The one thing worse than incompetence is the hackery coupled to unbridled arrogance, which makes even utter incompetence lazy. This reduces merely atrocious writing to the level of idiocy. Indeed illiteracy would be an improvement.
A lesson these writers should learn about profundity: Tolkien wasn't just using big words or really trying to be any more profound than the base messages given in his dialogue. He had such a mastery over the English language that he could articulate small, seemingly insignificant ideas in such a beautiful way that it seems profound to the readers or viewers. He wasn't just "using big words" as RoP writers seem to think he did. He used his knowledge of the English language to get through to us these simple messages of peace and love and good that is worth fighting for. You can't boil a writing style like Tolkien's to a single word like "mystical", or "profound" because of how deep his works are, and it's even more insulting to his work that the showrunners genuinely thought that is how an adaptation of Tolkien should be written.
I recorded an excerpt from Fellowship a couple of days ago, for my channel. I read lots of books aloud there. As I was reading aloud I became aware of something that stood out from other books. The way Tolkien uses words and sentences unfolds naturally, and your mind’s eye does not have to go back and fill in details that are presented in the wrong order. More than that, the sentences have a RHYTHM… not just the words used, but the order and cadence of them. It’s hard to explain, but as a musician I could feel the backbeat underneath informing the way the story comes out. I can’t stop thinking about it.
Well done good Sir! Just as an aside, Cirdan has NEVER been to Valinor, how would he know how "perfect" it is? Yeah, writing is hard, when you work in Hollyweird.
Atrocious, lazy writing aside; why do people who live under ground 24/7 have proverbs about songbirds? All the other proverbs and expressions the Dwarves have in this show are stone/mining related, which makes sense even when they are written badly. But birds?
"In the land of Morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrrrrrr, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Saurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron forged, in secret, a master ring to control all others"
Apparently that's very original to how Tolkien wanted his language pronounced but I completely agree... I think I involuntarily roll my eyes every time it happens now.
@@luckyowl6432 Tolkien would have probably preferred the softer Italian-like rolling than the exaggerated Hispanic one, given his background as a linguist and Latin scholar.
@@luckyowl6432 There are recordings of JRR Tolkien reading the Lord of the Rings. Some are on RUclips. He doesn't engage in the exaggerated guttural rolling of ROP.
Yeah it's been terrible. The writing is awful, so cringy in places. But also structurally, everything feels rushed but at the same time dragged out in the moment. I feel there are some good ideas beneath it all, it's just the writers aren't clever enough to make it satisfying. That's it. They don't have the intellect to make it more dense and rewarding in terms of emotional +intellectual payoffs. It's swooning fan fiction. Why did they put really inexperienced showrunners in charge of this? It was never going to work. Oh, and so many of the roles are miscast - Celebrimbor, Elrond and the dwarves are so twee, it's so cringy. I'd respect the showrunners more if they'd ignored the PJ films completely and just made their own LOTR universe with a completely different vibe (less effete Elves and less teddy bear dwarves). Why not manly, muscly elves with short hair (I know some of them are, but why not all) and taller, beardless dwarves to distinguish Rings of Power from all that's gone before? I would have liked that more.
