Cwicly is shutting down. What now?
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Hi Grant. I've been a fan of your videos and really thought you were a huge positive impact for Cwicly as one of the only dedicated content creators for it (that I've seen, at least). Coming back to Bricks is a really great option for you, I would think. Would love to hop on a call to discuss workflow, especially as it relates to everything else you've got going on. I think you might be interested in some things we're about to do.
Hi Kevin, I completely agree with you. Grant's videos about Bricks Builder are excellent. He has a talent for explaining things concisely and cleverly. I was disappointed when he switched from Bricks Builder to Cwicky. I also enjoy your videos; you are one of the best Bricks Builder teachers in my opinion.
However, I disagree with Grant when he said that he might switch back to Elementor. If we go down this path, innovative tools like Bricks Builder won't stand a chance. If you guide people back to Elementor because it's a safe bet and has been on the market for a long time, then outstanding builders like Bricks Builder won't stand a chance. Elementor is problematic for me; I chose Bricks mainly for its speed, especially on mobile sites where Elementor was a real pain.
I also appreciate your Automatic CSS plugin, but I don't use it, and I won't use it because I try to be free and have as few dependencies as possible.
It would be different if you could integrate it into Bricks Builder. I have a feeling that this is in the works, I hope so. So please support builders like Bricks and not Elementor as a safe bet. Otherwise, we'll all end up at the same place.
Hi Kevin, thank you for those kind words. I just completed your Contact Form on geary.co. , keen to see what you've got planned. I'm sure "some things we're about to do" has a few people here excited
I was kidding about Elementor comment at the end :P
I hope this call between you two happens and goes well!
Bricks + ACSS 3.0 is sure to be a mind-blowing combination (if I know Kevin).
Now even happier about my choice to go with a Bricks and Core Framework combo
Good choice
Core Framework is interesting. Why did you choose that over ACSS ?
was so close to jumping over to Cwicly - Thank god I stuck with bricks
I looked at both, ACSS had more features at the time, as CF had just released their Bricks plugin. I also liked the UI of CF more. Both do the task I need them to do, so the option to snap up a lifetime unlimited license for CF was a no brainer. Lots of good updates since my purchase. It just keeps getting better.@@GrantAmbrose
Great insights here, Grant! Looking forward to hearing more about the new offer!
Thanks Mark!
I saw all the Funnel Kit videos, its great to know your are pushing their content of the best Funnel Pluging
Thanks Arturo!
Lol, thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts. I know how keen you were on Cwicly, and I'm sorry that has happened to everyone who loved it. Appreciate all you're doing and enjoying your FunnelKit content too BTW.
I always respect your well considered takes and recommendations. I would love to hear your thoughts if you take a closer look at the new GenerateBlocks with classes and grid. I'm tossing up between GB and Bricks.
Either sell it to another team to take care of it.
Or
Make it open source Wordpress builder, The best would be Merge it with Gutenberg editor.
Hi Grant, I was a huge fan of your Bricks videos, I hope you'll make a couple of those in the near future!
Crazy! Glad I only used it on personal projects.
Yeah I wonder how many sites people got to building with Cwicly. Hopefully waiting out until Tailwind was finished helped reduce the problems for some users needing to switch now
A month ago I just started a huge project with Cwicly and very much valued your tutorials. I honestly have no idea why Louis felt the need to blame others for the ‘failure’ here. Either way, excited to see what you choose next!
What are you going to use now?
After deliberate research on, I pulled the trigger on cwicly for a client project less than 3 weeks ago. Like you said, now we also have to consider whether other tools likely to survive or suffer the same fate.
Oh well, at least I'm not aline here... Will be coming back here to see what you or your audience choose as a replacement.
how far did you get into building the website?
We were getting ready to publish within the next week. Just fixing details and waiting for client's final site content 😅@@GrantAmbrose
I finished the MVP, which is by fortune quite simple. I was starting to work on custom interactions and more advanced elements when I saw their e-mail. @@GrantAmbrose
@@GrantAmbrose the MVP was almost finished, except for missing info and some interactions.
Then... Upon their announcement I wrote to them to ask if I could still finish and publish the website while I build on a new platform and if getting a refund impacted this... Days passed and they didn't answer. Later, they just issued a refund and cut-off my service.
Then I asked via e-mail what had happened and they just said that it was because I had been refunded.
Worst experience with a saas provider ever. Specially the friction and discomfort this has caused with my client.
Basically affecting my reputation as a service provider.
