Actually this song has a beat structure of heptadectuplets so even though it sounds to the philistine like it's at 7 bpm, it is actually a clean and very legal 119. Maybe we should make it a little slower, just to be on the safe side?
As others have said, it is not a music ban, it's an excuse for a culture ban. Chechen authorities will not count the beats and then prohibit something, they'll just take down any concert or festivity they don't like alleging this law and be done with it.
Laws like this are just a technicality. On the books to give them the ability to ban something whenever. Selectively enforced and never meant to actually be followed to the letter.
Being from Chechnya myself, I'm actually really happy that you, Adam (fun fact: my father's name is Adam too), really liked ''Lezginka'' and even made some kind of analysis on it, even if that happened because of a weird reason to be honest, but anyways, thank you!
@@BigKilla99 No, I live in Saint Petersburg, but almost every year I go to Chechnya to meet my relatives. The only thing I can say is that I don't know anything about it's effect, but I can ask people who live there, so stay tuned :) Regarding the latter question it depends on how the law is... controlled I guess? I think people will still listen to whatever music they want, but more secretly, now nobody will throw a big party knowing that there's a risk of being punished.
As a huge fan of lezginka: this video ROCKS. I've never heard someone discuss its technicalities in English before! Should note that it's not just Chechen dance - it's performed in slightly different variations all around the Caucasus and by the Caucasian diaspora worldwide. Your first example video is from Kabardino-Balkaria, and while I can't find the original version of the second, it's got to be in front of Gostinny Dvor in St. Petersburg. Looks just like it. Also, in case anyone was wondering, there will be no one in the Chechen government measuring the beat of every song. The law will be used reactively against individuals the state/community dislike already. Just like every repressive law in Russia.
Indeed much as with the UK's "repetitive beats" thing. Classical music with repetitive rhythmic sections attended in concerts by poshos wasn't functionally illegal, only outdoor raves attended by the working class.
@@Stephen_Black I'm a drummer, so I don't disagree. Most breakbeat stuff isn't as crazy as people like to think and that includes a lot of what people nowadays call "breakcore." I see too many "breakcore" mixes that are basically just atmospheric jungle. If you know how to find "the one," counting breakbeats is easy. It's rarely ever out of a 4/4 time signature.
Most music bans are really just culture bans but trying to seem non racist. When there were jazz bands they just made different genres with similar themes
For sure. Though as a Brit PoC that went to a few raves in the 90s lol, Thatcher was specifically going after the field raves via electronic music, mainly because she just hated ‘degenerate’ ravers, drug takers, any kind of non-‘classical’ culture, disorderlyness/passion, ‘nuisance'… but tbh most of the field ravers were white and middle class. I also hear the kids nowadays actually learn about that law in secondary school music class. People should also watch the doc by Jeremy Deller - Everybody in the Place, on RUclips. It’s an awesome social history of rave scene/acid house/uk politics in the 80s, set in a high school politics class of today. (+ the chechen mullahs just hate all music and fun)
One district mayor from my city banned all concerts. Luckily, they didn't specify what a concert is, so bands are now doing "recitals" and "public rehearsals".
@@Seamannon Peru. The district I mentioned is called Barranco, in Lima city. It is a bizarre ban, because that district is known for its diverse music scene.
@@LON009 Thanks for your reply, I like to learn about strange things around the world. I'd probably never come across this information if it wasn't for you 😅 This seems like an absurd situation indeed. How did it come to be? Do you have any clue? Was it for some noise complaints from the inhabitants or something?
@@Seamannon It's all because of the paranoid far-right party that won the last city elections. Barranco is an artsy district, so, by banning concerts, they believe they are stopping "terrorists" from doing "secret rallies" or something.
Thanks for this video! One of my students just stopped singing and playing instruments in my music lessons, right after this law has been established, his family comes from Chechnya so probably this would be the reason. I am so sad!
As someone who comes from a culture that has these similar, weirdly conservative and traditionalist tendencies to just ban stuff left and right, I love watching people like this embarrass themselves on a global level. I have to live life cut off from western culture, at least I get to point and laugh on the internet.
German Nazis put up signs "Swing Dancing prohibited". But one of their biggest movie stars Hans Albers did a song "Beim ersten Mal da tut's noch weh" (from the movie "Große Freiheit Nr. 7", filmed in 1943) that is pure big band swing, especially the part with the trumpet. So dictatorships seem to have a tradition of not doing what they preach, weird 😂
Simple. Many monarchy has banned specific color or ornament for regular people so that only royals or high people could own the feature. I guess they just wanted to privatize their own signature musical flavor?
OK for the record if this sounds nazism to you I am just so sorry... I was just supposed to point out that they have double standards but apparently I just mislead yall... Sorry again...
There was a joke, and I’m forgetting the specific wording, but basically in the UK, if you had four old men sitting around a gramophone playing German oom-pah music, it was technically a rave, and therefore illegal
@@kaltziferYT "any gathering of 20 or more people where: 63(1)(b) "music" includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats." It's not a quaint old law to chuckle at either, it is still in force to this day.
i lived in chechnya for 5 years and it was surreal. just a local government getting progressively more ridiculous (but also in a scary way?) and just so contradictory in school we were told that women singing is immoral. then someone pointed out chechen folk singing, they said it was ok. one girl asked why metal is "bad", they had no answer lol. lezginka and chechen music is insanely popular there, there is no reason for this law other than to promote "morals and tradition". its really all performative, the local government loves doing a show of upholding chechen traditions but doesnt really enforce it, its just for local TV (and a way for ministers to get approval from kadyrov)
We used to do a night on the second Saturday of every month and at the end of the night to clear the dancefloor we would always play ' Why does it hurt when I pee ' by Zappa.
My cousin found out that he has 9 percent of Irish blood after he sent his analysis to some Texas university and we are Chechens by the way P.S. - sorry for my english :)
@@goonyougoodthing I could have sworn I saw him mention it in a Q+A, too many to look back in :/ however, I may, and probably did, recall incorrectly think of his video "How to play in 9/8"
I think about this constantly when listening to black metal. The tremolo picking gets so fast that it starts to feel like more of a drone when I listen to it. And in fact, when my (Dominican) spouse and I first got together we discovered that bachata guitar work has a similar sort of vibe.
