I would not mind a mirror matchup once a week, but i will watch every episode no matter the matchup anyway. Basicly it become a daily ritual to watch this cast.
I think that you could do something like “Mirror Match Mondays”, just once a week would be enough to sprinkle it throughout your schedule. But it would be nice if someone else curate and feed them to you so we know beforehand that we’ll at least get to watch better quality matches.
I dont know about you but that catch tyson made at 12 mins on the second shuttle is really suspicious. he had no vision but the second the shuttle moved out of the base on the mini map tyson moved 2 groups of goons north and left his reavers behind to keep his base safe from the goons comming down the middle
anyone else suspicious about the goon movement at 12 mins? like tyson has no vision but he knows to move 2 groups of goons north the SECOND motive leaves his base and he moves them to catch the shuttle that was split off of the army for a flank. I dont know about you but I really want to know why he only took his goons up there if he was "moving out". He left both his reavers and his shuttle in the natural and only took the goons to make that snipe and it doesnt look like it was a guess.
I don't even play the game anymore, but I like a mirror match now and again. ZvZ is especially interesting, imo. It feels like the fundamentals are amplified. Motive didn't have vision and Tyson had map position that neutralized two threats before they could do damage.
After 25-ish years, it's the first time I notice that scarabs appear on the mini-map. Also, I don't mind Protoss mirror matchups. Even if you're not a Protoss fan, it's just so satisfying to see that blue goo everywhere.
After 25 years I just noticed that when a reaver dies it doesn't refun dthe money for scarabs building!! I assumed it gave the money back like gateways with units making. I played the game at a high level for a long time and never knew that.
I love all three mirror matchups, but I just love watching Brood War. Spoiler: I think Motive got tunnel vision. He could have taken the last shuttle to the bottom, go across, and get into the main and at least gotten SOME damage, but instead it did zero.
The exciting part of non-mirror matches is seeing how well the game is balanced around the three completely different races. That, and lore are the most important reasons why mirror matches are less popular. It's way more fun imagining the Swarm annihilating their Protoss arch-enemies, or stimmed Marines wiping out hordes of Zerg ground units.
I enjoy the mirror matches as well. Perhaps not on a high frequency but they are nice from time to time. As an aside, the rich games that you've been putting up are really interesting! He's a solid player and he's contending with some tough opponents, win or lose. Really hoping for a zelot mirror matchup zvz! Or a scan/bishop vs whoever for tvt.. However I won't complain if it's not. Thank you for shaking things up a little bit. ♡ your casts bring me great joy, and chills.
Hi Artosis! I used to play starcraft like crazy, many years ago back when i gamed on PC. Now, maybe like lots of other people, we are from a spectator perspective. when it comes to mirror matches, those are the MOST fun to watch for me, cause its an even playing field. No excuses, either you win or you get outplayed and enjoy that ego depletion!
I don't mind any match ups. But you know what was real fun, The Bum Fight from like a year ago. Love seeing absolute amateurs going at it makes me appreciate the Pros that much more
Hi Artosis!! From a purely spectator POV: PvP>TvT>ZvZ. I feel PvP is more volatile and fun to watch, TvT is very strategy oriented and methodical, and ZvZ tends to just come down to micro and mind games, in my very humble opinion. Love the casts as always!!
I like mirrors. You never see them, so that's a plus in general, but the real reason I like them is those little mistakes seem so much more. Watching their build queue in the corner, there were times it was identical. I think seeing what makes the difference is really exciting.
@@godlyobject6509 I remember someone describing ZvZ as the most feral matchup in the game. It's the one matchup where Zerg feels the most Zerg. It's also no surprise that one mistake and you lose.
I like mirror matches! I think they are just as interesting as any other match up to watch. Especially with the way modern TvT works with vulture wars and wraith switches etc.
Funniest cast in a while. For mirrors, I love long strategic TvTs. ZvZ is such a "will it be good or will it fizzle?" PvP bores me but you at least get decent ones when you need to watch them.
