5:06 As a Greninja main, I can tell you for a fact that an uncharged Water Shuriken would have beat Sonic lol If you didn’t know, the charged ones are slower.
To be honest with what he has faced before I really doubt that much of the projectiles that the Smash roster posses would actually damage him outside of game mechanics
Technically it would be 6 if there was a verification challenge, due to up-air, but yeah 5 for this purpose I’m not counting Nair/F-tilt either, they are just jab
If I had a Nickel for everytime Sonic humiliated Megaman in a Crossover by dodging everything he threw, I'd had two nickels, which isn't a lot but is weird that it happened twice (Archie Sonic and Archie Megaman Crossover)
I like how this little experiment is actually very relevant to the meta game and competitive play. Sonic out running most projectiles in the game helps illustrate how difficult he is to hit and how his raw speed serves as a great defensive tool by virtue of being able to avoid almost any attack.
Each pikmin has a unique throw arc I believe I don’t know the difference between the red and blue ones but white goes far purple doesn’t go far and yellow is high arching
Informative video and I liked it, a quick clarification that I noticed though: Joker's gun isn't a projectile, it's just a reaaally long hitbox, it's instant to come out once fired which is why it's faster.
3 moves where it's sad to not see they're varient : Byleth's uncharged neutral-b, Sephiroth's uncharged and mid-charged neutral-b, and Terry's neutral-b (because it couldn't travel/chase Sonic thanks to the different materials use for the ground)
Sonic did a lot better than the results suggest, since he gave a lot of users time to charge. If he started running when they started charging, he'd have won a lot more. I"d also suggest if you redo this you also try the Belmont whip if you're doing non-projectiles.
Fun fact: joker's gun shot is not a projectile. To get the intended hitscan effect, it is instead a very long and thin normal attack hitbox, still attached to joker.
R slash technically the truth. These moves are visually no different from projectiles even if they have different functionality. He’s not hitting you with the move connected to him barring the non-diegetic behavior of hitboxes.
I love how with Hero and Sizzle. This is basically the scenario that plays out. Sonic: "I'm going to beat your little projectile in a race" Hero: "Okay" Sonic: "Ready. Set. G-" Hero: "NO! YOU DON'T GET TO LEAVE THE START!!!"
They don't tend to use Smash Bros for feats specifically, since game balance is generally taken far more seriously than actual canonical power and only the Kid Icarus games actually seem to consider them canon.
I was going to make a crushing thirties reference from the chalkeaters (the sonic music video) but i noticed your pfp is an adorable eevee and i simply love eevees so i came here to say that instead
ROB's gyro is actually a lot faster if you don't charge it completely. Charging does increase it's launch speed but the max charge where it's blinking, resets it's speed to slower set amount.
@@Liggliluff yeah its like saying that Diddy is faster than Sonic because he is faster with the barrels Edit : i dont think that he is actually faster with the barrels it was just an exemple
so fun fact, if you press jump at the same time Yoshi throws the egg, it flies farther and faster, idk if it will make a difference but still good to know
Joker technically can’t hit Sonic with a projectile. The gun’s bullets can’t be reflected. They aren’t projectiles, they’re actually disjointed hitboxes. It’s really weird.
One thing I noticed, not that it would help, but Terry used the air version of his projectile. I noticed quite fast as it only went three feet ahead of him
Did you try to do the long distance version of Ptooie (throwing the spiked ball after the startup when it's closest to Piranha Plant)? That might've caught Sonic.
Unfortunately, Sonic reached the end in less seconds, and since he can start running once the Gordo is out, it’d take too long to swallow and spit out to catch sonic
I want to point something out 8:01 isn't a projectile it's a physical attack all of bayonetta's bullet arts attaks except B-special are physical attacks, I found this out by counting bayonetta's bullet art attacks with palutena.
