Armstrong wasn't terrified in the scene you saw him in, he was traumatized because they were using his alchemy to trap Ishvalan's to be shot against the walls he made
The anime cut down the atrocities and the intricacies of the civil war SIGNIFICANTLY. in the manga, this one episode is an entire volume. It goes in depth, it's so rich and intricate. It drives home the horrors of war
You're right that you'd seen the Iron Blood Alchemist before. he's the one that gets killed in Scar's first appearance. He traps him in a metal box, not expecting him to be able to escape, only to be surprised by his destruction.
This episode portrays war well, for the side who won and the side who lost. But really, no moral person on the side of Amestris feels they won anything. Particularly Riza because she knows that she can't hide behind the "just following orders" justification. She knows that one day Amestris is going to have to pay for what they did to Ishval, because a crime of that magnitude can't just be ignored. And she's accepted that she's going to be one of the ones paying. Also, it makes perfect sense why Bradley does not believe in waiting for a so-called God for salvation. Where was "God" when the state was brainwashing him and those other little boys into being human weapons? 11 test subjects before him died to the stone, but his desire to live defeated the other wrathful souls until only he was left. From Bradley's POV, if your instinct is to rely on something unseen and unprovable, then your desire to continue living is weak.
But Amestris was co-opted. This'd be more like trying Manchuria for crimes the Japanese committed using local manpower. If there wasn't a literal god wannabe controlling things from behind the scenes, you may have had a point. But as it stands to reason, the utter dominating control of inhuman beings doesn't lead credence to the fact that Amestris is at fault here. Especially considering what we already know, Amestris only took to expanding and committing mass military atrocities AFTER Bradley came into power. Even more so, Envy is the literal cause of all the Ishvalan riots in the beginning of the War of Extermination. If I wanted to go even further, technically Amestris is a Xerxian puppet state that's been turned into a march. "Following orders justification" when you're only options are pretty much, die on the front lines, look into something too deeply and get left behind or getting disappeared, and finally my personal favorite getting turned into a philosopher's stone.
@@alreadyblack3341 Amestris was doing this before Beadley was born. Edward may have said that things only turn toward the militaristic once Bradley came into power, but that is factually untrue. Olivier quickly mentioned that the country started off incredibly small and kept absorbing neighbors into itself until it formed the circle that it is right now. And Falman listed over half a dozen major wars, aside from Ishval.
@@alreadyblack3341 Amestris was doing this before Beadley was born. Edward may have said that things only turn toward the militaristic once Bradley came into power, but that is factually untrue. Olivier quickly mentioned that the country started off incredibly small and kept absorbing neighbors into itself until it formed the circle that it is right now. And Falman listed over half a dozen major wars, aside from Ishval.
@@SnowyWolborg BRUH. THE EASTERN SAGE? Bradley told us the country had been steered this way since it's Inception. Get the hell out of here with your duplicate replies and utter nonsense.
And the scene where he talks about the “symphony” it’s his perspective when he killed Scar’s family and gave Scar injury that led to his brother giving him the deconstructing arm
He is quite the intelligent man-child. Loves a good conversation, but if you don't give him one, it's boring. And he loves a good symphony to get attention. Which is weird, because he kills his audience, gets bored, has to start again. He hasn't mastered that "leave an audience" part his ego craves.
11:10 Back when I first watched this show, this conversation completely went over my head. Now years later after revisiting this show, conflicts overseas, struggles here in the u.s.a, and around the world, really puts Bradley’s words in a greater perspective.
It's more that is the things we are seeing right now. There are plenty of similar events that happened though the history that were the inspiration for FMA
I mean WW2 was the inspiration for the Ishval scenes.. like almost 100%.. it's just human's have a nasty habit of repeating mistakes and not learning from our greatest tragedies and sins...