They made me learn this dance when I was a kid. ROFLed from Malmsteen's playing matching lezginka so well. Would love to see people dance Black Star this way...
9:21 The problem is, Chechnya couldn't really promote education or fund musicians bc (1) it's a fairly politically unstable region; (2) Chechnya basically exists on direct federal subsidies from Moscow which primarily (due to insane corruption) goes to Kadyrov and his circle; and (3) it's a Muslim-majority (Sufist Sunni) region.
Brother, it's not that they couldn't; they simply don't need that. This ban is just another demonstration of the power they have over their own people.
I heard about this story elsewhere, but nobody has done such a deep dive as this. I've been enjoying every video of yours for years now and it has brought my own musicianship to new heights. THANK YOU Adam Neely for just being so damn Rad.
Interesting! IAAL, and whilst a flawed law for many reasons, s.63 of the Public Order Act 1994 doesn't really say that it's 'illegal for people to gather and listen to music with repetitive beats'. That's a bit of an over-simplification. :) The statute specifically notes a number of situations and qualifications, and gives police specific powers to deal with those. It's not a blanket restriction based solely on the musical style - which I am sure many folk will take what you said to mean.
As always with these bans, the common folk will suffer, and the (rich) people in charge of the ban will ensure their children can travel abroad to listen to this highly dangerous foreign contaminated music.
@@testacals it's a country within a country. They are not regular region. It's a price for peace. But one thing is for sure, they don't send children to Switzerland or UK. They are just different kind of persons.
@@vladalexeev8529 Country is a vague definition itself but most people and most definitions of country agree that autonomous region within a country isn't a country. Otherwise countries like USA has 100s of countries within it.
@@testacals "Otherwise countries like USA has 100s of countries within it." Well, yeah. That's why they are called united STATES and each can have separate laws.
I've never heard of footwork but it reminds me of a group I used to hear a lot in Philly - Dollarboyz. I found a video of them from 2012 and the track was about 166 bpm, so send those boys to Chechnya! (if they want to go) The kick drum typically plays two quarter notes followed by a pseudo-triplet of two dotted eighths and one eighth note. There are sometimes handclaps on 1 and 3, so you could easily take the handclaps as a pulse at 83 bpm.
That is not at all what is going on. Why are you lying? The only thing illegal is them being too loud and inconsiderate of people who don't wanna rave. A former office block in central London has been the subject of a closure order after endless illegal raves caused havoc for nearby residents with gatherings lasting over 14 hours, and music so loud it caused walls to shake.
@KYSMO they're not lying. "Powers to remove persons attending or preparing for a rave": www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/63 Amounts to them being banned.
@kayosgarden So people's quality of life is less important then a bunch of arseholes whose idea of a good time is spending all night drugged up in a room with damaging volumes of music, good to know. Sorry for being an evil fascist by valuing sleep a silence.
8:05 - this is the law that prohibits making loud noise at night. In UK night I believe is defined by 11pm - 7am, within which time you need a license to make noise, which is why gigs often end at 11pm.
1:28 I was wondering whether this was a deliberate intentional ban of the traditional indigenous music? It's quite common for a colonialist government to try to ban traditional practices when they're trying to extinguish the indigenous culture. I think some native american dances and religious practices were illegal in the USA until fairly recently?
Where do you see Chechen politics? Has Chechnya become independent? No, Chechnya is a part of Russia where Russians have been killing Chechens for 30 years, just as they have been killing Ukrainians for the last 10 years.
The great thing about the accordion is that you can really shred fast with perfect pitch for each note. It provided speed that was not previously possible in the regions music.
It's insanely disturbing that governments think it's acceptable to ban music, not just by genre, but even going as far as regulating its speed. Wtf is wrong with our species.
I know it was a rhetorical question but the deep question about how we form identity and its role in social cohesion and conflict is a deeply serious one. FWIW I think some of the answers lie in Terror Management Theory. It's a complex theory but it does make sense of why cultural constructs are universal and persistent and why threats (real or perceived) create great (and even violent) conflict.
VanHandel was actually a little known and shortly-lived incarnation of Van Halen when they recorded “Too Hard to Handel” with Chris Robinson of the Black Crowes on lead vocals
Chechnya must love Morbid Angel. A lot of their work lies directly within that BPM range. “This Means War” is a 103 BPM skull basher. They should check it out and play it loud.
The point of all of these kinds of laws is to create the opportunity for law enforcement and the government to differentially apply it to people and things they don’t like. For example, the wealthy area of Mercer Island near Seattle has an ordinance banning camping equipment in its parks, but of course the ordinance is only there so it can be applied to have a legal reason to make certain people leave.
😳When she said people usually tap ~100bpm i paused the video and tried it myself. I instinctively started tapping in threes at an EXACT bpm of 240. When you explained chechen dance music as exactly this i had to rewind the whole video to see if it played before and somehow got into my subconscious or if i genuinely have chechen dance music ingrained in my soul. I might have to do a dna test now😅
Chechnya is not about authoritarianism, it is about what will happen to your country if you are occupied by the Russians. After the Russians killed many thousands of Chechens in two bloody wars, all the rulers of Chechnya are directly installed by Moscow.
THIS VIDEO NEEDS TO GO VIRAL! What tempo is 'too fast', or 'too slow', is always a hot topic for my fiddler friends & I - but it's hard to realize that idiotic politicians are still making these kinds of disgusting decisions for people on this planet. Always appreciate what you offer up, Adam! 🤗
Somebody somewhere said something along the lines of " 'Protecting the children' is often code for 'controlling adult lives' ", or something like that. If the children need to learn of their Chechen heritage and its vintage music, they should teach it in their schools or on some Chechen TV programs, or by their parents' choice. *_DON'T BAN 90% OF ALL OTHER MUSIC!!_* Arizona just enacted a law from 1864 (Before it was even a state!) that banned women from having an abortion! NOBODY CARES ABOUT ANTIQUATED RELIGIOUS LAWS FROM CENTURIES AGO!!! All of this is outrageous! WTF is going on!?