Mirror matches are cool. They kinda break the "monotony", though all the matchups have, admittedly, a crazy amount of variance. Be that it as it may, I still enjoy mirrors almost as much as the non-mirror matchups, because they're an invariable part of the experience, regardless if you play the game, or just watch it.
Awesome game. Tyson is looking really impressive lately. I’m curious as to how much luck and or skill was involved in the shuffle picks. As much as it could have been bad luck like “shuttle in the wrong place at the wrong time”, it could have also had an element of Tyson knowing where the goons needed to be to pick a sneaky shuttle off. Hope that makes sense!
A few mirror matches here and there are nice, especially if the players are well known or a hype pairing. Maybe 1 every week or two is nice. I especially enjoy TvT actually, especially with Artosis knowing so much about it.
Usually mirror matchups feel boring to me because mutalisk / zergling / dragoon / vulture engagements feel like a toss-up on who gets the first volley. But TvT is great because defending siege tanks generally take the first shot, so it becomes a much more positional matchup even though both sides use the same units.
Honestly that's like E rank level control. The shuttle with 2 reavers is by far the most important thing in the game at that point, you gotta watch it.
@@alexfriedman2152 you too watch the minimap, man. Tyson's reaver scarab dudded on Motive's probes due to Motive's micro at that exact time he lost his own shuttle
@@VoiDukkha Doesn't matter. He's an ASL Protoss. I'm a casual B/A rank player. Big difference. That sht should be hot keyed and clicked to safety WHILE microing probes, period. Even at my level, honestly.
finish the video and will say i enjoy it as it felt nice to see both sides kind of working with some of the same pieces (though losing 2 shuttles for nothing kind of made it a little less cool)
I'd been away from watching SC for a long time and I was about to ask about mirror matches as well. Too bad such videos don't do as well bc I enjoy them.
I’m a fan of mirror matches, except for Zerg. Terran is my favorite mirror match and PvP is my second one. Having said that, I do enjoy ZvZ when it’s a series of matches between 2 high level players. Like Calm and Queen or Hero, Jaedong etc. Problem is the luck factor but in a best of 3 or more it’s a good indicator that it’s more than a simple lucky shot. TvT has been my favorite ever since that OSL semifinals (or finals can’t remember) between Flash and Baby (forgot his new name lol). Hate that many casters don’t do a lot of them because of how long they can last.
i enjoy watching the mirror matchups, if we only watch the non mirror ones we only get to see half of the possible matchups, im fine with the mirrors being more rare however but it would be cool if we could get one game of each mirror every month
So ultimately in the ideal universe of guys from the chat and guys from the comments it has to be Flash vs Flash mirror matchups! And Flash would have won! Every time! Without gg! And wifetosis would cast this!
Personally, I enjoy mirror matchups just as much. It's interesting for me to see players duke it out but while having the same exact tools. One or two casts every week would be fine with me
Yeah im a zerg, and ZvZ is great to watch. The micro and the small differences really shine there. When you look at TvT, it's very strategic, but apart from vulture wars, one worker or one unit mean much less than ZvZ. ZvZ is the matchup where every single thing matters the most. If you enjoy the small details of the game, I don't think any other matchup gives you such a spotlight into them. Worker micro, battle micro, macro decision making. One mistake means losing. I think that makes it worth watching.
TvT is the most strategic matchup in Brood War, how can you not love it? ZvZs are usually nice and fast and if not, they are absolutely epic games. PvP also has a lot of strategy involved. I think the mirror matchups in BW are techincally just as good as the non-mirrors, they are just aesthetically less pleasing than watching two different races fight. Whole different story than SC2 where the mirrors are just less fun in general and usually devolve into two people spamming the same units and the guy who loses less workers to harassment wins the game.
mirror matches are a hoax, some say a myth. I once met a mirror match deep in the woods. Apprehensively, I accepted its presence and we embraced there in the forest, we laid there amongst the moss and twigs and I knew what we felt was mutual. When I awoke the mirror match was gone, but my memory of that day will last forever...
