Vehicle on vehicle combat is actually becoming more common. In avdiivka there has been 4 times on video when Ukraine has sent out a vehicle to take out a russian vehicle and it's usually because there isn't a tank around so they roll up and wreck whatever is the target. The first was with the 1st tank brigade and a UA tank took out 4 BTR, the second was recently with the khorne group where a UA tank hit and damaged a russian tank then the last 2 times were with the 47th when a Bradley destroyed 3 MT-LBs in the night and then the next day a Bradley destroyed a BMP-2 that was trying to leave the scene.
@@InfiniteMemes777 "This one is from may tho". I don't see the relevance of this to the OP at all - @brookwhiteman9810 merely pointed out that vehicle v vehicle combat is perhaps becoming more common, and gave some examples to back this up. Also Suchomimus very clearly stated that the footage in the clip was from an incident in May.
Great shot. The sabot round is not tipped with Tungsten or DU- it IS tungsten or DU. As well, those are not 'shell casings", it's the sabot petals. As well, the ammunition did not detonate. The fire is the propellant burning. Turret tosses come from the detonation of ammunition.
@@powerjets3512 It's a purely kinetic round, the speed x the mass equals massive energy. it is much smaller than the tank barrel so is encased in sabots (literally = shoes) which protect the "penetrator" (the dart) from the barrel and visa versa and ensure that all the energy from the propellant is transferred to the round - that is their only job and once they leave the end of the barrel they fall off (DS = Discarding Sabot) Any explosion is down to the shells and fuel in the target, a depleted uranium round will pass right through a heavy tank and out the other side BUT the pressure wave it creates instantly kills the occupants - there is NOTHING to do with radiation, Tungsten is not radioactive and works the same; Depleted Uranium is used because it is harder and CHEAP - Natural Uranium contains very little of the active isotope used in power plants - it is refined to give Enriched Uranium and the waste is pretty harmless - depleted uranium (Often used as ballast in commercial aircraft) (BTW the word Sabotage is from the same root - Weavers would throw their shoes/wooden clogs into the 'new' automatic looms to break them after losing their jobs when manual looms were replaced)
Yeah this dude can show videos of what's going on, but he sure AF can't explain it. Last video I watched he didn't understand what a parabolic curve was.
Excellent upload Sucho - thanks!! I particularly enjoy the exchanges in the comments; I do not know any detail of how these things actually work and your diagram and the comments that follow are excellent. We love your work Jack!
thanks, very nice to hear. I always learn something new reading the comments too! Glad you enjoyed it. Hope the weather isn't getting too cold over there? Had the first chilly day of winter here in Taiwan. I had to wear a coat for the first time this year
@@suchomimus9921 Yes, you've got some well-informed subscribers! Cold? Not here! Not yet anyway! El Niño and Global Warming = mild Winter (but brutal Forest Fire Season!)
Unfortunately the Ukrainian T-64 tanks have no thermal optics, which is a huge disadvantage over the modernized Russian T-72s, which all have thermal optics for at least the gunner (not great thermal optics but still, even less good thermal optics make a huge difference). Edit: It seems my info is wrong, please ignore it!
@@agentorange9867 T-72 is a cheaper, worse derivative of T-64 (so-called mobilization version for wartime production) and T-80 (especially T-80UD) is an improved T-64.
The T-64 is actually better, at least initially. The Soviets designed the T-72 to be the cheaper, more numerous counterpart of the T-64 for overseas export to client states, while the T-64 itself would be limited to the USSR. Of course, that is not necessarily the same today - a T-72 can easily be superior to the T-64 depending on what upgrades it got.
What falls off the round in flight is not the shell casing - this gets mostly burned up in the process of firing the round (T-64 casings are semi combustible) but a sabot - it even says so on the picture you showed. That's why it's called "discarding sabot" and not "discarding casing" :)
I'm glad you pointed out the "petals" of the of the sabot round striking the ground in front of the Ukranian tank. As a former US tanker, we were taught to be aware of friendly infantry positions to the front of our position for just that reason when firing sabot. FYI Sabot is the French word for boot and it refers to the petals that surround the penetrator.
A Sabo Is a French clog- They(The French) used to use them to jam up and destroy machinery and that's where the word sabotage came from if I'm remembering it correctly.
I used the term "BOOT" as that was the word the instructor at the United States Army Armor School used in 1981 when I attended. He too was unaware of the nuance of the French language. I subsequently worked for 10 years in France with a French firm in the late 1990's to 2000's. It was then I learned that the French do not pronounce all the letters so the "t" in Sabot is silent. For example, a Paris exit off the A6 reads "Les Halles" which is pronounced "Lay All". I apologize to all you wonderful French speakers out there. You are as they say in France, "tres con".