This wasn't written by ChatGPT. None of it. I know this because I prompted chat GPT to write a scene where Bombadil was the first to say the "Can you give it to them?" line. Compare this to the show, and tell me it's not far better: 'The trees of the Old Forest rustled in the soft evening breeze, their leaves whispering secrets in a language older than elves. Birds chirped, and the sun dipped low, casting long shadows over the ancient woods. A gentle melody floated on the air, the sound of a voice as old as the hills, singing to the rhythm of the earth itself. Gandalf, now dressed once more in his grey robes, walked slowly along the edge of the trees. His staff tapped the ground lightly as he moved with purpose, yet his heart was not heavy as it had been in the days of war. He felt the world beginning to heal, but there were questions in his mind-questions that had lingered through the ages. As if in answer to his thoughts, the singing grew louder. Ahead of him, seated on a fallen tree, was Tom Bombadil. He wore his blue coat and his bright yellow boots, his hat adorned with a long feather swaying as he bobbed his head in rhythm. His eyes sparkled like sunlight on a rippling brook. “Hey dol! Merry dol! Ring-a-dong-dillo!” Bombadil sang, laughing as he spotted the wizard. “Old Gandalf is wandering, out in the green fields! What brings you, oh Greyhame, to my borders once more?” Gandalf smiled, his old eyes twinkling with a mixture of amusement and curiosity. “I had a feeling I might find you here, Tom. The world has changed much since last we met.” “Changed, yes, and still the same in many ways!” Bombadil hopped down from his perch, as spry as ever, and approached Gandalf, a wide grin on his face. “The birds still sing, the trees still grow. Seasons turn, wind blows. But the world beyond the woods, ah, that’s what troubles you, I think.” Gandalf chuckled. “As always, you are more than you seem. Yes, the world beyond your woods has been through much. The Dark Lord is gone. The Ring is unmade. But there are still shadows that linger-questions that remain.” Bombadil’s face softened, and for a moment, his gaze grew distant. He was not often serious, but something in Gandalf’s words struck a chord. “Ah, the long dark and deep waters. The old wounds of the world, scars that do not heal with the turning of the age. What weighs on your mind, Gandalf?” Gandalf leaned on his staff and sighed. “So much death, Tom. So much loss. Sauron’s evil claimed many lives-some innocent, some guilty. And yet... I wonder. What of those who perished in darkness? Could they not have been redeemed? Even Gollum, in the end, played his part in the undoing of evil. But there are others-those who did not have a chance.” Tom Bombadil’s eyes twinkled again, though his smile was softer now, filled with ancient understanding. He sat on a nearby stone, gesturing for Gandalf to do the same. “Ah, you ponder the great question. Life and death, who is worthy of what fate? A hard riddle for even the wisest of wizards.” Bombadil chuckled, his tone gentle. “You speak of mercy. Perhaps you, Gandalf, already know the answer, deep in your heart.” Gandalf sat beside him, feeling the quiet power of the earth beneath his feet. “I have always believed in mercy, yes. But sometimes, I question whether my choices were right. The lives that were lost... Could I have done more?” Bombadil reached down and plucked a single flower, holding it up to the fading light. “Old Tom knows this world well, Gandalf. The flowers bloom, the trees grow tall, but all things must fade in time. Some pass in peace, and others... by violence or hatred. Yet life is not something easily judged.” He turned, his bright blue eyes fixing on Gandalf’s. “Do you remember what I told Frodo, when he came to my house? The barrow-wight, a dark soul long lost, was sent away, but not destroyed. Evil may fall, but it may also rise again, in strange forms. And yet, not all dark things are beyond hope.” Gandalf nodded, his face thoughtful. Bombadil rose suddenly, casting the flower into the wind. “And so, dear Gandalf, do you ask yourself who deserves to live? Who deserves to die? It is a question beyond even the Valar, I reckon. For what is death but a door? Some who pass through it deserve life again, and some who live may not yet be ready for it.” The wizard’s breath caught. He turned to Bombadil, sensing the gravity of his words. The old forest-dweller paused, gazing out over the ancient trees, his voice quiet yet resonating with ancient wisdom. “Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Gandalf? Can anyone?” Gandalf was silent for a long while, the weight of the question resting heavily upon him. He had seen so much, fought so long, and yet even now, there were mysteries beyond his understanding. “No,” Gandalf finally said, his voice filled with both sadness and acceptance. “I cannot.” Bombadil turned to him with a smile, though there was kindness in his eyes. “And that, my friend, is why mercy is greater than wisdom. We cannot know the fates of all, but we can show kindness where it is in our power. That is the gift we can give to this world.” Gandalf nodded slowly, his heart lighter. “You are wise, Tom. Far wiser than many realize.”'
