I like it when RUclipsrs do swatching for themselves rather than claiming that they are doing for the viewers alone. I think Daler Rowney is quite an underrated brand. This has definitely pique my interest in trying out the aquafine range.
Hi, Kori! Thanks for the comparison! To throw another Alizarin Crimson into the mix: W&N Cotman and Professional are in the process of changing from PR206 to Pr179. It's to be known as Permanent Alizarin Crimson, but the pigment name is Perylene Maroon, formulated to match PR206 as nearly is is possible. It's because PR206 (actually Quinacridone Maroon, and tweaked by the artists' paint companies under various names and colours) has been discontinued by the manufacturer. I stocked up on PR206 before the news broke, purely for economic reasons thrown up by Brexit (the £ - € exchange rate bombed and has never recovered! - because of my move to France!). I'm glad, because I love the W&N PR206 Permanent Aliz! It makes the most scrumptious purples and violets! However, I'm curious, and may eventually buy a small tube of the 'new' version just to see what it's like!
@@watercolorwanderingwithk Yes - but PR179 in the W&N range will still be called Permanant Alizarin Crimson. 😊Some folk have the new one already (eg it's the version now being sold on Jackson's Art Supplies, Jerry's Artarama & Blick - oddly, Blick is saying it also has PV19, which is not listed on the W&N website, Jackson's or Jerry's!). Others are still using older stock of PR206, or can still buy it from smaller retailers which may still have stock of it. I only mentioned it as a matter of interest because some people will already have the PR179 version. 😊
I've also been curious how the new Permanent Alizarin Crimson looks compared to the PR206 version. I've only found one video comparing them. I would also love to see the new brown madder compared to PR206
I’d have never bought a student brand but I’m purchasing the Daler Rowney…it was not what I expected to like the most for Alizarin…lol I also love the DS but agree it’s not exactly what I’d expect… I began in oils and Alizarin was one of my most used pigments so I’m very familiar with what it looks like in oil…. Thank you again! Can’t wait to see more of these comparisons
There are few comparisons already on my channel if you haven't caught those yet :). Yeah the Daler Rowney one was quite a surprise for me, such a lovely color.
I’m with you- love the look of the Daler rowney for an alizarin crimson , as colour wise that is what I think of . It’s pretty too! I actually have a maimeri blu colour that I’m sure looks incredibly similar to it ( I haven’t looked at my watercolours for such a long time, but I desperately want to paint& colour so incredibly much). Thank you so much for these ☺️ I love watching them all 😊
@@watercolorwanderingwithk agree about the maimerie blu- this was a pan that was on the clearance section so grabbed it with another! Haven’t really used them otherwise tbh, but they didn’t really seem worth it to me for some reason , guess was based on reviews on just 🤷♀️ over here at least pricey and better off getting something else from Jackson’s !
Another video that shows us why it's more important to go by pigments rather than the name the company gives their paint! I'd choose the Grumbacher too if it wasn't made with fugitive PR83. My favourite of the paints with lightfast pigments is the W&N Pro. I am a big PR206 fan, though. I like the Holbein paint! Never seen that pigment combo before. Thanks for the video. Hope you have a great 2024! 🥰
Smincke's alizarine crimson, PR83:1, is gorgeous, but with important lightfast issues, as all those which share this pigment. Some brands that use PR177 claim to be lightfast, but I am not sure. Do you have any information about it? Thank you
PR 177 is Anthraquinone Red. Although the paint companies list its lightfast rating as 'good or 'excellent', Kimberley Crick says, _"Many companies have changed their paints to be called "Alizarin Permanent" when they switched the pigment ingredient to a similar, slightly more stable red such as PR264 or PR177 mixtures. I like Winsor and Newton's PV19 and PR206 combo because of its superior lightfastness . Be aware that the more common replacement - PR177 - is still prone to fading in it's diluted range but has a more stable masstone than PR83 had.The original PR83 pigment, by popular demand, is still offered by many brands though it is often appropriately labeled as fugitive LFIII to IV at this point."_ End of quote
When I was a watercolor beginner I didn’t know a thing about pigments. I purchased Daniel Smith’s permanent alizarin crimson (PR177, PV19, PR149). I was unhappy because it’s a bit murky. It’s not a clean red and when I mixed it with blue to make purple it was awful! Once I learned about pigments I understood why I couldn’t make purple with the permanent alizarin crimson. I’d be interested in lemon yellow. I have two potters/potter’s pink but rarely use them.
Hey! I have watched your vids on your other channel for awhile now. Your watercolor pencil comparison videos really helped me to narrow down which set I wanted to try. I'm excited to see your watercolor videos too! 🙏☺️ (Added upon edit...) Do you have the Daniel Smith Alizarin Crimson (single fugitive pigment PR83) or Permanent Alizarin Crimson (multi pigment mix of PR 177, PV 19, PR 149)?
Thank you for this video. In 2008 the only 2 good quality brands in South Africa was W&N (only in 5ml white tubes & pans) & Daler Rowney in 15ml tubes. I bought many of them in as they were the only artist quality available. Interesting that both brands of my AC are PR83.