Hey Grant, now that Greenshift plugin have a powerful Class System, variables, interaction layers, and a lot more new stuff, it would be great that you give it a second chance. All the Best!
Thanks for an honest video. Personally, I recently switched to Bricks Builder, but I'm also watching GP. Anyway, I hope Cwicly gets bought by a good developer. With some UI updates it could become bigger than Bricks if Gutenberg got "fixed" in the meantime.
Thanks for the commentary Grant. Choices - Bricks, Generate Press/Blocks or Greenshift ?
I am sooooo excited to play with Bricks and GP/GB. I think GreenShift is moving too fast for what makes me comfortable to use it. I know, that's great when I developer is working so hard on it, but things are changing very fast also and (maybe) not as planned out? I don't know, Igor at GreenShift seems great, I think I want to see it mature more after what just happened with Cwicly (and I hate saying that, as I wish I could support the smaller dev teams)
@@GrantAmbrose - Hey Grant, sorry for chime in with this message 🙂
Igor Sunz provided this interesting response in the Facebook Greenshift community to a user concerned about the future of Greenshift: "We are not big team and we are working remotely so we don’t have big operational costs. Currently we didn’t spend money for promotion, we have enough funds for several years of development and currently we are concentrating to polish everything and to make finished ecosystem rather than just Gutenberg plugin. And this takes time. But when we will take our first goal, we can grow fast. I already have some investors which are interested so it’s not a problem to be bigger, but I still searching the proper place in future of WP. Things are changing very rapidly now, and it’s important to get proper way and proper people around you".
I see you have some concerns about the continuity and future of Greenshift, especially after what happened with Cwicly. However, Igor Sunz has been in the WordPress business for 10 years with his successful "ReHUB theme" (published in May 2014) from ThemeForest. This theme is still thriving. Currently, they are migrating all ReHUB demo sites to the Greenshift Gutenberg plugin. So considering the longevity and success of the ReHUB theme, It gives me the confidence that Greenshift development will continue for many years to come.
It would be AWESOME if you could show some love ♥ and support for Greenshift with some videos about it, just as you are planning to do with Bricks and GeneratePress/GenerateBlocks. Perhaps you might be interested in trying out Greenshift's great integration with the Core Framework. This integration has been improved in the latest Greenshift update.
Bricks + Gutenbricks
Gutenbricks is quite new, though. Are you going to use that in 50 websites? It's the same problem as Cwicly for me
@@GrantAmbrose GenerateBlocks is getting into a class-based workflow in their 1.9 version if you want to try something that passed the test of time.
"Maybe we should all just use Elementor" 😂 Great video, Grant. Come back to Bricks! 🤗
She’s calling, and I’m hearing her 🤓
Should have stuck with Bricksbuilder bro. Sorry for your loss
Pinegrow has a ton of potential but the workflow and UI needs an update badly. What I love about it though is that you don't need to keep it installed. It does everything a page builder does, but just kind of clunky. After my experiences with the Oxygen debacle and now Cwicly, I'm feeling really hesitant to invest in another page builder though. Bricks hasn't been around long enough for me to feel confident. I don't trust that Breakdance wont be an Oxygen repeat. And Elementor is awful. I wish Cwicly had just sold to a new dev team...
I started off with Pinegrow but after I encountered so many issues I had to move on. Also Pinegrow how can we verify its stability? I suppose all these builders have the potential of suffering the same fate. Bricks has quite the following and many third party developers. But you are indeed correct, it is new and developed by a small team. I am honesty considering hardcoding everything again. Builders are very convenient and we become complacent with our coding skills as a result.
Never used Cwicly but it makes no sense to punish the actual users of your product as a response to negativity. Hope they actually have a better reason. I'm glad I picked up Bricks, still seems solid (also I'm German so overall it meshes well with my brain lol). Something I want to try for native Blocks/FSE is Greyd Suite.
May concider Builderius. Wait for their update due for the the end of the month. Next option sure is Bricks.
Louis mentioned about Cwicly service will shutdown until end of year, I wonder what's next? Will all of our project built with Cwicly not useable anymore or we can still use the function of it? TBH I still think Cwicly is going to be the best, even without it been getting updates.
This year you'll just get updates so that Cwicly doesn't break. But really, you want to swap to something else ASAP. Over time I can imagine support response times will get increasingly longer as the team move onto other things and dwindle down in numbers
@@GrantAmbrose This really sucks, we built so many big projects with Cwicly
damn, sorry to hear that
What a pain. Nowhere to go. The old way... Bricks, Oxygen etc building on top is sunset if you ask me. Future is blocks like it or not. Maybe generateblocks but looks like a more basic version of Cwicly to me with very basic docs so...
