This game is a great example of why SC is so popular, you don't see any close up action in it, but SC gives you real battle cinema even is it is at a a cartoon level.
I love it when a single big unit has a lot of different attacks it can perform at the same time (like the big ships, and the Titan in this match). It makes the bigger units feel like formidable weapon platforms that can take on a lot of units at a time. It's very satisfying to watch them shoot guns while launching missiles off it's back!
There is an alien race :D Not playable yet but we have a tower-defence mode in which you defend vs their swars, recommend it, its called Raptor Defense
I find myself enjoying these videos as they are much more chill than the sc2 ones. This means that I can do HW while watching it in the background without getting to distracted
What's crazy is how this game is still somehow more chill even when there's 8+ players on the field and there are dozens of nukes and giant robots turning the battlefield into a giant crater while the sound effects from every Transformers movie playing all at once blasts through the speakers.
@@EmperorSigismund simple, while there is a lot more stuff it is significantly smaller and less flashy than something like 160+ zerglings charging a tank line. As well as because winter is playing rather than casting.
It's less micro heavy than StarCraft. If there's a macro level RTS, those from Total Annihilation such as this game is one of them it doesn't rely on how fast your reflexes are to time your skills, it relies on your overall knowledge of Unit and Terrain. (some games allow you to even remodel the terrain for advantages, nothing beats making a mountain as a wall and bombarding your enemies behind it, some of them even cause terrain deformation if hit by something too hard). Complete with the fact you can automate unit production and transport, yeah Just leave it pumping Engineers I don't care. If they get caught under enemy fire, my engineers will heal themselves and recycle the enemy (otherwise known as the Grey Goo strategy in Supreme Commander) while building more resource and production buildings. This is one of the RTS that I can win without a full keyboard. (Just arrow keys, not hotkeys for construction, production, etc)
@@mr_confuseIt definitely requires a different mindset going into it, and proper camera settings so you don't get disorientated by the way the planets work. Also the epically large scale can potentially lead to frustration and/or panic at times.
I'm subbing expecting more BAR content in the future. Ye I know it's a primarily Starcraft channel, but if BAR is on here at least on occasion I'm subbed. Great game!
Could you maybe go through such a replay and explain abit what is happpening? Maybe just over the review/VOD? Would be great to get abit more info what exactly is going on :D
Thank you for finding this! I used to play Battle Annihilation years ago, I sometime play Planetary Annihilation which is fun too, but not the same. Great content with SC and BAR.
PA is amazing. Fantastic controls, timeless artistic style, and the only RTS I know with 4 battle theatres. It's a masterpiece, and somehow it's ignored by 95% of the RTS community.
To expand on a theme in comments - the game looks great and I love that you're giving it some love. From a spectator experience standpoint, it doesn't hold out over long periods at high zoom. I wouldn't say I'm never willing to look at icons - if you're going to take in 1000 units and base and front lines all at once, icons are fine and stuff will be tiny. But you gotta zoom in on the front lines sometimes for eye candy. This game is DYING for an observer interface, a split screen or dual monitor view that lets you look zoomed out and zoomed in side by side, and a caster to help me explain what's going on. I played TA and SCFA and read the BAR website for hours but I can't tell one bot from another, or arty from rez bots from vehicles, etc out there. With some sustained attention to visual UI and storytelling for us clueless this game could EXPLODE. I don't have time or friends to try it myself as an old.
Wait this game is not 70-100€ (d4) with micro transactions. I might have to check this out. There used to be similar opensource game which I played 5-6 years ago, and it was pretty fun.
The counter tick spam is attack ground commands. So yeah more micro but your statics can handle the ticks if you make your arty Hit the ground where enemy mains are. Ticks are just a distraction you take out the pushing units you've halted the advance regardless how many ticks there are. So yeah to counter the tick spam.. literally just ignore the ticks. Difficult to do but better to attempt it than to just let it happen.
He did everything from a macro standpoint. It actually looks amazing closer in, this guy was just kind of cheesing it against inept opponents/setup match.
You're getting really good bro!! 🙌🏾 tick spam is great for distraction. Perhaps try some more artillery to protect your frontline next time so you don't have to spend so much time micro-ing
The big thing i dont like is i feel like im looking at symbols more than the units. Just a personal gripe. I like to actually see my units. Not a bunch of tetris shapes.
then you sir would not have his settings choices. my symbols are not like this, because im the same. i can tell a unit from another unit just by glancing at it. winter has made his look this way. the ui is quite customisable.