I asked if Ukrainian fighters needed portable, gas powered heaters in the front lines. Some people said the, "heat register," would make them targets. What about those break apart chemical pocket warmers? Could we start a fundraiser for that? I want the Ukrainian soldiers to be warm and alert, not in a frozen stupor like the Russians.
Heat signatures, and minimizing/disguising them, is certainly always a concern when facing an enemy with thermal sights and/or heat-seeking ammo (though heat-seeking munitions tend to be focused on heat exhaust from engines on combat vehicles, which is much higher than typical human body-temp). At the same time, as you note, humans need external heat to survive cold environments, so it tends to be a trade-off. Anything that gives less of an obvious heat/light/smoke signature than your bog-standard campfire is probably a step-up, which would include gas-powered or sterno or kerosene heaters, which also tend to be somewhat more directional and efficient in the output of their energy. But the chem heaters (including the "limitedly-reusable" ones you can "reset" by boiling in water) and/or rechargeable battery-powered "in-clothing" heaters would probably be even better, as the surrounding insulating clothing disguises the energy signature and the heaters are also a good covert option for heat in situations where a fire would be a death-sentence (eg. hiding in hidden positions). I'd probably consult the Ukrainians themselves first, though. They're the ones with the best knowledge of their needs here, especially as this isn't the first winter they've been fighting this conflict. It could even be that heat is less of a concern for them right now than insulating materials with which to preserve heat in shelters while also disguising the existence of the shelters via minimizing "leaked" heat. In any case, good on you for seeking to help those defending democracy for us all!
From a logistics standpoint they're much much better off with diesel powered heaters. Yes they smell a bit, but diesel is already an inventory item. That's why they also don't like gasoline generators. The army simply doesn't have it.
Cannon balls used to be a lose fit so they used wood as wadding behind the ball any old bits of wood were used even old clogs. The french word for clog is sabot. The shell case stays in the tank. The bits on the ground are the discarded sabot. The rod penetrator is not tipped with tungsten or DU, it's all heavy metal. Thank you as usual. I'm enjoying the book.
1:55 Ah, the eye of Sauron 🎯 well done 👏🏽 And thanks for the explanation here (with diagram!). Often see smoke and such all over the place with no understanding of what's going on 👍🏽
Those small impacts along the projectile's path are not shell casings. Those are the sabot petals. Those are literally the "DS" part of "APFSDS." The sabots around the penetrator fall away discarded.
What I don't understand is why there would be puffs of smoke generated by the sabot petals striking the ground, see about 28 seconds on the video. Maybe the shock wave from the dart set off some small mines along it's path and that's what generated the smoke?
Why state what is already explained in the video? Kinda dumb. He even showed how the shell casings are discarded and hit the ground. The word petal is no more accurate than shell casings, that penetrator has shit around it that is discarded en route.
@@morrisgI think it unlikely shock waves would set off “small mines”. The shock waves from the discarding sabot bits wouldn’t make much of a shock wave but they would be extremely hot, being hot they may have heated the grass to ignition point and what we’re seeing is a mix of steam (water in the grass stems) and singed grass which is too green to burn but will smoke if hot enough. Slow it down to .25 speed and watch carefully at around 0:48 , a mortar round goes off at the Ukraine’s 3 o’clock about 20m away, then he fires and two puffs of steam/smoke arise. I’m just guessing of course but can’t imagine how else this phenomenon could happen.
@@tonyennis1787 The British already did for the Challengers, and I suspect the Abrams Ukraine has received are provided DU as well. (no point in not doing it now) The Germans didn't provide DU ammo, as they don't use it (they shoot tungsten), I have no idea what other Leopard users provided. Leopards can shoot American DU ammo. Russian tank ammo is all tungsten if I recall, purely done from a cost standpoint. Ukraine inherited this from the Soviets.
@@GARDENER42 Tungsten is the drawback of not producing 'after armor effects' Staballoy (the projectiles are an alloy of depleted uranium and molybdenum) breaks apart onto white hot pea sized fragments as it penetrates armor (this also means that the tip of the projectile is 'self-sharpening' as it passes through the armor. This alloy also has the benefit of retaining hardness and toughness at very high temperatures. So these fragments penetrate protective spall liners over ammunition.
I was gonna include one and illustrations, but I blew a bit on cover artists who failed to provide a cover. So didn't wanna sink more money. I may do one myself, as I think it would help. I've started work on Book 2 now--not a direct sequel, it is about Majungasaurus, the cannibal dinosaur.