The best parts of RoP are on Charlie Hopkinson's channel during the watch parties with Gandalf, Boromir, Elrond, and others. It's the only way to watch RoP!
What I found really annoying, aside from everything else, is how certain sound effects and sound in general is mismatched and poorly done - almost like it was rushed. LOTR and even Hobbit had peerless sound editing and thoughtful placement. Two stark examples from this show - Elrond's charge felt very weird - like they cut some speech from the edit and the general sound balance was way too off and quiet - for a scene that should depict rather serious tone. Second example is from previous episode, when Elendil is going to get tried by Valar - when those soldiers sounded the trumpets, they almost immediately cut off the sound - like it didn't have any echo, resonance or strength. All in all, sound editing feels very rushed and done without any supervision. Even the staff that edit this show gave up on it.
😅😅😅 Beautifully said No sense in the movies The war scenes were wasted, no chills, no planning, just attack! 😅. Questions still unanswered since season 1
Loved the video, my only issue was the name thing - the objection is unfounded because this is supposed to be a magical fantasy world, and it's a common fantasy trope that names link us to something essential deep within. It's more Ursula Le Guin than Tolkien, but it's still a known trope - nothing wrong with using it in ROP. Extending it to staves, though... yeah, that's just asinine.
Let's make it easy for them rumors are like Fool's Gold could seem to have value but are empty promises also relates to drawers and Mining, that was so easy
Would’ve been cool if the king disregards the sun shafts because those rings, and their mining exploits guided by a ring, made them rich beyond anything. Then the phrase of king durin makes sense. Perhaps this was the writers idea, but was changed and they forgot durin making this statement.
The dialogue isn't great. But the second season is nowhere near as bad as the first. I think the actors have been largely excellent. The FX are fine. Not top tier. But good enough for a mini-series. If anything they were probably hindered by being caught between something original and sticking to the text. In the end it was neither one or the other. If the showrunners had their time again I think they would have gone much closer to being completely original.
Wtf is this? I know the show is bad and all and believe me I've shared my thoughts on the subject but this is hilarious you're trying so hard to make up stuff like that rumor and bird thing, I bet the writers did not even think about the things you're saying just stop man, jeez
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The one thing worse than incompetence is the hackery coupled to unbridled arrogance, which makes even utter incompetence lazy. This reduces merely atrocious writing to the level of idiocy. Indeed illiteracy would be an improvement.
So accurately & succinctly said.
Well said.
@@zzevonplant If it were succinct it would only have the last line.
A lesson these writers should learn about profundity: Tolkien wasn't just using big words or really trying to be any more profound than the base messages given in his dialogue.
He had such a mastery over the English language that he could articulate small, seemingly insignificant ideas in such a beautiful way that it seems profound to the readers or viewers. He wasn't just "using big words" as RoP writers seem to think he did. He used his knowledge of the English language to get through to us these simple messages of peace and love and good that is worth fighting for. You can't boil a writing style like Tolkien's to a single word like "mystical", or "profound" because of how deep his works are, and it's even more insulting to his work that the showrunners genuinely thought that is how an adaptation of Tolkien should be written.
I recorded an excerpt from Fellowship a couple of days ago, for my channel. I read lots of books aloud there. As I was reading aloud I became aware of something that stood out from other books. The way Tolkien uses words and sentences unfolds naturally, and your mind’s eye does not have to go back and fill in details that are presented in the wrong order.
More than that, the sentences have a RHYTHM… not just the words used, but the order and cadence of them. It’s hard to explain, but as a musician I could feel the backbeat underneath informing the way the story comes out. I can’t stop thinking about it.
Some of the dialogue is so torturous it should be banned by the Geneva Convention.
The show is indeed a crime against humanity.
Well done good Sir!
Just as an aside, Cirdan has NEVER been to Valinor, how would he know how "perfect" it is? Yeah, writing is hard, when you work in Hollyweird.
