I dont think shes mid but I do think people are overreacting to how broken shes gonna be. Emblem Celica and Sigurd both already invalidate the whole map with warping and insane movement and Sigurd gets extra actions and AoE spam. Like Lyn also does that but with more precison. Thats it. The pearl clutching over power creep is ridiculous when Sigurd is more powerful.
Lyn is busted, we all know that, but she's gonna need a little help to be even better, you may want to replace her A and C skill, Fatal smoke and Sly Sparrow come to mind, you also want a buddy that negates saviors like the ones show in the video, which most of them are in rotation right now or come back next month, she's gonna be great but some investment is needed to break the celling. i just hope is no another "Eat Glue" unit like E-Ike in his peak.
I'm reminded of F!Edelgard where Y!Innes was always touted as the hard counter but if you gave F!Edelgard +4 defense support from anything (far save, distant guard, drive buffs) then F!Edelgard would win the matchup... Yes, if it's your choice of team against a solo Lyn you'll be fine but that's not what your opponents are coming at you with
Merry Christmas to you and yours Tacho! Saying Lyn isn’t good is a huge downplay because she can snipe from 6 spaces and doesn’t have to move to do it which is huge all on top of being a strong nuke herself like definitely do not sleep on Lyn
I did not even think about how easy you can make a support ball for her and the emblem user while sniping, and wih that in mind the FInish does make sense since she stays with the team Lyn looks kinda simple build on first glance but her kit does work really well together
Im going to test out how Lyn and her ring does in tier 23 land since I stopped caring about getting into vault recently and tier 23 is a mixed landscape of skilled and unskilled players on offense.
Ngl I didn't think she was insane when I saw her even with undefended existing... because I didn't think the AI could use it. The fact AI can use styles is actually just disgusting, it changes things up so much lol. I do think it's funny they still won't let the ai use duo/harmonic skills though
I'll guess its harder to program the CPU to find a good spot to use the duo skill (except for the ninjas)... Style change AI may just be (Scan for targets - yes? Change!)
Not really. Styles are way more impactful on offence than they are on defence so the AI being able to use it barely changes anything. It's disgusting being able to snipe 5 units by turn 3 without even having to move.
Merry Christmas. Funny that you've popped in my algorithm not once, but twice now. The singular HB slot point is valid and not something I considered as a pro to open up other units to exploit 1-range attacks without it, but from what I've seen, HB tends to be on your Far Saver anyway and it's something she'll have to deal with in pretty much every engagement that isn't skirted by [Undefended]. She's a good unit, I'm not at all trying to say she's not, but on her own she's not going to completely upturn the meta the same way the addition of Celica or Sigurd has. The doomposting on how this will completely autowin is a bit much. We've been dealing with crazy threat radiuses for a while now and especially for ranged nukes, we've got plenty of options to weather things. Lyn will be forced to deal with those options, and needs the aforementioned support from B!Embla and F!Maria (or Ymir as a Maria substitute) to have a chance to skirt by them. [Undefended] sniping was already something you may have to consider with Celica or her bearer warp sniping your units like she's Xigbar. I still hold that she's not going to destroy the meta as a lot of the knee jerk reaction have claimed and she won't super change the way one has to craft defenses since we've been dealing with Celica warps for a long while now. Mostly because the solution to her is already usually always run in a comp. Not too much crazy pivoting to the standard gameplan is required.
I'm dreading the day we get emblem Hector and Emblem Sorren, also Emblem Veronica is a thing too and will have an interesting niche where she summons units in combat
So got lucky and pulled her. Decided to test brave Gullvieg with embelem ring. Extra action works and with charge from Hinoka was able to move in and attack after a turret shot. She however was not able to multiple turret shots. The terrain however did spread from the super ranged shot so even if you don't kill you can spread flame tiles from a distance.