I feel like the title should be "which projectile can CATCH Sonic?" Things like PK Fire are probably faster than Sonic, just not by enough before range screws it over
I’m just going to say it. Remember the targeting ray from XC2? Yeah my immediate thought was ‘the targeting ray can move faster than the speed of light!’ So if all else fails… at least we have Siren’s targeting ray…
About half the projectiles in the game are faster. Eggman should take notes. Also bonus points to Bayonetta (2 methods) and Hero (3 methods) who have multiple ways to hit Sonic
Kirby and DeDeDe both have projectiles with their neutral b and I think snakes grenade can be thrown with enough horizontal that Sonic wouldn't outrun it
I really think it would be better to include aaaaall projectiles, including g&w's upair, ddd's and yoshi's stars... it's fine if you don't want to include throwable itens, but everything else that can be reflected is a projectile still
I may be mistaken but I believe that you can reflect the first hit of charzards side b. So by technicality, he is still not fully tested Edit: Sephiroth is also not fully tested. His faster neutral special is mega flare not giga flare Edit: Looking back, ice climbers down b wasn't tested either
If I had a quarter for every blue animal in smash that says “come on” in a taunt, I would have 2 quarters. It’s not much, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
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How often hit Sonic this Switch?
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Kirby can if he uses the copy ability of a character like Fox, Toon Link, etc
@@FanOfAnimationthat’s cheating
@@FanOfAnimationoh wait you said “if” nvm plz don’t murder me
Where was steve and minmin?
5:06
As a Greninja main, I can tell you for a fact that an uncharged Water Shuriken would have beat Sonic lol
If you didn’t know, the charged ones are slower.
I like how sometimes Sonic doesn't sprint to avoid the projectile
Nah that’s just him slowly tiptoeing
Hes so confident that he doesn’t even bother to run
He don’t need to run
To be honest with what he has faced before I really doubt that much of the projectiles that the Smash roster posses would actually damage him outside of game mechanics
This video is displaying projectiles' speed against Sonic, and some of them are so slow that Sonic doesn't need to run.
It seems that Pac-man's last item was the key for hitting Sonic.
I hope that pun was intended.
@@melissawickersham9912 oh brother
Nice😂
Lmao
@@melissawickersham9912 it was
4:26 Poor Mega Man getting absolutely humiliated by Sonic 6 times
It 5
It's 5: jab, f smash, neutral b, side b, down b.
His up special isn't a projectile
Technically it would be 6 if there was a verification challenge, due to up-air, but yeah 5 for this purpose
I’m not counting Nair/F-tilt either, they are just jab
If I had a Nickel for everytime Sonic humiliated Megaman in a Crossover by dodging everything he threw, I'd had two nickels, which isn't a lot but is weird that it happened twice
(Archie Sonic and Archie Megaman Crossover)
imagine if they added beat as one of his abilities and a super adaptor
I like how this little experiment is actually very relevant to the meta game and competitive play.
Sonic out running most projectiles in the game helps illustrate how difficult he is to hit and how his raw speed serves as a great defensive tool by virtue of being able to avoid almost any attack.
How I miss Sonic's old taunt: "You're too slow!"
I don’t, I’m happy people can’t spam it anymore
@@AmericanBrit9834 come on, it was the saltiest thing ever, people losed their shit with that taunt XD So damn funny
it was one of the few taunts to actually TAUNT the opponent
Nah, Sonic’s real taunt is his victory screens. They are tilting after a close game, especially when people still taunt, as they are sonic players.
Yeah.
Dang. I really wanted to see Sonic outrun Snake’s taunt. Lol
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@@8CanadianBacon9 keep up the good work
Lol I saw this comment right after snake side B
Did you know that only in Smash, Olimar can throw White Pikmin farther than Reds or Blues?
I thought i was the only one that noticed
Thank you
Each pikmin has a unique throw arc I believe I don’t know the difference between the red and blue ones but white goes far purple doesn’t go far and yellow is high arching
Mhm, I have to deal with this a lot in Sm4sh lol
@@venuswine9905 i think he meant that in pikmin Olimar throws red and blue farther than white
@@sacman7863 olimar doesnt do that though
Eggman will definitely try to hire anybody whose projectile can outspeed Sonic
Goku Black
Fox: *Turns on the S.O.S signal*
Informative video and I liked it, a quick clarification that I noticed though: Joker's gun isn't a projectile, it's just a reaaally long hitbox, it's instant to come out once fired which is why it's faster.
