Feeding Brine Shrimp: What Most Fish Stores Won't Tell You About Hatching Live Artemia Nauplii
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
- What every fish hobbyist, breeder and fish Keeper should know about feeding live or froze. baby brine shrimp, as well as Brine Shrimp in general. Be it saltwater or freshwater aquarium fish, the life and health of your ecosystem and Fry are at stake, depending on what you feed them. many Brine Shrimp are extremely low Grade and poor in nutrition, and while it may be a great stomach filler and eye catcher due to the live movement Artemia nauplii create, it may no longer be the gold standard in what we should feed our newly hatching Fry. daphnia, infusoria, and a well cultivated ecosystem of microfauna can often create a far more balanced and nutritious diet.
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Artemia salina, A. franciscana, A. parthenogenetica, A. persimilis, etc. Nauplii are just a stage of the development of the life cycle
Thank you for clarification on that!
@@Fishtory Also, nauplii is pronounced like "naw-plee-eye", just so you know! I'm a Sea-Monkey enthusiast just watching this video because it came across my feed haha!
@@NumeroLetter well thank you! I wish I had found out prior to this hehe but better late then never and this is pinned for correcting my mistakes heh
Bit late to the party... I was just asking ChatGPT whether there's some other word that sounds similar, but has a different meaning :)
A TRUE GEM TO THE FISH RUclipsS
Only you could tell this story with all the twists and turns lol! It grabbed my attention. Good work! 👌
I know right. Just when you think you are starting to know something, Alex comes in and takes it to a new level 🙌🥰😁❤️
Haha well I'm glad you enjoyed it Laura! Thanks for the feedback and support 😀 👍
One of the LFS here keeps a colony of live brine shrimp, which they sell from and feed from. Its a delight to see.
That's the way to do it! That or just sell decapsulated freshly hatched baby brine
Jealous
I love the fact that you show reciepts and all of your research
Thank you, if it's not " common knowledge" I'll at least save the sources for anyone asking... if not attach them in the video. I just think our hobby is really missing
Dude you’re the best. Great video. So glad i watched it. I actually dug out 3 of my old 10gallon tanks and set them all up as nature tanks. I got water from 3 different local ponds and I’m treating them all the same. Really interesting the concentration of the various l creatures in each tank, all dependent on the ponds water quality. This kind of stuff has always been my favorite part of the hobby and your channel has totally rekindled that all for me. I also just started two large tubs with all kind of plant matter in there in order to start culturing scuds again and going to try my hand at some daphnia as well. All that to support my small school of pea puffers. 😂😅
Thank you kindly. And thanks fkr sharing
I can’t even say enough how much I love your channel, I love it so much that I think it’s the best thing on all of youtube. Anytime one of your videos come out I instantly hop on it, I’ve been into aquariums a long time, I’m subscribed to the biggest channels, and after a year I still believe your channel blows all the rest out of the water: I know you’re not gonna see this but I love you man. It would be lit as hell to meet you one day
That is incredibly kind of you to say, and I really appreciate your support and kind thoughts & writting. I try and answer every comment or question people post though, so if you have an idea, question or want to share something with me/us. Don't hesitate.
Thanks again, though, and have a great weekend!
-Alex.
One of the best channels on the platform, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.
I appreciate that!
Fascinating stuff! Starting my new BBS hatchery this weekend. thank you for all the info.... this helps me determine the optimal harvesting time to get the most out of these guys. Now, off to learn about other live food cultures!!
Happy to help! They're still a great food, it's just important to feed then right after hatching.. or let them grow enough that 3 to 4 days later, they can be enriched nutritionally. Cheers
My old LFS sold adult brine shrimp for $1.50 a cup (mostly water of course), which was enough to feed a nice portion to 40+ harlequin rasboras and dwarf danios. A rare treat as it was a 45 minute trip to make. I also hatched BBS in the little black circular hatchery. One aquarium would get the first portion at 12 hours; second aquarium got the second portion, and I'd take turns with who got it first. But even the older BBS seemed to bring them joy. The rasboras especially turned such a deep shade of orange while hunting/eating, it was spectacular! It gives them a nice break from the ho-hum of non-moving food even if it is only as nutritional as a potato chip.
Oh 100% those are good points. And any live food is leaps ahead of flake foods ...for the exact reasons you mentioned, if not the nutrition. That's awesome you have a store that does that... we see it at aquarium coop sometimes but I think it's 1/4th of what that Oase Brine shrimp hatchery makes, and it's 4.99 or 5.99 usually ...but I buy them if I'm in a pinch
EXCELLENT videography. Your visage framed in black is powerful. Coupled with a message that delves into substantial knowledge has created a profoundly effective presentation.
Hah thanks Lou! Good to see you. I've been so busy, I apologize for not making the rounds lately. I figured you'd enjoy this video... I should link to your boot Hatchery haha 😄...I'll pin it
On another note!
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This is so informative!!! Fantastic reporting; I enjoy this kind of content!🌻🌼🐝
Thank you. Lots more all over this channel's videos hehe. Welcome 🙏
Very interesting! I learned alot in this video. Thank you.
Glad to hear it!
So glad I poke around in your archives! Pivoting well ahead of needing live food. Thanks Alex👍
Hehe nice thinking. Cheers
Thank you for this video Alex!!! You saved me from making a big mistake!! I have a question…. I have been doing some research on breeding danios and I have seen some people using egg yolk the first few days to feed them. Would this be a good option for brine shrimp?
