entire Cosmere
@@krssprc it was very unexpected haha
The mental image of this scene is burned into my brain forever.
Spoilers for WaT
When Kal returns to roshar in arc 2 it’s gonna hit like crack
@@Fireworm21 hahaha
I really want a member of Bridget four to just be completely unfazed while everyone else is freaking out
@@steps-on-legos9080 Lopen lol he’ll be very nonchalant about it haha
Spoilers for Wind and Truth!
Not me SCREAMING the whole scene of Kaladin becoming a herald, MY BOY HAS COME SO FAR BY THE FATHERSTORMS NAME OHH MY GOD IM GRYING AGAIN
@@nucausa hahahaha sooooo epic
My only real complaint for wind and truth was Jasnah story line. I’m not sure what else could have been done with her but she’s one of my favorite characters and I was hoping she would be more involved.
I understand she will be in later books but that’s a long time from now 🤷♂️
@@PixelatedEpiphany she’s my favorite and yeah I wish she was more involved as well!
Spoilers for wind and truth:
The ending of this book may have been Brandon Sanderson’s best work this book ending perfectly balances the ending of an arc, but the expanding of the world. I think this book perfectly shows us at the scale of this story is going to be something never before seen. I also like how odium seemed unbeatable throughout the whole story and and Brandon doesn’t give us the illusion that this is someone who can be defeated in 10 days most authors would have had the characters pull something out of their a** And win in the end, when someone who battled for thousands of years never won
@@WARVROOM55 totally agree!
Spoilers for Wind and Truth:
Moash was turned into something like an inquisitor or at least something that imitates the way inquisitor see, the main difference is that the spikes are made of crystal rather than metal so not really Hemalurgy from what I can tell.
@@johnbrule7152 could you please say spoilers in your comments so someone doesn’t accidentally read this!
@@johnbrule7152 thank you! And yeah that makes sense
I would say its 'essentially' the same as hemalurgy, or at least that's what I expect to find out in coming books, and that each form of investiture will have its own form of hemalurgy.
Correct. Hemalurgy is basically blood magic and it's unclear if that's involved here. The ability to infuse crystal via light may remove the need to pound metals through an invested person to steal their power, but it's unclear to me if that's the case here. Simply placing the infused crystals through the eyes giving "the sight" makes sense without the bloody hemalurgy aspect.
It's been confirmed Hemalurgy works Cosmere wide as long as you know the bind points. They use metal on Scadrail because that is where the investiture is. On Roshar it's mostly contained in gemstones so they used gemstones in Moash's eyes. His eyesight (Investiture sight) is probably "powered" by the voidlight/warlight contained in the gemstones and probably a spren that's trapped in them (if there is one). So it might be a cross between Hemalurgy and fabrial science.
I think that we need to take into consideration the fact that there are 5 more books. Adolin’s storyline bodes very interesting for the next arc. I also like the way they tie in Adolin’s teaching Yanagawn to play Forts with Dalinar’s ultimate gambit. Also, Rsyn’s interlude is much more interesting based on Sigzil’s story.
Moash does become inquisitor-like. Inquisitors are created with metal spikes, Moash with crystals. So similar type of magic.
@@charlestruppi7793 very true
You might need to read Sunlight Man .. as that will clarify a bit about some of the things you mentioned :D
@@battlestarkoala yup! I’d heard some people regret reading sunlit man before wind and truth so I wanted to go ahead and wait to read it afterwards. But I’m excited to read it
I am totally recommending reading Sunlit Man before WaT because it makes that part SO satisfying!
Heeeeck yes!! I just finished it today as well and thought it was phenomenal. SO many unexpected twists and turns, and the revelations were just insane.
One of the moments that made me laugh the hardest was Adolin being an absolute goof while proudly gallivanting around in Shadesmar on his floating horse Gallant 🤣
I loved all the stuff with the spiritual realm, and the 'ticking clock' element had me in a chokehold. Definitely didn't see the outcome of the contest of champions coming, but I respect it so much. Can't wait to see what the 2nd arc is gonna contain, because things are not gonna be the same and I am ready for the chaos!!
My only nitpick was that some of the character arcs/mentalh health conversations lacked some subtletly, and therapist Kaladin just made me roll my eyes a bit too much with his 'profound' insights lol. But the emotional pay-off of his journey was SO GOOD.