@@b00ts4ndc4tsyeah, nah. All reactions we’ve been seeing are definitely disproportionate. Do you think it’s normal to threaten to jail doctors just for helping women deal with doomed pregnancies? Gtfoh.
Why not? The strict control of music for the sake of societal order appears in the Republic, among other places. I think its in book 3. A lot of people associate this idea with Platon as well, hence making it Platonic
@@dank5018 I think because that's just isn't the main thing people associate with the term "platonic." We're used to its use for platonic friendships (i.e. non-sexual) or platonic solids (i.e. quintessential) or something referencing "The Cave." Also, because they were probably thinking of another word that is more derogatory. "Platonic" has an air of academic legitimacy to it.
@ZipplyZane that comes from the idea of a "platonic ideal" plutonic relationship comes from the fact that Plato disagreed with Greek ideas of marriage. It is still perfectly normal to use Platonic to refer to ideas that are related or similar to Plato's
Lovely watch! Made me think, I feel like the structure of swing beats is almost optimized to resist the half-time feel perhaps the hats on 2 and 4 and lack of strong downbeat on most measures make it harder to believe in a half or quarter time feel when you hear a swing beat at 260bpm
Love the video. Love how you've turned a silly oppressive law into something educational and fun. (Not that it matters but some of my family comes from Chechnya.)
Chicago foot work isn't Hip Hop its actually HOUSE music because Chicago is where house music started, also Drum N Bass/Jungle would've been the better example as the bass and sometimes the melodies play at half time and you dance to it at half time
@@smoothsavage2870 Yup it went House > Ghetto House > Juke. Dance crews was always a thing in Chicago, They dance crews would get the dj's to pitch the records up and that's how this style of music started. Check out Detroit Jit dancing which is Detroit Techno but the records are speed up
@@stereokuuji Haha. Garage is House as well, but you might be talking about UK Garage/2-Step which is often breakbeat, though there's plenty of 4/4 UK Garage tracks as well. Footwork has its roots in Chicago Juke (a lot of people still call footwork "Juke"), which is 4/4 housey music and a lot of the Chicago producers make both breakbeat & 4/4 juke tracks and mix them together in the same sets. The genre was 4/4 first though and evolved out of the house scene. I guess similar to how breakbeat 2-Step Garage evolved out of New York Garage House.
omg you played that Daddy Yanky intro and my skin started to crawl inmediately. I've been waiting for reggaeton to die since it became the absolute dominant music of all latin america. I remember saying it was just a fad, and here we are, decades later still hearing this music with every single one with the exact same beat pattern and the same sexist content.
@0:13 The Chechen Republic of Ichkeria fought two wars against Russia in the 90s. They won the first war along with their temporary independence, but lost the second partly because of certain people turning traitor. But even the "Pro-Russian" Kadyrovites aren't particularly fond of Russia(and vice versa). If they hadn't banned their own anthem in the process I can totally see them banning the Russian anthem as a diplomatic F U with plausible deniability.
I bet they made this law not because of the tempo, but because of corruption within inner circles involving particular groups or people, and the government wanted a reason to discriminate against them further
5:01 with the snare on that it's 80 BPM, not 160 BPM. Imho the snare tells you wether its ½, 1, 2 x the kickdrum. Or even ¼ x or 4 x. Anyhow, this is what they call draconic ruling: doing what you must do to make it better, while disregarding what other people want. So in effect, making everything worse.
I've actually heard that Chechnyan song before when I was in Switzerland, living with an Indorbaev (son of gangster Arbi) who I ended up teaching music to. There was that thing about speed that comes up with all new players and he played me that national dance tune which I admit is quite impressive. 6/8 lends itself to speed, rolling all 4 fingers on a key/fret board I think allows the mechanics to flow more naturally, for example tapping out a power chord with the 5th and octave on the right hand responding to the root and 3rd inversion on the left up and down as a rudiment is so easy....and you can go insanely fast with practice!
It is so amazing to me how seriously these clowns take themselves... As well as how easily they hold onto power even after all their embarrassments. Sure, they are blind to it themselves and will always justify their bs, but it's absurd that they're anything more than a laughing stock to anyone but a select few.
They'll be able to play Beethoven's 5th Symphony 1st movement - it has an authentic tempo of 108bpm, even if most people play it at 130bpm or more. WBMP RULES OK.
What is the most effective method of promoting a certain type of music in the medium term? Officially ban the next generation of young people from listening to it.
This reminds me of early 2000s "rave laws" that banned events that featured music... and Adam just said exactly what I'm writing. (This also happened in USA)
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Anything can be 80-116bpm if you count it like a nerd:)
😂😂😂
Actually this song has a beat structure of heptadectuplets so even though it sounds to the philistine like it's at 7 bpm, it is actually a clean and very legal 119. Maybe we should make it a little slower, just to be on the safe side?
Are those numbers given in decimal or vigesimal?
@@Salsmachev ew dude
At least we get to listen to SpacePhonk: LxST Cxntxry, Kedela
Your honor, my song is not in 79 bpm, it's actually a 79/80 polymeter
Genius
disagreeing with a judge in Chechnya, not advised
“Polymeter is not allowed, you must state the actual beats per minute without using those tricks.”
As others have said, it is not a music ban, it's an excuse for a culture ban. Chechen authorities will not count the beats and then prohibit something, they'll just take down any concert or festivity they don't like alleging this law and be done with it.
Exactly
Like Palestine supporters in Germany. They just call someone an antisemite or Hamas supporter, then arrest them.
Except this is... FAKE.
Wanna buy a bridge?
@@Conserpov It's def not fake by the looks of it. How do you know?
@@thewhitefalcon8539 That's *complete* bs. And most Palestine supporters *are* Hms supporters, anyway. Lol
Laws like this are just a technicality. On the books to give them the ability to ban something whenever. Selectively enforced and never meant to actually be followed to the letter.
Yep, this.
Yes, but still bizarre and interesting, also depressing
Correct, it's very similar to hate speech laws, except a little more specific.