Best of luck my friend. Try it out
These kind of videos are where you excel Alex, no one else digs this deep and I always feel enlightened, I wonder if you can answer a question for me please, what are the 4 best frozen foods to feed a community tank? 🙏
Well it really depends on brand, and the community. But fish meal and organ meats from human grade food fish is highest in omega 3 and omega 6.... (various "carnivore products"...but "carnivores" almpst always eat some omnivores in the food chain, so even carnivores need vegetative nutrients too.) So I do a carnivores cube, some gut loaded or enhanced daphnia or copepods (live is ideal...like in summer I feed those)... mosquito larvae are great too. But after that I usually feed a mix I showed in a video:
1.Carnivores cube or DTO pellets (japanese brand refrigerated fish food made of fishmeal mostly.)
2.Enhanced or gut loaded daphnia or small copepods
3. Some algae wafer or spiralina wafers or Cubes
4. Fluval bug bites made of black midge fly larvae
It seems fairly rounded if you also count your tanks own microfauna.
@@Fishtory thanks for answering my question Alex, I have several tanks with a variety of fish including Corys, BN. Plecs, Pea Puffers, Tetras, Rasboras, Minnows, Loach, Stiphodons, African Dwarf Frogs and a Variety of shrimp and snail. My feeding regime is Bug Bite Flake in the morning and frozen Bloodworm, Daphnia, Tubifex, Mysis, Bug Bites granuals and Seachem Nourish thawed in a cup of tank water at night. Also feed Algae wafers and Zucchini. I’m in the UK by the way 👍
I've seen a guy overhere(The Netherlands) just filled a bucket with aquarium water and putted brine shrimps in it.
Placed it in a corner in his garden partially in the sun.
It became an ecosytem/hatchery without doing anything.
In winter the bucket was in freezing temperatures, but somehow they always survive enough to keep it going.
This looks like an awesome easy way for trying.
Whoa. I'll have to give that a go!
3:30 in, speaking in my Aussie language. You Far-Ken Rock Alex! Far-Ken love this begining to what is no doubt an epic video. Now to enjoy it!
CRIKEY! Thanks for the support, mate!
For the algorithm! (I changed my name lol) Super interesting! Thank you! Gut loading is super important in the reptile world and I think adding that to the fish hobby would be super helpful. Keep up the good work Alex!
Right on! I remember it being popular for meal worms etc. And even calcium coating crickets etc...but in water it's way harder to merely coat food...fats, proteins and oils float off to the top
This is super informative thanks!
You're so welcome!
Decided to add bbs for my fry and small fish about a year ago after failing with daphnia. Wanted fry to have more live food to chase in addition to any copepods/paramecium etc that happened to survive in my wild-ish tanks. Only have 4 tanks that I add them to. Hobby brand hatchery working great:) Only drawback is don’t bump it when in use! Gives me really quick results and I can time it to start pulling small amounts soon after they start hatching. Thanks for link to brine shrimp direct eggs - added it to my cart as I’m getting low.
Oh for sure! I like that hobby Hatchery too. It's not the most effective for hatch %... but easy and so low tech for small amounts of them. Glad you found some info useful! Brine shrimp direct is very open and honest in their sales and branding
Just throw your daphnia in a tub of dechlorinated water outside and let leaves accumulate in it. They’ll boom. I do nothing special for my cultures outside.
Thank you for your help Alex about my move. Getting ready to move my favourite nano fish from Sydney to Brisbane. Sparkling Gourami and all their babies, Chocolate Gourami and all their babies and my Pigmy Cory and their babies, probably close to 80 fish in total. Going to use a big plastic tote, half full of water while in the car, which will make it about 50-60 liters in a 110 liter tub with a lid and full when I get there. Got akadama substrate with it carpeted with cuba, so the substrate will not slosh around. I also have soft plants and moss around the outside of the tub. Going to use a battery/car charger air pump to run an air stone and wont feed at all. Will take their canister full of water and pop it back in when I stop or when I finally get there. Luckily it's summer here and they wont cool right down at all and will keep my car on the warm side of 25-26 Celcius the whole way. The tub will act as their home for about a month, as I got to come back down and do the rest of the move. My sister is fish sitting for me, so want it to be as easy as it can for her and make it nice and happy for the fish, so they don't get too stressed, especially the chocolates. They spook so easily. Your advice has given me confidence to bring these little guys with me and my personalized paludarium/grow wall pond is coming to house and breed some rare types of blue eyes up there. Can't wait for that. Here we come tropical Queensland!
Whoa! Sounds like you planned it as well as anyone possibly could do so! Please let me know how it goes! Whoa...pre-carpeting a tote...such a good idea for sloshing and maintaining water parameters!
Lots of good info. I had no idea about all this stuff. Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
You always have the best videos when it comes to info and just always leaves me thinking ❤
Glad you like them! Im honored. Have a great sunday
Very in-depth video! Question: You mentioned studies that showed San Francisco Bay brine shrimp were 2x better than Salt Lake shrimp, but you also (very honestly) mentioned that those studies were 20+ years old. Given the street conditions in SF lately, it's possible that some of that "stuff" (i.e. human waste) might have washed down into the Bay, especially with flooding conditions that have been prevalent in recent years. I wonder if the quality of the Bay brine shrimp is still as good as it was 20+ years ago?