You should build Your first construction turret a lot quicker, and You should place it so all 3 nearby metal extractors are in range of Your construction turret, so it can help upgrade those 3 metal extractor. That is huge help when You go to level 2 tech. Usually I build about 5 to 6 solar collectors (or wind equivalent) and then i build INSTANTLY 8 to 10 advanced solar collectors and then build INSTANTLY level 2 factory. Also, my every lvl2 constructor is followed/supported by 3 lvl1 constructors.
I played a lot of supreme commander when I was young this looks like the same exact game with a new name and a larger following. Is that essentially what I’m seeing here?
Kinda hard to compare, especially cuz in BAR you can automate macro and even micro to an extent. But speaking strictly manual macro, SC2 definitely requires more macro, cuz most of the time you're building multiple different buildings (Stargates, Warp Gates, Hatcheries, and so on,) whereas this game you're encouraged to NOT spam unit production buildings, because there's construction turrets that speeds up both building building & unit production way more than spamming infrastructure.
I mean the company that made Planetary Annihilation worked on both Total Annihilation and Supreme Commander and BAR is based off of Total Annihilation.
Nothing bugs me more than players basically going afk (*ahem* magenta player) while you're under siege. Edit: ok, magenta wasn't doing nothing as evidenced by the plasma arty, but point remains!
So you are saying I should log back on after my Bar break for the hopes of being in a game with Winter... Hmmm Mayvbe I shall either way, the texture update on the ground looks pretty good
Liches are on hold fire by default, which is insanely annoying. Trying to convince the devs to stop that, coz there is no way to get them out the factory with fire at will at the moment...
Yeahhhh. My only issue with this game is the icons are good for playing but not so much for watching, kinda like just colored dots vs other colored dots.
Yeah IMO Winter should be casting instead of playing it himself lolz, but on second i don't think there's much BAR players known to be that exciting to watch anyways, like maybe a BAR version of Byun?
@@trobertw BAR was BA before, which was AA before which takes it back all the way to 2006 iirc On the other hand we actually have some AoS former modders in our team, so I guess you can say that
I know Winter wants Beyond All Reason to be a thing, but the zoomed-out fights this game has are just not good viewer material. You see a bunch of colored dots on a barren map and somehow need to be excited about it.
Is he just never going to rebuild his first mine? Maybe he didn't notice? Or I'm blind, but I think that's a wreck and not a functional building. Edit: okay he noticed after 5 minutes.
when in battle. i Y-Click my priority taregst, good when raiding and non stop moving, or in a fight with tick spam...... Y click bacially tells the unit selected to only attack the y click targets - but this is only i effect when the y clicked target is in range. so they dont just do nothing else. for example, your enemy could y click your army. and then at any time a push happens they ignore ticks if your army in range. also. build anti radar area buildings! you can link them and it helps push ground without the enemy knowing. EDIT: any bomber unit is 20000% more effective when you tell them to bomb a specific area. a click, not a drag :), gunships do not require this.
Hey, if you are enjoying BAR so much, maybe try out some Supreme Commander. Specifically, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. It was the successor to Total Annihilation. It's still got solid gameplay 15 years later, albeit it is not free. However, it's like 15 bucks, and still got an active community with the Forged Alliance Forever Client
speaking of "endless siege battles" did you ever play Warzone 2100? A great game that should have gotten a 2nd gen upgrade. Another rts game I enjoyed was Dune 2000, though buggy and not well done, it was good concept. Poll question, "should Activ-blizzrd buy the rights to Warhammer?
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Very interesting to see more BAR content. Looking forward to it
This game is a great example of why SC is so popular, you don't see any close up action in it, but SC gives you real battle cinema even is it is at a a cartoon level.
Me and my buddy stopped playing starcraft a while ago. Started playing this last night, we've been hooked.
I just did the same
Thank you Winter for spotlighting this.
I found it a few weeks ago and have been waiting for it to pop up throughout the RTS community.
I love it when a single big unit has a lot of different attacks it can perform at the same time (like the big ships, and the Titan in this match). It makes the bigger units feel like formidable weapon platforms that can take on a lot of units at a time. It's very satisfying to watch them shoot guns while launching missiles off it's back!
Yes, more BAR! Could you do some casts as well? 🥺
I tried BAR thanks to You Winter and I hope You'll keep showing this game on the channel
I was watching this live on Twitch. Very impressive to see you 1v3 like this and experimenting with unit compositions while doing it!
installed BAR because of the last video, it's pretty damn great
I love how this game feels and looks, even if it lacks alien races it's a pretty dope concept and i hope you continue to showcase it :)
Game name?