But what about that explosion with black smoke just a short distance in front of and and to the right of the T-64 just before it fires? Or for that matter the white smoke already directly in front of the T-64. Any chance the T-72 was disabled but still actively firing begfore being finished off with a second round?
The T-64 is so good it's almost cheating. How fortunate of Ukraine to be the sole producer and afterwards receiving nation. The T-64 is the only former Soviet equipment that was feared by us NATO Tankers.
T-80 is better, it has much better engine which makes it more maneuverable. Don't know much about T-90 (the improvement on t-72 made in latter stage of soviets and then carried by russia), but I suppose it is also better. T-64 is very limited by the fact that its engine is already at the brink of what can be squeezed out of such small space. More powerful and more advanced engines cannot fit in the space where the 'suitcase' (as tankers call the 5TDF engine) fits. The armor, the turret, the ERA - everything is just on the very fine margin, even a bit more weight and the engine won't be able to carry that beast anymore.
Excellent! Any that thought this appalling,... you've got it wrong, it's "a-spalling we will go". Get it right, OK? I've always liked that round, great design.
Well, if you want it for your museum . . . Or - like most Russian tanks they are intended more to keep the civilian population from overthrowing a dictator more than anything else.
Suchomimus, I saw this joke on @Kyle Kill's community page and *had* to share it with ya: *I TWISTED MY ANKLE* *YESTERDAY, SO TODAY* *MY __ __ It's a dad-joke for sure, and I hope the fact I couldn't actually post an image of it, doesn't detract *_too_* much! 😅
I am confused- My understanding is that the m829a2 is 120mm but the T-62's standard barrel is 115mm. Was m829a2 given as an example of a Sabot round, or has Ukraine upgraded its T-62s to 120mm barrels that can fire rounds like the m829a2?
the tank in the video is a t-64 that uses a 125mm main gun. And it fired two piect ammunition where the projectile and propellent are loaded separately while ammo for NATO standard 120mm guns is a 'unitary' round there the propellant, casing, and projectile come as one unit.
@@colincampbell767 Thanks very much. The T-64 has an interesting Ukrainian history (wikipedia has a nice write up). How fitting that a variant built in Kharkiv would be used to defend Ukraine against the invaders.
Or Ukrainian domestic production. Perhaps the darts are the same as the 120mm NATO variant, and Ukraine just fabricates a different sabot. At this point it's almost impossible to tell who makes what, where, how and when.
@@andersjjensen The projectile for a US sabot is so long it goes all the way to the back of the casing. (Rule of thumb for armor penetration is that the length of the projectile is roughly equal to its armor penetration.)
I believe what you’re seeing is that the Russian soldiers are inexperienced and being thrown into battle without sufficient training. Your seeing the drain of fully trained operators being depleted.
I was appalled at the ineptness of the Russian tank crews from the day they first invaded. I don't think that Russia ever had what we would consider to be a 'fully-trained' tank crew. (And US tank crews are never 'fully trained.' Because by the time you finish a complete training cycle - it's time to go back to the beginning and start all over again.)
1:40 that's not what an APFSDS does. When it penetrates, it fills the tank with superheated plasma (by definition, I suppose) that sets everything in the tank ablaze. This insanely hot gas also over-pressurizes the tank, killing everything that wasn't already killed. Then everything not tied down can get blown through the hole(s) left by the sabot due to the overpressure. The spalling is the least of the crew's worries.
This tank had it's tracks blown off by a mine, and probably had the engine cooked too. That doesn't prevent Russia from dragging it back to the depot and using 3 damaged tanks to build a functional one. One well placed hit prevented them from retrieving as much as a headlight bulb from it.
Russia has about the same GDP as Italy. Russia is the one who can't afford this to drag out. Their current strategy is to make the West belive it is not "winnable" so we stop supporting Ukraine, which is a very bold gamble on their part. Ukraine's allies can, for just %0.1 of their GDP each, outspend Russia's entire national budget. It's not even a question if Ukraine can be given enough kit to kick Russia out. It's only a matter of political will.
In the video, the T-72 destroys the T-64 or T-72m1.* the t-64 (in full video) was knocked out from the trench, and the t-72 finished it off. Also in the full video, after the destruction of the T-64, there were 3 shots fired at the T-72 (2 - RPG, 1 - ATGM), but all missed.
