Ef struggles to understand possibilities
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It's a wonder India hasn't won a FIFA World Cup, so many of us have become experts at shifting goalposts
Clever
Hindu Apologist Toolkit spotted!
1. Start with general discussion on God.
2. Pretend to be a Theist
3. When out of options show your agnosticism as per convenience.
4. Start differentiating between culture and religion.
5. Keep on changing goal posts till the person on the other side runs out of patience.
Also push the savarna propaganda that caste is not based on birth as they know if they make it popular enough they can get rid of reservation from the people that already have had a hell past also they won't and can't resist as you have equated religion with the religion in their minds so they can't go against you
Culture and religion is offcourse not same you fool.. thats why hindu society could remove sati pratha, dowry, bahu patnitva etc from their society and slowly it will also remove cast system also.. because all these are not mentioned in sanatan hindu dharm.. that is sanatan hindu philosophies..
that guy is the biggest time waster I have seen in the history
If Mental Athletics is an Olympics game, then Ef will win all Medals 😂😂😂😂
Ef will be an example of what to do to minimize probability of losing the game.
His brain aint braining
Math aint mathing either
You can take a horse to water but you can't force it to drink.
I highly doubt this person was OBC. He said it without you even asking it, and it just seems like he wanted to say it so that he can add more weight to his arguments.
Many oppressor communities happen to be "OBC"s.
@@CallmeTomorrow65that's the effect, not the cause. The cause is casteism, which was created by you know who.
16:04 you can thank me later🤣
@Science Is Dope I think you understand the mathematical problem Ef had, he thinks if there is an event A. The probability of it happening P(A) and the probability of it not happening P(A') are always equal. i.e. P(A) = P(A') which is false. The relationship between them is actually P(A) + P(A') = 1.
Even one of my friend had this same problem had a hard time explaining this to him as well.
I love how his accent changed mid conversation. Lol 😂
Because his religious beliefs got hurt 💔 by facts
17:31 Conversation after “Be repectful” was the best part!😂😂
Verse 41 of that chapter says, “Of Brahmanas, Kshatriyas and Vaishyas, as also the Sudras, O Arjuna, the duties are distributed according to the qualities born of their own nature!
This does not mean it must
So its about nature which a person gets after being little adult...due to the some birth qualities, through atmosphere he grows up and through his own choices and karmas.. not only by birth..
Possibility & Probability are two different things
😂
Yes exactly winning a lottery so either you win or loose 50% chance 😂
@@amaranthswami2577 so by your logic probability of getting a particular number while throwing a dice is 50-50? Either that number will come up or not, right?
@@sukritdubey2630 no probability is 1/6 that is 16%
@@amaranthswami2577 then why don't you use that while thinking about a lottery ? Or you were just being sarcastic? My bad if it was latter
@@sukritdubey2630 i was being sarcastic about it. 🥺🥺.
I wanted to know what he would have said if Vimoh just accepted the 50/50 😂
Summary:
Ef: No no no no no, like, like like... exist or doesn't exist, vahi tho, vahi tho, I believe in god, no no no, I am with you I am 50 50, bro bro bro...... Gradual change of accent, brother, brother. Thinks he got jokes.
Vimoh : Gradually losing his patience.
This was the funniest chat on your channel 😂
broo brother... lol
😂😂😂
Thanks a lot! And someone please explain Ef the meaning of impossible. Give hm a bloody dectionary.
Bro, bro, bruh, bruh, bruuhhhh
Vimoh, you reasoning is so damn good that aam log use nahi samaj pane vale. Or may be they don’t want to understand.
My god... this Ef is an effing nightmare. Your patients ins saint like. Respect bro. I gotta master this.
Koi is sajjan ko class 12 ki probability ka chapter padhao.
All phenomenons doesn't need to be equally likely so it's not 50-50. In this case humans have imagined or created a philosophy in order to describe the metaphysical reality which was completely intuitive and not based on any solid or empirical evidence.
Let's put it in this way. Let's assume there are 'x' explanations available for describing the reality of universe and 'brhama' is one of those. All the scientific theories and explanations offered by other religions or philosophers are also included in this 'x'. So, the probability that Brahma theory is the true one is not 1/x because there are more probable theories which are based on reliable and good evidences. So, obviously these theories are more probable than the Brahma theory and hence the probability of Brahma theory being true goes much lower than 1/x. Now 'x' is not one or two or three there are soo many explanations and soo many possibilities that you can't even count.
Ohh man ! I was about to say the same thing ...and then people ask where is the use of the maths and science we study in school...this is the use 😂
You need science and math to become rational and not a sheep.