For some reason I've always felt sketchy about brine shrimp. Never had any interest in hatching them or feeding them and always felt a tad bit guilty about it with all the hype on them. But I keep nature tanks, wood, toss in a couple of dead hardwood leaves from the yard, never gravel vac, have deep substrates, all of which is why I probably have so many healthy baby fry when my fish breed. I never did any research on it, just felt sketchy about it. Thank you for the deep dive and the nutrition values or lack of on most brine shrimp. Now I have no guilt at all about my lack of interest in them. A lot of folks were horrified when I told them I toss dead leaves in my tanks right off the ground into the tank. Reactions like...OMG you don't boil them for 20 minutes first to kill off all the possible fungus and bacteria??? Nope, because I'm not using the leaves for decorations, I'm using them as a food source of micronutrients, food. I'll ask them...do you boil your fish food for 20 minutes before you feed it? Reply...No, it's already baked and boiled and sterile when I buy it. Bingo! There is nothing natural or microscopic or live for Itty bitty baby fish to eat, and ya wonder why they die off.
Anyway, I'm rambling, lol. Thanks for all the deep dive research you do into things "the experts" who make money off of the things they sell, tell us we HAVE to have to have the best and healthiest fish. Love you for being the research nerd I wish I was, love your channel.
👍❤👍
Thank you so very kindly. Shelby Rae! And I couldn't agree more with your rant lol
Dead leaves are key 🗝️
if only i had a teacher like you sir. thank you for educating a 57yo gradpa.
What a fantastic video!
I’ve been hatching artemia for a few years and feeding them to all of my fish.
I hatch them,do one feeding with the live newly hatched,and the freeze the rest for later feedings or days I can’t tend to the hatchery.
Your content is always so helpful.
Thanks!
Thank you kindly. Best of luck with your hobby!
Wow I didn't know that they no good after 12 hours I'm bringing baby angels up at the minute and I've been hatching enough to last me 2 days putting them in fridge, I'll have to do more hatching now thanks for this alex
I didn't know it either! 20 years later.... and I'll be editing some of my methods for Fry
@@Fishtory I mite try the decapitated ones
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Decapitated ones - those must be Artemia zombiee ... 😁
@@enricojeremias5425 eh
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Just the little difference between "decapitated" and "decapsulated" ...
I buy my San Francisco brine shrimp cysts from Brine Shrimp Direct in Utah. It seems like San Francisco Bay Brand only sells the little vials. I buy the SF eggs in 1.75 Oz jars. It's always been recommended that you refrigerate them to keep them fresh. I store mine in the freezer, and I still get very good hatches from eggs that are a few years old. SF cysts produce much smaller nauplii than the Salt Lake variety.
Same!
Alex for the blowing our minds win 🙌😁 I absolutely love when you dive deep into things and brine shrimp was a super cool subject!! We already know they're great to feed our fish but have we ever taken the time to get to know these little critters? Now we have!!
I never realized about their growth and it makes perfect sense about the nutrients they provide as they grow and grazing and eating ! As we have always been told....You are what you eat 😂😁
Great information as always Alex!! You always explain things through your storytelling that really helps us understand and learn!! I hope you have an amazing day my friend!! Thank you for sharing! 🙏🌿🦐🌿💚🐟🌿💚
Awww thanks Paige! You always make me feel like researching a video was worth it haha. Just for your compassionate and thoughtful comments. Hugs my friend
@@Fishtory see that's the same way I feel about you with everything you do!! Good stuff Alex 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Fabulous video! You're so knowledgeable! Thank you for all of this information. I have mine to feed my betta, he loves the babies. I let adults grow to keep up the population. They're really fun!
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the content
I just pureed together sweet potato and peas baby food with yeast and hard boiled egg yolk. Froze it in a gallon baggie. Will snap off a bit every day to feed them.
Good stuff! Great tip thanks
I use vinegar eels and then finely ground high protein food for fry. Plus I have a nature aquariums full of little living things for fry to eat. I feed frozen brine and frozen blood worms to the adult fish, as it seems to get them into breeding mode, but they also get the high protein ground food too.
That's extremely similar to what I also do! So far it seems to work well. I still feed 0-5 hour old (hatched) baby brine for fun and variety, but I started noticing that some fish who prefer more meaty meals, weren't doing well off of Brine shrimp alone.
Thanks for your feedback and experience!
Hi Alex, thank you for the video.... Ive never done BBS before. Many years ago I started taking in fish nobody wanted, yano how people buy an amazing new tank or have an older set up and for all different reasons end up with a last few tough guys everyone lost interest in? Yup those guys! I post an online add and got many replies to it and so started my adult fish lover life of all kinds of misfit fish to say the least. But i was able to keep many from going south in the royal thrown! Lol then I shortly took on the name as the crazy fish lady! Lol But I wanted to share with you a bit of my story of fish tank life for myself. Lol
Crazy fish lady fit perfectly when some trips was hours just driving for a gold fish from the toss ball thing at their local fair to mention just one of my fish rescue stories. Sorry my storys long but it helped me help the new array of fish that was coming home with me. I noticed SOOOOO many mixed tanks it was mind blowing how the big chain FS will mix anything in a tank because its a tropical fish! Well I will tell you what I did, I would bring home the new family member and put them in a tank by themselves for a week or so then I would split them up into a correct tank mate that was best for each fish as an individual. I would in the mean time google my new pet to make sure I KNEW what mother nature tossed their way in nature and then the food.... OMG the food! You would be shocked the stories I heard from people most used 1 type of food from the start and im telling you most stories started with 20 fish from top to bottom feeders all 1 flake, why I had to ask after so many stories being almost identical well on the flake container it said COMPLETE balanced diet... Ugh. When I started reading where the fish come from and what they ate for the area they come from in nature well I will tell you its a whole amazing different world!
It's amazing how little thought...or empathy many people have. I'm glad folks like you are here in the world! Thank you
That was super informative. Thanks Alex!