Both tanks have the same gun, and are probably even firing the same ammunition. T-72B3 has newer rounds technically available, but has been using the same Soviet era stuff Ukraine has available throughout the invasion. Originally, the T-64 had much better fire control than the T-72, though by the T-72B3 I think they're about equal. Both may or may not have thermals, irrespective of variant. Armor protection is about the same, T-64 started out better, T-72 was upgraded first, but they've both been updated to about the same standards.
@@SgtBeltfedmost stupid comment in existence. The T-72’s composite arrays are decades better than the T-64’s old textolite sandwiches, coupled with Kontakt-5 ERA and better mobility and it’s not even close
F them. They had 3 decades to prepare their military for this and they did jack-sh*t and now expect the whole western world (mainly us in America) to fund them. This should serve as a lesson to them: in time of peace, prepare for war. Guess they were too busy being the most corrupt country in europe to bother spending money on military/defense
Vehicle on vehicle combat is actually becoming more common. In avdiivka there has been 4 times on video when Ukraine has sent out a vehicle to take out a russian vehicle and it's usually because there isn't a tank around so they roll up and wreck whatever is the target. The first was with the 1st tank brigade and a UA tank took out 4 BTR, the second was recently with the khorne group where a UA tank hit and damaged a russian tank then the last 2 times were with the 47th when a Bradley destroyed 3 MT-LBs in the night and then the next day a Bradley destroyed a BMP-2 that was trying to leave the scene.
Wait, there is a group in Ukraine called "Khorne group"?
Love how cultured these guys are with the Warhammer references
Yeah its getting pretty wild out there with the vehicle footage, scary when they're getting into sword swinging range!
@@andarara-c1p I saw one video (either from the same group or a new on) being watermarked as "MILLSTONES OF KHORNE"
This one is from may tho
@@InfiniteMemes777 "This one is from may tho". I don't see the relevance of this to the OP at all - @brookwhiteman9810 merely pointed out that vehicle v vehicle combat is perhaps becoming more common, and gave some examples to back this up. Also Suchomimus very clearly stated that the footage in the clip was from an incident in May.
I don't mind getting an "oldie but goodie". Thanks for the upload.
Great shot.
The sabot round is not tipped with Tungsten or DU- it IS tungsten or DU. As well, those are not 'shell casings", it's the sabot petals.
As well, the ammunition did not detonate. The fire is the propellant burning. Turret tosses come from the detonation of ammunition.
Of course petals not pedals :) I suspect the spellchecker did its magic :)
How do the fins not get damaged inside the exploding shell?
@@powerjets3512 It's a purely kinetic round, the speed x the mass equals massive energy. it is much smaller than the tank barrel so is encased in sabots (literally = shoes) which protect the "penetrator" (the dart) from the barrel and visa versa and ensure that all the energy from the propellant is transferred to the round - that is their only job and once they leave the end of the barrel they fall off (DS = Discarding Sabot)
Any explosion is down to the shells and fuel in the target, a depleted uranium round will pass right through a heavy tank and out the other side BUT the pressure wave it creates instantly kills the occupants - there is NOTHING to do with radiation, Tungsten is not radioactive and works the same; Depleted Uranium is used because it is harder and CHEAP - Natural Uranium contains very little of the active isotope used in power plants - it is refined to give Enriched Uranium and the waste is pretty harmless - depleted uranium (Often used as ballast in commercial aircraft)
(BTW the word Sabotage is from the same root - Weavers would throw their shoes/wooden clogs into the 'new' automatic looms to break them after losing their jobs when manual looms were replaced)
Yeah this dude can show videos of what's going on, but he sure AF can't explain it. Last video I watched he didn't understand what a parabolic curve was.
@@andrewgray1949 Thanks for such a detailed explanation... 💯💯💯💯💯
Absolutely incredible footage
Good darts!
Slava Ukraini! 💙💛
I didn't even know those types of shells existed. You learn something new every day.
Excellent upload Sucho - thanks!!
I particularly enjoy the exchanges in the comments; I do not know any detail of how these things actually work and your diagram and the comments that follow are excellent.
We love your work Jack!
thanks, very nice to hear. I always learn something new reading the comments too! Glad you enjoyed it. Hope the weather isn't getting too cold over there?
Had the first chilly day of winter here in Taiwan. I had to wear a coat for the first time this year
@@suchomimus9921 idem for me: I live in the Canary Islands and since yesterday I have been in Belgium = 20°C less ! 🥶
@@suchomimus9921 Yes, you've got some well-informed subscribers!
Cold? Not here! Not yet anyway! El Niño and Global Warming = mild Winter (but brutal Forest Fire Season!)