Neither are Bayo's bullet arts or Ike's eruption
So then that means that Joker’s gun didn’t count since Sonic dodged his other attack as well.
Same goes for other moves like Zelda’s down special. And then Mario’s fludd and squirtles water gun are wind boxes not projectiles
Zelda down b can be reflected, so it does count as a projectile
@@StarKatGaming if it moves it's a projectile.
Sonic was able to outrun everything… then he took an arrow to the knee.
lol yea... villains take notes
The fact that Projectile the Character (Megaman) couldn’t get him but Heavy Swordie (Ike) could is something
ike is secretly a zoner???????
8:57 Fun fact, if you look at the hitbox data, Joker's gun actually isn't a projectile, but one really long hitbox.
Really wish sonic had his brawl voice lines, they'd fit perfectly here
It was pretty funny when Sonic ran, and then ran back, on to get blasted by Thoron. Arrogance draws punishment, Sonic.
I know it didn't necessarily affect the challenge, but I was surprised at how much faster Lucas's projectiles were compared to Ness's.
Lucas's pk thunder is slower than ness'#
Respect at 1:33 for using Undefeatable. That song is PERFECT!
3 moves where it's sad to not see they're varient : Byleth's uncharged neutral-b, Sephiroth's uncharged and mid-charged neutral-b, and Terry's neutral-b (because it couldn't travel/chase Sonic thanks to the different materials use for the ground)
Solid Snake: How my stinger couldn't reach him!?!?
Joker and Bayonetta: I will tell you my secret....GUNS :D
4:56 "Yeah, I'll just shake it off"
Sonic did a lot better than the results suggest, since he gave a lot of users time to charge. If he started running when they started charging, he'd have won a lot more.
I"d also suggest if you redo this you also try the Belmont whip if you're doing non-projectiles.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. If he was allowed to run when he saw the attack start, he'd outrun most of them
The rules were that he can move once the projectile starts MOVING, though
I'm pretty sure he would win in all of them if that was the case, they need content y'know
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Fun fact: joker's gun shot is not a projectile. To get the intended hitscan effect, it is instead a very long and thin normal attack hitbox, still attached to joker.
Yep! So is Bayonetta's bullet arts
R slash technically the truth. These moves are visually no different from projectiles even if they have different functionality. He’s not hitting you with the move connected to him barring the non-diegetic behavior of hitboxes.
Sonic has to hold back for Smash, so he has to run at the same speed without accelerating
Same with dedede he has a much faster air time his in game air speed is really slow in comparison
You should know Sephiroth’s smaller neutral special charges move faster and farther. Probably won’t make a difference but still
Yeah, Flare travels pretty slowly.
"You should know Sephiroth's smaller neutral special charges move faster and farther. Probably won't make a difference but still" -🤓
@@kazuyawest631 the only one who liked your comment is yourself. You really are a toxic person…
Yes I like my own comments and I have the balls 2 say it, not delete my response
@@kazuyawest631 man, even more toxic than Kanye West. At least you have what it takes to admit that the only one who likes your comments is you…
I love how the two utility belts in this game fail the challenge. Those being Snake and Megaman.
I assure you. If Snake had used his taunt, Sonic wouldn’t have been nearly fast enough to outrun it
Links are also “utility belts”.
@@8CanadianBacon9 That taunt has a short range. He would have gotten away easily.
@@SeanWheeler100 Well, naturally Sonic would have gotten away. The absurdity of my comment is supposed to give it humor.
1:29
the way he got hit when emoting 💀
The only time Sonic can't complete a challenge is against himself.
I love how with Hero and Sizzle. This is basically the scenario that plays out.
Sonic: "I'm going to beat your little projectile in a race"
Hero: "Okay"
Sonic: "Ready. Set. G-"
Hero: "NO! YOU DON'T GET TO LEAVE THE START!!!"
Falco: C’mon!
Sonic: Hey, that’s my line!
Falco down-b isn't a projectile, but I'm glad it was tested anyway.
Neither is Ike's neutral b
Same with Joker's gun
Death Battle be using this to argue that Link shoots arrows at multiple times the speed of sound.