Very happy to share the info! (I had no idea about a lot of it, until the last week or two of reading)
wow thank you so much for talking about these wonderful things alex. I truly thought having your own colonies of live food is way better than relying on anything frozen or shipped in. Now after watching your video I feel even more vindicated about thinking the way I do? thank you!
You are 100% correct. Nothing beats a truly wholistic micro-biome and ecosystem with micro-organisms, up through isopods, amphipods, nematodes, and other critters (bugs outside are a game changer...but I don't bring anything other than mosquito larvae into the indoor tanks hehe)
Wow. did not kmow that. Got to join now,,,,,,,,doing it now. And we love love everything about you Alexander. ;-}
Wow, I was just literally looking to get brine shrimp and try to hatch some. Thank you for the info!
Sure thing buddy
Im a micro farmer. We have 25 rural acres, but most of it is wild. A keep a little less than 1/4 acre intensively managed under heirloom organic garden, and the rest is ckickens and guinea pigs and a little 200 gallon water feature with rainbow dace minnows.
In our greenhouse, i just started a 20 gallon culture of artemia.
Im aiming for a closed loop system to feed my family. Minnows and guinea pigs and chickens are made of protein. Minnows eat algae and daphnia and artimea and mosquito larvae. Guinea pigs eat grass and weeds, cucumber pepper and carrots. Chickens will eat minnows and guinea pigs and anything else from the garden, plus provide egg yolk to feed artimea. The garden and the animals feed us, and we move materials and manure around to fertilize everything and feed them.
My hope is to save garden seeds, capture rain water, and turn manure into feed for tiny critters to then feed bigger critters, to then feed us.
Dont depend on governments and international markets, y’all. Grow food at home.
May God bless each of you and all your loved ones, and soften the hearts of our enemies til no enemies remain, only love and mutually beneficial community.
That is amazing! I'd love to see more of how you are doing it! Very very cool 😎
Also curious, I haven’t looked into this at all, but you’d certainly be the one to ask - is there such thing as buying aphids for the tanks? Some of my tanks with serious floating plant growth have aphids…my apistos have hunted theirs to extinction in their tanks. But I loved watching them lock up like a pointer and bam! Are these little bug critters up top aphids…and is this a thing?
I've never seen it...but I wish there was. I get the little water fleas on every tank with plants too, and my fish love em!
There's nothing like dropping in a plain old flea (if you are unfortunate enough to get a summer infestation on a pet, it is very satisfying while fighting them off) to make fish spicy and jumpful- bettas slowly think about it, but the zebra danios and guppies go mad
Yes!! 100% I've seen aphids on floaters and emergent plants, but I'm not sure any one sells them. However there are plants you can specifically plant outside that are aphid magnets in spring and summer. You could easily trim a cutting infested and feed. You'd just want to be very very careful feeding a wild source of insects, especially anything in the 'true bug' category because these insects are targeted by pesticides!
I've started a brine shrimp outdoor tub with indoor live cultured phytoplankton. Gently covered with a lid. The eggs were from the San Francisco company. So far so good!
Awesome
Condensed most of my brine shrimp cultures into two pots and now I’ve filled my tubs with daphnia. Boosting for the algorithm 🙌 Love your work, keep it up! 🌻🐝
Great video. Great series. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Please keep this live food series going and teach us. No one else is. Daphnia, cyclops, black worms, and more. These would all be good subjects for future videos. Also where can you find starter cultures if you don't have access to a club member or someone else to supply you with. Since you are starting off with small foods for fry and nano fish, what's next? Cyclops? I only know about frozen cyclops from my local fish store. I've never seen anyone discuss this as a live food subject. Also, what do you feed daphnia? I've heard of dry baker's yeast, but I've also heard that isn't so good. Please keep this live food series going and teach us.
Glad you enjoy it! I'll keep it up. It's a lot of conflicting info on things...so untangling the truth always seems to take time and there are always other opinions on each method or source, but I really enjoy daphnia (starting using infusoria and then vinegar eels for nano fish. Then they're able to eat crumbled high protein flake, granular or pellet foods up to adult size).
As for daphnia, green water is ideal food, singular cell algae species 😊
Also cyclops will populate water left outside in almost every part of the world...it may take a few months, but a mere bucket in the sun, with leafs in it, will attract those and so much more!
Ripley believe it or not has how to start a vinegar eels culture. Takes a month. I just started one last night. Werid were u can find info sometimes.
I kept daphnia well for awhile, black worms didn't make it, microworm culture was repulsive, had the most luck with vinegar eels (I would love to see a deep dive on those, and boy, do I wish I had discovered this channel before my own live food experiments! I gave up on the big message boards; 'this is an old thread', 'what are your parameters' (to 'help, my betta got injured in a fluval c0² bell!'- it really does get ridiculous), I just stopped getting anything much out of even lurking- I wish more people had just posted, 'hey, watch Alex and Father Fish and just- absorb for awhile, maybe get a jar with some pond mud'- it would save a lot of time and resources and fish lives).
For the algae rhythm. I still have my big can from brine shrimp direct. I like the sieves they sell too. I feed mine ass soon as they hatch. For me usually about 20 hours.after starting a fresh batch. I have noticed the them loose the yolk sack after about 12 hours of hatching they slowly start to turn pale from absorbing their yolk sack. Good video Alex.
Thanks for your testimonial on that! I've seen similar results and also use Brine shrimp direct
TYVM for posting this, Alex!!!
Of course! Thanks for tuning in!