@@MrFreeGman Exactly. Where freedom of speech was a given right, its now turning into ‘swearing at someone as a white straight male is jail time’
The good ol' low posted speed limit.
Being from Chechnya myself, I'm actually really happy that you, Adam (fun fact: my father's name is Adam too), really liked ''Lezginka'' and even made some kind of analysis on it, even if that happened because of a weird reason to be honest, but anyways, thank you!
Do you still live in Chechnya? If so, have you seen this law take effect yet? Do people even follow the law?
@@BigKilla99 No, I live in Saint Petersburg, but almost every year I go to Chechnya to meet my relatives.
The only thing I can say is that I don't know anything about it's effect, but I can ask people who live there, so stay tuned :) Regarding the latter question it depends on how the law is... controlled I guess? I think people will still listen to whatever music they want, but more secretly, now nobody will throw a big party knowing that there's a risk of being punished.
@@umarelimbaev02 thanks for the info ✌️
@@BigKilla99 you are welcome!
@@umarelimbaev02 Is it even legal to have raves or techno dances there? Like, what even motivated this law to be passed?
RIP Chechnyan technical death metal scene.
chechen lezginkagrind is baned now
this is so sad
Yeah, it’s sad to see Chechen metal scene getting destroyed. It was so promising
Chechnical death metal.
Just play 32s and 64s. Issue solved
Nothing but breakdowns from now on
I'm going to write a piece that alternates between 80 and 116 every couple of bars. Don't dare perform it slightly wrong.
And in case anyone tries to get smug about fancy counting the lyrics go "all of these beats are quar-ter notes"
@@DuncanHarbisonBAHAHAH
Grindcore! :)
damn you preempted my comment about triplets good play
Any member of the rhythm section who pushes or drags the tempo may be subject to severe fines and possible imprisonment.
FITNESS GRAND PACER TEST OFFICALLY BANNED (75 BPM)
*The FitnessGram™ Pacer Test
FINALLY!
lil bro said fitness grand 🤣
"Up..."
Police: DOWN! DOWN!
How will we recover
"If you want the arts, fund them" is a simple message they aren't ready to hear
None of these rules lawyers wants the arts; they want to suppress any expression they don't like 💀
@@emilyrlnit's chechnia after all.
Oh, they do hire propaganda musicians. It's russia.
I mean i dont think any government is ready to hear this
@@emilyrlnwhat the saying means is "if you want to control the arts. Fund them"
So to summarise:
40-58 is OK!
58-80 is FORBIDDEN!
80-116 is OK!
116-160 is FORBIDDEN!
160 - 232 is OK!
Junglist massive!
120-174 should also be fine with triplets, so there's really only a range between 116-120 that's a problem.
freedom dive is ok (222.22 bpm)
160 - 232 ok? Sounds like a proper Darkpsy party. 😎
It's like learning how IP address ranges are reserved in my networking class. Seems so arbitrary.
Drummer's perfect pitch is where they know the exact BPM right away.
Also flips between 6 8 and 5 8.
"Come on guys, your tuning is totally flat. We've got to stay between E(-4) and B(-4) or we'll get arrested."
@@dananskidolf All guitars without squiggly frets shall be confiscated and burnt.
I'd call that some sort of perfect time.
My dad was a DJ before I was born and plays drums as a hobby and he has that ability
Интересно, что там у Муцураева по bpm. По ощущениям, всё чётко…
This is Chechnya's Footloose
They already enacted a policy to imprison anyone who could be seen as gay. It's a little late for footloose
Exactly what I was thinking 😄😄
i think that was when they killed all the gays.
😂
It is Chechen mullahs being "loose".
The Chechen cultural ministry won't measure bpm, they'll just ban "degenerate" music (or whatever the Chechen alternative of degenerate is).
Yup, leave it to fat, old Chechens to decide what is degenerate and what isn't.
yeah exactly
It’s rebel illi music, like Alimsultan Imam and Mucurai Temur.
Legitimate reasons might be:
- offending feelings of Islam fundamentalists
- "promoting LGBT"
- offending the state
@@Entrophiusthat may be but they're still not "legitimate" reasons.
As a huge fan of lezginka: this video ROCKS. I've never heard someone discuss its technicalities in English before! Should note that it's not just Chechen dance - it's performed in slightly different variations all around the Caucasus and by the Caucasian diaspora worldwide. Your first example video is from Kabardino-Balkaria, and while I can't find the original version of the second, it's got to be in front of Gostinny Dvor in St. Petersburg. Looks just like it.
Also, in case anyone was wondering, there will be no one in the Chechen government measuring the beat of every song. The law will be used reactively against individuals the state/community dislike already. Just like every repressive law in Russia.
Yup. It's an excuse to harass and repress the people they don't like.
Wish you would spend more time in Russia dancing and much less time murdering innocent people in foreign countries.
Indeed much as with the UK's "repetitive beats" thing. Classical music with repetitive rhythmic sections attended in concerts by poshos wasn't functionally illegal, only outdoor raves attended by the working class.
UK Government: _Bans "repetitive beats."_
UK Ravers: _Makes Breakbeat and Jungle._
Woohoo 🥳👍✨
Yup. it was/is such a stupid law!
Especially since the beats in most songs are repetitive. That's their purpose.
Tbf, breakbeat and jungle are just as repetitive as house and trance, unless you’re talking about stuff like Aphex Twin, or breakcore.
@@Stephen_Black I'm a drummer, so I don't disagree. Most breakbeat stuff isn't as crazy as people like to think and that includes a lot of what people nowadays call "breakcore." I see too many "breakcore" mixes that are basically just atmospheric jungle.
If you know how to find "the one," counting breakbeats is easy. It's rarely ever out of a 4/4 time signature.
Good, they can still perform CPR in Chechnya. "Stayin' Alive" is 104 bpm.
my favourite CPR song is Another One Bites the Dust (also legal at 112bpm).
i thought of CPR by cupcakke 😭 (103 bpm, so.. legal if you don't know the lyrics)
@@aiaioioi what the hell...