ignore them tacho. Clearly theyve never faced my Windsweep + double Savage Blow E!Lyn From my premature testing though (double SP season expired fuuuuu) i kinda agree that Lyn isnt as powerful as the other premium nukes but ONLY in terms of raw damage, yeah of course she can't kill a well supported Hector or Fjorm on her own. But she just opens up some pretty shrewd (or degenerate depending on how you view it) combos and shenanigans. Oh heres my windsweep Lyn with fatal smoke/savage blow w/AoE that i can abuse because of my Lv2 Safety Fence. Here's my Fogado and L!Hinoka w/ fatal smoke. Maybe it doesnt have the universal impact of Celica and Sigurd but for player phase strategies? Yeah shes pretty darn nuts. And we dont know how she fully works on the hands of AI yet and once we figure it out its gonna get even more nuts
why use maria who only works once when the entire gimmick of ymir was to only protect you with miracle at full which was super bad as tanks who get oneshot aren't tanks but now that offensive units can attack from within her range do you get miracle every combat
Completely agree, she and the style are ridiculous. But its Xmas, so happy thoughts! The banner was amazibg for me. Full pulled to spark and did an extra five pulls as I ended with a high rate. Got two Felixes, Sigurd, Veronica, Reginn, Heidrun and sparked Lyn. My fodder banks are eating good!
I can't wait to pull on her banner. With any luck, I'll also be able to get me a copy of Emblem Sigurd. Merry Christmas Tacho, I'm not celebrating it JUST yet, but I will have a double celebration for New Year's.
I'm late, but merry Christmas Tacho! The irony of Hector being one of the only safe counters to Lyn lol. I can't wait to test mine against my Emblem Lyn!
The worst thing about lyn is the fact that we have 2 fullscreen control rings that can be set on future game-breaking units... plus you can bet your ass Mythic Hoðr is gonna have a Sniper style change
Will she thou I'm gonna assume and hopefully I'm right that it's only for Emblem Units but I forgot hodr is range and you can give her Lyns ring regardless she will be scary if she's good I may try for her maybe I need a good range nuke to give Lyns ring to.
With me being a simple man, I was more exciting we were getting a new lyn unit than what her built was gonna be. Idc if the next character is even more OP than her, I just want the character.
So turns out Ninja Lucina not as great with Emblem Lyn after a few testing since using her personal assist wont let u use Style. Kinda forgot Style actually buffed Duo Cordelia Duel Strike status since its much more convinient now
got Pekomama (haven't reached 40 pulls yet) so I run winter fomortis as the near savior and fjorm as the far savior, with hardy bearing she could take on Abyssal difficulty Emblem Lyn easily so I guess she'll be fine in AR too
After my Nemesis was able to dominate her in her Abyssal map, I'm not as scared about her anymore. Still going to be cautious about her but at least I know my Nemesis can handle her well enough. Merry Christmas too.
Merry Christmas Tacho and happy holiday to all. Hopefully your summons are good because mine definitely wasn't so far and it makes me wish I saved my orbs just so i can waste them on this banner.
Lore accurate she never beat hector in a fight anyways despite having the weapon advantage and speed. That said give her ring to a proper range nuke and see how much damage that will do.
I got her at free pull, i thought I'd skip the latest winter banner for this one but yeah, luck is on my side this time after i got nothing in those free winter banner draws lol.
The only reason why I hate this Lyn is the fact that style can be used by AI in defence. Like, really? Do we NEED an arena assault event with 7 Lyn / Nergal with Lyn's ring to deal with??
She has a lot going on, and she can use the style more freely than any unit engaged to her, but the fact that i could bait her with E!Ike on her abyssal map difficulty was kinda sad.
Ai is stupid dont use that as basis players usually don't fall for baits AI's do. In a live PvP your more likely less to bait people than baiting AI who just goes for it cause AI in FEH is terrible and that's me seeing how horrible my auto attacks are in a map where if I play it I don't loose a unit the AI will make bad decisions.
She's good but no where near broken like people think she is. The Hardy bearing seal lets basically any Far save kill her after her first attack so she really struggles to kill. Same goes for the emblem ring too. She's still good but i don't think she will be taking over the game like the other emblems jave since she is already beey easy to counter.
I don't think she is mid but as a nuke, it does not matter if you have 6 range if you can not kill. And I bet in a few months she will old like E. Celica who is no longer very good despite the Teleportation. I think that is the way to balance her and that is why her base kit is not that impressive And yeah, We have some Red Far Saves who can desl against her and Hardy Bearing. Prople don't play summoner duels so on Arena or AR you just need one team with HB. I am more worried sbout the AI using it and her own Emblem
Can't wait for the arena teams that's just Emblem Lyn, Emblem Celica, a unit with Celica ring, and a unit with Lyn ring. While I like cheating with Vantage and Desperation, playing against it is really annoying too. I don't think I would mind a side grade Hardy Bearing seal that's based on spd that doesn't deny your own Vantage/Desperation effects as the upside if you meet the spd check. Otherwise you need a unit like Lucia, or Lilina, and then a tank with Hardy Bearing to cover yourself in enemy and player phase.