Very informative as always. I've been trying out a lot of little foods for my new porkchop rasboras and this came across my subscriptions notifications. I saw you have some in this video, have you ever bred them? Also what are the fish swimming with them in that tank that had the same shape but were just blue?
Great to hear!
Great vid bro. Totally eye opening. Thanks for the info and the time you put into your research
Thanks for watching my friend. Cheers
Thanks for another fantastic video, Alex!! I just scored 2 batches of rainbowfish eggs from Gary Lange, (Mel. Parva and Mel. Trifasciata "Blythe River") and they both hatched out great!!! I'd prefer to skip brine shrimp all together, so I squeezed an established filter sponge into the grow out tanks for some infusoria. I also bought a pound of dried eggs from one of the founders of brineshrimpdirect, just in case. What are your thoughts now that we have food like Golden Pearl, and Aquarium Co-op Fry Food? If I remember correctly LRB Aquatics doesn't use brine shrimp in his hatchery. I put a light dust of Fry Food in 3 days after hatching and it was almost the same size as the fry, lol!! But that golden pearl is all but invisible on the water, and they must be eating it.
Oooo lucky duck!
You look good as a Jeremiah Johnson look a like! Excellent Secret History Living in your Aquarium about Brine Shrimp! Bravo!
Hehe thanks...that's a damn fine movie 🎬
In the 1960s we would buy what we called an ounce of brine shrimp. It was basically adult brine shrimp to fill a 1 oz container, that was then added to a bag of saltwater. This cost 35 cents a portion for many years. The hobbyist would keep this in a jar in the refrigerator for about a week.
By the 1990s, the same amount would cost $1.00.
Soon prices went up, and you could probably count the number of brine shrimp in the bag. This was only probably about 200 brine shrimp. By 2015 the same amount would cost about $3.99. it probably cost about the same now. Maybe less brine shrimp. Grow your own.
Thanks again for the fantastic information, Alexander. Great stuff as always. :) I wonder where the COOP sources their BBS eggs...I have 3 hatcheries in rotation now using eggs from the Coop and Brine Shrimp Direct.
I'd be curious if there's a difference in fry growth side by side with the 2 types in the same hatchery...I'd love to know! But my guess is anything in a lower price range is similar grade...because Brine shrimp Direct also sells some 8oz premium decapsulated enhanced ones for like $40+ ....so I'm guessing that's Grade 2 or 3 out of the 4 if I took a wild guess...but I'd also like to know!
Thank Thank for sharing have a new package will read carefully 😊 wonderful information xoxo
Glad at least I can hopefully point you in the proper direction 👍
Is it true that copepods can hurt newborn fry?
Yes definitely if there are enough of them and the adult fish aren't keeping numbers down and keeping the copepods hidden
Is there a way to make this practical for a small scale hobbyist to breed for feeding?
Its rather labor intensive and you need to start a new batch of eggs daily, staggering use either every other day or allowing some to grow up and feed them enriching foods in a small dedicated aquarium .
Enjoyed this information. Enjoyed the length and concentrated content - just from a practical time - bang for the buck thing. Also, love that tank just as your goby tank(s) for ideas. What are the nut shells and types of leaf liter, and anything else you can think of natural additive wise your using in these tanks. Thank you!
Check out my video on jackfruit Leaves... and it's full of those, a lotus pod, cinnamon leaves, and Almond leaves mostly. All from aquatic arts online (they're offering free shipping on dry goods and you can get 15% discount with HISTORYSECRET15 )
Thanks for the knowledge on baby brine shrimp 🍤 and a spot were I can learn more!
For sure!
I stopped feeding Brine a couple years ago basically because I hated messing with them . I have found a few commercially made foods since that have worked so much better . Thanks for doing this vid
Very interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing your experience with us! May I ask what you like instead?
@@Fishtory Dr. Bassleer baby/nano food for one. I find it to be the best commercially made food for fry hands down . We also feed a product from Zoo Med their Can-O-Cyclops . I have used the Northfin Fry Starter in the past as well and found it to be OK but not near as good as the Dr. Bassleer food . As far as Live Foods I still culture microworms but again - I get lazy and they crash sometimes
Let me also add this - We use botanicals in many of our tanks as well - especially fry tanks . As you already know, they provide lots a goodies.
I use supposedly Siberian brine shrimp. I use it as soon as possible, when its nutritional value is high. Now I also grow daphnia and I would like to start with black worms. I would like to know if you prepare green water for daphnia?
Bingo! That sounds like a very good balance of food for most any fish fry.
Good overview.
Pro Tip:order from industrial fish food companies like Inve food for brine shrimp and/or these eggs. Packages are huge therefore ask around other hobbyists who wants a part as well.
I have a 10 liter breeding box full of Artemia for breeding artemia. Before I feed them to my fish, I feed the artemia with phytoplankton. My problem is winter as I usually feed live food out of ponds and frozen food. My fish (some) need the hunting Impulse. My hatcheries are very cheap as self made (for different kinds of live foods).
Right on! Yeah I do the pond trick too... so daphnia and isopods/amphipods and other goodies all grow throughout the winter here in Seattle, but nights were it dips to 38f or so, they take a dive and go for the substrate and torpor until it's warmer for a few days
What can they graze on? Is the suspended algae in green water small enough for them to eat?