Most music bans are really just culture bans but trying to seem non racist. When there were jazz bands they just made different genres with similar themes
my man you need help
@@Aspencio No, he is spot on. Watch it from 5:37 and see their reasoning the Chechen minister gives for the ban.
For sure. Though as a Brit PoC that went to a few raves in the 90s lol, Thatcher was specifically going after the field raves via electronic music, mainly because she just hated ‘degenerate’ ravers, drug takers, any kind of non-‘classical’ culture, disorderlyness/passion, ‘nuisance'… but tbh most of the field ravers were white and middle class.
I also hear the kids nowadays actually learn about that law in secondary school music class.
People should also watch the doc by Jeremy Deller - Everybody in the Place, on RUclips. It’s an awesome social history of rave scene/acid house/uk politics in the 80s, set in a high school politics class of today.
(+ the chechen mullahs just hate all music and fun)
@@cemreomerayna463 im talking about the jazz thing because thats just wrong on every level
In the case of Chechnya, it seems like the ban is in an effort to prioritize more traditional Chechnyan music and culture.
One district mayor from my city banned all concerts. Luckily, they didn't specify what a concert is, so bands are now doing "recitals" and "public rehearsals".
That must look great on paper, that kind of rebranding definitely sounds like a levelup, such a sophisticated town!🧐
Now I wonder where you're from.
@@Seamannon Peru. The district I mentioned is called Barranco, in Lima city. It is a bizarre ban, because that district is known for its diverse music scene.
@@LON009 Thanks for your reply, I like to learn about strange things around the world. I'd probably never come across this information if it wasn't for you 😅
This seems like an absurd situation indeed. How did it come to be? Do you have any clue? Was it for some noise complaints from the inhabitants or something?
@@Seamannon It's all because of the paranoid far-right party that won the last city elections. Barranco is an artsy district, so, by banning concerts, they believe they are stopping "terrorists" from doing "secret rallies" or something.
That's very disconcerting.
I use my old school windup metronome with the slider. I haven’t moved it in years but I can practice ANY tempo off it. Its all in how you feel it.
Thanks for this video! One of my students just stopped singing and playing instruments in my music lessons, right after this law has been established, his family comes from Chechnya so probably this would be the reason. I am so sad!
As someone who comes from a culture that has these similar, weirdly conservative and traditionalist tendencies to just ban stuff left and right, I love watching people like this embarrass themselves on a global level. I have to live life cut off from western culture, at least I get to point and laugh on the internet.
As someone who has no context to what you're referring to, what did you find so funny about this?
Trump will ban music entirely if the evangelicals push him.
@@stoneneils Americans arguing which president is worse (they are both the worst presidents in the history of the U.S.)
@@stoneneilsThere are a lot of things you can say about trump and the evangelicals, but I don't think banning all music is on their agenda
@@stoneneilsI think you might just be schizophrenic.
"Bleed" by Meshuggah is 115bpm
It's only just legal in Chechnya.
I propose we play it wherever we go in Chechnya
Guerilla Radio is 104 bpm... We can go places with this
German Nazis put up signs "Swing Dancing prohibited". But one of their biggest movie stars Hans Albers did a song "Beim ersten Mal da tut's noch weh" (from the movie "Große Freiheit Nr. 7", filmed in 1943) that is pure big band swing, especially the part with the trumpet. So dictatorships seem to have a tradition of not doing what they preach, weird 😂
Simple. Many monarchy has banned specific color or ornament for regular people so that only royals or high people could own the feature.
I guess they just wanted to privatize their own signature musical flavor?
@@책쪼아먹는학헌not really. The Nazis banned swing music because it was American and untraditional ( therefore they viewed it as degenerate)
Interesting, where can I find more information regarding this, preferably unbiased, and free from allied propaganda (which is hard to find)
@@책쪼아먹는학헌exactly! Please should multiply and pay taxes, nothing more
OK for the record if this sounds nazism to you I am just so sorry...
I was just supposed to point out that they have double standards but apparently I just mislead yall... Sorry again...
They will soon regulate what speed you breathe.
But your honor, she told me she was dancing at 90 bpm. I didn't know, I mean, she looked fast enough.
Adam, if I ever organise a rave, you're invited as my musicologist. 🎉
Didn't get it until 7:21. :)
There was a joke, and I’m forgetting the specific wording, but basically in the UK, if you had four old men sitting around a gramophone playing German oom-pah music, it was technically a rave, and therefore illegal
Are raves illegal in UK?
Actually i don't know what is a rave (for UK people).
@@kaltziferYT "any gathering of 20 or more people where: 63(1)(b) "music" includes sounds wholly or predominantly characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats." It's not a quaint old law to chuckle at either, it is still in force to this day.
@@yorkletronik thnx
That's from one of the Technical Difficulties reverse trivia podcast episodes (can't remember which one).
@@yorkletronik So it'd actually be 21 old germans, not 4.
Kadyrov and his cronies simply don't know what else to do so they start doing weird things.
Like every politician
@@E0O2X314FT true but the ones in autoritharian countries get bored quicker.
@@E0O2X314FTnon-authoritarian politicians are usually replaced before they get bored
@@areksrocks3375 I mean technically we are all enslaved by the corrupt businessmen that choose and fund which politicians you can vote for.
@@user-qi1cs3zg3n Kidnapped like Julian Assange?
Challenge to create a mid-pace blackened death metal band based around Chechnyan cultural taboos accepted.
Thank you now I'm in love with LEZGINKA it's so freakin cool
And now it's both cool and illegal.
Which makes it even cooler.
i lived in chechnya for 5 years and it was surreal. just a local government getting progressively more ridiculous (but also in a scary way?) and just so contradictory
in school we were told that women singing is immoral. then someone pointed out chechen folk singing, they said it was ok. one girl asked why metal is "bad", they had no answer lol.
lezginka and chechen music is insanely popular there, there is no reason for this law other than to promote "morals and tradition". its really all performative, the local government loves doing a show of upholding chechen traditions but doesnt really enforce it, its just for local TV (and a way for ministers to get approval from kadyrov)
Maybe some contradiction are probably there because, maybe chechnyan culture is older than islam
A better way to spread the local music is to promote it. When you ban something, it just becomes more enticing to taste the forbidden.