@@suchomimus9921. Great report - thanks for all you do to keep us updated 🙏 🇺🇦 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 🇬🇧
That's just Ukrainians playing a friendly game of lawn darts with their invaders, I mean neighbors?😳😊
Were any orcs harmed in the making of this video?
Don't be fooled by the lower number of the T 64. It is at least as good as a T 72
T-64 is just a more mechanically flawed t-80, t-72 is the biggest piece of junk here.
Unfortunately the Ukrainian T-64 tanks have no thermal optics, which is a huge disadvantage over the modernized Russian T-72s, which all have thermal optics for at least the gunner (not great thermal optics but still, even less good thermal optics make a huge difference).
Edit:
It seems my info is wrong, please ignore it!
@@a564-c3q bulats have thermal imagers, plus i think most of bv 2017s were equipped with one, also not every modernised t-72 has a thermal imager.
@@agentorange9867 T-72 is a cheaper, worse derivative of T-64 (so-called mobilization version for wartime production) and T-80 (especially T-80UD) is an improved T-64.
The T-64 is actually better, at least initially. The Soviets designed the T-72 to be the cheaper, more numerous counterpart of the T-64 for overseas export to client states, while the T-64 itself would be limited to the USSR.
Of course, that is not necessarily the same today - a T-72 can easily be superior to the T-64 depending on what upgrades it got.
What falls off the round in flight is not the shell casing - this gets mostly burned up in the process of firing the round (T-64 casings are semi combustible) but a sabot - it even says so on the picture you showed. That's why it's called "discarding sabot" and not "discarding casing" :)
I'm glad you pointed out the "petals" of the of the sabot round striking the ground in front of the Ukranian tank. As a former US tanker, we were taught to be aware of friendly infantry positions to the front of our position for just that reason when firing sabot. FYI Sabot is the French word for boot and it refers to the petals that surround the penetrator.
The French work for boot is botte. A sabot is a heavy leather or wooden shoe and is pronounced SaBo, as in sabotage.
A Sabo Is a French clog- They(The French) used to use them to jam up and destroy machinery and that's where the word sabotage came from if I'm remembering it correctly.
I used the term "BOOT" as that was the word the instructor at the United States Army Armor School used in 1981 when I attended. He too was unaware of the nuance of the French language. I subsequently worked for 10 years in France with a French firm in the late 1990's to 2000's. It was then I learned that the French do not pronounce all the letters so the "t" in Sabot is silent. For example, a Paris exit off the A6 reads "Les Halles" which is pronounced "Lay All". I apologize to all you wonderful French speakers out there. You are as they say in France, "tres con".
*"Retire Khuilo" war ends.*
Thousands of years of evolution and we are back to using arrows.
Though the 'bow' has gained a bit of weight it seems.
lol, very arrow like. A level 100 arrow.
Arrow 2+ of rank slaying
@@wishusknight3009 Not sure there is a bow able to shoot that arrow
@@suchomimus9921 Kills T 90s as well as dragons
Thanks for the explanation of the sabot round discards. I thought it had passed through a tree trunk or some other standing debris.
Then later in this footage T-64 dodged 3 atgms. T-72 was hit by at mine previously.
good shout out,i rember now cause of the Zig Zag trench system.
it's that icnident? I vaguely remember it.
@@suchomimus9921 i rember as i was that suprised on the effort of that trench system,very textbook.
@@suchomimus9921 Look for this archive_footage_may_5_2023_ukrainian_tank. sorry cant post a link
@@trigger1471 The Russians are digging some nice trenches there.
I asked if Ukrainian fighters needed portable, gas powered heaters in the front lines. Some people said the, "heat register," would make them targets. What about those break apart chemical pocket warmers? Could we start a fundraiser for that? I want the Ukrainian soldiers to be warm and alert, not in a frozen stupor like the Russians.
Heat signatures, and minimizing/disguising them, is certainly always a concern when facing an enemy with thermal sights and/or heat-seeking ammo (though heat-seeking munitions tend to be focused on heat exhaust from engines on combat vehicles, which is much higher than typical human body-temp). At the same time, as you note, humans need external heat to survive cold environments, so it tends to be a trade-off. Anything that gives less of an obvious heat/light/smoke signature than your bog-standard campfire is probably a step-up, which would include gas-powered or sterno or kerosene heaters, which also tend to be somewhat more directional and efficient in the output of their energy. But the chem heaters (including the "limitedly-reusable" ones you can "reset" by boiling in water) and/or rechargeable battery-powered "in-clothing" heaters would probably be even better, as the surrounding insulating clothing disguises the energy signature and the heaters are also a good covert option for heat in situations where a fire would be a death-sentence (eg. hiding in hidden positions).