@@CrazeeAdam While most of the military is based in WW2 Germany, I feel the Ishval part was more based in what the Britains did in India and what happened in the Middle East. Even the Palestine situation is something that had a start in the 50s
One of my fave episodes. If you're gunna write genocide, don't just gloss over it as a convenient plot device. Go over the horror, of it and truly condemn it. I think this ep gives us empathy for Ishvalens and a critical look at our protagonist characters in the military too, but their regretful and responsible perspective justifies rooting for them. Great episode and reaction
Middle Eastern conflict has remain the same for these last decades, (I believe that’s what inspired the Ishvalan story) and it’s sad to see the theme is still relevant today 😭
I mean... it was based on WW2... It's more like humans have not learned.. after all of these years, to get along, to resolve differences peacefully.. to keep on repeating the same mistakes and sins. We still haven't. Will we ever remember the past to change the horrors of the future and present? hard to say.
In the original story, Mustang also participated in human experiments with Dr. Knox to collect data on the effects of burns and pain on the human body.
The only homunculi that hasn't revealed itself is Pride (although you have heard a conversation between Pride and Bradley). But don't be too anxious to meet Pride cause when you do, you'll wish you hadn't, lol.
Call me crazy but upon rewatching I hate Kimblee less than I did the first time. He actually makes some good points. He isn’t really any worse or more guilty than the other soldiers like Hawkeye or Mustang, just because he didn’t pretend to feel bad about what he was doing like they did.
You also have to at least on some level respect how realistic Kimblee was about the situation. Let's just be honest, we already know for a fact that Amestris is pretty much always in military conflicts with each one of their neighbors at every direction. Edward himself said things only started getting worse when Bradley came into power. So, anybody who goes into the military expecting anything less than to be sent into combat, killing other human beings who bleed the exact same blood as you, is just simply naive. Mustang, Hawkeye, Armstrong, and Hughes had these young, lofty ideals about how the military existed to protect people, only to find out the harsh reality that they were simply being turned into massacre weapons.
It was cut from the show but, as I recall, at one point during the extermination, Kimblee caught Armstrong letting some Ishvalans escape. Kimblee killed them all, of course, but then he *didn't* report Armstrong because he respected that at least Armstrong was risking himself to do something he believed in. Kimblee's killing people because he wants to. Armstrong was protecting people because he wants to. The people who were committing genocide but *didn't* want to; Kimblee has no patience for them. Also "gotta overthrow the government because I'm the only one who will put *me* on trial for war crimes" is a pretty baller motivation.
@@Cyrinil142 Exactly. One has to remember that despite Mustang's ambitions, he does not _always_ hold true to his own values. Which is exactly why Master Hawkeye did not want to teach him flame alchemy in the first place. He knew that Roy was the kind of person that could be misled with power. If Roy actually does manage to obtain the office of fuhrer, holding himself accountable for his actions during the civil war is the only way he can unquestionably prove to the citizenry that he's going to walk the walk.
Armstrong wasn't terrified in the scene you saw him in, he was traumatized because they were using his alchemy to trap Ishvalan's to be shot against the walls he made
The anime cut down the atrocities and the intricacies of the civil war SIGNIFICANTLY. in the manga, this one episode is an entire volume. It goes in depth, it's so rich and intricate. It drives home the horrors of war
You're right that you'd seen the Iron Blood Alchemist before. he's the one that gets killed in Scar's first appearance. He traps him in a metal box, not expecting him to be able to escape, only to be surprised by his destruction.
Douche Grande is entirely forgettable. Scar was just taking out an Armstrong wannabe.
I’ve read somewhere that Hiromu Arakawa interviewed former soldier/sniper to get the authenticity of Hawkeye’s story
This episode portrays war well, for the side who won and the side who lost. But really, no moral person on the side of Amestris feels they won anything. Particularly Riza because she knows that she can't hide behind the "just following orders" justification. She knows that one day Amestris is going to have to pay for what they did to Ishval, because a crime of that magnitude can't just be ignored. And she's accepted that she's going to be one of the ones paying.
Also, it makes perfect sense why Bradley does not believe in waiting for a so-called God for salvation. Where was "God" when the state was brainwashing him and those other little boys into being human weapons? 11 test subjects before him died to the stone, but his desire to live defeated the other wrathful souls until only he was left. From Bradley's POV, if your instinct is to rely on something unseen and unprovable, then your desire to continue living is weak.