Bingo! They eat algae and tiny plankton (or similar fresh water flora & tiny tiny fauna). But honestly it all depends on the whole food chain and how quality the nutrients are from microscopic and algae/plant nutrient content/bacteria/Fungi-> plankton and micro crustaceans, nematodes, amphibious, copepods or amoeba ...then to seed shrimp, daphnia, scuds, and small crustaceans -> small fish -> medium size fish and birds/ amphibians -> big omnivore fish -> apex predators
great info. Thank you for sharing! - Little Bobby
Of course brotha! Rock on
This was very informative as usual Alex. I was hoping to see you feed your fish some juvenile or newly hatched brine shrimp
Next time! I just was a dummy and didnt think to film it
I'm waiting on eggs from SGB store ordered from Amazon. I'm not going to buy a hatchery will just use a soda bottle. When spring arrives I'm so looking forward to Daphnia and other bugs.
Nice! I just use bottles too.
Perfect timing Alex! I was just thinking about building a brine shrimp culture and now im not gonna 😂
Haha well it's still fun to feed using them...but maybe get the "hobby" brand (I think I have a link below)... it's like 25 or 30 $ usually and takes no Heater or light or airlines...and hatches less, but enough for Fry in a couple tanks. But honestly if you can culture daphnia...do it! They're superior in a lot of ways...and having a diverse micro organism ecosystem in your tank will take care of a lot of the smaller fry foods
You’re one of mu favorite RUclipsrs
Aww thank you very much!
By the way the reason why you typically feed artemia is due to the size of your frys mouth. If you used daphnia they are bigger and can even harm your fry. Most culturists tend to stay away from daphnia.
True. There are many lines and species of daphnia too, so their babies can be extremely tiny for the first few days or weeks if you find the proper culture. Thanks for bringing up the point of tiny fry sizing too
@@Fishtory Do you happen to know the smaller species? I’ve been thinking of trying this out. I’m able to sustain cultures well, but I’ve got species that’s quite large even as babies.
So i saw a research paper on hatching bbs with spirulina, fish oil and vitamin C in the hatchery have you considered adding any supplements like this to yours
Im experimenting with it now
100% that's the way to do it. If you can't feed the fish within 6 hours of hatching the brine
@@Fishtory anything I should avoid trying to make them a carrier of I was considering adding vitamin c with zinc instead of straight vitamin c
But I'm not sure what might harm my baby axolotls
But they seem to really like the ones with the astaxanthin, vitamin C, and fish oil
thank you for the nutrition info, i am now more comfortable feeding my pygmy puffers fresh hatchlings. I was under the opposite impression.
Glad I could help!
When you say using the brine shrimp within 12 hours, do you mean 12 hours after they hatch, or 12 hours after setting up the new batch?
Hatch
I just found this while trying to find better ways to take care of my bbs. Lately I feed my baby brine shrimp phytoplankton.. as well as once they hatch in my heated hatchery, I transfer them into a heated insulated almost 3/4 gallon, aerated container with plants that have been around enough to grow beneficial everything on them. It's probably not enough. Maybe I need more... But just with that, so you think I'm doing enough? What else should or could I do? I let them grow for about 4-7 days feeding them daily to my fish. Especially the fish that require movement based foods. And as more hatch in the hatchery I slowly add those to the container as well. I also add the phytoplankton to the hatchery. And every couple of days I add more to both. Just a few drops at a time..... I'm worried after this video I'm not doing enough or that there is more I should do.... What do you think?
PS thank you so so much for this info!! Much love and thanks to you always!!
Where do you get your Daphne from? I've only seen them at scientific store websites, and I'm not sure that is what I'm looking for.
That daphnia is spendy but does just fine... you'd want to let it reproduce in a green water tank for a few weeks before harvesting rounds of them out though. But that's what I do outside half the year...honestly it's what cory does at aquarium coop in his own fishroom/home too. If you leave a bucket of leaves and water outside in most places on earth, there's a local species that will colonize it as long as yeast or algae is in the water to eat. (And yeast is in the air all over)
@@Fishtory Free yeast and Daphnia! It's a marvelous world. :)
I was thinking I could just culture them from a local pond, but then I'd have to treat them for parasites as I grow them out... And I don't want to pick up any friendly hydras :o
Thank you Alex!
Beautifully done bro
Thank you very kindly!
As a newby, I really like you Alex 👩🏻🌾. Your content on the unseemly origin of our fish food products and all pet food products for that matter is very sad! It is however encouraging to me that my decision to make live brine shrimp every other day in my Zeiss Hatchery was spot on 😁. However Zeiss or @Aquariumcoop needs to double check the specs on their black aquarium tubing and the manufacturer of the included rigid center tube with Zeiss air stone. No Bueno 🧐.
Nice one Alex! I got some BBS freshly hatched in a jar sitting around somewhere, when I have simultaneous batches of fry at the same time I'm excited to try it out. Thanks for sharing, man! Keep it up!
Right on! Let me know how it all goes please.
I know this is an old video and this is probably a stupid question but , what’s the deal with the acorn caps ? Thanks
Not dumb at all. I use them for increasing botanical acids... and tannins for tropical tanks...much like alder cones or almond leaves...only free for me to scavange
@@Fishtory Ima have to give them a try . I’ve got a whole woods full of oak trees !
Thanks Alex, very interesting.
Glad you found it of interest, mate!
I read an old book from 1970 which might have been the first book to mention nutrition loss from freezing, it said like 20-25% loss per freeze. Back then, frozen logistics were not as good, and it was not unusual for an item to be thawed and re-frozen several times before even arriving at the retail outlet. So an additional 20-25% loss each time.