I'd probably consult the Ukrainians themselves first, though. They're the ones with the best knowledge of their needs here, especially as this isn't the first winter they've been fighting this conflict. It could even be that heat is less of a concern for them right now than insulating materials with which to preserve heat in shelters while also disguising the existence of the shelters via minimizing "leaked" heat. In any case, good on you for seeking to help those defending democracy for us all!
@@michaelccozens Make some "heat signature" decoys?
From a logistics standpoint they're much much better off with diesel powered heaters. Yes they smell a bit, but diesel is already an inventory item. That's why they also don't like gasoline generators. The army simply doesn't have it.
Warm bodies already show up in the infrared (heat) wavelength.
@@michaelccozens And there are hand-sized hand warmers that run on unleaded gasoline.
That definitely upgrades the T-64.
Cannon balls used to be a lose fit so they used wood as wadding behind the ball any old bits of wood were used even old clogs. The french word for clog is sabot. The shell case stays in the tank. The bits on the ground are the discarded sabot. The rod penetrator is not tipped with tungsten or DU, it's all heavy metal. Thank you as usual. I'm enjoying the book.
War thunder more canon than ever
"br does not matter"
That’s what they call a bullseye
Thank you good sir
The Forbidden lawn dart
1:55 Ah, the eye of Sauron 🎯 well done 👏🏽
And thanks for the explanation here (with diagram!). Often see smoke and such all over the place with no understanding of what's going on 👍🏽
Those small impacts along the projectile's path are not shell casings. Those are the sabot petals. Those are literally the "DS" part of "APFSDS."
The sabots around the penetrator fall away discarded.
What I don't understand is why there would be puffs of smoke generated by the sabot petals striking the ground, see about 28 seconds on the video. Maybe the shock wave from the dart set off some small mines along it's path and that's what generated the smoke?
That is what the video said, maybe exact terms were not right, but it was obvious from the video ref images.
Why state what is already explained in the video? Kinda dumb. He even showed how the shell casings are discarded and hit the ground. The word petal is no more accurate than shell casings, that penetrator has shit around it that is discarded en route.
@@morrisgI think it unlikely shock waves would set off “small mines”. The shock waves from the discarding sabot bits wouldn’t make much of a shock wave but they would be extremely hot, being hot they may have heated the grass to ignition point and what we’re seeing is a mix of steam (water in the grass stems) and singed grass which is too green to burn but will smoke if hot enough. Slow it down to .25 speed and watch carefully at around 0:48 , a mortar round goes off at the Ukraine’s 3 o’clock about 20m away, then he fires and two puffs of steam/smoke arise. I’m just guessing of course but can’t imagine how else this phenomenon could happen.
@@teeanahera8949 Those were the sabot petals hitting. I've seen this effect at least a couple of hundred times during gunnery.
Note the rod itself is all tungsten alloy or DU, not just tipped.
cheers--source I read would be wrong. I double checked and others say all tungsten. Cool.
Are we sending DU to Ukraine?
@@tonyennis1787 The British already did for the Challengers, and I suspect the Abrams Ukraine has received are provided DU as well. (no point in not doing it now)
The Germans didn't provide DU ammo, as they don't use it (they shoot tungsten), I have no idea what other Leopard users provided. Leopards can shoot American DU ammo.
Russian tank ammo is all tungsten if I recall, purely done from a cost standpoint. Ukraine inherited this from the Soviets.
@@tonyennis1787 No, just tungsten but the difference is minimal regarding penetration.
@@GARDENER42 Tungsten is the drawback of not producing 'after armor effects' Staballoy (the projectiles are an alloy of depleted uranium and molybdenum) breaks apart onto white hot pea sized fragments as it penetrates armor (this also means that the tip of the projectile is 'self-sharpening' as it passes through the armor. This alloy also has the benefit of retaining hardness and toughness at very high temperatures. So these fragments penetrate protective spall liners over ammunition.
Sabots work. But for a T-72 a day old crumpet would brew its tea.
thanks for posting
Excellent post
APFSDS cuts through like a knife in hot butter. That's one hell of a barbeque .
Yeay, Book arrived. Interesting vid as always.
awesome, hope you enjoy the book! And glad you enjoyed the video
The round is also known as the IYERI round or the In Your Ear Rashist Invader round.
Hey Sucho! Great video as always! Question about your book, do you plan on making a field guide ir map of the island?
I was gonna include one and illustrations, but I blew a bit on cover artists who failed to provide a cover. So didn't wanna sink more money.