There is an alien race :D Not playable yet but we have a tower-defence mode in which you defend vs their swars, recommend it, its called Raptor Defense
@@TimmyOgunniyi Beyond All Reason
@@PtaQ_Q_*”we have”*_?! Are you a developer??
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 yep
This game is super fun. I haven’t had as much fun with an RTS in a long time, great to see that change.
I find myself enjoying these videos as they are much more chill than the sc2 ones. This means that I can do HW while watching it in the background without getting to distracted
What's crazy is how this game is still somehow more chill even when there's 8+ players on the field and there are dozens of nukes and giant robots turning the battlefield into a giant crater while the sound effects from every Transformers movie playing all at once blasts through the speakers.
@@EmperorSigismund simple, while there is a lot more stuff it is significantly smaller and less flashy than something like 160+ zerglings charging a tank line. As well as because winter is playing rather than casting.
It's less micro heavy than StarCraft. If there's a macro level RTS, those from Total Annihilation such as this game is one of them it doesn't rely on how fast your reflexes are to time your skills, it relies on your overall knowledge of Unit and Terrain. (some games allow you to even remodel the terrain for advantages, nothing beats making a mountain as a wall and bombarding your enemies behind it, some of them even cause terrain deformation if hit by something too hard). Complete with the fact you can automate unit production and transport, yeah Just leave it pumping Engineers I don't care. If they get caught under enemy fire, my engineers will heal themselves and recycle the enemy (otherwise known as the Grey Goo strategy in Supreme Commander) while building more resource and production buildings. This is one of the RTS that I can win without a full keyboard. (Just arrow keys, not hotkeys for construction, production, etc)
What a game! I remember the times I used to play Planetary Annihilation: TITANS all the time
reminded me a lot abt that game!
FINALLY, someone that acknowledge PA exists and is great! Drives me nuts that everyone ignores it, when it has been the best RTS ever made, IMO.
@@catbert7 I really love the aspect of that game too, it wasn't a bad game, perhaps a bit... misunderstood?
@@mr_confuseIt definitely requires a different mindset going into it, and proper camera settings so you don't get disorientated by the way the planets work. Also the epically large scale can potentially lead to frustration and/or panic at times.
Yes! More BAR content! MOAR!
I'm subbing expecting more BAR content in the future. Ye I know it's a primarily Starcraft channel, but if BAR is on here at least on occasion I'm subbed. Great game!
Man those windmills and solar collectors are some real nostalgia
Looking forward to playing this game myself
super cool to see this, i've been going back and playing TA lately
I like how winter completely abandoned his original base and focused on the guys base that d/c and became his
Could you maybe go through such a replay and explain abit what is happpening? Maybe just over the review/VOD? Would be great to get abit more info what exactly is going on :D
You know it's a good game when Winter doesn't make a sound for 25 minutes 😄
Been watching your 12hour BAR vods on twitch, now I can have a highlight game on youtube too! neat
Bar just feels good to play, just about anything you'd need high apm for in starcraft just has an option or key to do it easier
So a game for casuals? Perfect, I suck at high stress micro stuff XD
@@noneofyourbusiness4133 having good key binds doesn’t make it for casuals lol
The comment before mine is wrong. This game looks awesome and I've been having a blast playing it! Tasks for introducing me to this game!
Thank you for finding this! I used to play Battle Annihilation years ago, I sometime play Planetary Annihilation which is fun too, but not the same.
Great content with SC and BAR.
PA is amazing. Fantastic controls, timeless artistic style, and the only RTS I know with 4 battle theatres. It's a masterpiece, and somehow it's ignored by 95% of the RTS community.
To expand on a theme in comments - the game looks great and I love that you're giving it some love. From a spectator experience standpoint, it doesn't hold out over long periods at high zoom. I wouldn't say I'm never willing to look at icons - if you're going to take in 1000 units and base and front lines all at once, icons are fine and stuff will be tiny. But you gotta zoom in on the front lines sometimes for eye candy. This game is DYING for an observer interface, a split screen or dual monitor view that lets you look zoomed out and zoomed in side by side, and a caster to help me explain what's going on. I played TA and SCFA and read the BAR website for hours but I can't tell one bot from another, or arty from rez bots from vehicles, etc out there.
With some sustained attention to visual UI and storytelling for us clueless this game could EXPLODE. I don't have time or friends to try it myself as an old.