Nowadays they can keep a truck trailer or rail car below zero (-18C) for days or even weeks, and it can still be frozen even if the freezer motor breaks and stops running for like 12-18 hours, which is usually enough time to get it repaired and running again. So yeah, if it stays frozen the whole time like that, then you’re probably just like 25% away from fresh. 👍
So then the first question becomes, in what condition does it arrive at the retail outlet? And does the retailer ever think “bah it doesn’t matter if it thaws cuz it will freeze again real quick” - when actually yes, it’s still another 20-25% loss if it happens once at the retailer. And then another 20-25% if it happens again in the car on the way home….
Very good points... thank you!
My Boesemann rainbows and Congo tetras don't complain when I drop a cube of frozen Artemia in the water
No indeed they wont
Very interesting. The links you wanted to put in the description seem to be missing though.
They're in there now :) I forgot to hyperlink them lol so thanks for telling me!
@@Fishtory Thank you!
Along with the baby brine shrimp if the eggs also goes in the tank, does it harms the baby fishes if they eat them?
It could if they ate a lot of them at once, but a few mixed in with each feeding should be an issue
@@FishtoryThanks
When brine shrimp young hatch they still have yolk. You point out this is when they have most of their nutrition? But later contradict this by saying they are still developing digestive system thus they don’t have omega fats etc. can you clarify?
I’m no expert in shrimp but I had sea monkeys as a kid. The beginning of this vid has a lot of inaccuracies about brine young and their development. Hoping the nutrition part of this video is sound cause I’m too lazy to do the research myself.
So they are born with yolks...they use up to 20% of the yolk energy just to hatch though...so just before hatching is peak energy per gram... they use that yolk within 6 or 8 hours then are devoid of yolk or stomach for the next 28-36 hours...so they will have less nutritional value if you use them in that window (most people feed them before they can eat enrichment minerals, and after the yolk is used up...meaning a lot of chitin and not a ton of protein or nutrition ...comparing to people who feed them within 4 hours of hatching...OR wait until 30+ hours when they get mouths and stomachs that can refill on foods that "gut load" them
Great video being from Florida for 30 years I’ve been in every source of water known to man and have studied very closely with a close eye to see the creatures swimming around not only in the water put in the substrate by taking my hand into the substrate pulling up to the surface and seeing billions and billions of life just moving around on that water or substrate and I try to create this in my tank every time I change my water I shine a light on the bucket of water and you can also see these millions of life forces if you look really close
Right on! I really want to get cultures from all the major rivers and lakes our hobby gets fish from... for that reason...I'm working on it being a reality
@@Fishtory nice 👍🏼 sounds very interesting 🧐🤔 I wonder if there are different microorganisms in different areas and how much it varies
There's some weird dark swimmy dots in my old daphnia/ neocaridina green water I still haven't been able to identify, every time I think I've got them pinned down it's like NOPE. I am going to have to dig my microscope out from the attic at this point I think 🤔
I'm starting a small planted aquarium for artemia, planning to use the old green water of my aquarium and also my tannin water that I got by soaking branches and leaves. I'm also growing some algae in the window. I'm so exited about this project!
I love these little critters, and when I'm researching one, you always happen to have a relevant video haha.
Seriously! Wherever my curiosity takes me in the hobby, Alex has been, lol!!
so in deep as always. :)
Haha sorry i cant help myself
Hi Alex thank you for your video I try and keep a very established amount of brain free ranging and re-populating within my reach systems and every few months I add more when I don’t see very many crawling along on the bottom in my gravel along with copepods which I add every trip to the LFS just like I do with cleanup crew
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Any tips or ideas where I could do further research on different types of food that could be easily grown at home? I'm doing some experiments at home trying to cut food costs and increasing the amount of nutrients rich food to feed my fish. Aim is to try and recreate a ton of different ecosystem in order to support my fish addiction :)
I'm learning more and more about this also, but the Reef magazine article linked below has some good info (aimed at saltwater fish, but the same is true of them as fresh for most things nutritionally). Other than that the info is spread all over... I've done videos on paramecium, Brine shrimp, frozen foods, vinegar eels, white worms waaay back (but I'll redo that). Also fluval bug bites are great for a dry food supplemental. And aquarium coop Fry food is good too. Oh and DTO Japanese fish food is insanely good...buy perishable and pricey.
I'll be making more videos in the next few months too...but honestly you'll have to hunt species by species basically. I feed mosquito larvae and daphnia for 6 months out of the year with just a 20 gallon on the porch, but in warm climates like Cali or Florida/Texas it's great year round for daphnia
Hey Alex! Thx 4 the info, I live near SF & am a huge fan of their frozen foods they produce but where does ‘Ocean Nutrition Instant Baby Brine & Artemia’ line up alongside SF Bay company? Any positive outlooks with this company from your perspective. (Aquariumcoop has them on the site for a whopping $15 for 1.5 million babies). Appreciate ya!
Honestly I do not know. I have more source material than I know what to do with, but perhaps looking up nutrition info on both (Google images if it's not online... that would likely be my next step.)
Excellent vid!!!!
Thank you
Is this also the case for branchonetas?
Yes the whole order of species :)
I just fed my fish 3 different kinds of brine shrimp. No bs 5 min ago. Think youtube was listening through my microphone on my phone. I didn't search or look up brine shrimp. This was the first video in my feed. Hate that bs.
Haha well I'm sorry the world is saying on us...but I'm also glad you stopped by. ✋ welcome.
Would you still recommend feeding frozen brine shrimp / frozen baby brine shrimp, or does frozen still have the same issues as you mentioned in the video?