Oh my God, if only Frank Zappa were alive today.... He would have a field day
My first thoughts 😂
We used to do a night on the second Saturday of every month and at the end of the night to clear the dancefloor we would always play ' Why does it hurt when I pee ' by Zappa.
Somewhere, right now, In an alternate universe, Frank is composing "The (mostly) Blank Page". 🤣
Indeed 👍🏼
The poor guy would lose his fucking mind.
The super fast 6/8 thing is also a big part of Irish traditional music
fr sometimes i redownload Lords of the Dance just to feel something
My cousin found out that he has 9 percent of Irish blood after he sent his analysis to some Texas university and we are Chechens by the way
P.S. - sorry for my english :)
It is. He has covered it before unsurprisingly lol.
@@Arycke do you know which video ?
@@goonyougoodthing I could have sworn I saw him mention it in a Q+A, too many to look back in :/ however, I may, and probably did, recall incorrectly think of his video "How to play in 9/8"
I think about this constantly when listening to black metal. The tremolo picking gets so fast that it starts to feel like more of a drone when I listen to it. And in fact, when my (Dominican) spouse and I first got together we discovered that bachata guitar work has a similar sort of vibe.
"The idea of regulating music [...] for the good of the people feels downright..."
Fascist.
"Platonic"
Oh.
Like minded 😂👍
@@Hajo87-tz7hz Hella! ♥
God damn it's good to hear your voice. Well paced video too, not too fast, not too slow. ❤️
The sweet spot of videos.
The greatest comment today....
You could say he talks at 80bpm
7:59 That's why UK artists have the mad breakbeat cuts. 4 on the floor is illegal and puts everybody to sleep.
"4 on the floor? More like snore on the floor" - UK electronic artists probably
@@MrOzzification Aye!
@@MrOzzification"More like four to the BORE, right?" "We got it, mate."
eyyy nice shoutout to chicago juke/footwork!!! I instantly thought of it when you started showing the lezginka!
AND an autechre shoutout?? damn dude.
To be fair, footwork is just a modern interpretation of 80s poppin' and lockin' from the Breakdance era.
I was looking for a comment like this! Didnt expect to see footworking be mentioned lol.
@@ericstearns170 ghetto house music and juke existed tho and that's the true root of footwork
Ditto. Footwork deserves a lot more attention from musicologists if only because of the unique rhythms found in it.
10:05 it's bold of you to assume that they are care about the fairness of their judgement
How are they going to ban ambient music? Its literally no bpm. lmao.
Bold to assume they've heard of ambient music or consider it music in the first place
"sounds (...) characterised by the emission of a succession of repetitive beats." So, basically all music.
Someone has got to have tried some sort of fractal meter where no two beat spacings repeat, right?
@@WillHirschUKI don't know if you would hear that as music...
@@CainXVIIsearch fractal music on RUclips I’ve seen a couple experimental videos and they seem pretty cool actually
@@WillHirschUK almost immediately in fact haha. That was the "have a lawyer and musicologist present when performing this track" song
They made me learn this dance when I was a kid. ROFLed from Malmsteen's playing matching lezginka so well. Would love to see people dance Black Star this way...
"Different levels of pulse salience" - finally I have an academic af way to describe how the time shifts in the album Tago Mago by Can.
The black market has many mp3 songs that are slowed down and you just play them on fast speed when the police are not around.
Ironically, I think this video might do more to promote Chechen music than the law does
9:21 The problem is, Chechnya couldn't really promote education or fund musicians bc (1) it's a fairly politically unstable region; (2) Chechnya basically exists on direct federal subsidies from Moscow which primarily (due to insane corruption) goes to Kadyrov and his circle; and (3) it's a Muslim-majority (Sufist Sunni) region.
Brother, it's not that they couldn't; they simply don't need that. This ban is just another demonstration of the power they have over their own people.
Yeah that's right. I'm chechen, and I like metal music. But sadly there is only a few people's who like this music. ((((
I bet that Chechnya wants to be an utopia for all its citizens and this was their last problem on the list. Now they are fucking dandy perfect.
Yup, unfortunately, rather than being a utopia, Sharia law is about as backwards and dystopian as it gets
Exactly.
That's literally North Korea - 2 because of ruzzian gowernment.
I heard about this story elsewhere, but nobody has done such a deep dive as this. I've been enjoying every video of yours for years now and it has brought my own musicianship to new heights. THANK YOU Adam Neely for just being so damn Rad.
Nice to see Dr. VanHandel on here! She was teaching at MSU when I was finishing my Doctorate there.
Interesting! IAAL, and whilst a flawed law for many reasons, s.63 of the Public Order Act 1994 doesn't really say that it's 'illegal for people to gather and listen to music with repetitive beats'. That's a bit of an over-simplification. :) The statute specifically notes a number of situations and qualifications, and gives police specific powers to deal with those. It's not a blanket restriction based solely on the musical style - which I am sure many folk will take what you said to mean.
HE’S BACK BABY
As always with these bans, the common folk will suffer, and the (rich) people in charge of the ban will ensure their children can travel abroad to listen to this highly dangerous foreign contaminated music.
Not the Chechens. It's not that kind of nation
@@vladalexeev8529 chechnya isn't a nation. Pretty much every ruling class is hypocritical in some way. Even the prophet was hypocritical.
@@testacals it's a country within a country. They are not regular region. It's a price for peace. But one thing is for sure, they don't send children to Switzerland or UK. They are just different kind of persons.
@@vladalexeev8529 Country is a vague definition itself but most people and most definitions of country agree that autonomous region within a country isn't a country. Otherwise countries like USA has 100s of countries within it.
@@testacals
"Otherwise countries like USA has 100s of countries within it."
Well, yeah. That's why they are called united STATES and each can have separate laws.
I didn't know why came to this channel until you showed me Lezginka over Malmsteen. Thank you.
Note to Chechens: Most heavy metal music is in the 80-120 BPM range. Bang your head!