Your DS is a true Alizarin Crimson, not a hue. The DS Permanent Alizarin Crimson is a hue. True Alizarin Crimson is a beautiful color but fugitive (fades rapidly over time), which is why it is no longer commonly used by most professional artists.
It’s wild how different they all are. I like the Grumbacher, Daler Rowney and both the W&N versions. The DS is pretty but way too red. It’s a shame that PR83 fades so quickly or it’d be hands down my favourite cool red.
PR83 as is used in the Grumbacher is the true, original Alizarin Crimson pigment. It is not lightfast and fades radically. That is why so many of these do not use PR 83 but lightfast replacement mixes.
I would very much like to see these colors in m Graham because I'm very interested in getting those paints. If you have any of these beautiful colors that you have tested in that brand could you please do a video on it. I know that it is not a preferred paint for most people because of the drying issues but I live in Phoenix and I have an extremely well climate controlled house so I have found no issue with honey watercolor paints. Before I jump into that brand I would really like to see the color results.
Sadly, I don't have a ton of M Graham tubes and can't afford to buy them just for comparisons. I may see if anyone has quarter pans they can make for me to buy off of them.
So you have to remember the name only means so much. Pigments are the primary resource, that said PR83 is a fugitive color and while they make their Alizarin Crimson with PR83 (Holbein), their Permanent Alizarin Crimson uses a different combo to avoid being fugitive.
I love that first swatch so pretty ❤
Thank you
I like it when RUclipsrs do swatching for themselves rather than claiming that they are doing for the viewers alone. I think Daler Rowney is quite an underrated brand. This has definitely pique my interest in trying out the aquafine range.
Honestly they aren't a bad brand at all. I've enjoyed their paints
Hi, Kori! Thanks for the comparison! To throw another Alizarin Crimson into the mix: W&N Cotman and Professional are in the process of changing from PR206 to Pr179. It's to be known as Permanent Alizarin Crimson, but the pigment name is Perylene Maroon, formulated to match PR206 as nearly is is possible. It's because PR206 (actually Quinacridone Maroon, and tweaked by the artists' paint companies under various names and colours) has been discontinued by the manufacturer.
I stocked up on PR206 before the news broke, purely for economic reasons thrown up by Brexit (the £ - € exchange rate bombed and has never recovered! - because of my move to France!). I'm glad, because I love the W&N PR206 Permanent Aliz! It makes the most scrumptious purples and violets! However, I'm curious, and may eventually buy a small tube of the 'new' version just to see what it's like!
Yes, but I'm doing ones by name right now. I will eventually get on to actual pigment numbers.
@@watercolorwanderingwithk Yes - but PR179 in the W&N range will still be called Permanant Alizarin Crimson. 😊Some folk have the new one already (eg it's the version now being sold on Jackson's Art Supplies, Jerry's Artarama & Blick - oddly, Blick is saying it also has PV19, which is not listed on the W&N website, Jackson's or Jerry's!). Others are still using older stock of PR206, or can still buy it from smaller retailers which may still have stock of it.
I only mentioned it as a matter of interest because some people will already have the PR179 version. 😊
I've also been curious how the new Permanent Alizarin Crimson looks compared to the PR206 version. I've only found one video comparing them. I would also love to see the new brown madder compared to PR206
Da Vinci has a beautiful Alizarin Crimson Hue. Jane Blundell prefers this formula.
Yes, DaVinci's is a quinacridone, PV19.
I'll have to look into that. I am doing a pigment comparison down the road and not just "names"
I’d have never bought a student brand but I’m purchasing the Daler Rowney…it was not what I expected to like the most for Alizarin…lol
I also love the DS but agree it’s not exactly what I’d expect…
I began in oils and Alizarin was one of my most used pigments so I’m very familiar with what it looks like in oil….
Thank you again!
Can’t wait to see more of these comparisons
There are few comparisons already on my channel if you haven't caught those yet :). Yeah the Daler Rowney one was quite a surprise for me, such a lovely color.
I loove the original pigment, but I adore Holbein's version! And winsor and newton looks so nice too
Holbeins is definitely a pretty one
I’m with you- love the look of the Daler rowney for an alizarin crimson , as colour wise that is what I think of . It’s pretty too! I actually have a maimeri blu colour that I’m sure looks incredibly similar to it ( I haven’t looked at my watercolours for such a long time, but I desperately want to paint& colour so incredibly much). Thank you so much for these ☺️ I love watching them all 😊
I just started buying Maimeri Blu colors. They aren't too bad, but some are "off" I guess you could say lol
@@watercolorwanderingwithk agree about the maimerie blu- this was a pan that was on the clearance section so grabbed it with another! Haven’t really used them otherwise tbh, but they didn’t really seem worth it to me for some reason , guess was based on reviews on just 🤷♀️ over here at least pricey and better off getting something else from Jackson’s !