😂 so true
They don't tend to use Smash Bros for feats specifically, since game balance is generally taken far more seriously than actual canonical power and only the Kid Icarus games actually seem to consider them canon.
@@smeltstarverse7306 maybe not specifically smash but they use a lot of stupid shit
Of course he does XD
man really did greninja dirty... uncharged water shuriken or hydro pump definitely wouldve hit
sonic can outrun a lot of things, but his problems are not one of them
I was going to make a crushing thirties reference from the chalkeaters (the sonic music video) but i noticed your pfp is an adorable eevee and i simply love eevees so i came here to say that instead
Doesn't mean he won't try tho xD
ROB's gyro is actually a lot faster if you don't charge it completely. Charging does increase it's launch speed but the max charge where it's blinking, resets it's speed to slower set amount.
Sonic would break the game if he could outrun byleth fully charged neutral B.
0:17 that confirms that in Super Mario Sunshine we are faster than Sonic...
I see, so LUMA is actually the fastest thing alive.
Does it count though? Since it's being fired by Rosalina. Sonic just runs
@@Liggliluff yeah its like saying that Diddy is faster than Sonic because he is faster with the barrels
Edit : i dont think that he is actually faster with the barrels it was just an exemple
Que curioso... Muchos ataques mágicos y lásers no pueden alcanzar a Sonic...pero las Flechas si son su mayor enemigo xd
I learned something today.
Sonic maybe fast,
But he can’t outrun a gun.
Yoshi’s & Dedede’s stars upon landing
Yoshi down-special, dedede up-special (though this one might not work due to ceiling)
Could’ve sworn he outran Rob’s laser in a previous challenge. 3:58
That's because he didn't wait as long as he did now.
Even then Rob has the mini laser
Moral of the story : Bows and guns counter Sonic.
so fun fact, if you press jump at the same time Yoshi throws the egg, it flies farther and faster, idk if it will make a difference but still good to know
Everybody gangsta til Sonic slows down time like in the movies
Joker's Neutral Special isn't a projectile, it's an extended hitbox.
The gun? The gun doesn't count as a projectile? The bullets one?
@@valerius88 for his neutral special, he fires a hitbox
We should’ve counter joker’s up special, that’s a projectile. (Can be reflected)
Joker technically can’t hit Sonic with a projectile. The gun’s bullets can’t be reflected. They aren’t projectiles, they’re actually disjointed hitboxes. It’s really weird.
If flood counts, Greninja up-b which actually deals damage should too.
Did you check the water projectiles from Greninja's up special?
I thought his uncharged neutral B would also be faster than the charged one
One thing I noticed, not that it would help, but Terry used the air version of his projectile. I noticed quite fast as it only went three feet ahead of him
“The air version of his projectile” you mean the one that goes 1 foot then stops? Lol
2:47 rip kirby
It funny to see that Mega man has all these projectile but still lost
Did you try to do the long distance version of Ptooie (throwing the spiked ball after the startup when it's closest to Piranha Plant)? That might've caught Sonic.
They couldn't because of the low ceiling. Same with Mythra's Ray of Punishment full height or her Chroma Dust
@@marigoldzephyrnio3647 he also moves before the projectile comes out a good few times.
Everyone without projectiles got skipped...
FAILURE!
I like how falco just "no•u"
Is Dedede's swallow and spitting out the gordo faster?
Yes
It'd catch Sonic in seconds
Unfortunately, Sonic reached the end in less seconds, and since he can start running once the Gordo is out, it’d take too long to swallow and spit out to catch sonic
Isn't greninja's non charged shurikens supposed to be faster than the charged ones?
unsure but his up special has a projectile too that i think would have also hit
Yea
I love how you just put in Undefeatable in the video
Sonic is my favorite character that's why I say you can't hit something that's faster than sound
What about Greninja's uncharged Neutral B?
Exactly what I was thinking, his uncharged shuriken would actually catch him.
Felt like Greninja would have won if it was a quick tap.
So you think ice Climbers blizzard Rosalina Star bits aren't necessarily projectiles but this extended hip hurt boxes?