But Amestris was co-opted. This'd be more like trying Manchuria for crimes the Japanese committed using local manpower. If there wasn't a literal god wannabe controlling things from behind the scenes, you may have had a point. But as it stands to reason, the utter dominating control of inhuman beings doesn't lead credence to the fact that Amestris is at fault here. Especially considering what we already know, Amestris only took to expanding and committing mass military atrocities AFTER Bradley came into power. Even more so, Envy is the literal cause of all the Ishvalan riots in the beginning of the War of Extermination. If I wanted to go even further, technically Amestris is a Xerxian puppet state that's been turned into a march. "Following orders justification" when you're only options are pretty much, die on the front lines, look into something too deeply and get left behind or getting disappeared, and finally my personal favorite getting turned into a philosopher's stone.
@@alreadyblack3341 Amestris was doing this before Beadley was born. Edward may have said that things only turn toward the militaristic once Bradley came into power, but that is factually untrue. Olivier quickly mentioned that the country started off incredibly small and kept absorbing neighbors into itself until it formed the circle that it is right now. And Falman listed over half a dozen major wars, aside from Ishval.
@@alreadyblack3341 Amestris was doing this before Beadley was born. Edward may have said that things only turn toward the militaristic once Bradley came into power, but that is factually untrue. Olivier quickly mentioned that the country started off incredibly small and kept absorbing neighbors into itself until it formed the circle that it is right now. And Falman listed over half a dozen major wars, aside from Ishval.
@@SnowyWolborg BRUH. THE EASTERN SAGE? Bradley told us the country had been steered this way since it's Inception. Get the hell out of here with your duplicate replies and utter nonsense.
Mustang's resolve to answer for his crimes after fixing the country is some next level Cincinnatus shit
You two already saw Kimblee. He was the locked up prisoner in the cell.
And the scene where he talks about the “symphony” it’s his perspective when he killed Scar’s family and gave Scar injury that led to his brother giving him the deconstructing arm
He is quite the intelligent man-child. Loves a good conversation, but if you don't give him one, it's boring. And he loves a good symphony to get attention. Which is weird, because he kills his audience, gets bored, has to start again. He hasn't mastered that "leave an audience" part his ego craves.
Armstrong was not terrified he was horrified
11:10 Back when I first watched this show, this conversation completely went over my head. Now years later after revisiting this show, conflicts overseas, struggles here in the u.s.a, and around the world, really puts Bradley’s words in a greater perspective.
It's more that is the things we are seeing right now.
There are plenty of similar events that happened though the history that were the inspiration for FMA
I mean WW2 was the inspiration for the Ishval scenes.. like almost 100%.. it's just human's have a nasty habit of repeating mistakes and not learning from our greatest tragedies and sins...
@@CrazeeAdam While most of the military is based in WW2 Germany, I feel the Ishval part was more based in what the Britains did in India and what happened in the Middle East. Even the Palestine situation is something that had a start in the 50s
Being of Palestinian descent and Jewish this episode always made me sad
14:51 I love the voice Al puts on here to impress May. Such a princely bravado, it's too funny and adorable😂
He's SOOOOO CUTE! One of my favorite scenes of the boys just being kids ☺️
Kimblee might be completely crazy by most standards, but he is fun to converse with. ...from a safe distance.
This episode sure hits different given the events going on overseas.
Free Palestine ✊
@@sharikobeall of them can sort their own shit out, get over there and pick a side or focus on things that actually apply to you
@@SmolAndAngyyy??? Are you even a human
One of my fave episodes. If you're gunna write genocide, don't just gloss over it as a convenient plot device. Go over the horror, of it and truly condemn it. I think this ep gives us empathy for Ishvalens and a critical look at our protagonist characters in the military too, but their regretful and responsible perspective justifies rooting for them. Great episode and reaction
It’s crazy how the Ishvalan war parallels to the current times
Middle Eastern conflict has remain the same for these last decades, (I believe that’s what inspired the Ishvalan story)
and it’s sad to see the theme is still relevant today 😭
It's been the same forever. The Ishvalan War of Extermination is based on the Holocaust, but humans have been genociding each other for millennia.