Frozen baby brine is usually enriched, but it should say "enriched" with vitamins and minerals. They are still a great food source, but technically speaking lb for lb they are 20% less nutritious than live baby hatchlings. So not a huge issue, but worth understanding imo
@@Fishtory thank you - appreciate the quick response.
I see Alex being Santa 🎅 in the near future !!!
Ho ho ho
I am going to try to get my aquarium going with scuds, isopods, copepods, and seed shrimp before adding in fish. I am hoping they provide most of the food. It doesn't make sense to me to add brine shrimp to freshwater aquariums.
Scuds will eat your plants.
I do that exact same thing (if it's a shrimp tank, I don't do scuds usually). But yeah, scuds eat some plants, but they're shy and will stay low usually...eating debris first if any fish are around to scare them at all.
But I use Brine shrimp as a treat and just to increase the speed of growth...but my Fry will survive in any of my seasoned old tanks, without any additives ...they just grow slower
@@Fishtory That is great to hear. I was a little hesitant about trying the scuds. Still debating using them or some variant of shrimp or crayfish. The idea is basically to make a tank that reminds me of where I go fishing. CPD's are the main fish that will be in the tank as miniature brook trout. I wanted something to be the "crayfish" so to speak so I was going to go with scuds or maybe wild type cherry shrimp or a brazos dwarf crayfish. Kind of worried about the crayfish being an escape artist and im not sure they make the best clean up crew either. I'd love to stick to my nature theme but I might just end up going CPD and colorful shrimp. I just became aware of least killifish as well which I might try in the same tank. There even seems to be a golden variety that almost looks like a mini palamino trout.
Any info on keeping thai fairy shrimp cultures going?
Sorry no experience with them yet
It's not just bloodworms - grapes are sprayed with gibberellic acid which makes them take on more water - that's why they are not round - natural grapes should be round - you're paying $2 per pound for something that's 50% water
Oh interesting. Thanks
Alex, look into triops, we raised them when I was a kid, much like we did sea monkey's. But the triops are far more interesting
Yeah! I found some under my microscope, in a few shrimp tanks super cool organisms!
Really cool and interesting
I'd just like to come back after watching this video recently and say a huge thank you for this video, I had probably at least 20 green cory catfish eggs from a mating between our albino female and I don't know if it was one or both of the natural green morphs responsible for fertilization. TBH I don't currently know the gender of the two greens, I'm only certain the albino Icarus is a female because I caught her in the act when I was turning tank lights on for the day. Of course, other then the recent discovery of garneri killifish fry that had been breeding and hatching in the moss "tree" I made for them, I had never had fish eggs so relied on google for a quick emergency setup. This was months ago and I wish I could go back in time because I'm now sitting on a single fry that's growing nicely but I overhatched BBS thinking it'd be easier then daily hatching and managing them but now I think I know why I had that major die off and the only survivor doubled in size in only a few days of being introduced to shrimp pellets, which the parents primarily eat along with the mixed flake and dried bloodworm food that hits the sand from feeding the rest of the tank. Near or 100% hatch rate reduced to one, yeah, I'll take the hit for that major failure but at least I know better next time because, honestly, our local LFS- love 'em btw- but they had their doubts about how many eggs would hatch in the first place, especially knowing I've only delt with breeding livebearers in the past and I wasn't even trying to breed with only three corys so hey, coulda been worse ^^'
Long story short: This video is highly likely to end up saving some future generations of fish in this household from unintentional starvation and also, if you have any better suggestions for feeding live food to newborn and newly hatched fish, I've already looked a few species up that don't sell in any fish store I know of and would love some more in depth info on the pros and cons of them, if you ever want of course. Again, thank you for this extremely valuable information, both me and my fish thank you
Oh right on! For young fish look up my recent paramecium culture guide...you can make one at home and it'll feed any small fish fry for a few weeks. Mosquito larvae or eggs are even better too, vinegar eels and daphnia are the other live foods I recommend highly (and should have videos on both.)
If none of that works, then aquarium coop Fry food powder sometimes works after you get beyond the first 3 or 4 weeks
@@Fishtory Thanks a ton, I'll def look into those since I'm actually trying to get them to spawn again with a little bit extra food to hopefully entice them. I'm not too worried about slight overfeeding as well since I've taken a liking to ghost shrimp and have them in most compatable tanks, and I purposely keep ramshorns and the unidentifed darter fish seems to have eaten one of my bladder snails while i wasn't looking so I've already started sacrificing baby ramshorms to that tank for the extra protein for them so another population explosion just means more food for them. Thanks for replying as well, it means a lot you took the time to directly respond to me and I appreciate it as well as all you're doing for the hobby
I mucked up my last cory egg batch by not being able to get them back on a plant leaf and most ended up squashed or floating (stupid glass!), but the two I successfully got glued back on a leaf hatched beautifully in a natural-esque (it's just gravel, Father Fish would not approve lol) 10g tank, but the undergravel experiment with light stocking- otos, pygmy cories, cherry shrimp- and vast planting seems to be holding up well, and I was surprised, but the two aeneas fry that hatched haven't been fed anything special, besides a dusting of crumbled bugbite flake, and they're growing like Topsy. I'm glad it didn't take special feed.
@@voluntaryismistheanswer ngl I used a tupperware container floated in a little heated 5gal tank to hatch the one cory batch I had, tank has been changed since then though from bare bottom to a little bit of sand and gravel. The eggs were all layed on the tank glass so I had to very carefully roll them off to move them and somehow don't remember crushing any. At least you got a couple successful ones though and good to hear they're doing fine without too much special care. I hope they grow big and strong for ya and future hatchings go better
great info thanks
You've got it