Ignore my opinions because they'll bite me back later. Heidrun support should cancel Maria's Miracle or Embla's Feud Effect. On another topic, Did You Know Cyril is an even better F2P unit now? I hope we get Griss soon.
The style can be far saved. Yes, she's mid. Just run a savior unit, base kit Fomortiis with support tanks a supported Lyn for 0 damage. And my support wasn't even defensive, it just gave him stats. Anyone freaking out calling her overpowered either somehow doesn't know how the savior mechanic works yet, or they haven't found out you can savior against Style. All that range means nothing if you're still hitting for damage. Her ring is eons better than she will ever be, and even then, if our units are still currently capable of savior'ing and tanking the current meta, they can continue to do so now. Being attacked 6 tiles away doesn't change that outcome. Is it annoying to require saviors? Yeah. But you could also just use brave felix and warp to her and instantly kill her, because she's a bad unit, so anyone actually running this Lyn is getting punished for existing. The two best saves in the game rn are fuckin red, she's ass. The best UNIT in the game is red, can move twice to initiate, has Celica 90% of the time, and one shots her without a special. She isn't good.
Tells people to run savior units so he can run undefended and flash to invalidate the saves and counter attacks from Lyn or the engaged hero with her style. I don’t know why you don’t just say his name but it’s pretty obvious who you’re talking about. But not even Felix can survive Lyn, but if we want to go a step further and say he can with the right build. Still, Felix can’t survive a ranged nuke that can take him out already and has Lyn’s style. He dies in spawn before he can even move. You can run Felix but it isn’t going to change the fact that he can finally be nuked from spawn and undefended just ensures it too
Yeah, its gonna be a strange way of doing it. Either put Feud (status) on Lyn, then Far Save. Or Assign Decoy on 2 range with Hardy Bearing and Feud on C. Kinda dumb.
I dont think shes mid but I do think people are overreacting to how broken shes gonna be. Emblem Celica and Sigurd both already invalidate the whole map with warping and insane movement and Sigurd gets extra actions and AoE spam. Like Lyn also does that but with more precison. Thats it. The pearl clutching over power creep is ridiculous when Sigurd is more powerful.
Well not like Ike, Celica, Felix and Sigurd havent ruined the game already, eh?
That’s what I’m getting at as well. She’s strong, but not mega broken. I think that’s what Tacho is misunderstanding from some of the comments.
This. Already got a clean win in AR D because just having W!Byleth is enough to tank and smack her
@@Froztec No, people are just straight up saying she's BAD lmao
Like, not "She's good but not broken." But actually saying she's bad.
@@tacho9427 I didn’t realize the level of delusion could reach that low lmao, but thanks for the clarification.
Crazy Dragon Ball Legends and Feh got a Sniper unit at the same time
Lyn is busted, we all know that, but she's gonna need a little help to be even better, you may want to replace her A and C skill, Fatal smoke and Sly Sparrow come to mind, you also want a buddy that negates saviors like the ones show in the video, which most of them are in rotation right now or come back next month, she's gonna be great but some investment is needed to break the celling. i just hope is no another "Eat Glue" unit like E-Ike in his peak.
I'm reminded of F!Edelgard where Y!Innes was always touted as the hard counter but if you gave F!Edelgard +4 defense support from anything (far save, distant guard, drive buffs) then F!Edelgard would win the matchup... Yes, if it's your choice of team against a solo Lyn you'll be fine but that's not what your opponents are coming at you with
Merry Christmas to you and yours Tacho!
Saying Lyn isn’t good is a huge downplay because she can snipe from 6 spaces and doesn’t have to move to do it which is huge all on top of being a strong nuke herself like definitely do not sleep on Lyn
Giving her the clones would have been broken so they gotta make her not (too) game-breaking...