Same
@@MichaelThomasDev "blocks" are useless for overall site structure and interconnectivity of features, APIs, 3rd parties, other plugins etc etc. Not everything is a tidy little independent fully encapsulated "block".
That works fine for a blog page maybe with "straight down" content that fits in an overarching template, but I wouldn't want to design the whole site in it.
Compare something like Bricks, which contains both the theme as well as all the code for the building tools (so not extra plugins needed). it doesn't have to hack itself on top of whatever iteration Gutenberg is going through, or change itself whenever GB adds a feature that makes a similar feature in the builder obsolete.
Agreed. The future is Blocks, but the current options are quite limited. The new GenerateBlocks class system is interesting, though. I just finished watching the live stream on The Admin Bar channel with Kyle. I heavily rely on Woo, so I wish there were answers to when the Woo Integration would be more focused on. I will probably install it this week and have a play with the Alpha
Hi, Could you comeback using Bricks ❤. Your bricks tutorial is something wonderful
Generatepress + generateblocks might be an option for you. However, i hope we see bricks videos again from you :)
Have you also though about Greenshift?
It would be great to hear Grant thoughts about Greenshift, now that it have Classes, variables, interaction layers, visual grid builder, coming soon Big update for the Greenshift FSE companion theme, and a lot more improvements.
GreenShift seems to be doing a lot of changes really fast. Which is great for the product but maybe hard to manage if you're building lots of client websites with it?
I'm hoping they grow. I think they need to organise their tutorial content online a bit better though. It's hard to see what's going on?
@@GrantAmbrose Agreed! I was really interested in their builder but it isn’t as straightforward as I would like….however hearing about Cwicly, I’m not inclined to go with companies that dont have a strong footing
hey, Grant! while i'm still processing my shock and sadness about what happened to cwicly, i'm also having to worry about the migration process, because... well... life goes on, right? so, i'm really considering going to bricks, and since you've talked a lot about bricks on your channel, maybe you could make a video tutorial of how to migrate a complete site (with custom post types and all) from cwicly to bricks? i have no clue where to start, and this tutorial could be of great help. thank you!
Damn! Sorry to hear. I am just going to clone to staging, putting on some music with a coffee near by and powering through. Taking it as an opportunity to learn a new skill or play with a new tool. I will try bricks and ACSS and when I have time GP/GB and ACSS so I can learn how they both work. I open Bricks yesterday. It’s just so nice to use.
How big is your site ?
@@GrantAmbrose thank you for the reply! yeah, that music + coffee focus mode is definitely the way to go! :D
yeah, i'm kind of excited to dive into bricks too, from everything i hear about it. that was my plan B since the beginning, so i guess it's time! i'm seriously considering ACSS too. i've been following Kevin and watching his videos for the last couple of months, and he really got me interested in ACSS. i love the philosophy behind it.
the site i have to migrate it's a non-profit's i volunteer to as a photographer, and since i have a background in software development, i also volunteered to build a new website for them. about its size, it has around 12 pages (no blog posts yet), 4 custom post types (with custom fields), 6 templates and 3 template parts. it's not that big, but it's also not that trivial for me, so i think it's gonna take some working hours to rebuild that.
as for my personal site, i haven't started it yet. i was going to use cwicly on it also, i purchased a licence on december 2023 but didn't even get the chance to use it. at least this is one less site i'll have to migrate... hehehe. i'll just go straight to bricks (and maybe ACSS) when building my personal website.
anyway, i'll keep following your channel to see what else you're up to when you bring new videos. bricks + ACSS, and GP/GB + ACSS looks promising! ;)
@@brunoguerchon -- in case you would like to stay in Gutenberg, you should try the Greenshift plugin since it is the only Gutenberg plugin that comes close to Cwicly in functionalities and feature-set. Additionally, if you like to work with CSS Frameworks, Greenshift have a great integration with the "Core Framework". I'm not part of the Greenshift Team, I'm only a super happy user and I love to spread the word and love😉.
Cwickly is so cool, such a great pity.
What happened your Greenshift videos?