I may do one myself, as I think it would help. I've started work on Book 2 now--not a direct sequel, it is about Majungasaurus, the cannibal dinosaur.
@@suchomimus9921 Awesome!!! I look forward to it!
@@suchomimus9921 A companion coloring book would help people visualize the different species. Darn those cover artists.
Big fancy darts ,,,very cool
the red eye was a nice touch.
But what about that explosion with black smoke just a short distance in front of and and to the right of the T-64 just before it fires? Or for that matter the white smoke already directly in front of the T-64. Any chance the T-72 was disabled but still actively firing begfore being finished off with a second round?
ONE HUNDERD AND EIGHTY!
Cela réchauffe le coeur ❤
The T-64 is so good it's almost cheating. How fortunate of Ukraine to be the sole producer and afterwards receiving nation. The T-64 is the only former Soviet equipment that was feared by us NATO Tankers.
Ignorance is bliss
T-80 is better, it has much better engine which makes it more maneuverable. Don't know much about T-90 (the improvement on t-72 made in latter stage of soviets and then carried by russia), but I suppose it is also better.
T-64 is very limited by the fact that its engine is already at the brink of what can be squeezed out of such small space. More powerful and more advanced engines cannot fit in the space where the 'suitcase' (as tankers call the 5TDF engine) fits. The armor, the turret, the ERA - everything is just on the very fine margin, even a bit more weight and the engine won't be able to carry that beast anymore.
Dude, the T-64 sucks and has for a long time. Its no match for any modern MBT
En Reddit esta el video completo, el t64 dispara dos veces con HIT y la tercera con flecha.
The unsleeping Eye (of Putin!)
Excellent! Any that thought this appalling,... you've got it wrong, it's "a-spalling we will go". Get it right, OK? I've always liked that round, great design.
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Wow, this is the modern version of archery :D
Vlad called and said for sure that’ll buff out 😂😂
You CAN teach an old dog new tricks.
Clarity is all that matters. Dating is another thing.
Geez those Russian tanks are shocking. Every time, the ammo goes off.
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Very interesting bit of ammunition there.
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Imagine what the sectional density of that dart is.
Appropriate Sauron flag for the Orcs.
Why any country would ever buy another designed Russian tank or piece of kit after seeing its performance in combat?
Well, if you want it for your museum . . . Or - like most Russian tanks they are intended more to keep the civilian population from overthrowing a dictator more than anything else.
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Suchomimus, I saw this joke on @Kyle Kill's community page and *had* to share it with ya:
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It's a dad-joke for sure, and I hope the fact I couldn't actually post an image of it, doesn't detract *_too_* much! 😅
It's easier to call it just sabot rounds.
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1650 m/s Mango is deadly 🥭
Putin doesn't like Ukraine having trees.
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I am confused- My understanding is that the m829a2 is 120mm but the T-62's standard barrel is 115mm. Was m829a2 given as an example of a Sabot round, or has Ukraine upgraded its T-62s to 120mm barrels that can fire rounds like the m829a2?
the tank in the video is a t-64 that uses a 125mm main gun. And it fired two piect ammunition where the projectile and propellent are loaded separately while ammo for NATO standard 120mm guns is a 'unitary' round there the propellant, casing, and projectile come as one unit.
@@colincampbell767 Thanks very much. The T-64 has an interesting Ukrainian history (wikipedia has a nice write up). How fitting that a variant built in Kharkiv would be used to defend Ukraine against the invaders.
T62 on T72B3...
B3... Be free .. it was free😂
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Since it is a T64 then the APFSDS round must be a Soviet munition?
Or Ukrainian domestic production. Perhaps the darts are the same as the 120mm NATO variant, and Ukraine just fabricates a different sabot. At this point it's almost impossible to tell who makes what, where, how and when.
@@andersjjensen The projectile for a US sabot is so long it goes all the way to the back of the casing. (Rule of thumb for armor penetration is that the length of the projectile is roughly equal to its armor penetration.)
Like playing darts but for men
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wow, instakill
An againg T64 against a "modern" T72.
It's also a modernized T-64.
@@zbyszanna wonder sometimes if Leos are so superior in gunning
Clearly t72 was broken hard before t64 shot.
Yeah that was HEAT not Sabo
Sabot - those puffs were the petals hitting the ground.
I believe what you’re seeing is that the Russian soldiers are inexperienced and being thrown into battle without sufficient training. Your seeing the drain of fully trained operators being depleted.
I was appalled at the ineptness of the Russian tank crews from the day they first invaded. I don't think that Russia ever had what we would consider to be a 'fully-trained' tank crew. (And US tank crews are never 'fully trained.' Because by the time you finish a complete training cycle - it's time to go back to the beginning and start all over again.)