What a game! You definitely won "Most Move Orders Spammed" =o
Wait this game is not 70-100€ (d4) with micro transactions. I might have to check this out.
There used to be similar opensource game which I played 5-6 years ago, and it was pretty fun.
Name of the similar open source game?
The counter tick spam is attack ground commands. So yeah more micro but your statics can handle the ticks if you make your arty Hit the ground where enemy mains are.
Ticks are just a distraction you take out the pushing units you've halted the advance regardless how many ticks there are. So yeah to counter the tick spam.. literally just ignore the ticks. Difficult to do but better to attempt it than to just let it happen.
BAR is great. More please!
1:37 when the game said "Low power." and he responded with "Mmhmm."
I felt that.
Amazing! Installed BAR thanks to you :)
ROFL - I forgot just HOW much faster competitive starcraft is to ANY other RTS. Shout out to the OG 4 Gate Toss.
the extremely small scale of everything makes it hard to be interested in what is going on for me.
new players suck at eco and macro. so theres less stuff on field. like more chaos? be better and make more chaos.
Small scale in comparison to what?
He did everything from a macro standpoint.
It actually looks amazing closer in, this guy was just kind of cheesing it against inept opponents/setup match.
yoo my boy listening to Hardspace Shipbreaker ost, the true cultured chad
You're getting really good bro!! 🙌🏾 tick spam is great for distraction. Perhaps try some more artillery to protect your frontline next time so you don't have to spend so much time micro-ing
The big thing i dont like is i feel like im looking at symbols more than the units. Just a personal gripe. I like to actually see my units. Not a bunch of tetris shapes.
then you sir would not have his settings choices. my symbols are not like this, because im the same. i can tell a unit from another unit just by glancing at it. winter has made his look this way. the ui is quite customisable.
I likewise don't like and don't use the symbols, and love the game :)
You should build Your first construction turret a lot quicker, and You should place it so all 3 nearby metal extractors are in range of Your construction turret, so it can help upgrade those 3 metal extractor.
That is huge help when You go to level 2 tech.
Usually I build about 5 to 6 solar collectors (or wind equivalent) and then i build INSTANTLY 8 to 10 advanced solar collectors and then build INSTANTLY level 2 factory.
Also, my every lvl2 constructor is followed/supported by 3 lvl1 constructors.
More Winter moooooooore!
This game is pretty cool to watch. This game is a lot less arcadey than sc i think it suits it well. Entertaining to watch in a different way.
Am I the only one who wants to see what these guys will make for the Legion Experimentals?
I played a lot of supreme commander when I was young this looks like the same exact game with a new name and a larger following. Is that essentially what I’m seeing here?
I have no idea what's going on, but I like the sound effects, lights, and moving colors. How does this this game compare to SC2 in terms of macro?
Kinda hard to compare, especially cuz in BAR you can automate macro and even micro to an extent.
But speaking strictly manual macro, SC2 definitely requires more macro, cuz most of the time you're building multiple different buildings (Stargates, Warp Gates, Hatcheries, and so on,) whereas this game you're encouraged to NOT spam unit production buildings, because there's construction turrets that speeds up both building building & unit production way more than spamming infrastructure.
ngl after watching the first minute I'm very much reminded of planetary annihilation.
BAR!!!! DO MORE VIDS ESPECIALLY ON BUILD ORDERS!
This looks very awesome!!
How does it compare to FAF?
Just installed BAR. Thanks for the insight to this newish game.
jeez youre a badass, keep it up man
I like this game. Looking forward to more BAR content
Pink is just happy to be included :P
Never trust a liar
Wait. Is this Total Annihilation?!
What are those trees made of ? You're extracting tons of metal out of them.
If you like BAR you should also try to play FAF (forge alliance forever) which is what inspired BAR. It is really good
bro this is straight up planetary annihilation lol
I mean the company that made Planetary Annihilation worked on both Total Annihilation and Supreme Commander and BAR is based off of Total Annihilation.
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GG
I know you were in the zone but it would be nice to hear what your thinking in the heat of battle :)
Hey guys I’m brand new to rts. Should I learn this or StarCraft 2 first or wait for a new one to come out? Thank you :)
Nothing bugs me more than players basically going afk (*ahem* magenta player) while you're under siege.
Edit: ok, magenta wasn't doing nothing as evidenced by the plasma arty, but point remains!
I got to wonder. What the heck was pink doing? He sat in his base most of the match and didn't contribute.
is this the next e-sport banger??
Love these videos! Please make more BaR content!