Probability.... LOL! Padhi hoti to itna sar nahi khata!
aise to pankhe ke niche mujhe nhi baithna. either it will fall or not fall. 50% chance of death.
@@VY-zt3ph abhi bhi probability samaj nai aayi tuje
I toss a coin then there is a 50-50 chance it will either be heads or tails, but if I dont have a hand there is no possibility of an outcome.
I open my cupboard and there might be a golden egg 50/50 chance
There either is or there isn't😂
Everything is not a coin
May be there is a dice
At first, he said he's an atheist, then he claimed God exists, and later he argued that God doesn't exist. After that, he began defending a specific religion and its sacred texts. I still don't understand how someone can be so inconsistent and confusing. Seriously, it's baffling tfffff
That's just typical Hindugiri. They play the slippery game.
@@vimohlive you could've argued better in my opinion. The 'possibility' thing could've been easily debunked with the argument of infinite possibilities
I've seen many of your videos, and I love the fact that all your callers conveniently don't have their DP on display. Plausible deniability :) Well done, bro. Keep it up and looking forward to more videos.
Used to have them. But a man once changed his DP to a dick pic on the live stream. Since then, have stopped doing so. People are still allowed to keep their webcams on though. Feel free to come and show your face while talking.
I missed the live. So I watched the entire thing last night. Enjoyed this thoroughly goalpost shifting argument.
He got offended because you swore at Sanatana Dharma. Then he defended the Bhagavad Gita. He started with Advaitha. Then disowned god itself by being atheist.
This was a troll, Vimoh. Hence proved.
Pandus wife mandri sat on his funeral pyre , got sati ! 😢 so technically mahabaharat has sati
But first wife didnt do that, which means it was not compulsory.. it was on your choice..
@@rahulmranade she didn't bcoz she had 3childs to raise. But madri had 2 and that bcoz of kunti only. So... Sacrifice Bcoz it was compulsory
Debate was good and when it came to the caste conversation ,he is a perfect fodder for science journey...
He arguments will be eaten alive there...
Never heard an OBC guy saying “broooo” “bruuuhh” before
hey just watched mr robot episode 1
You just do not have enough friends of that caste, or your friends haven't told you theirs. I have one such friend.
32:44 it's about the probability rate of the two possibilities, that's how it cannot be 50/50. This requires creating a probability rate with verifiable evidence for either one of the possibilities. This leads to the result of which possibility is more probably closer to reality.
Well put
What patience vimoh.. amazing.
Dimag ka bheja fry😂
Its so frustrating to hear him say "Bruhh" "Bruuh".
And that effing accent 😅
I only noticed it on rewatch. Went progressively desi with time
@@vimohlive hahaha
Was scrolling through the comments section to check if anyone pointed out the fake accent, finally found this. 😂. ‘Bro’ thought gift wrapping *sh*t* will win him an argument. Vimoh, you should have asked him if he’s comfortable in Hindi, because he definitely wasn’t in English with all the accent, why pretend.
4 disprins ek saath khani pad gayi mujhe bhaisahab Ef please 🙏🏼
The guy is totally confused between possibilities and probabilities. Just because something is possible, it doesn't become probable
Good one vimoh
Vimoh, first of all, even if there are only 2 options, it doesn't mean they have 50% probability each. The caller wanted you to agree on 50% probability because his argument was based on that (a variation of Pascal's wager, I would assume). Also, I'm surprised why you didn't point out more hardcore caste references in other Hindu scriptures (Manusmriti, for example) other than Bhagvad Gita.
Agree with you . Vimoh is misleading the discussion. If he is agnostic atheist means he doesnot know. Then there is probabality that it might be there or might not be. The problem with Vimoh is his complete rejection .This never happen in mathematical model also. In great debate let some one assume something opposite and then by rationale one come to conclusion by going through all possible acceptance or rejection.
This went spicy
Culture and religion is not same
At all vimoh dont escape it rest you are good on being on your point
This is so cringe 🤣
Hey Vimoh - are culture and religion the same things though? I feel that culture is sort of a lagging indicator of all the factors influencing a society - and religion being one of the factors, science, philosophy, weather, natural disasters, terrain, invasions, diseases, etc influence the way a culture evolves too, of course religion has a big part to play in it.
The 1930s great depression in America gave rise to a culture of extreme frugality, the 14th century black plague in Europe gave rise to a culture that valued hygiene above other things and so on.
No religion can be a part of culture but culture is much more wider concept that includes food, clothes, music, etc, but the problem is religion also claims them but the irony is they can freely exist without it.
Possible, impossible, implausible!?! Would that sum up this debate?
