This is an insightful perspective. I believe the ending was supposed to be ambiguous, up to the viewer. That’s the thing with art, it’s so damn subjective.
Thank you again. Yeah, that "room for doubt" keeps you thinking about the story and characters long after you leave the theatre. Sticks with you haunts you and keeps you coming back for more. Subjectivity, the double edged sword film theorists hack a film to pieces with ;)
Wow, dude. We had watched this in a film appreciation class in HS 2005. We unpacked a lot. But it’s just so cool how some films’ layers and can be peeled back so much and still have more to reveal. Masterpiece.
You’re so cool SFC! I’m humbled by your acknowledgment. Thank you. I have to say great job on this video. Before I even got to the end, I was meaning to tell that. I think you nailed it on the ending. I hadn’t put the thunder together with that earlier scene. “Love me, hate me, kill me... just show me your there.” Something like that. But you got it. Thanks for this! Keep up the good work
I'd say Luke retains his faith in the individual and in the daring notion of individual liberty. He was put on the chain gang for defacement of public property while publicly intoxicated which is either a Class A misdemeanor or a Class 4 felony depending on the value of the damaged property. Not sure how much parking meters cost to repair in the early 1950s, but that's not the point. The point is it wasn't a violent crime. And yeah, he wasn't shot for his crime. He was shot for escaping a third time. That means the system told the truth when it promised to kill him, but it also means the system lied, at last to Dragline. And it lied to Dragline just to get Luke out in the open so he could be shot by ol' hollow-eyes, aka "Godfrey." Does Godfrey represent God or Satan, though? In some belief systems, Satan isn't God's adversary, but rather his enforcer. So if the Captain is God the tyrant, then Godfrey is Satan the enforcer, aka Abaddon the angel of destruction. 2:25 / 2:33 So "freedom of religion," which implies "freedom of belief" as a general concept, is basically malarkey under this totalitarian system. Also notice how the ignorant hilljack assumes that because someone is good-looking that automatically means they have the same belief system as said hilljack. 3:00 Here's a question that rarely gets asked: Why should the oppressed worship the same "g0d" as their oppressors? 4:55 Three words: Tomas de Torquemada. Sure, the Captain pales in comparison to Tomas when it comes to the business of tyranny, but it's the same principle.
A considered and informed piece put together really well. Great work. I think films, when they touch on religion, are the better when gently touching and leaving open to interpretation. Religion is such a personal and subjective issue in life that it is uncomfortable if a film presses a specific narrative. Great work and I will check out more of your work
Extremely thought provoking! I will watch again and think my way through this. It tends to suggest that the human part of Jesus may well have traveled a similar journey of doubting--or at least questioning--his Father God. Doesn't get more evident than "My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?" I must say that it is a habit of the best artists that they tend to be humble about their own abilities. While you question my calling you a craftsman, your work consistently demonstrates it. Yes, this is much more evident in your later takes on CHL, but the seeds are there in the carwash analysis as well. Would you consider dialoguing in a different manner, or is this your preference? It is rare for me to find someone who thinks in the complex/connected way that I do!
You are very kind. I always write a script for my videos, can't work well without one! A lot of work goes into editing the script to present the information as logically and clearly as I can. More work still goes into editing the footage! When you say doing dialogue differently, could you elaborate more on that please? I am open to suggestion.... What can I say, great minds think alike I guess! ;)
I was thinking e-mail or Facebook, my most typical modes of communication. I have a talented painter acquaintance now from Hamburg, GA, and a friend in Budapest, Hungary that I video converse with.
I don’t think you touched on this but, Lucas in Latin is Lucifer. Even under the watchful eyes of the guards. He is still about to create rebellion, and give others the knowledge, that they can choose their own path as well. Even encouraging them to do so, but, like most messiahs his message is misinterpreted. A failed to communicate, if you will.
Ok all religious themes aside. I don’t really understand the character. He had about 2 years in prison but ends up dying because of his need to defy authority. So what was the point? Did he have a death wish or something? When you remove all the religious stuff. The movie doesn’t make much sense. Luke would rather rebel and continue to escape knowing it will eventually get him killed. Rather than serve his short prison sentence and be free again? If he was given 20 years I can understand his escape attempts. But all the torture he endured and and being killed for what? What point was he trying to make? Just that he doesn’t like authority?
Great questions. I refer you to my second and third videos on the film CHL. My video on the book is worth a watch but I think that you should definitely read the book. Please ask if you have more questions afterwards...
luke was not interested in being free in the conventional sense. he lacked any meaning and direction in his life. since before finding his faith, nothing really mattered, he was more interested in doing what he wanted right in the moment because even if he got out in two years, he wouldn't have known what he was gonna do with himself, anyway
It's very interesting. But, you left out his last words to God, Which were, "I guess you're a hard case too." It's almost as though he now has an understanding of God.
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This is an insightful perspective. I believe the ending was supposed to be ambiguous, up to the viewer. That’s the thing with art, it’s so damn subjective.
Thank you again.
Yeah, that "room for doubt" keeps you thinking about the story and characters long after you leave the theatre.