Glad we both loved this!
@@esmayrosalyne awesome!!!!
If Brandon doesn’t continue some of these characters, I’m gonna be highly disappointed. And I don’t wanna see them in flashbacks either. I don’t know how big of a time jump there’s going to be, but if it’s as big as I think it is, I don’t know how he could end this the way he did. Plus, he has always had Easter eggs showing that this was a huge universe with a lot of his other books but now I feel like we crossed a point where he has to have a series combining all of these characters from all of these different novels into some other big epic. I don’t think his fans are going to let him not do that at some point. My prediction is that eventually a lot of of these characters from these books are going to take up the shards after they defeat all of these gods and become the new gods of the universe.
@@dustinbridges6831 I guess we’ll see what happens 🤷♂️
WIND AND TRUTH SPOILERS
I think the Stormlight/Roshar time jump will only be about 10 years (as long as Thaidakar said it would take for the time dilation to settle). But because of the time bubble they are in, the rest of the Cosmere will advance more than those 10 years in that time. So we may be to the final Mistborn era by then.
@@JordanSedai 80 years is around when Era 3 will occur.
@@hoid1720which is only a decade on the current roshar. He said it would be 10 years presumably 10 Rosharian years.
Sigzil is Whits apprentice.
Sig was Hoid's apprentice. Also - read Sunlit Man. Sounds like maybe you skipped that one. But the apprentice thing was made clear in SA alone as well. You just get a little more info in Sunlit.
@@agirlhasnoname7910 yeah I just forgot about that in the moment lol and yes I didn’t have time to read sunlit man but I will in 2025
Spoilers for Wind and Truth
Oh wow, you mentioning that Adolin's storyline fell flat is crazy to me since it was one of my favorites. I love his journey of finding his own identity, understanding his privilege and recognizing he would also be an amazing leader. I also really liked the payoff of his scenes teaching Yamagawn, both in that battle and with Dalinar's storyline. Finally, I loved his view on the oaths, since it's really aligned with Dalinar realizing that upholding oaths doesn't necessarily represent honor. Overall his development was so strong and central to understanding the other storylines!
@@beca25694 I think I’ll enjoy it more on a reread, I still liked it though!
My biggest question about Dalinar below:
Is there now two of him, cause at first the book says that someone else had hold of his soul
@@nyaatama8529 interesting…
My biggest question will be, who or what is Nohadon
AGREE!
My only guess is that what dalinar talked to was some shard impersonating Nohadon.
This video pop out at the right time, I also just devour the book in one sittings. How can we join the discord?
@@viraxeva6748 I have a link in the description box! Let me know if it works, it should still work.
@@BookishDrummer I just checked and it said Invite Invalid :((
@ dang! Okay, I’ll send you one in a few minutes during lunch
@@viraxeva6748 discord.gg/5WzFxmdn
I'm still re-reading Way of Kings so will be a long time before I can watch the second part of this video 😆
@@andreabknight no worries! Thanks!
Thanks for the review, Jake! And thanks for the huge SPOILERS warning. Much appreciated! :)
@@TedReadInstead thank YOU for watching!!!
If Brandon doesn’t continue some of these characters, I’m gonna be highly disappointed. And I don’t wanna see them in flashbacks either. I don’t know how big of a time jump there’s going to be, but if it’s as big as I think it is, I don’t know how he could end this the way he did. Plus, he has always had Easter eggs showing that this was a huge universe with a lot of his other books but now I feel like we crossed a point where he has to have a series combining all of these characters from all of these different novels into some other big epic. I don’t think his fans are going to let him not do that at some point.
Hes said before that the time skip will be about 15yr.
Now, spoilers
the end of the book with the time dilation stuff could throw a wrench into things, but I assume it's 15yr Roshar time, meaning Stormlight Era 2 will take place after Era 3 of Mistborn and the Elantris Sequels that are being written over the next few years.
@ do you think he’s going to use the second half of the storm light archives to bring all these worlds together finally or he’ll do that down the line?
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I can't wait to learn more about the fourth moon and the metal it contained
@@chrisbammer4946 I’m sure answers will come!