I once met a mirror match sitting in the street looking at me funny. he said "Son". I said "Dad" is that you in disbelief. We embraced warmly. Then he headbutted me kicked me in the Nuts and told me to stay off ladder matches or i'll end up like him.
imo all matchups can be interesting, mirrored ones too, although zvz is usually the most interesting one (again in my opinion) - all depends on a replay.
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I would not mind a mirror matchup once a week, but i will watch every episode no matter the matchup anyway. Basicly it become a daily ritual to watch this cast.
Same hahaha
i like seeing games where i don't particularly have to root for someone and balance is removed from the equation.
Not sure what the right cadence is, but I would second that there have been too few mirror matches. (at least slightly)
No. Just no.
Same.
Please Artosis, can we have a Flash vs Flash mirror match?
Agreed
The amount of chills could reach critical levels.
Chills squared
I think that you could do something like “Mirror Match Mondays”, just once a week would be enough to sprinkle it throughout your schedule. But it would be nice if someone else curate and feed them to you so we know beforehand that we’ll at least get to watch better quality matches.
Mirror Match Mondays, please!
Chills!
Agreed
Mirror match Mondays with marines, medics and marauders
Going to also need Freaky Flash Fridays
You can hear in his voice that Artosis got so upset at Motive.
'oh come ON' lmao
He got - what's the opposite of chills?
@@tylerwinkle323 Fever?
I dont know about you but that catch tyson made at 12 mins on the second shuttle is really suspicious.
he had no vision but the second the shuttle moved out of the base on the mini map tyson moved 2 groups of goons north and left his reavers behind to keep his base safe from the goons comming down the middle
Hell yeah, I love mirror matches!
I for one as a Terran enjoyer love seeing protoss kill each other
I came here to comment the same. :) I love PvP, because in the end one protoss gets annihilated.
Every Terran player wins in a PvP
anyone else suspicious about the goon movement at 12 mins?
like tyson has no vision but he knows to move 2 groups of goons north the SECOND motive leaves his base and he moves them to catch the shuttle that was split off of the army for a flank.
I dont know about you but I really want to know why he only took his goons up there if he was "moving out".
He left both his reavers and his shuttle in the natural and only took the goons to make that snipe and it doesnt look like it was a guess.
Artosis I f***in love your casts. I've been watching them for the past 7 months. TY for the non-stop top-tier Starcraft action
I don't even play the game anymore, but I like a mirror match now and again. ZvZ is especially interesting, imo. It feels like the fundamentals are amplified. Motive didn't have vision and Tyson had map position that neutralized two threats before they could do damage.
ZvZ is horrible. TvT is slog. The PvP mirror is the most interesting, IMO.
@@ozar_midrashim yes but actually no, all mirrors are fun to watch but pvp is the best one true
@@ozar_midrashim very exciting how they make the same units and try to outmicro each other, indeed. It's basically a slower version of ZvZ.
I second that. Also don’t play but like watching ZvZ the most.
After 25-ish years, it's the first time I notice that scarabs appear on the mini-map.
Also, I don't mind Protoss mirror matchups. Even if you're not a Protoss fan, it's just so satisfying to see that blue goo everywhere.
After 25 years I just noticed that when a reaver dies it doesn't refun dthe money for scarabs building!! I assumed it gave the money back like gateways with units making. I played the game at a high level for a long time and never knew that.
In PvP, whoever loses, we win
@@P7ab this is the best outlook on it imo
@@alexfriedman2152
'' I played the game at a high level ''= D rank?
@@rocksparadox I'm like 2000 MMR lol. These days that doesn't mean that much though.
I love all three mirror matchups, but I just love watching Brood War.