Commenting to boost!😊😅
I like playing with 12000 units in a game. I just wish there were bigger maps.
Bronze League BARs!! Cast any game of any skill level and I'll be there!
Point of repeating is that completed commands are added back to the queue
Awesome!
gg carry
So you are saying I should log back on after my Bar break for the hopes of being in a game with Winter... Hmmm
Mayvbe I shall either way, the texture update on the ground looks pretty good
Liches are on hold fire by default, which is insanely annoying. Trying to convince the devs to stop that, coz there is no way to get them out the factory with fire at will at the moment...
Just noticed BAR has linux support out of the box, gonna try it tonight :)
Man, Linux is the reason I first installed BAR
I REALLY need to know where to find Winters background music. Please!!
Found it: Hardspace Shipbreaker Original Soundtrack
I would like anyway, but double liking (Okey, triple so that it would stay liked lol) just because of indie/AA exposure!!
Also ty Winter for a most entertaining match. ❤😊
Give us a full guide / tutorial on how to set up a good economy , stabilize, and push like what was done in this video
he's still just learning the game too, in hist other video he showed how the basics work though!
More BAR!
Can you cast a replay and change camera angle to show something similar to the thumbnail?
You can just click metal with a constructor, no need to select extractor.
Jimi, where is the production, JIMI spend your money!
hardship shipbreaker soundtrack?
Yeahhhh. My only issue with this game is the icons are good for playing but not so much for watching, kinda like just colored dots vs other colored dots.
can switch icons off :)
@@PtaQ_QI know, been playing
Yeah IMO Winter should be casting instead of playing it himself lolz, but on second i don't think there's much BAR players known to be that exciting to watch anyways, like maybe a BAR version of Byun?
Well, unless you're watching a spectator view most RTS aren't good for watching.
Game is almost identical to "Ashes of the singularity" , I'm sure they took some inspiration from it
This game has been in development for a long time, before ashes.
@@dubhd4r4 ashes was released in 2016.
Seeing as BAR has still been in development since then it's pretty likely they still took inspiration from it.
@@trobertw BAR was BA before, which was AA before which takes it back all the way to 2006 iirc
On the other hand we actually have some AoS former modders in our team, so I guess you can say that
All of the mentioned games took heavy inspiration from 1997 Total Annihilation. BAR is just a very modernized version of it.
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We stan bar here
I know Winter wants Beyond All Reason to be a thing, but the zoomed-out fights this game has are just not good viewer material. You see a bunch of colored dots on a barren map and somehow need to be excited about it.
Is he just never going to rebuild his first mine? Maybe he didn't notice? Or I'm blind, but I think that's a wreck and not a functional building.
Edit: okay he noticed after 5 minutes.
need more
Cool game! I hope they code it to work for macOS someday! (No need to reply with negative comments please)
when in battle. i Y-Click my priority taregst, good when raiding and non stop moving, or in a fight with tick spam...... Y click bacially tells the unit selected to only attack the y click targets - but this is only i effect when the y clicked target is in range. so they dont just do nothing else. for example, your enemy could y click your army. and then at any time a push happens they ignore ticks if your army in range.
also. build anti radar area buildings! you can link them and it helps push ground without the enemy knowing.
EDIT: any bomber unit is 20000% more effective when you tell them to bomb a specific area. a click, not a drag :), gunships do not require this.
There is also an option to turn this on by default right click, amazing for micro players
Play Northgard!!! Great team games.
Can we get music playlist please
Hardspace Shipbreaker Original Soundtrack
🦊👍
Hey, if you are enjoying BAR so much, maybe try out some Supreme Commander. Specifically, Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance. It was the successor to Total Annihilation. It's still got solid gameplay 15 years later, albeit it is not free. However, it's like 15 bucks, and still got an active community with the Forged Alliance Forever Client
mOOOOAAAARRR
Ayaya
doing everything lmao
speaking of "endless siege battles" did you ever play Warzone 2100? A great game that should have gotten a 2nd gen upgrade. Another rts game I enjoyed was Dune 2000, though buggy and not well done, it was good concept. Poll question, "should Activ-blizzrd buy the rights to Warhammer?
It was funny when the voices said "Low Power" and i heard "Joe Biden"
more please, teach us the game
Daddy can you pllssssss play more of this GAAAAMEEEEE PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEUHHHHH
I would assume his enemies were just simply imcompetent otherwise this game is just awfully unbalanced...
I really suck at this game lol
people actually play this still? I know there is a rather healthy supreme comander community left, but total annihilation?