@ in the context of feh alone Lyn is tame enough to be broken without being overtly unbalanced for the sake of being unfair
I did not even think about how easy you can make a support ball for her and the emblem user while sniping, and wih that in mind the FInish does make sense since she stays with the team
Lyn looks kinda simple build on first glance but her kit does work really well together
Im going to test out how Lyn and her ring does in tier 23 land since I stopped caring about getting into vault recently and tier 23 is a mixed landscape of skilled and unskilled players on offense.
Ngl I didn't think she was insane when I saw her even with undefended existing... because I didn't think the AI could use it. The fact AI can use styles is actually just disgusting, it changes things up so much lol. I do think it's funny they still won't let the ai use duo/harmonic skills though
I'll guess its harder to program the CPU to find a good spot to use the duo skill (except for the ninjas)... Style change AI may just be (Scan for targets - yes? Change!)
Not really. Styles are way more impactful on offence than they are on defence so the AI being able to use it barely changes anything. It's disgusting being able to snipe 5 units by turn 3 without even having to move.
Surely an AR-D frontline with Lyn + 2 ranged nukes with Celica and Lyn ring might sway ya otherwise...
Merry Christmas. Funny that you've popped in my algorithm not once, but twice now. The singular HB slot point is valid and not something I considered as a pro to open up other units to exploit 1-range attacks without it, but from what I've seen, HB tends to be on your Far Saver anyway and it's something she'll have to deal with in pretty much every engagement that isn't skirted by [Undefended].
She's a good unit, I'm not at all trying to say she's not, but on her own she's not going to completely upturn the meta the same way the addition of Celica or Sigurd has. The doomposting on how this will completely autowin is a bit much. We've been dealing with crazy threat radiuses for a while now and especially for ranged nukes, we've got plenty of options to weather things. Lyn will be forced to deal with those options, and needs the aforementioned support from B!Embla and F!Maria (or Ymir as a Maria substitute) to have a chance to skirt by them. [Undefended] sniping was already something you may have to consider with Celica or her bearer warp sniping your units like she's Xigbar.
I still hold that she's not going to destroy the meta as a lot of the knee jerk reaction have claimed and she won't super change the way one has to craft defenses since we've been dealing with Celica warps for a long while now. Mostly because the solution to her is already usually always run in a comp. Not too much crazy pivoting to the standard gameplan is required.
I'm dreading the day we get emblem Hector and Emblem Sorren, also Emblem Veronica is a thing too and will have an interesting niche where she summons units in combat
She's so OP that Tacho is on his 3rd video trying to convince people she is OP.
4th now 😭
So got lucky and pulled her. Decided to test brave Gullvieg with embelem ring. Extra action works and with charge from Hinoka was able to move in and attack after a turret shot. She however was not able to multiple turret shots. The terrain however did spread from the super ranged shot so even if you don't kill you can spread flame tiles from a distance.
ignore them tacho. Clearly theyve never faced my Windsweep + double Savage Blow E!Lyn
From my premature testing though (double SP season expired fuuuuu) i kinda agree that Lyn isnt as powerful as the other premium nukes but ONLY in terms of raw damage, yeah of course she can't kill a well supported Hector or Fjorm on her own. But she just opens up some pretty shrewd (or degenerate depending on how you view it) combos and shenanigans. Oh heres my windsweep Lyn with fatal smoke/savage blow w/AoE that i can abuse because of my Lv2 Safety Fence. Here's my Fogado and L!Hinoka w/ fatal smoke. Maybe it doesnt have the universal impact of Celica and Sigurd but for player phase strategies? Yeah shes pretty darn nuts.
And we dont know how she fully works on the hands of AI yet and once we figure it out its gonna get even more nuts
also Happy Holidays ❤️💚
why use maria who only works once when the entire gimmick of ymir was to only protect you with miracle at full which was super bad as tanks who get oneshot aren't tanks but now that offensive units can attack from within her range do you get miracle every combat
Ymir is good too. You can use either
Completely agree, she and the style are ridiculous.
But its Xmas, so happy thoughts! The banner was amazibg for me. Full pulled to spark and did an extra five pulls as I ended with a high rate.
Got two Felixes, Sigurd, Veronica, Reginn, Heidrun and sparked Lyn. My fodder banks are eating good!
I can't wait to pull on her banner.