The actors aren’t convincing whatsoever. Like a bunch of cosplayers trying their best imitation of PJ’s films. It’s embarrassing.
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Atrocious, lazy writing aside; why do people who live under ground 24/7 have proverbs about songbirds? All the other proverbs and expressions the Dwarves have in this show are stone/mining related, which makes sense even when they are written badly. But birds?
I think the point of the songbird metaphor is that you could eat the bird but it wouldn't provide much nutrition. It's still horrible.
Well, this at least gives me hope for the dialogue in my books 🤣
The best part of watching these critiques is learning how to better my own writing by knowing precisely what NOT to do.
@@JaidynReiman yup, lol
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Yeh you're "books" are probably pure push too 😅😅😅
"In the land of Morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrrrrrr, in the fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Saurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron forged, in secret, a master ring to control all others"
Those exaggerated crrrringy rolling rrrrrr's is what really puts the final unimaginary nail in the coffin.
Apparently that's very original to how Tolkien wanted his language pronounced but I completely agree... I think I involuntarily roll my eyes every time it happens now.
@@luckyowl6432 Tolkien would have probably preferred the softer Italian-like rolling than the exaggerated Hispanic one, given his background as a linguist and Latin scholar.
@@TheDen-ec9xe Even the Hispanics I work with don't roll their R's as much as RoP does, and their accents are thick as heck. XD
@@TaoScribble True hahahaha
@@luckyowl6432 There are recordings of JRR Tolkien reading the Lord of the Rings. Some are on RUclips. He doesn't engage in the exaggerated guttural rolling of ROP.
4:50 " are you glowing yet Billy?" 😂
Idk why but that made me spit out my water laughing
ROFL, rolling those Rs like a pro. Celebrrrimborrr.
Just like HOTD has fallen, the moral of ROP is don't disrespect the source material.
Don't compare hotd to this pish mate they aren't on the same level 😅😅😅
Let them go to the Penguin directors for some lessons, the first episode is awesome
The dialogue got slower and infested by too many RRRRRRRRRRRRrrrrs.
The writers of Father Ted should have written for ROP...going to kick souring up the arrrrrrrse
My guy! where have you been all this time?
This horrible show summoned me back from the dead
My first romantacy novel has better dialogue.
This writing is a joke.
Liked and subbed!
I want 5 seasons just to watch these reviews. :D
They wanted to sound deep. Yet it’s so so so dum.
Everyone just looks "off." Pinched faces, short... nothing ethereal going on at al.
this is high level stuff, love how you think. MORE ANALYSIS of THIS show plz.
What the hell is Bombadil's accent supposed to be?
The prospect of 3 more seasons of this makes me both ill and exited, strange mix of feelings
Fantastic video - you deserve all the subscribers!
Great analysis
My wife and I hate watch this for some laughs.
Why are you torturing your wife like that?!
S'dark, man.
Yeah it's been terrible. The writing is awful, so cringy in places. But also structurally, everything feels rushed but at the same time dragged out in the moment.
I feel there are some good ideas beneath it all, it's just the writers aren't clever enough to make it satisfying. That's it. They don't have the intellect to make it more dense and rewarding in terms of emotional +intellectual payoffs. It's swooning fan fiction. Why did they put really inexperienced showrunners in charge of this? It was never going to work.
Oh, and so many of the roles are miscast - Celebrimbor, Elrond and the dwarves are so twee, it's so cringy. I'd respect the showrunners more if they'd ignored the PJ films completely and just made their own LOTR universe with a completely different vibe (less effete Elves and less teddy bear dwarves). Why not manly, muscly elves with short hair (I know some of them are, but why not all) and taller, beardless dwarves to distinguish Rings of Power from all that's gone before? I would have liked that more.