Spoiler: I think Motive got tunnel vision. He could have taken the last shuttle to the bottom, go across, and get into the main and at least gotten SOME damage, but instead it did zero.
The exciting part of non-mirror matches is seeing how well the game is balanced around the three completely different races. That, and lore are the most important reasons why mirror matches are less popular.
It's way more fun imagining the Swarm annihilating their Protoss arch-enemies, or stimmed Marines wiping out hordes of Zerg ground units.
I enjoy the mirror matches as well. Perhaps not on a high frequency but they are nice from time to time.
As an aside, the rich games that you've been putting up are really interesting! He's a solid player and he's contending with some tough opponents, win or lose.
Really hoping for a zelot mirror matchup zvz!
Or a scan/bishop vs whoever for tvt..
However I won't complain if it's not. Thank you for shaking things up a little bit. ♡ your casts bring me great joy, and chills.
I don’t play ladder StarCraft. I watch your videos depending on my schedule and not the matchup. Love your casts!
Every morning I look in the mirror and it gives me chills.
Thank you Artosis!
I always appreciate how these videos fit perfectly into my lunch break time wise
Those “reaver in a shuttle” losses were brutal
Hi Artosis! I used to play starcraft like crazy, many years ago back when i gamed on PC. Now, maybe like lots of other people, we are from a spectator perspective. when it comes to mirror matches, those are the MOST fun to watch for me, cause its an even playing field. No excuses, either you win or you get outplayed and enjoy that ego depletion!
I don't mind any match ups. But you know what was real fun, The Bum Fight from like a year ago. Love seeing absolute amateurs going at it makes me appreciate the Pros that much more
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's spread.
As a terran player, I actually really like watching ZvZ... I don't see it enough to get bored, and each match just feels so crazy that it's exciting.
I will watch any matchup as long as you’re casting it.
Hi Artosis!! From a purely spectator POV: PvP>TvT>ZvZ. I feel PvP is more volatile and fun to watch, TvT is very strategy oriented and methodical, and ZvZ tends to just come down to micro and mind games, in my very humble opinion. Love the casts as always!!
I think mirror matches are definitely worth watching, and would appreciate more of them. They are a full third of the game after all.
I like mirrors. You never see them, so that's a plus in general, but the real reason I like them is those little mistakes seem so much more. Watching their build queue in the corner, there were times it was identical. I think seeing what makes the difference is really exciting.
The nice thing about mirror matchups is that I don't have to watch Zerg beat one of the races that I like.
I like what this comment implies.
Surprisingly fun PvP!
TvT : The only mirror I really like to watch.
PvP : The only mirror I don't mind playing.
ZvZ : Absolute garbage.
I love ZvZ. The margin is so razor-thin. TvT is my least favorite.
I think you've said it perfectly.
@@godlyobject6509 I remember someone describing ZvZ as the most feral matchup in the game. It's the one matchup where Zerg feels the most Zerg. It's also no surprise that one mistake and you lose.
ZvZ: Absolute garbage or absolute instant classic if we get to late game.
Mirror matchups are the spice of starcraft: important to the overall flavor but best used in moderation
Seeing artosis of all people getting increasingly frustrated with the wasted reavers is just to funny!
Excuse me, I need to have a talk with whoever suggested ladder matches. Need to set him straight.
I do enjoy the mirror matchups, it makes me appreciate each player's mechanical skill a bit more.
11:57 lol (i think mirror matchups are usually less fun but they're fine every now and then)
Finally, a PvP match! I think I have never seen those in SC1, despite watching the game for a few years now on different channels.
I love mirror matches, more please.
Thank you !
I like mirror matches! I think they are just as interesting as any other match up to watch. Especially with the way modern TvT works with vulture wars and wraith switches etc.
Funniest cast in a while. For mirrors, I love long strategic TvTs. ZvZ is such a "will it be good or will it fizzle?" PvP bores me but you at least get decent ones when you need to watch them.