17:18 😂
My blud using probability in an odd way, having two possible outcomes of an event doesn't mean that u can assign a 50% probability to each, example - paint 4 walls of a room, 3 with Red colour and 1 with yellow colour, so now the wall can either be red or yellow but u can't assign 50% possibility to them. Similarly i don't think anyone can quantify probability for the existence of God, you can only assign qualitative terms like 'likely' or 'unlikely'.
from now on ask their adhaar card like kangana ranaut
That EF guy was very rude and egos centered
Ef is just vomiting sentences with claims, but does not even himself comprehend what they mean. Not a single claim has been thought through.
Advaita Vedanta is one of the greatest pseudo-deep bullshit concepts ever created.
It convinces so many borderline atheists of its "greatness". Me included, long ago.
Just leaving a comment to help grow channel. I miss out on some of your content bc I don’t speak Hindi. It’s ok bc there’s lots of media content that challenges my world view for me in English but very little for ppl who speak Hindi. Lucky for them when they find content in their own language. I don’t mind sharing😊
bhai CAN and CANT 2 possibilities hn... Can ke under DO and DONT ata h(as sub category) So if i say totAL possibility=100, Can =50, and Cant =50. Can ke under jo sub possibilies hongi wo Can(=50) ko further equally divide krengi into 25(do) and 25( dont)
Hey Vimoh, what if we say it is not possible but it exists. Similar to the diffraction pattern generated with electron through slit experiment. I am referring to quantum physics.
Jai bheem namo buddhay sir 🙏🙏
If i tell you to roll a 6 on a dice 20 times,there are 2 possibilties either you roll it or you dont .its so obviously 50/50 right?
What is the possibility of the dice giving out a 7? Could it be possible?
What you said here is probability not possibility, probability has reality and possibility comes along reality, non- reality and impossibility which he told in the video
Saying Guna and Karma is just saying Caste system exists with extra steps. Your past life actions (Karma) are what decide what varna your next life is going to be. And depending on your Karma you get the Gunas. Krishna clearly says he created the Varnas (BG 4:13). Also Chandogya Upanishad confirms that your past Karma determines your next birth (5.10.7). Here is the scriptural evidence Ef wanted!
Krishna told karma and Guna,it's Manu who did mention cast
Vimoh i am also an atheist, but in starting he was trying to go from Boolean Logic
Like the things are of course off the table about possibility and it's about existence or non existence as you suggested, but that guy was going round and round which was frustrating, he should have accepted that he believed in existence and should come on proving it directly
3 possibilities means 33.33% chance. It is a basic maths. It is not f 50-50 chance 😂
What is difference between gunna and karma ?
@Vimoh this time this guy is so logical if people are using things wrongly u cant say religion wrong which is not teaching you any of it
This was fun
It is so frustrating to hear this.. @vimoh I think there is a better way to explain this point: two possibilities does not mean 50% chance. There can be two option with 90% to 10% probability. E.g. satta bazar gives out unequal probability values for two outcomes. Even if we think that there are two options we do not have enough info to say that both are equal possibilities
Ef ke English aur Logic ke vandhe hai 😂😂😂 sirf accent fenk raha hai 😂😂😂😂
I would be more happy if people could disagree happyly without fustration even when the other guy acts like an idiot, basically not letting other person to make you angry or fustrated
A dimpele example for may, may not and impossible. A an arm rest can wxist in a cair or an arm resr can't. But there is no invisible armrest. The existance of Invisible armrest in a chair is impossible. It's the simplest example I can think of.
He's confusing possibility with probability. If we think in his terms, the theory of probability would not exist because either something happens or it doesn't happen - 50/50. No sample space required, no possible outcomes, nothing. Ridiculous.
He is mistaken in a fundamental way as he's confusing possibility with probability. A false dichotomy, either " possible or not possible" will only give you (erroneously) 50 percent probability.
It's like rolling a perfect 6 on a balanced dice. If you count only possibility, yes I either roll a six or I don't that gives me a 50 50 chance.
But actually I either roll a 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5, or 6. That's lowers my perfect six to only one in six when you count all probable outcomes
Why do people not get difference btw possibility and probability
P(A) + P(A') = 1,
What ef is claiming that P(A) = P(A')
@@dineshhebbar7523 why?
@@dineshhebbar7523Your comment is abominable. I think you are not familiar with the concept of conditional probability (class 12th) .