This wasn't written by ChatGPT. None of it. I know this because I prompted chat GPT to write a scene where Bombadil was the first to say the "Can you give it to them?" line. Compare this to the show, and tell me it's not far better:
'The trees of the Old Forest rustled in the soft evening breeze, their leaves whispering secrets in a language older than elves. Birds chirped, and the sun dipped low, casting long shadows over the ancient woods. A gentle melody floated on the air, the sound of a voice as old as the hills, singing to the rhythm of the earth itself.
Gandalf, now dressed once more in his grey robes, walked slowly along the edge of the trees. His staff tapped the ground lightly as he moved with purpose, yet his heart was not heavy as it had been in the days of war. He felt the world beginning to heal, but there were questions in his mind-questions that had lingered through the ages.
As if in answer to his thoughts, the singing grew louder. Ahead of him, seated on a fallen tree, was Tom Bombadil. He wore his blue coat and his bright yellow boots, his hat adorned with a long feather swaying as he bobbed his head in rhythm. His eyes sparkled like sunlight on a rippling brook.
“Hey dol! Merry dol! Ring-a-dong-dillo!” Bombadil sang, laughing as he spotted the wizard. “Old Gandalf is wandering, out in the green fields! What brings you, oh Greyhame, to my borders once more?”
Gandalf smiled, his old eyes twinkling with a mixture of amusement and curiosity. “I had a feeling I might find you here, Tom. The world has changed much since last we met.”
“Changed, yes, and still the same in many ways!” Bombadil hopped down from his perch, as spry as ever, and approached Gandalf, a wide grin on his face. “The birds still sing, the trees still grow. Seasons turn, wind blows. But the world beyond the woods, ah, that’s what troubles you, I think.”
Gandalf chuckled. “As always, you are more than you seem. Yes, the world beyond your woods has been through much. The Dark Lord is gone. The Ring is unmade. But there are still shadows that linger-questions that remain.”
Bombadil’s face softened, and for a moment, his gaze grew distant. He was not often serious, but something in Gandalf’s words struck a chord. “Ah, the long dark and deep waters. The old wounds of the world, scars that do not heal with the turning of the age. What weighs on your mind, Gandalf?”
Gandalf leaned on his staff and sighed. “So much death, Tom. So much loss. Sauron’s evil claimed many lives-some innocent, some guilty. And yet... I wonder. What of those who perished in darkness? Could they not have been redeemed? Even Gollum, in the end, played his part in the undoing of evil. But there are others-those who did not have a chance.”
Tom Bombadil’s eyes twinkled again, though his smile was softer now, filled with ancient understanding. He sat on a nearby stone, gesturing for Gandalf to do the same.
“Ah, you ponder the great question. Life and death, who is worthy of what fate? A hard riddle for even the wisest of wizards.” Bombadil chuckled, his tone gentle. “You speak of mercy. Perhaps you, Gandalf, already know the answer, deep in your heart.”
Gandalf sat beside him, feeling the quiet power of the earth beneath his feet. “I have always believed in mercy, yes. But sometimes, I question whether my choices were right. The lives that were lost... Could I have done more?”
Bombadil reached down and plucked a single flower, holding it up to the fading light. “Old Tom knows this world well, Gandalf. The flowers bloom, the trees grow tall, but all things must fade in time. Some pass in peace, and others... by violence or hatred. Yet life is not something easily judged.”
He turned, his bright blue eyes fixing on Gandalf’s. “Do you remember what I told Frodo, when he came to my house? The barrow-wight, a dark soul long lost, was sent away, but not destroyed. Evil may fall, but it may also rise again, in strange forms. And yet, not all dark things are beyond hope.”
Gandalf nodded, his face thoughtful.
Bombadil rose suddenly, casting the flower into the wind. “And so, dear Gandalf, do you ask yourself who deserves to live? Who deserves to die? It is a question beyond even the Valar, I reckon. For what is death but a door? Some who pass through it deserve life again, and some who live may not yet be ready for it.”
The wizard’s breath caught. He turned to Bombadil, sensing the gravity of his words.
The old forest-dweller paused, gazing out over the ancient trees, his voice quiet yet resonating with ancient wisdom.