@11:59 Angry Artosis is angry at people losing shuttles when they shouldn't be
As someone who usually has these casts on for mostly background noise, I do not care about what the matchup is
I like all mirror matchups, but don't stop casting whatever you like. That's when we get the most insights.
Mirror matches are cool. They kinda break the "monotony", though all the matchups have, admittedly, a crazy amount of variance. Be that it as it may, I still enjoy mirrors almost as much as the non-mirror matchups, because they're an invariable part of the experience, regardless if you play the game, or just watch it.
I think there must be a balance of replays including MIRRORS matches (yes, all of them). Not only the different-races ones.
Awesome game. Tyson is looking really impressive lately. I’m curious as to how much luck and or skill was involved in the shuffle picks. As much as it could have been bad luck like “shuttle in the wrong place at the wrong time”, it could have also had an element of Tyson knowing where the goons needed to be to pick a sneaky shuttle off. Hope that makes sense!
Zerg is so HYPE!
I'd prefer mirror matches to be few but I do still think they're important to watch now and then.
I know that the what she said jokes are old but *Don’t miss this spread!* is pretty accurate.
Motive is a very generous guy. Very generous donations.
A few mirror matches here and there are nice, especially if the players are well known or a hype pairing. Maybe 1 every week or two is nice. I especially enjoy TvT actually, especially with Artosis knowing so much about it.
the title sounds like something bowser would say to mario while he parted his
Huzzah, I asked and received!
Usually mirror matchups feel boring to me because mutalisk / zergling / dragoon / vulture engagements feel like a toss-up on who gets the first volley. But TvT is great because defending siege tanks generally take the first shot, so it becomes a much more positional matchup even though both sides use the same units.
I am happy to watch mirror match ups. Strategy is strategy and there is always something interesting to take away from
thanks for the listening to that guy in the comments!
I’m not a player but I like watching mirrors. I’m fine getting an extra long tvt video every so often. Also full support for Mirror Matchup Mondays.
Artosis casts is like having infinite 2012 gsl
10:21, look at the minimap, man
Honestly that's like E rank level control. The shuttle with 2 reavers is by far the most important thing in the game at that point, you gotta watch it.
@@alexfriedman2152 you too watch the minimap, man. Tyson's reaver scarab dudded on Motive's probes due to Motive's micro at that exact time he lost his own shuttle
@@VoiDukkha Doesn't matter. He's an ASL Protoss. I'm a casual B/A rank player. Big difference. That sht should be hot keyed and clicked to safety WHILE microing probes, period. Even at my level, honestly.
Mirror Match Monday!!!!!
The title changed from "How to Snipe a Reaver" to "Don't miss this spread!"
What sorcery is this?
Love the mirror matches
finish the video and will say i enjoy it as it felt nice to see both sides kind of working with some of the same pieces (though losing 2 shuttles for nothing kind of made it a little less cool)
mirror matches are important because regardless if you enjoy them or not you will be matched in mirror and need a viable strategy
I find mirror matchups super interesting too!
this one was anticlimactic though. poor shuttle control by motive
I'm new to brood war so im very happy to see mirror matchup
where are the FLASH games!??
;)
For the authentic PvP experience, may I suggest Protoss 7: Homeland? Such a fun mission.
I love seeing all that blue goo, btw.
I'd been away from watching SC for a long time and I was about to ask about mirror matches as well. Too bad such videos don't do as well bc I enjoy them.
I’m a fan of mirror matches, except for Zerg. Terran is my favorite mirror match and PvP is my second one. Having said that, I do enjoy ZvZ when it’s a series of matches between 2 high level players. Like Calm and Queen or Hero, Jaedong etc. Problem is the luck factor but in a best of 3 or more it’s a good indicator that it’s more than a simple lucky shot. TvT has been my favorite ever since that OSL semifinals (or finals can’t remember) between Flash and Baby (forgot his new name lol). Hate that many casters don’t do a lot of them because of how long they can last.