Another video that shows us why it's more important to go by pigments rather than the name the company gives their paint! I'd choose the Grumbacher too if it wasn't made with fugitive PR83. My favourite of the paints with lightfast pigments is the W&N Pro. I am a big PR206 fan, though. I like the Holbein paint! Never seen that pigment combo before. Thanks for the video. Hope you have a great 2024! 🥰
Thank you. Yeah it is an odd combo, which leads to a rather pinkish color, but hey give them an "A" for being unique
Smincke's alizarine crimson, PR83:1, is gorgeous, but with important lightfast issues, as all those which share this pigment. Some brands that use PR177 claim to be lightfast, but I am not sure. Do you have any information about it? Thank you
I personally haven't tested PR177, but I know PR83 is fugitive for sure.
PR 177 is Anthraquinone Red. Although the paint companies list its lightfast rating as 'good or 'excellent', Kimberley Crick says, _"Many companies have changed their paints to be called "Alizarin Permanent" when they switched the pigment ingredient to a similar, slightly more stable red such as PR264 or PR177 mixtures. I like Winsor and Newton's PV19 and PR206 combo because of its superior lightfastness . Be aware that the more common replacement - PR177 - is still prone to fading in it's diluted range but has a more stable masstone than PR83 had.The original PR83 pigment, by popular demand, is still offered by many brands though it is often appropriately labeled as fugitive LFIII to IV at this point."_ End of quote
@@watercolorwanderingwithk Hi, Kori. For more info on PR177 see my reply here to Maria's comment.
Thank you very much
@@mariarecuencocanas3653 Glad it helped! 😊
When I was a watercolor beginner I didn’t know a thing about pigments. I purchased Daniel Smith’s permanent alizarin crimson (PR177, PV19, PR149). I was unhappy because it’s a bit murky. It’s not a clean red and when I mixed it with blue to make purple it was awful! Once I learned about pigments I understood why I couldn’t make purple with the permanent alizarin crimson. I’d be interested in lemon yellow. I have two potters/potter’s pink but rarely use them.
Yea knowing your pigments really does matter!
Thank you for comparing brands of same color! I believe this is one of the most helpful videos ❤
Glad it was helpful!
Hey! I have watched your vids on your other channel for awhile now. Your watercolor pencil comparison videos really helped me to narrow down which set I wanted to try. I'm excited to see your watercolor videos too! 🙏☺️
(Added upon edit...) Do you have the Daniel Smith Alizarin Crimson (single fugitive pigment PR83) or Permanent Alizarin Crimson (multi pigment mix of PR 177, PV 19, PR 149)?
Glad you like them! Mine is Permanent Alazarin -- I never purchased the fugitive color after seeing a few videos on PR83
Thank you for this video. In 2008 the only 2 good quality brands in South Africa was W&N (only in 5ml white tubes & pans) & Daler Rowney in 15ml tubes. I bought many of them in as they were the only artist quality available. Interesting that both brands of my AC are PR83.
No problem at all
The Grumbacher Academy is the only true Alizarin Crimson (PR83); although the Sennelier blend contains some PR83. The others are hues.
Yes, like I said in the beginning I used combinations of names.
The Daler Rowney PR176 looks very similar to Van Gogh Carmine (also PR176). A deep red in masstone and more pinkish when diluted.
I wish I had the VanGogh
I love my Daniel Smith Alizarin Crimson PR 83, not sure why yours is PR177…..new batch??
Not too new, but I was using permanent alizarin crimson (they have alizarin and a permanent one).
Your DS is a true Alizarin Crimson, not a hue. The DS Permanent Alizarin Crimson is a hue. True Alizarin Crimson is a beautiful color but fugitive (fades rapidly over time), which is why it is no longer commonly used by most professional artists.
It’s wild how different they all are. I like the Grumbacher, Daler Rowney and both the W&N versions. The DS is pretty but way too red. It’s a shame that PR83 fades so quickly or it’d be hands down my favourite cool red.
Yea fugitive colors ruin all of the fun
PR83 as is used in the Grumbacher is the true, original Alizarin Crimson pigment.
It is not lightfast and fades radically. That is why so many of these do not use PR 83 but lightfast replacement mixes.
Yes it is fugitive. But still pretty lol
I would very much like to see these colors in m Graham because I'm very interested in getting those paints. If you have any of these beautiful colors that you have tested in that brand could you please do a video on it. I know that it is not a preferred paint for most people because of the drying issues but I live in Phoenix and I have an extremely well climate controlled house so I have found no issue with honey watercolor paints. Before I jump into that brand I would really like to see the color results.
Sadly, I don't have a ton of M Graham tubes and can't afford to buy them just for comparisons. I may see if anyone has quarter pans they can make for me to buy off of them.
This is weird...I just bought a holbien rose madder and it's pr83...?
So you have to remember the name only means so much. Pigments are the primary resource, that said PR83 is a fugitive color and while they make their Alizarin Crimson with PR83 (Holbein), their Permanent Alizarin Crimson uses a different combo to avoid being fugitive.
I have been purchasing Windsor Newton professional but your series is turning me to Dahmer Rodney or Daniel Smith in all the colors not just this one.
Yea its fun to see how other brands stack up against our usual go to ones eh