It feels especially relevant right now.
I mean... it was based on WW2...
It's more like humans have not learned.. after all of these years, to get along, to resolve differences peacefully.. to keep on repeating the same mistakes and sins. We still haven't. Will we ever remember the past to change the horrors of the future and present? hard to say.
When the first series came out it was more related relatedable to the invasion of Iraq. Envy was flying the first plane into the Twin Towers.
In the original story, Mustang also participated in human experiments with Dr. Knox to collect data on the effects of burns and pain on the human body.
It's been 10 years since I watched this show and I feel like I'm appreciating its themes more now that I'm older.
With the girls starting anime now with FMA, now that Legend of Korra is finished they should also check out the anime shows Erased or Monster
I figured they’d like the classics like Cowboy Bebop.
@@thephantompenanceYeah that would make sense for them but I’d love to see them react to erased and monster
@@adrianmerchant653 monster is 10/10 good suggestion
They should definitely do hunter x hunter
The only homunculi that hasn't revealed itself is Pride (although you have heard a conversation between Pride and Bradley). But don't be too anxious to meet Pride cause when you do, you'll wish you hadn't, lol.
Technically at this point Sloth isn’t there either
The maater of mustang was the true fire alquemist look the precitiin of the burn on the back its like an art and roys its more like extend
Call me crazy but upon rewatching I hate Kimblee less than I did the first time. He actually makes some good points. He isn’t really any worse or more guilty than the other soldiers like Hawkeye or Mustang, just because he didn’t pretend to feel bad about what he was doing like they did.
You also have to at least on some level respect how realistic Kimblee was about the situation. Let's just be honest, we already know for a fact that Amestris is pretty much always in military conflicts with each one of their neighbors at every direction. Edward himself said things only started getting worse when Bradley came into power.
So, anybody who goes into the military expecting anything less than to be sent into combat, killing other human beings who bleed the exact same blood as you, is just simply naive. Mustang, Hawkeye, Armstrong, and Hughes had these young, lofty ideals about how the military existed to protect people, only to find out the harsh reality that they were simply being turned into massacre weapons.
It was cut from the show but, as I recall, at one point during the extermination, Kimblee caught Armstrong letting some Ishvalans escape. Kimblee killed them all, of course, but then he *didn't* report Armstrong because he respected that at least Armstrong was risking himself to do something he believed in. Kimblee's killing people because he wants to. Armstrong was protecting people because he wants to. The people who were committing genocide but *didn't* want to; Kimblee has no patience for them.
Also "gotta overthrow the government because I'm the only one who will put *me* on trial for war crimes" is a pretty baller motivation.
@@Cyrinil142you nailed it pal 👏🏾
@@Cyrinil142 Exactly. One has to remember that despite Mustang's ambitions, he does not _always_ hold true to his own values. Which is exactly why Master Hawkeye did not want to teach him flame alchemy in the first place. He knew that Roy was the kind of person that could be misled with power. If Roy actually does manage to obtain the office of fuhrer, holding himself accountable for his actions during the civil war is the only way he can unquestionably prove to the citizenry that he's going to walk the walk.
Some of you guys shouldn't be allowed to have opinions
Order 3066..
Umm order 66?
King Bradley: *Dew it*
I always noticed that as well
Both fictional orders are likely named after Executive Order 9066, FDR's order to put people of Japanese ancestry in internment camps.
That, and also reminds me of executive order 9066 from 1942
Not the Episode 2 edit ☠☠☠
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6:40 the guys who can't shut up about their girl back home never make it...
Hey can y’all react to Steve Jobs (2015)? Just rewatched it and has many memorable moments that I think y’all will enjoy!
You should watch a romance Dangers in my heart!
Is there a special link to reviews of movies and not mini series/ TV shows? I see in the past you reviewed movies, but you don't any more?
Movies coming back soon ❤
So you guys don't do movie reactions anymore?
please post stranger things more often...
please post stranger things more often a week between episodes is way too long....
Watch either Naruto or bleach two of the big three