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Did... Did you just use the Eye of Sauron to denote the location of the T-72?
Orcs (Russians) are controlled by Sauron (Putin).
Sabots are deadly indeed 😊
Sabot: goes through your skull and makes your brain spill out!
-shell- -casing-
sabot
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It really stands for Armour Piercing Fucking Speedy Dastardly Shot ( as it does not explode )
1:40 that's not what an APFSDS does. When it penetrates, it fills the tank with superheated plasma (by definition, I suppose) that sets everything in the tank ablaze. This insanely hot gas also over-pressurizes the tank, killing everything that wasn't already killed. Then everything not tied down can get blown through the hole(s) left by the sabot due to the overpressure. The spalling is the least of the crew's worries.
Extreme heat is created as a byproduct of the spalling, so he isn't exactly wrong.
Reverse of a Slow Cooker.....
So essentially any life form inside it is instantly turned to 'pink mist'. I guess it beats starving in a trench.
You are reciting urban legend.
Neither APFSDS nor HEAT creates a "superheated plasma" nor "overpressure".
@@skipperg4436 My information is from a commander of a US armored brigade who fought in Iraq.
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not casing. its called sabot.
So it ‘took out’ a tank that was already abandoned? 🤨
Rule of thumb in armored warfare - if it isn't on fire then it isn't 'dead.'
The Sabot hit the enemy tanks ammo.
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I'm not a fan of using ammo to kill a tank that's already ruined.
This tank had it's tracks blown off by a mine, and probably had the engine cooked too. That doesn't prevent Russia from dragging it back to the depot and using 3 damaged tanks to build a functional one. One well placed hit prevented them from retrieving as much as a headlight bulb from it.
How long do you think Ukraine will last? I dont think the war is winnable anymore
Give me your stock market tips (buys) so that I can short them.
Russia has about the same GDP as Italy. Russia is the one who can't afford this to drag out. Their current strategy is to make the West belive it is not "winnable" so we stop supporting Ukraine, which is a very bold gamble on their part. Ukraine's allies can, for just %0.1 of their GDP each, outspend Russia's entire national budget. It's not even a question if Ukraine can be given enough kit to kick Russia out. It's only a matter of political will.
How very clear, they seems the same at a distance pixels, or everything destroyed is Russian😂😂😂😂
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Is this old footage from the summer ?????
That's what he said in the video.
It is newly released footage of an older incident. This one is much clearer than the other and confirms that it was the sabot round which was used.
I don't understand diddly what you are talking about, but I surely appreciate you for trying.
In the video, the T-72 destroys the T-64 or T-72m1.*
the t-64 (in full video) was knocked out from the trench, and the t-72 finished it off.
Also in the full video, after the destruction of the T-64, there were 3 shots fired at the T-72 (2 - RPG, 1 - ATGM), but all missed.
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T64 has to be close to have a chance. T72 has a big advantage at longer range. Lucky for T64 nobody no crew in the T72.
Both tanks have the same gun, and are probably even firing the same ammunition. T-72B3 has newer rounds technically available, but has been using the same Soviet era stuff Ukraine has available throughout the invasion.
Originally, the T-64 had much better fire control than the T-72, though by the T-72B3 I think they're about equal.
Both may or may not have thermals, irrespective of variant.
Armor protection is about the same, T-64 started out better, T-72 was upgraded first, but they've both been updated to about the same standards.
@@SgtBeltfedmost stupid comment in existence. The T-72’s composite arrays are decades better than the T-64’s old textolite sandwiches, coupled with Kontakt-5 ERA and better mobility and it’s not even close
@@SgtBeltfed rather than referring to online stuff that says many different things I shall take your word for this….thank you.
Why recycle old news, update everyone on the current situation in bakhmut or adeevka
So then go to other channels.
New and unseen footage is always interesting.
it's new footage confirming that this type of round was used here and was worth a look.
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The only reason the soldier is covering his face is to avoid criminal prosecution
you are clearly not the sharpest tool in a shed😂😂😂
How about he's covering his face so that the Killer Apes in Russia don't go after his family as they usually do.
He covers his face so his family can not be identified and found by the adversary.
makes lawn darts seem completely harmless.
Pegged
Still begging for money 💰 🤑
F them. They had 3 decades to prepare their military for this and they did jack-sh*t and now expect the whole western world (mainly us in America) to fund them. This should serve as a lesson to them: in time of peace, prepare for war. Guess they were too busy being the most corrupt country in europe to bother spending money on military/defense