And the people, I didn't understand that part quite well. Tanavast says he sees people there watching him. But if he destroyed natanatan, thoose people were living underground inside the fallen moon? Or it is just referring to the survivors of the ancient natanatan? I didn't quite get that part. Either way probably the moon is the crem now
Sorry for my bad english
WARNING: Major spoilers for Wind and Truth:
Sigzil is a) a former protege of Hoid b) a person who is fine travelling and cutting ties and c) incredibly trustworthy. He was the perfect guy for Hoid to give the Dawnshard to.
@@sigzil1985 gotcha!
Something about your name tells me you might be biased LOL
@@EonNShadow hahahaha
Hot take: Taravangian is the hero of the Stormlight Archive.
@@PeterB_ haha maybe…? Lol
@@BookishDrummer when he "killed" his family I changed my mind, but then I was vindicated in the epilogue. Haha.
@ hahaha
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I think your take on Adolin having some of the weakest chapters is so wrong. His whole big brother dynamic and coming to terms with who he is in the world of the radiants on top of being a big brother to the emperor is peak. And on top of that trying to come to terms with the fact that he doesn’t need to live up to a unrealistic expectation of his father is also great
@@aidanprice4097 great take! I’m sure I’ll
Appreciate it more upon a reread!
That’s funny, one of your least favorite perspectives was my #1 or 2 in the whole book, I couldn’t get enough of adolin
@@Jaspee17 a lot of people have been saying that! Next time I read it, I’m gonna keep in mind what everyone has said about him and I’ll probably like them a lot more!
*Arnold Schwarzenegger voice*
I'll be back [to finish this video]
@@BoiledJellyfishReads hahahaha
I've just finished the book and am left with an odd mix of satisfaction and disappointment. The lessons seems to be that everybody is just a person, including our heroes and our villains and the author Brandon Sanderson himself.
Understanding the villains as just people takes away from their scary villain character and it does feel that some characters who were built up to be scary villains fell short in this book. And there was a character who could have been a great villain reveal but it turns out I was wrong about that.
We've had 4 years of theory crafting which has been fun but I've noticed that the longer the break time went on the crazier and more elaborate the theories got. I might have enjoyed the book more if I had gone in straight from RoW.
Oh well, I still enjoyed the ride and it is unfair to have too high expectations of the author / any one book. Too high expectations ruin your experience.
Also I need to say something about it:
There are a couple of scenes that trigger me because they feel like they are not necessary for the plot but only there to appeal to the Woke Zeitgeist. I love the intricate world building and the story overall but did you really need a transgender soldier? Did you really need a conversation about how it feels to be neither male nor female?
There is a gay love story and I didn't mind it too much because it takes its time to explore it without being too in your face. But the other stuff was just not meaningful in any way to the story.
@@Rhedak thanks for the detailed comment! Agree with you about building up expectations!
Agree - as a gay man I think he just threw in the T thing as a throwaway appeal to the ultra liberal group. And some of the jokes and writing overall was poor. Days 1 and 2 were terrible
This! I’m worried about future books with the woke stuff. It’s a Total immersion breaker for me. I think it will only get worse in future books too. This is the first time I’ve read a Sanderson book and come away with a bad taste in my mouth
@ sorry you felt that way!
@@Rhedakthe use of cursing too was so weird and out of place. Like do we really need our real worth curse words in FANTASY?
And don’t get me started on the sex scene - that was so oddly writtbec
Possible spoiler WaT:
Shallan is most likely pregnant.
@@nyaatama8529 what’s your evidence for this?
@@BookishDrummer Not so much evidence, why I say possible, but if you look at chapter 147 Shallan is in shadesmar, Shallan cradles her belly and says that she has to survive, not just for herself.
It can give 1 of 2 impressions, her really really missing Adolin or... and Brandon wrote in not the scenes, but I think those early book scenes hid a purpose.
I thought her being pregnant was a given. Why else would Sando add the shower sex scene before they split. It felt very out of place for his books.
@ this is true
Warning major spoilers for wind and truth-
Maybe I am an awful person but I don’t understand how this outcome is the best. Dalinar should have killed Gav. Gav was already irreplaceably broken by 20 years of torture by odium. His single death cannot have been worth more than all that happened because of him renouncing his oaths.