With any luck, I'll also be able to get me a copy of Emblem Sigurd.
Merry Christmas Tacho, I'm not celebrating it JUST yet, but I will have a double celebration for New Year's.
I'm late, but merry Christmas Tacho!
The irony of Hector being one of the only safe counters to Lyn lol. I can't wait to test mine against my Emblem Lyn!
The worst thing about lyn is the fact that we have 2 fullscreen control rings that can be set on future game-breaking units... plus you can bet your ass Mythic Hoðr is gonna have a Sniper style change
Will she thou I'm gonna assume and hopefully I'm right that it's only for Emblem Units but I forgot hodr is range and you can give her Lyns ring regardless she will be scary if she's good I may try for her maybe I need a good range nuke to give Lyns ring to.
Oh Mark my words...
Baldr will have a PRF skill with "Immunity to damage" style every 2-3 turns, while Hodr will powercreep Lyn in some way
With me being a simple man, I was more exciting we were getting a new lyn unit than what her built was gonna be. Idc if the next character is even more OP than her, I just want the character.
tree guy actually worked against me in sds because he made the enemy tree guy into a save and then my sigurd couldn't kill micaiah
She's nasty. The fact the cpu can use her sniping and her emblem effect is nuts.
So turns out Ninja Lucina not as great with Emblem Lyn after a few testing since using her personal assist wont let u use Style. Kinda forgot Style actually buffed Duo Cordelia Duel Strike status since its much more convinient now
Lucina can use the style after her assist, but not on turn 1
@@tacho9427 Oh, thanks for the correction ngl thought it was a her problem since I haven,t tested it with other nukes but yea good to know!
got Pekomama (haven't reached 40 pulls yet) so I run winter fomortis as the near savior and fjorm as the far savior, with hardy bearing she could take on Abyssal difficulty Emblem Lyn easily so I guess she'll be fine in AR too
After my Nemesis was able to dominate her in her Abyssal map, I'm not as scared about her anymore. Still going to be cautious about her but at least I know my Nemesis can handle her well enough.
Merry Christmas too.
She's underpowered until you get to face her and she destroys a unit from afar. 😆
Merry Christmas Tacho! I hope you have a good day and great luck on your summons!
Merry Christmas Tacho! 💯
Merry Christmas Tacho and happy holiday to all. Hopefully your summons are good because mine definitely wasn't so far and it makes me wish I saved my orbs just so i can waste them on this banner.
She can’t scratch Hector, snake lady, or C.Formortis. She’s really good, but she can’t do a damn thing about DC armors that just refuse to die.
Lore accurate she never beat hector in a fight anyways despite having the weapon advantage and speed. That said give her ring to a proper range nuke and see how much damage that will do.
Someone needs to be really dumb to think Lyn is mid, she is a must pull, if you dont get her prepare to lose all the time.
Merry Christmas TACHO! I hope you have a good one. 🥳
I got her at free pull, i thought I'd skip the latest winter banner for this one but yeah, luck is on my side this time after i got nothing in those free winter banner draws lol.
The only reason why I hate this Lyn is the fact that style can be used by AI in defence. Like, really? Do we NEED an arena assault event with 7 Lyn / Nergal with Lyn's ring to deal with??
She has a lot going on, and she can use the style more freely than any unit engaged to her, but the fact that i could bait her with E!Ike on her abyssal map difficulty was kinda sad.
Ai is stupid dont use that as basis players usually don't fall for baits AI's do. In a live PvP your more likely less to bait people than baiting AI who just goes for it cause AI in FEH is terrible and that's me seeing how horrible my auto attacks are in a map where if I play it I don't loose a unit the AI will make bad decisions.
@scarletrose8766 you are right, i haven't faced her (or anyone with her ring) yet, but i know that will be a different story.
@@Ybercillo yeah I wish the AI was better at placing units but alas I doubt we will get smarter AI but maybe one can dream.
She's good but no where near broken like people think she is. The Hardy bearing seal lets basically any Far save kill her after her first attack so she really struggles to kill. Same goes for the emblem ring too. She's still good but i don't think she will be taking over the game like the other emblems jave since she is already beey easy to counter.
@16:23 welp not me I'm pretty sure I'm going to be using the ultimate tech this month in feh.🤔🤨🧐
I don't think she is mid but as a nuke, it does not matter if you have 6 range if you can not kill.