I've never made them :S
Came back to Bricks, please 🙏 ❤
Hey man , can you share your headphone model :3
Audio technica BHPS1
It’s time for you to try the power of Bricks + Advanced Themer ;)
👀
The generateblocks alpha looks promising by satying on the blocks base
I like how they handled styling child elements in the UI. I thought that was clever. Tom also made it seem like things will happen from hereon much faster. I am keen to see what they do with Woo
i would choose a detail oriented german geek and a politically incorrect american homeboy without thinking about it twice. bricks/acss will prevail and go long term due to the pursuit of excellence, determination, transparency, and work ethic. if anything, i worry about wordpress itself having too many cooks in the kitchen offering too many dishes.
Maybe the way to go is just a FSE theme & Gutenberg with some custom coding here and there. Pinegrow is also interesting. You can use it to build custom Gutenberg blocks and install them as a plugin. I've been thinking for a while just learning Pinegrow and then building up a collection of my own blocks.
I watched a couple of videos on Pinegrow. Do you think it would be a good option for building sites at scale, or more suited to larger complex projects?
@@GrantAmbrose I'm just a web design student, and I'm new to Wordpress, so I can't really say. I spent most of last year learning Webflow. Adam Lowe seems like the main youtuber who makes videos on it.
One cool feature is you can either create custom Gutenberg blocks and export them as a plugin, or else create a custom theme (classic style, no FSE for now). Also, Pinegrow itself isn't a page builder, and the plugin can be completely uninstalled before handoff with no consequences.
Like I said, I haven't really used it much myself yet. It's much more similar to hand coding in VS code than a page builder, but it is like a GUI based code editor.
Well... they just released 1.4.1.2
Although I do appreciate it... why not pull the plug?
Bricks!
I tell you what, many people feel exactly the way you do, me included, ready to move into full dev with this thing that had the potential to win over every other tool, the problem is devs don't really know which market they really wanted to fit in. I think Louis really don't care about the user base, but he cares a lot about himself, that's why playing the victim card is the only way he can play it.
I actually thought the opposite. They went full steam ahead with Tailwind, which is pretty much saying "we want to focus on developers". Especially when you then need to start building mobile-first. Imagine not having a bit of developnent experience and you open up Cwicly with mobile-first active and you're trying to build your website. You'd be lost AF
@@GrantAmbrose Yes exactly, that's right but they knew they were attracting the elementor/Beaver/thrive community, people like me who were just starting ti code. But suddenly quit saying its the best for all parts... Well i just think its the worst attitude while I recognize every effort they make. It is as sad as annoying.
This is really bad and I don't think that blaming others because of your failures or your inability to deal with them help anyone. It is something else, don't be surprised if in the near future you find a tool that does the same under any other name and probably not even Louis behind it..
Elementor is dying, seems like they do not care about fixing simple bugs of his UI , because sucks , maybe you can make more videos about Bricks.
Do you use Bricks on its own or also with third-party add-ons?
@@GrantAmbrose Sadly im stuck with Elementor because in where i'm working they bought 25 sites plan, i told them to buy Bricks lifetime when it was 300 bucks but , they missed the opportunity, but i would like to switch to Bricks , seems more web development oriented.
Maybe the good thing that Brick has is that AFC works full functional , with repeatable and group fields , Elementor don't.
What is your process for building Elementor websites. Do you go Figma -> Develop, or do you use website templates?
@@GrantAmbrose I'm sure Bricks Builder users have at least one extra plugin to either streamline their workflow or extend the functionality of the builder.
PS: It'd be great if you redo the online course without lms video in bricks this time since you already have bricks.
@@GrantAmbrose Sometimes i use Figma or XD , now the last one , but mostly by eye because i don't have an XD account also im stuck to it because the designer uses it and im trying to tell him that switch to figma.
Kevin Geary is the one who is responsible for this one. He attacked Cwicly more often in comparison to bricks. That guy Kevin is very hostile.
That's so not true. Kevin places Cwicly second to Bricks. He even got ACSS integrated into Cwicly, so what are you talking about?
Haha nah quitter's gonna quit thats all and then call it on someone or something else, you have no argument, looks like you have not been following the scene, cwicly had the tools to destroy every competitor but they chose to follow the ego, and this is business, product to market fit, and cwicly have not defined their market....
Not true at all. Mafiasalesman is absolutely right
Not true at all, Geary has said nothing but good things about cwicly ,
I couldn't agree more, Kevin can be blunt but he backs it on facts and his general principles of scalability and maintainability, and if anything he's always providing constructive feedback that will only strength the product if taken action on.@@mafiasalesman