@@Boskibro I guess Dalinar really didn’t want to prove Odium right by killing an innocent
The problem is the contest was only kicking the can down the road and not actually solving the problem, just perpetuating the cycle. There needed to be a major shift in the status quo, and Dalinar saw that, so he used the Sunmaker's gambit to actually get the other shards to participate. Him not wanting to kill Gavinor was just the way that he came to that realization
The other shards were perfectly happy to leave Odium to run rampant on Roshar because he was bound to the system. As long as he was, they would never care. I think when Dalinar held Honor he saw that if he killed Gav, he would still only be kicking the can down the road for people on Roshar in 1000 years to deal with, and the only way to unite the shards against Odium in order to achieve a permanent solution (UNITE THEM) was to lose this battle in a way that he thought he couldn’t be co-opted into Odium’s service, and would make Odium a clear and present danger for the rest of the Cosmere. One man with a weakened shard didn’t stand a chance, but if the rest of the shards are united in the fight against Retribution, there’s a chance to end his divine serial killing spree and possibly neutralize the threat of the Shard itself
@ very well put!
I think 5 is being very generous - but I get it no one wants to anger the Sanderson fan hoard. Personally, I think it’s just a repeat of RoW in terms of certain storylines….
Ranking
Oathbringer
Words of Radiance
The Way of Kings
Rhythm of War
Wind and Truth
@@jasonbrewbaker3932 fair enough!
Wind and Truth Spoilers
I think Wit gave Sigzil the Dawnshard because Sigzil was one of his apprentices (this was alluded to in book 1). We don’t know exactly what that entails, but it is at least an apprentice in the art of telling stories. So he was probably his best option for someone he knew and trusted, without being too high profile as to be targeted for other reasons. It also helps that he was in Urithiru at the time. It’s not like Wit had the time to find a better candidate, as he got smote rather quickly.
@@JordanSedai okay, I must have forgotten about that haha
This is not a 5 star book.
@@Phil-w3d I disagree lol what didn’t you like about it, tell me?
100% agree. This was the worst of the 5 Stormlight books.
@@PeterB_ what didn’t you enjoy about it? I’m curious
@ to be clear it's a good book, but I don't expect "good" from Sanderson. After what he produced with WoK and WoR proves that this may end up being the best epic fantasy series ever written. After seeing how he finished WOT I also believe him to be a man who can finish projects strong.
This book was both a departure from the greatness of early Stormlight books as well as a failure to deliver a satisfying finish.
The early books did a great job of portraying the hell of war, the difficulty of political scheming, and the general human condition. W&T feels like a CW fan fiction written by a millennial who has been through a lot of therapy (and may very well be better for it).
The problem is the delivery of the mental health themes. I thought it was awesome in the first book to hear a protagonist wrestling with their own weakness and struggles, but what started to become heavy-handed in application in Oathbringer became overt in RoW. Now with W&T it feels like the mental health messaging has supplanted the actual story. I couldn't read through a single progression of events without a character having to trauma dump in a very "tell not show" sort of way.
In short, Sanderson is telling us about mental health now when his greatness came from showing us mental health messaging in the past.
As far as a finish, I understand this is one arc, but damn... I felt way more satisfied after Mistborn's first arc finishing than this one. I feel cheated after being told for years that the contest with Odium was the only way. Even in the divine flashbacks in the 100s chapters, the divine figures all knew Odium had to be contained. Then, suddenly, we have *yet another* oath breaking that is in actually really smart because Wit points out it was clever and no one else saw it as a possibility.
Sorry, that's weak.
I'm seeing trends in Sanderson's work that are troubling, and I was really hoping this book would set me at ease. It didn't.
6 or 7 out of 10. Not horrible, not great, just disappointing.
@ I will have to read this after work lol
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I guess we can’t call it the Stormlight Archives, anymore, 😂.this book is 5 or 5, as are all the book, it this one has been my least favorite.
@@hiruu yeah…how can we have Stormlight archive without…Stormlight haha
@ a shard claimed Dalinar, so he’s def coming back as a cognitive shadow. I assume it was Cultivation’s doing.
This book didn't feel like an epic fantasy. Azimir plot was the only epic piece of the story. The other 4 plotlines were a dud. I liked Sezths plot, but it was a cheap imitation of the last airbender.
@@karohe I disagree but fair enough