I'm here! Thanks bud! 🤘🏻🐺
I've never heard of footwork but it reminds me of a group I used to hear a lot in Philly - Dollarboyz. I found a video of them from 2012 and the track was about 166 bpm, so send those boys to Chechnya! (if they want to go)
The kick drum typically plays two quarter notes followed by a pseudo-triplet of two dotted eighths and one eighth note. There are sometimes handclaps on 1 and 3, so you could easily take the handclaps as a pulse at 83 bpm.
8:10 Yes, gatherings around rave music are still banned in the UK. Don't worry, its not stopping anyone
ruclips.net/video/5uykVeZ8r6Q/видео.html&ab_channel=TheProdigy-Topic
That is not at all what is going on. Why are you lying? The only thing illegal is them being too loud and inconsiderate of people who don't wanna rave. A former office block in central London has been the subject of a closure order after endless illegal raves caused havoc for nearby residents with gatherings lasting over 14 hours, and music so loud it caused walls to shake.
@KYSMO they're not lying. "Powers to remove persons attending or preparing for a rave": www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/33/section/63
Amounts to them being banned.
@kayosgarden So people's quality of life is less important then a bunch of arseholes whose idea of a good time is spending all night drugged up in a room with damaging volumes of music, good to know. Sorry for being an evil fascist by valuing sleep a silence.
If ppl can afford to live in central London, very strong chances are they ain’t a social housing tenant, so therefore fuck em…. let’s rave!!!!!
Looking forward to everyone dropping their Chechen remixes
RETURN OF THE KING
I hope you're talkin about King Charles, footwork legend. :D
About the last thing I expected to see in a Adam Neely video.
Wait a minute, is HOUSE of the King safe? I hope so.😅
Crazy. I was not expecting to see my DMA thesis academic advisor Dr. vanHandel in this video haha.
8:05 - this is the law that prohibits making loud noise at night. In UK night I believe is defined by 11pm - 7am, within which time you need a license to make noise, which is why gigs often end at 11pm.
1:28 I was wondering whether this was a deliberate intentional ban of the traditional indigenous music? It's quite common for a colonialist government to try to ban traditional practices when they're trying to extinguish the indigenous culture. I think some native american dances and religious practices were illegal in the USA until fairly recently?
fwiw, i like this more relaxed non rushed, non pressured output you're making. seems like you're enjoying yourself more.
Never thought I'd see a crossover of Chechnya's politics and music theory
Where do you see Chechen politics? Has Chechnya become independent? No, Chechnya is a part of Russia where Russians have been killing Chechens for 30 years, just as they have been killing Ukrainians for the last 10 years.
Terrific! What a fun and informative video! 🙂
The great thing about the accordion is that you can really shred fast with perfect pitch for each note. It provided speed that was not previously possible in the regions music.
It's insanely disturbing that governments think it's acceptable to ban music, not just by genre, but even going as far as regulating its speed. Wtf is wrong with our species.
I know it was a rhetorical question but the deep question about how we form identity and its role in social cohesion and conflict is a deeply serious one. FWIW I think some of the answers lie in Terror Management Theory. It's a complex theory but it does make sense of why cultural constructs are universal and persistent and why threats (real or perceived) create great (and even violent) conflict.
So we’ve decided to ban songs that are too slow or too fast… except that one… except that one… and that one is ok too.
VanHandel was actually a little known and shortly-lived incarnation of Van Halen when they recorded “Too Hard to Handel” with Chris Robinson of the Black Crowes on lead vocals
Chechnya must love Morbid Angel. A lot of their work lies directly within that BPM range. “This Means War” is a 103 BPM skull basher. They should check it out and play it loud.
The point of all of these kinds of laws is to create the opportunity for law enforcement and the government to differentially apply it to people and things they don’t like. For example, the wealthy area of Mercer Island near Seattle has an ordinance banning camping equipment in its parks, but of course the ordinance is only there so it can be applied to have a legal reason to make certain people leave.
😳When she said people usually tap ~100bpm i paused the video and tried it myself.
I instinctively started tapping in threes at an EXACT bpm of 240. When you explained chechen dance music as exactly this i had to rewind the whole video to see if it played before and somehow got into my subconscious or if i genuinely have chechen dance music ingrained in my soul.
I might have to do a dna test now😅
Not me thinking on making music from now on in 117 BPM 🙂
It's a not bad BPM for melodic techno
Authoritarians be like ...
Producers be like "Dubstep's still legal? Let's have some fun."
Chechnya is not about authoritarianism, it is about what will happen to your country if you are occupied by the Russians. After the Russians killed many thousands of Chechens in two bloody wars, all the rulers of Chechnya are directly installed by Moscow.
I swear we’re not too far from this kind of ban in Florida. Holy shit things are getting bad law-wise, keep the sane folks here in your thoughts.
Кто бы мог подумать, что Адама Нили вернут в игру новости из Чечни
Чечня нынче другим Адамом на весь мир славна(
@@Pharisaios не преувеличивай, кому он нахрен кроме пост-совка сдался
ещё и такие позорные :(
THIS VIDEO NEEDS TO GO VIRAL! What tempo is 'too fast', or 'too slow', is always a hot topic for my fiddler friends & I - but it's hard to realize that idiotic politicians are still making these kinds of disgusting decisions for people on this planet. Always appreciate what you offer up, Adam! 🤗
We have lived up to the moment when Adam tries to play lezginka on the bass guitar.They will give a medal for this, but to another Adam
Somebody somewhere said something along the lines of " 'Protecting the children' is often code for 'controlling adult lives' ", or something like that. If the children need to learn of their Chechen heritage and its vintage music, they should teach it in their schools or on some Chechen TV programs, or by their parents' choice. *_DON'T BAN 90% OF ALL OTHER MUSIC!!_*
Arizona just enacted a law from 1864 (Before it was even a state!) that banned women from having an abortion! NOBODY CARES ABOUT ANTIQUATED RELIGIOUS LAWS FROM CENTURIES AGO!!!
All of this is outrageous! WTF is going on!?
The right all across the world has lost their minds shadow boxing with imaginary phantoms.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction:- Isaac Newton.