Kirby can swallow and spit other people as a projectile
I want to point something out 8:01 isn't a projectile it's a physical attack all of bayonetta's bullet arts attaks except B-special are physical attacks, I found this out by counting bayonetta's bullet art attacks with palutena.
Iirc Mewtwo's disable only works if you're facing each other, so even Bowser could "outrun" it.
You forgot Rosalina & Luma's star bits
I feel like the title should be "which projectile can CATCH Sonic?"
Things like PK Fire are probably faster than Sonic, just not by enough before range screws it over
I like how when Sonic runs, his feet makes an infinity symbol.
Pro tip: ROB’s gyro is faster if you DONT charge it all the way. Why that is, I don’t know. But it goes MUCH faster and farther at 99% than 100%
Kinda like how Roy’s Blazing Sword actually has more knock back at 99%
Robin Duo DuckHunt and Pac-Man: you underestimate me for last time!!!
The fact that Sonic is faster than missiles but slower than arrows is funny to me.
And say that it's not same his true speed😂😂, if it was the case nothing touch him
You just know Megaman and Pacmans asses were getting frustrated.
2:48 sonic : wow kirby was behind there this whole time?
Wow, I’d really thought he could outrun rob’s laser
"sonic is the fastest thing alive"
Mario after building up Speed for 12 hours:am i a joke to you?
Thus video for some reason make me want to see a fan animation of how Samus plan to catch Sonic. That'll be epic
I’m just going to say it. Remember the targeting ray from XC2? Yeah my immediate thought was ‘the targeting ray can move faster than the speed of light!’ So if all else fails… at least we have Siren’s targeting ray…
What about chroma dust (other Mythra up special) since it has more range?
Zelda: **side B misses**
Sonic: Come on!
Zelda: Well okay then. **phantom approaches**
Sonic: 😧
I think Greninja’s uncharged shuriken should work
I feel like a couple of these would be discarded in a actual game, especially ones with long charge-ups
About half the projectiles in the game are faster. Eggman should take notes.
Also bonus points to Bayonetta (2 methods) and Hero (3 methods) who have multiple ways to hit Sonic
Why is Ike's Neutral B supposed to be a projectile?
Robotnik should just use arrows in the next game to kill Sonic
8:50 prowder, if the ball is down, it go faster
Kirby and DeDeDe both have projectiles with their neutral b and I think snakes grenade can be thrown with enough horizontal that Sonic wouldn't outrun it
i like how sonic cant out run a peanut or a little pebble from a sling shot
I really think it would be better to include aaaaall projectiles, including g&w's upair, ddd's and yoshi's stars... it's fine if you don't want to include throwable itens, but everything else that can be reflected is a projectile still
Doesn’t Greninja’s uncharged Water Shuriken move faster than its charged one?
After running tests, yes
Think of it like thunder and l thunder
3:37 bro you could just throw the gordo up and use neutral b to make it travel faster
I may be mistaken but I believe that you can reflect the first hit of charzards side b. So by technicality, he is still not fully tested
Edit: Sephiroth is also not fully tested. His faster neutral special is mega flare not giga flare
Edit: Looking back, ice climbers down b wasn't tested either
Sora's Blizzaga wasn't tested either.
I don't remember Peach and daisy turnip being tested either
@@justdenks Did you not see the beginning? Item throws don't count.
@@EripmavsDYraid I apparently can't read
@@justdenks Don't worry, Pit can't either.
What is the range on sephiroth's snap because imo sonic might have run under it like with some of the other projectiles
This is Eggman's plan to capture sonic
greninja's uncharged shuriken will hit sonic. It is faster when uncharged
Nothing can be faster than sonic xd
If I had a quarter for every blue animal in smash that says “come on” in a taunt, I would have 2 quarters. It’s not much, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
I’m curious, who’s the second?
@@PhD_in_Undecided2:08 falco
Did anyone else notice he forgot Greninja’s up B?
Of course the Zelda characters were gonna be able to hit Sonic. And he is a fan of them.
why terry's power wave is aerial kind?
Both are slow af, but because the air version’s final hitbox comes out faster, that’s probably his best chance of hitting sonic