Sticks with you haunts you and keeps you coming back for more.
Subjectivity, the double edged sword film theorists hack a film to pieces with ;)
Wow, dude. We had watched this in a film appreciation class in HS 2005. We unpacked a lot. But it’s just so cool how some films’ layers and can be peeled back so much and still have more to reveal. Masterpiece.
You’re so cool SFC! I’m humbled by your acknowledgment. Thank you. I have to say great job on this video. Before I even got to the end, I was meaning to tell that. I think you nailed it on the ending. I hadn’t put the thunder together with that earlier scene. “Love me, hate me, kill me... just show me your there.” Something like that. But you got it. Thanks for this! Keep up the good work
The thanks go to you.
Without your comments, this video may never have been made!
I'd say Luke retains his faith in the individual and in the daring notion of individual liberty. He was put on the chain gang for defacement of public property while publicly intoxicated which is either a Class A misdemeanor or a Class 4 felony depending on the value of the damaged property. Not sure how much parking meters cost to repair in the early 1950s, but that's not the point. The point is it wasn't a violent crime. And yeah, he wasn't shot for his crime. He was shot for escaping a third time. That means the system told the truth when it promised to kill him, but it also means the system lied, at last to Dragline. And it lied to Dragline just to get Luke out in the open so he could be shot by ol' hollow-eyes, aka "Godfrey." Does Godfrey represent God or Satan, though? In some belief systems, Satan isn't God's adversary, but rather his enforcer. So if the Captain is God the tyrant, then Godfrey is Satan the enforcer, aka Abaddon the angel of destruction.
2:25 / 2:33 So "freedom of religion," which implies "freedom of belief" as a general concept, is basically malarkey under this totalitarian system. Also notice how the ignorant hilljack assumes that because someone is good-looking that automatically means they have the same belief system as said hilljack.
3:00 Here's a question that rarely gets asked: Why should the oppressed worship the same "g0d" as their oppressors?
4:55 Three words: Tomas de Torquemada. Sure, the Captain pales in comparison to Tomas when it comes to the business of tyranny, but it's the same principle.
A considered and informed piece put together really well. Great work. I think films, when they touch on religion, are the better when gently touching and leaving open to interpretation.
Religion is such a personal and subjective issue in life that it is uncomfortable if a film presses a specific narrative. Great work and I will check out more of your work
Extremely thought provoking! I will watch again and think my way through this. It tends to suggest that the human part of Jesus may well have traveled a similar journey of doubting--or at least questioning--his Father God. Doesn't get more evident than "My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?" I must say that it is a habit of the best artists that they tend to be humble about their own abilities. While you question my calling you a craftsman, your work consistently demonstrates it. Yes, this is much more evident in your later takes on CHL, but the seeds are there in the carwash analysis as well. Would you consider dialoguing in a different manner, or is this your preference? It is rare for me to find someone who thinks in the complex/connected way that I do!
You are very kind.
I always write a script for my videos, can't work well without one!
A lot of work goes into editing the script to present the information as logically and clearly as I can.
More work still goes into editing the footage!
When you say doing dialogue differently, could you elaborate more on that please?
I am open to suggestion....
What can I say, great minds think alike I guess! ;)
I was thinking e-mail or Facebook, my most typical modes of communication. I have a talented painter acquaintance now from Hamburg, GA, and a friend in Budapest, Hungary that I video converse with.
Check the description, emails fine.
I don’t think you touched on this but,
Lucas in Latin is Lucifer.
Even under the watchful eyes of the guards.
He is still about to create rebellion, and give others the knowledge, that they can choose their own path as well.
Even encouraging them to do so, but, like most messiahs his message is misinterpreted.
A failed to communicate, if you will.
Ok all religious themes aside.
I don’t really understand the character.
He had about 2 years in prison but ends up dying because of his need to defy authority.
So what was the point?
Did he have a death wish or something?
When you remove all the religious stuff.
The movie doesn’t make much sense.
Luke would rather rebel and continue to escape knowing it will eventually get him killed.
Rather than serve his short prison sentence and be free again?
If he was given 20 years I can understand his escape attempts.
But all the torture he endured and and being killed for what?
What point was he trying to make?
Just that he doesn’t like authority?
Great questions.
I refer you to my second and third videos on the film CHL.
My video on the book is worth a watch but I think that you should definitely read the book.
Please ask if you have more questions afterwards...
luke was not interested in being free in the conventional sense. he lacked any meaning and direction in his life. since before finding his faith, nothing really mattered, he was more interested in doing what he wanted right in the moment because even if he got out in two years, he wouldn't have known what he was gonna do with himself, anyway
Check out another RUclips video - Luke as a representative of Stoicism.
Luke desperately wants to believe, and some, inescapable part of him does. He’s just begging for a reason to
It's very interesting. But, you left out his last words to God, Which were, "I guess you're a hard case too." It's almost as though he now has an understanding of God.
"Just standing in the rain...talkin to myself".
Maybe he's saying that he is God?
I agree
Dark matter for the win