Good to be back on AYAYAcasts.
I think the one thing you can say SC2 definitively has over SC1 is the mirror matchups are more interesting and varied.
Finally! :D Some mirror matches.
I dont play really, but I kinda enjoy PvP since the rock, paper, scissors is simple enough that I kinda like how each player tries to navigate it.
i enjoy watching the mirror matchups, if we only watch the non mirror ones we only get to see half of the possible matchups,
im fine with the mirrors being more rare however but it would be cool if we could get one game of each mirror every month
as a non-player I don't mind the mirror matches too much but I feel like I can follow the flow of the non-mirror matches easier
So ultimately in the ideal universe of guys from the chat and guys from the comments it has to be Flash vs Flash mirror matchups!
And Flash would have won! Every time! Without gg! And wifetosis would cast this!
Personally, I enjoy mirror matchups just as much. It's interesting for me to see players duke it out but while having the same exact tools. One or two casts every week would be fine with me
Of all the mirror matches PvP is the most interesting to watch imo
Yeah im a zerg, and ZvZ is great to watch. The micro and the small differences really shine there.
When you look at TvT, it's very strategic, but apart from vulture wars, one worker or one unit mean much less than ZvZ.
ZvZ is the matchup where every single thing matters the most. If you enjoy the small details of the game, I don't think any other matchup gives you such a spotlight into them. Worker micro, battle micro, macro decision making. One mistake means losing. I think that makes it worth watching.
If every ZvZ was like that Action v Effort game from 2 ASLs ago, I'd watch that all. Day.
Enjoy your poop Arty!
If only he had sent his shuttle on attack-move command instead of move command.
this game felt like watching chess
Mirror Matches are the only way we're going to get TvT, the best matchup :)
Curious about what is currently up with guys like Garimto and Nalra. Do they occasionally play ladder or any casual Brood War games?
mirror matchups are fine. I don't think they're quite as interesting as non-mirrors, but they're still fun to watch.
Better to feature the occasional mirror match. I feel like I know nothing about them when they do happen in tournaments
yea super sweaty hold on that early 2 base epic game
This is funny. I was just thinking about mirror matches the other day and this appears on my feed. That 5G network reading my brainwaves.
Concave Holds. Identical Losses. Lazy Scuttles.
I'm curious, with 3 player maps in the rotation, do you ever see pro players do a 1v1v1? I think those types of matches would be really cool to see!
Mirror mirror on the wall…
Request: more Motive games. I feel bad for the guy! There's gotta be some games out there where he doesn't blunder this badly!
I think mirrors are good because they add depth to the game and double the match variety.
TvT is the most strategic matchup in Brood War, how can you not love it? ZvZs are usually nice and fast and if not, they are absolutely epic games. PvP also has a lot of strategy involved. I think the mirror matchups in BW are techincally just as good as the non-mirrors, they are just aesthetically less pleasing than watching two different races fight.
Whole different story than SC2 where the mirrors are just less fun in general and usually devolve into two people spamming the same units and the guy who loses less workers to harassment wins the game.
Thank you, guy in the comments!
I'm a fan of watching TvT. It's complete hell to play, but it's really fun to watch.
More mirror matches Mondays midday mkay?
mirror matches are a hoax, some say a myth. I once met a mirror match deep in the woods. Apprehensively, I accepted its presence and we embraced there in the forest, we laid there amongst the moss and twigs and I knew what we felt was mutual. When I awoke the mirror match was gone, but my memory of that day will last forever...
I once met a mirror match sitting in the street looking at me funny. he said "Son". I said "Dad" is that you in disbelief. We embraced warmly. Then he headbutted me kicked me in the Nuts and told me to stay off ladder matches or i'll end up like him.
Mirror Match Mondays
F-rank Fridays
mirror gives frisson
imo all matchups can be interesting, mirrored ones too, although zvz is usually the most interesting one (again in my opinion) - all depends on a replay.