@@BeneathTheEquationsnothing is wrong with your mathematics
If you throw a dice then the probability of getting 6 is not 50 50...either its 6 or not...thats not how it works😭😭
Yes out of total possible outcomes it is 1/6 but here Vimoh said that in POSSIBLE list there is 2 things - Real or Not Real so it's 50-50(1/2)...If the third option is true which according to words of Vimoh means Impossible that's why it doesn't exist we can say that it's impossible to get 7 on a dice with 6 numbers that's why we didn't get 7...so will the probability of getting 6 changes from 1/6 as he added an "IMPOSSIBLE THAT'S WHY DON'T EXIST" case?🤔🤔
VIMOH Let take an example of a Dice..The probability of getting 6 out of total POSSIBLE outcomes is 1/6 but in the debate you said that in POSSIBLE list there is 2 things - Real or Not Real so it's 50-50(1/2)...If the third option is true which according to you means "IMPOSSIBLE THAT'S WHY IT DOESN'T EXIST" we can say that it's impossible to get 7 on a dice with 6 numbers that's why we didn't get 7...so will the probability of getting 6 changes from 1/6 as he added an "IMPOSSIBLE THAT'S WHY DON'T EXIST" case?🤔🤔 And if it doesn't change then that poor guy may be true😢that its 50-50... what's your take??
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A ) possible , exist.
B ) possible , doesn’t exist.
C) impossible.
if you talk only about A and B youre already considering it is possible for god to exist (we would like to know how you got there) and you want to argue if it does or doesn’t.
according to Bagavat Geeta says there are three Guna , created Varna ,
The Big Question is
How does Three Guna created Four Varna, if should be Three Varna ,
But we found Four Varna another added Kayastha ,so all together Five Varna ,,
Are you joking???
Ayee bro mentioned bhagalpur lessgo am from there😂 ik stupid stuff to comment
Damn such content is reaching to Bhagalpur.
@@arpit.sharma look look a high society folk huh
@@sarimakhter9529 Actually I'm from a similar city but in Rajasthan
@@arpit.sharma ohh i didn't know that I am from bihar and there's a place here called bgp as well lmao
Sirf balki khal nikalna hai
the concept of the caste system, particularly in verse 4.13. Here is the verse and its meaning:
**Verse 4.13**:
"cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ
tasya kartāram api māṁ viddhy akartāram avyayam"
**Translation**:
"The four categories of occupations were created by Me according to people's qualities and activities. Although I am the creator of this system, know Me as the non-doer and eternal."
In this verse, Lord Krishna explains that the caste system (varnas) is based on an individual's qualities (gunas) and actions (karma), not by birth. The four varnas are Brahmins (priests and teachers), Kshatriyas (warriors and rulers), Vaishyas (merchants and farmers), and Shudras (servants and laborers). Krishna emphasizes that while He established this system, He remains detached and eternal.
The shloka doesn't say "categories of occupation". You added that yourself.
@@vimohlivebut brahmin, kshatriya, viashya, shudra itself means profession..
look Ef if we consider the possibility that in my one hand there is a marble, marble can exist so there is 50 50 chance, but if I said I have infinity stone its near zero chance, because infinity stones as we know it doesn't exist. if you want that 50 50 odds first you have to prove god can exist.
13:00 Damnnn
The 50-50 chance applies to a fair object, like a coin, in theory. Once you move to a practical object in real life, that assumption doesn't stand.
I also think that probability applies to defined events that exist. Applying it to an undefined, ambiguous, and fictional concept like God is inappropriate.
Nerds should check out the probability wiki. There's a lot more to it than the 50-50 chance that we all know of.
Vijayendra Bhai, normally you are very sound in your logic, But I felt this discussion you let it digress. Few things which were coming in my mind while listening to this discussion.
1. Atheism is the rejection of the claim that god exists. some humans claim that god exist, Atheism is just rejection of those claims due to lack of evidence to support their claim. (I think Agnosticism is useless term, it is to do with knowability, that makes every one Agnostic, Just like every one is Agnostic about Dragons, Unicorns)
2. Either I will win a lottery, or I will not. That does not make it 50-50 chances of me winning a lottery. That is not how maths works. I suggest EF to read the book innumeracy by John Allen Paulos.
3. मां हि पार्थ व्यपाश्रित्य येऽपि स्यु: पापयोनय: |
स्त्रियो वैश्यास्तथा शूद्रास्तेऽपि यान्ति परां गतिम् (Chapter 9, Verse 32)
I agree I let it digress. It went loose in the middle for a good while. Also, use English or Hindi in the comments.
Total waste of time, why to waste time like that
How do I get on one of these calls?
Vimoh you always play word games and never allow others to come to the main point . You are smart😂😂😂
Vimoh you got confused with your own 3rd option - "It's impossible, therefore, it cannot exist", there was no "either" option in that to which this Ef hold on to. So, there are only 3 options according to you are - 1st God exists, 2nd God doesnt exist and 3rd God cannot exist because it is impossible.