@@b00ts4ndc4ts Then why is everything always moving towards the extreme right?
@@b00ts4ndc4tsyeah, nah. All reactions we’ve been seeing are definitely disproportionate. Do you think it’s normal to threaten to jail doctors just for helping women deal with doomed pregnancies? Gtfoh.
@@b00ts4ndc4ts pee is stored in balls - Plato
"Platonic" was not the word that I would have come up.
Plato was a _very_ opinionated man. You can say "Platonic" about just about anything, as long as it's strict, arbitrary and immaterial.
lol i thought the same
Why not? The strict control of music for the sake of societal order appears in the Republic, among other places. I think its in book 3. A lot of people associate this idea with Platon as well, hence making it Platonic
@@dank5018 I think because that's just isn't the main thing people associate with the term "platonic." We're used to its use for platonic friendships (i.e. non-sexual) or platonic solids (i.e. quintessential) or something referencing "The Cave."
Also, because they were probably thinking of another word that is more derogatory. "Platonic" has an air of academic legitimacy to it.
@ZipplyZane that comes from the idea of a "platonic ideal" plutonic relationship comes from the fact that Plato disagreed with Greek ideas of marriage. It is still perfectly normal to use Platonic to refer to ideas that are related or similar to Plato's
Lovely watch!
Made me think, I feel like the structure of swing beats is almost optimized to resist the half-time feel
perhaps the hats on 2 and 4 and lack of strong downbeat on most measures make it harder to believe in a half or quarter time feel when you hear a swing beat at 260bpm
I’m amazed this video has been up 3 days and the typo in the title hasn’t been fixed yet
Love the video. Love how you've turned a silly oppressive law into something educational and fun. (Not that it matters but some of my family comes from Chechnya.)
Chicago foot work isn't Hip Hop its actually HOUSE music because Chicago is where house music started, also Drum N Bass/Jungle would've been the better example as the bass and sometimes the melodies play at half time and you dance to it at half time
I thought it was more breakbeaty.....more akin to garage than house
Didnt even think about House music in regards to Chicago Foot Work, but it makes a lot of sense!
@@smoothsavage2870 Yup it went House > Ghetto House > Juke. Dance crews was always a thing in Chicago, They dance crews would get the dj's to pitch the records up and that's how this style of music started. Check out Detroit Jit dancing which is Detroit Techno but the records are speed up
@@stereokuuji Haha. Garage is House as well, but you might be talking about UK Garage/2-Step which is often breakbeat, though there's plenty of 4/4 UK Garage tracks as well. Footwork has its roots in Chicago Juke (a lot of people still call footwork "Juke"), which is 4/4 housey music and a lot of the Chicago producers make both breakbeat & 4/4 juke tracks and mix them together in the same sets. The genre was 4/4 first though and evolved out of the house scene. I guess similar to how breakbeat 2-Step Garage evolved out of New York Garage House.
This is absolutely ridiculous! At least you're able to report on it in your usual entertaining and incredibly informative way, but damn!
Slowed&Reverbed and Nightcore had entered the chat, I guess...
Also, of course it would be Chechnya to go with that...
omg you played that Daddy Yanky intro and my skin started to crawl inmediately. I've been waiting for reggaeton to die since it became the absolute dominant music of all latin america. I remember saying it was just a fad, and here we are, decades later still hearing this music with every single one with the exact same beat pattern and the same sexist content.
Great video, love your outlook on music
I guess Archspire isn't touring in Chechnya any time soon.
Or Sunno)))
@0:13 The Chechen Republic of Ichkeria fought two wars against Russia in the 90s. They won the first war along with their temporary independence, but lost the second partly because of certain people turning traitor. But even the "Pro-Russian" Kadyrovites aren't particularly fond of Russia(and vice versa). If they hadn't banned their own anthem in the process I can totally see them banning the Russian anthem as a diplomatic F U with plausible deniability.
I bet they made this law not because of the tempo, but because of corruption within inner circles involving particular groups or people, and the government wanted a reason to discriminate against them further
Who?
Are you a bot? Someone else has the same exact comment aa you
@@CaseUltrathe other person was the bot i think
@@twhylerm still doesn't answer who the groups are
@@twhylerm yeah its the other person
5:01 with the snare on that it's 80 BPM, not 160 BPM.
Imho the snare tells you wether its ½, 1, 2 x the kickdrum. Or even ¼ x or 4 x.
Anyhow, this is what they call draconic ruling: doing what you must do to make it better, while disregarding what other people want. So in effect, making everything worse.
I've actually heard that Chechnyan song before when I was in Switzerland, living with an Indorbaev (son of gangster Arbi) who I ended up teaching music to. There was that thing about speed that comes up with all new players and he played me that national dance tune which I admit is quite impressive. 6/8 lends itself to speed, rolling all 4 fingers on a key/fret board I think allows the mechanics to flow more naturally, for example tapping out a power chord with the 5th and octave on the right hand responding to the root and 3rd inversion on the left up and down as a rudiment is so easy....and you can go insanely fast with practice!
It is so amazing to me how seriously these clowns take themselves... As well as how easily they hold onto power even after all their embarrassments. Sure, they are blind to it themselves and will always justify their bs, but it's absurd that they're anything more than a laughing stock to anyone but a select few.
They'll be able to play Beethoven's 5th Symphony 1st movement - it has an authentic tempo of 108bpm, even if most people play it at 130bpm or more. WBMP RULES OK.
What is the most effective method of promoting a certain type of music in the medium term? Officially ban the next generation of young people from listening to it.
This reminds me of early 2000s "rave laws" that banned events that featured music...
and Adam just said exactly what I'm writing.
(This also happened in USA)
I'd love to see videos more frequently from You! 😎
UK government: Repetitive beats forbidden.
Autechre: OK. (invents Drill 'n' Bass)
That neck crack at 9:53... Ouch!
Congrats to Archspire for making music so fast that even if it was felt at its half time speed it would still be banned in Chechnya
Footwork is a House sub-genre, not a HipHop sub-genre.
a minor note but an important distinction
This is an awesome video. Adam, you are smart and terrific.