“Many that live deserve death, and some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Gandalf? Can anyone?”
Gandalf was silent for a long while, the weight of the question resting heavily upon him. He had seen so much, fought so long, and yet even now, there were mysteries beyond his understanding.
“No,” Gandalf finally said, his voice filled with both sadness and acceptance. “I cannot.”
Bombadil turned to him with a smile, though there was kindness in his eyes. “And that, my friend, is why mercy is greater than wisdom. We cannot know the fates of all, but we can show kindness where it is in our power. That is the gift we can give to this world.”
Gandalf nodded slowly, his heart lighter. “You are wise, Tom. Far wiser than many realize.”'
The best parts of RoP are on Charlie Hopkinson's channel during the watch parties with Gandalf, Boromir, Elrond, and others. It's the only way to watch RoP!
I wish I could have chosen my own name
Love this analysis. Great work
What I found really annoying, aside from everything else, is how certain sound effects and sound in general is mismatched and poorly done - almost like it was rushed. LOTR and even Hobbit had peerless sound editing and thoughtful placement. Two stark examples from this show - Elrond's charge felt very weird - like they cut some speech from the edit and the general sound balance was way too off and quiet - for a scene that should depict rather serious tone. Second example is from previous episode, when Elendil is going to get tried by Valar - when those soldiers sounded the trumpets, they almost immediately cut off the sound - like it didn't have any echo, resonance or strength. All in all, sound editing feels very rushed and done without any supervision. Even the staff that edit this show gave up on it.
You sound like the RUclipsr Nyrion . Damn
😅😅😅
Beautifully said
No sense in the movies
The war scenes were wasted, no chills, no planning, just attack! 😅. Questions still unanswered since season 1
The stories are so disjointed😅
The over explaining of what we can obviously see.
All said and done folks, my favorites are:
The sea is always right
Do you know why a ship floats and a stone cannot
There js a tempest in her
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@@michellembaeze2010 Let us never forget: "Give me the meat, and give it to me raw!"
The sea is always wet! 🤓
Loved the video, my only issue was the name thing - the objection is unfounded because this is supposed to be a magical fantasy world, and it's a common fantasy trope that names link us to something essential deep within. It's more Ursula Le Guin than Tolkien, but it's still a known trope - nothing wrong with using it in ROP.
Extending it to staves, though... yeah, that's just asinine.
Three rings for the elves because one will corrupt and two will divide. Galadri-dumb explains it. Why then 7 for the dwarves and 9 for men? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Let's make it easy for them rumors are like Fool's Gold could seem to have value but are empty promises also relates to drawers and Mining, that was so easy
Would’ve been cool if the king disregards the sun shafts because those rings, and their mining exploits guided by a ring, made them rich beyond anything. Then the phrase of king durin makes sense. Perhaps this was the writers idea, but was changed and they forgot durin making this statement.
Facts
This show is as treacherous as the sea (which is always right, by the way) so you'll love it and despair!
Funny that writers go on strike for more $$$, and this is what you get
4:55 in 😂😂😂
Sauron is behind this
Dark Lord Bezos the Pink
100% terrible writers but season 2 is better to watch than the first season.
The dialogue isn't great. But the second season is nowhere near as bad as the first. I think the actors have been largely excellent. The FX are fine. Not top tier. But good enough for a mini-series. If anything they were probably hindered by being caught between something original and sticking to the text. In the end it was neither one or the other. If the showrunners had their time again I think they would have gone much closer to being completely original.
Wtf is this? I know the show is bad and all and believe me I've shared my thoughts on the subject but this is hilarious you're trying so hard to make up stuff like that rumor and bird thing, I bet the writers did not even think about the things you're saying just stop man, jeez
Indeed they didn't think, thank you for proving my point. Some brain activity is required to write dialogue.
You have the brain of a 3-year-old if you like this show.
@aktchungrabanio6467 Hello. No, I don't like this show. I don't like people beating around the bush for content.