Mr EF the question is not about God exists or not ,
The real question is what will you do if you are getting God infront of you??
Vimoh you are getting trapped with something called "agnostic atheism".
I don't think that term makes sense.
Agnosticism itself is complex to make sense. Agnosticism means sitting on the fence and remaining eternally confused.
But agnostic atheism isn't fence-sitting. You're clearly on the side of atheism
@@scienceisdope then just say I am an atheist. Agnostic atheism adds to confusion.
@@Bheem7378 to be honest, I felt odd when vimoh said that he's agnostic atheist. It felt like he's starting to believe in the god theory. Not totally but I thought it might be like a slow poisoning on his atheist mind and on us too
The caller was right though about culture and scripter , these two are different things . But yes he didn't give any evidence of god existing there he is wrong .
Vimoh you should have said he's confusing probability with possibility
Ask him : What's the chance a meteor will smash into his head right now, 50:50?
I think he would have said yes.
@@vimohlive 🤣 I wouldn't be suprised if he had done so
@@vimohlivenah he would have said its 50/50
Guna is an assimilation of your karmic cycle , not given by a God ....... idk why these people come for debate if they do not have a clear concept.
Ef ji F word se problem hai q ki he can't use it in family.. har word family me use karne kon bola hai bhai apko🤦 what's on your view on kissing my GF? I think I should stop it right?
Basic probability sikh le Ef
Vimoh please study mathematics, in mathematics and even if in basic logic if we define something god which may have one or many be many qualities when all the qualities fulfilled we can say that is god according to our definition and not a god if not fulfilled, the there is only two possibilities,
Mathematically
For an independent singular event there is only 2 possible outcomes 1st it is true and 2nd is not true nothing else bro.
संस्कृति और धर्म सिक्के के दो पहलू नहीं... सिक्के हैं
Why do you bang your head on the wall 😅
Its also mentioned in Manusmriti not that it matters but this guy is just in a state of cognitive dissonance
50/50 chance is misleading because there's no sample space. A coin toss a has 1/2 chance of landing head as there's only 2 possible outcomes. 50/50 chance for the fundamental consciousness to exist is stupid because then whats your sample space. Maybe 1/(number of theories that claim to define the reality of the universe + infinite number of theories one can come up with)
Ok then what is a theist person? A person who loves God or fears God?
a person who believes god exists
Both of you were making basic mistake in probability. Just because there are two outcomes it does not mean the chances are 50 50
Vimoh is good in it
Hindu Apologist
I am not disrespecting anyone but Calling your Hindu God In Sanskrit Is cool or does it give any evidence god😂
At 18:25 Vimoh shows who is the boss!!...I was wondering why he is entertaining the douche bag who is confused and came to "show off " his santan dharma which no one really cares about
Vimoh: I don't have any proof that God exists, so I don't believe in him. I am an atheist.
Me: Fair enough. Lets not talk about anything else. Lets talk about that which Vimoh is an expert - which is HIMSELF. So Vimoh as you are referring to " I " when you refer to yourself, can you please locate where exactly you are in your body? Since I is singular show me where you exist in your body. Your body is made of many things but where are you? Show me this and I will believe that you exist, else you don't exist for me😊
If I don't exist, who are you asking?
@@vimohlive nice way to turn the question around. But tell me where you exist in the body when you say I, who are you?
@@vimohlive and that's exactly my point. So you find my question absurd because YOU are right there, you are expecting me to believe you exist because I can see your body arms and legs and face but you are not your arms or legs, you are not a part, so when you are expecting me to believe you exist by seeing your body as a whole isn't it reasonable to ask that there are so many planets stars galaxies that are right in front of you which may not be God but the essence of all these which cannot be seen as on date could belong to the creator and thus we can arrive at a conclusion that there should be a creator behind this creation - similar to how Vimoh is in front of me as a macroorganism though I cannot see that which is within Vimoh keeping him alive and cannot be captured today by any technology?
@@heatherjackson7961 I'm the guy you are talking to
@@heatherjackson7961 You can see that I exist. If you are asking how I came to be, the answer is biologcal processes. You know this. I know this. We all know this.
We have no reason to think that the stars and the planets mean god exists.
Possibilities are:
It exists
It does not exist
It can't exist
It can exist
It may exist
It may not exist
It should exist
It should not exist
It is likely to exist
It is likely not exist
Etc. Etc. Go on with the word play, believers remain believers and non believers remain so until life gives them a bang. Let the fancy debates continue aameen
Possibility is one if you have any proof
Fake OBC