And I bet in a few months she will old like E. Celica who is no longer very good despite the Teleportation.
I think that is the way to balance her and that is why her base kit is not that impressive
And yeah, We have some Red Far Saves who can desl against her and Hardy Bearing. Prople don't play summoner duels so on Arena or AR you just need one team with HB.
I am more worried sbout the AI using it and her own Emblem
The ironic thing that nidoggrs anti essence drain actually will become more important cause style plus nergal definitely is going to come out hard
Can't wait for the arena teams that's just Emblem Lyn, Emblem Celica, a unit with Celica ring, and a unit with Lyn ring. While I like cheating with Vantage and Desperation, playing against it is really annoying too. I don't think I would mind a side grade Hardy Bearing seal that's based on spd that doesn't deny your own Vantage/Desperation effects as the upside if you meet the spd check. Otherwise you need a unit like Lucia, or Lilina, and then a tank with Hardy Bearing to cover yourself in enemy and player phase.
The AI E!Lyn in special maps can actually use styles🤣. Imma try to make her work on my AR defense team for fun.
I think Lyn herself is really good. Obviously one of the better nukes in the game. It's just hard to compete with Winter Shez's insanity lmao.
Emblem Lyn + Ymir for miracle
wait... LYN is on this banner? I thought it was the brave alfonse summoning fest!!! I already got 3!
NEVERMIND.... I randomly summoned blue, got a florina, and then I knew the next orb was emblem lyn and I got her. the Florilyn agenda is REAL!!!
Man, let people think she’s mid (or bad), that’s less Lyn we have to fight.
Imagine they say that but will still pull anyways.
ill form my opinion on her powerlevel after ive got her in my hands.
im looking forward on using lyn ring on my +10 ullr
Ignore my opinions because they'll bite me back later.
Heidrun support should cancel Maria's Miracle or Embla's Feud Effect.
On another topic, Did You Know Cyril is an even better F2P unit now? I hope we get Griss soon.
just got the lynn on free summon wtf
Ylaracel in way too right position cant attack
*MID*
the only time i don't leave a comment under one of your video you show the comment section in the next one smh
lyn is always mid in heroes. such its her fait
More units who hit hard like her shouldn't be borderline unkillable.
The style can be far saved. Yes, she's mid. Just run a savior unit, base kit Fomortiis with support tanks a supported Lyn for 0 damage. And my support wasn't even defensive, it just gave him stats. Anyone freaking out calling her overpowered either somehow doesn't know how the savior mechanic works yet, or they haven't found out you can savior against Style. All that range means nothing if you're still hitting for damage. Her ring is eons better than she will ever be, and even then, if our units are still currently capable of savior'ing and tanking the current meta, they can continue to do so now. Being attacked 6 tiles away doesn't change that outcome. Is it annoying to require saviors? Yeah. But you could also just use brave felix and warp to her and instantly kill her, because she's a bad unit, so anyone actually running this Lyn is getting punished for existing. The two best saves in the game rn are fuckin red, she's ass. The best UNIT in the game is red, can move twice to initiate, has Celica 90% of the time, and one shots her without a special. She isn't good.
Tells people to run savior units so he can run undefended and flash to invalidate the saves and counter attacks from Lyn or the engaged hero with her style. I don’t know why you don’t just say his name but it’s pretty obvious who you’re talking about. But not even Felix can survive Lyn, but if we want to go a step further and say he can with the right build. Still, Felix can’t survive a ranged nuke that can take him out already and has Lyn’s style. He dies in spawn before he can even move. You can run Felix but it isn’t going to change the fact that he can finally be nuked from spawn and undefended just ensures it too
I'm only impressed by her ring, we're so saturated with nukes, its really just pick your flavor, this flavor has 6 range.
C/G Feud stonks rising again.
the thing is save units cant use Feud skills, unless they are Asigned Decoy'ed
Yeah, its gonna be a strange way of doing it.
Either put Feud (status) on Lyn, then Far Save.
Or Assign Decoy on 2 range with Hardy Bearing and Feud on C.
Kinda dumb.
Tacho please the light mode is too much lol.
Need more doomposting so i can hog lyn for myself😊
Winter shez with lyn ring. Thank me later